Fenn msg, 3 Dec 13

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  1. bob:
    thought i would revisit this thread. I asked Stephanie if she visited the Draper while at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, sadly she did not.
    December 2013

    She didn’t go to the Draper? Well, she really didn’t have to – all she has to do is read about Mrs Draper…………….A very interesting lady for many reasons. She was a dog breeder – which is important – and she went to Africa and took beautiful photos there. She had a great ranch and so much more……………..

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    • inthechaseto- learning about Nancy Draper is educational but the goal here is to take the chest and go in peace. If Stephanie would have visited the Draper that is exactly what she would have done. Well, had she understood the significance of where she was. And in addition, walked right past the first two clues and realized the other seven would soon follow.

      who’s side are you on anyway?

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      • I’m on the side of whoever finds it……..and most certainly on your side. What you just said makes perfect sense. I wish only the best for you. I just wish this hunt would end.

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        • inthechaseto- thank you!
          its over for me, and could be for you as well…tour the Draper experience take the chest and go in peace. its that easy.

          i can meet you there.

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          • You see Bob – I think Mz Draper is in the chase. He used her towards the end. Am I done? Perhaps…….At least this year I am stuck in TX ……but next year I would like one more trip to my spot.
            There is one more thing I want to check out.

            I know- you know how that goes. I have to check out the other X.

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          • inthechaseto- see my heels? im walking away from you. you are talking in circles like the others.

            but hey i’ll post photos of me and the redneck with 8 kids at the Draper as soon as I get them.

            gimmie a while.

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  2. E*:
    ARGUS33 – Of course if you’re Beowulf,…and you were buried in Sweden,…that would be aka. a “Barrow” or a “Tumulus”.

    I have been following some subjects that took me to this yesterday. I was suprised to see how similar it was to Mexican and South American pyramids. Interesting to think of the possible connections.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etowah_Indian_Mounds

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  3. JC1117:
    That’s weird stuff, Deb and Inthechaseto.So…million dollar question…does “The Shadow” know?Sounds like the Shaman knows.

    discovermagazine.com/2012/may/11-decoding-ancient-secrets-of-white-shaman

    It’s interesting that some of the myths still exist in some cultures…like the Huichol people.I love their art.I don’t own any, yet.I think a small, beaded frog or an owl would be really cool or maybe even a mask.

    www.bing.com/images/search?q=huichol%20mask&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=huichol%20mask&sc=2-12&sp=-1&sk=#a

    JC and Deb –

    Here is my 2 cents on who I think the shadow is talking about – makes sense to me as he is being asked the question by a British child.

    He is saying “C.P. Snow”

    Charles Percy Snow, Baron Snow Kt., CBE (15 October 1905 – 1 July 1980), was an English physical chemist and novelist who also served in several important positions in the British Civil Service and briefly in the UK government.[1] He is best known for his series of novels known collectively as Strangers and Brothers, and for The Two Cultures, a 1959 lecture in which he laments the gulf between scientists and “literary intellectuals”.[2]

    This lead me to the web site called “The Edge”

    To arrive at the edge of the world’s knowledge, seek out the most complex and sophisticated minds, put them in a room together, and have them ask each other the questions they are asking themselves.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._P._Snow

    edge.org/conversation/the-emerging

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  4. inthechaseto:
    Deb –

    Hair? – the things we learn here are really quite amazing.

    We are still in Yuma and it’s warmer than last week – which one morning our pipes froze.

    I was wondering why you think the site is referring to a Shaman.

    Click on the frog…lol

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    • Yes there seems to be many Fs carved into trees in all the search areas. I really dont think the blaze is carved into a tree, but I am probably wrong. LOL

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      • Hi Deb –

        I just went back and re-read your solve and it is so good and so very well thought out. I especially like Frog Rock don’t you?

        I still don’t know what to think about the WWWH website. I wish I knew if FF really did it – somehow I don’t think so. The Indian flute music could fit many spots. There is a full moon party in which they play the flute in the dark – high atop Chimney Rock – flashlight needed. We have done that trip and it was hauntingly beautiful.

        As of late – FF has really been coming out with the clues.

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        • The frog rock has special meaning to me. Thats why I hoped it was right. 🙂

          I dont know whose website it is, but its fun to watch . The symbolism of it all is interesting.
          I am enjoying it all still.

          How are you doing Into? What kind of weather are you seeing now? Still dry and chilly here. We sure could use some moisture.

          Did you know that in the Dine culture, hair represents rain? Thats why they didnt cut their hair. 🙂

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          • Deb –

            Hair? – the things we learn here are really quite amazing.

            We are still in Yuma and it’s warmer than last week – which one morning our pipes froze.

            I was wondering why you think the site is referring to a Shaman.

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      • Back when the search started there weren’t as many F’s. After a few comments like that and the Stephan the Pirate blaze followed by the joke by Fenn with those F’s carved in his trees caused many people to “contaminate” the search sites with F’s.

        I agree, very low probability of an F carved in a tree. Maybe a rock, but I think the blaze will be something a little more unique and obvious. Much more obvious.

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        • Wolf –

          I can only imagine how excited you were when you found those F’s. To me, they look older than the chase – perhaps Forrest placed them there when he was younger – possibly a teenager?

          I often wonder if the blaze is even at, or near the actual treasure site – or something else entirely.

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    • deb – Did you mean to post your comment on the page containing Forrest’s Scrapbook Fifty Two?:

      dalneitzel.com/2013/12/03/scrapbook-fifty-two/

      “Some fireside researchers have ganged together on the blogs hoping to find flaws in my character that will miraculously lead them to the treasure. It is interesting also, that crazies continue to surface. I have emails from both police and doctors suggesting that I stay alert. Being Forrest Fenn is getting harder all the time, but it will continue to be fun as long as I have a tree to hide behind, maybe a tree with an f carved in its trunk. ff”

      Nice tree. 🙂

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  5. His name is Forrest. If he were to stand behind a tree, would you be able to see the Forrest through the trees? Perhaps he is reminding us to stop over thinking everything.

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  6. Bob:
    Inthechaseto- lol, not buying it… Fireplaces are always on the ground floor as heat rises, it’s called a log splitter, not wood splitter, 15 times handled? No. LOL who you trying to imitate?

    Here in Florida I have seen fireplaces on 2nd and up floors.

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  7. Bob:
    Thanks Stephanie!
    And oh, please close the door you let the Woody back in….

    Now Woody, Woody don’t look at me like that! I’m your old army buddy Woody remember?it’s me Woody, Ham Soup!
    Now Woody put the gun down, let’s talk about this OK?
    Please Woody?

    Bob Your lucky the electricity went out not just once but twice. We have lots of snow . Oh but you guys in Florida don’t know about that. Dreaming about a white christmas are ya . Just come to kaispell Montana . And please take it home with you we have enough. Oh shucks my bullets got wet. LOL I want to go there where it’s 70 degrees and I can use my metal detector. Oh only 65 degrees what a shame. Well I guess it will give me enough time to figure out where the treasure is. The capital letters in Forrest’s writings may have a special meaning but darned if I know what it is. Mike came up with the most logical solution that I’ve heard . Maybe a first capitol like Espanola. Maybe something to do with the spanish. who knows . A great place to go see low rider cars. I think they originated from there. I spent lots of time there and there are many treasure stories that are from around that area.

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    • Woody- speaking of old gold tales I think now is a good time to bring this up although I hesitate somewhat but oh we’ll here goes its winter and time to tell fireside stories…. Among all the searchers who has read Michael Tellinger’s “Slave Species of God”?

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    • Just popping in as I need my Chase fix and the forum and blogs are slow and this comment really struck a chord with me. I love Deb’s analogy of why he would do that whether he did it for that reason or not. I love it.

      I’ve thought it was to make us think about capitals in the poem meaning something. I’ve thought there are 9 capital letters along the left side and then the B in Brown. So can you turn those capital letters into numbers so they mean something? I know there are other capitals like the letter I, so maybe you don’t ever use the letter B or you don’t count the letter I. Just one thing I had looked into, but couldn’t get anything to work.

      Hi Mike 😉

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      • Steph By studying the way a person writes things and recognizing the way they write . Is like an artist. Soon you recognize the way they write is like there signature.

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      • Hi Stephanie! I been dying to ask you a question… Have you been to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center of the West in Cody, WY and if so did you tour the Draper museum of natural history and get a passport with all the stamps and play all the touchscreen games and quizzes? In other words the entire Draper experience?
        Thanks.

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        • I spent a great deal of time at the Buffalo Bill Museum. I really wanted to go into the library there, because there’s a recording in there by Forrest and I’d like to hear it. I don’t believe it’s about the chase, but no one I know of has heard it. There’s also a recording that’s supposed to sort of be like a time capsule that can’t be listened to till a date in the future. I don’t know who the speaker is on it. I forget the date, but I’d love to know what’s on that. Not the Draper.

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          • Thanks Stephanie!
            And oh, please close the door you let the Woody back in….

            Now Woody, Woody don’t look at me like that! I’m your old army buddy Woody remember?it’s me Woody, Ham Soup!
            Now Woody put the gun down, let’s talk about this OK?
            Please Woody?

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        • thought i would revisit this thread. I asked Stephanie if she visited the Draper while at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, sadly she did not.
          December 2013

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      • Hi Stephanie, glad to see you posting here.They really are a great group of people. There is so much we can all learn from one another. 🙂

        I enjoy hearing other peoples ideas. You have been so many places, I am thinking about how much you must have learned.

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      • Hi Stephanie, glad to have you here. That capital idea is great. You might be onto something. I wonder if the pop caps is a hint to this, and did you know that Espanola (mentioned in Teachers with Ropes) was the first capitol city in North America?

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  8. Bob:
    Inthechaseto- lol, not buying it… Fireplaces are always on the ground floor as heat rises, it’s called a log splitter, not wood splitter, 15 times handled? No. LOL who you trying to imitate?

    Hi Bob,
    i have a walkout basement. 1st floor?
    above is rest of a single story house. 2nd floor?
    my fireplace is above the basement, near walkout small deck,
    it is an insert fireplace in which i burn wood, not at ground level, as this part of house is 6′ to 9′ off the ground.

    This Old House has a guy from NJ with 2 fireplaces on different floors asking how to fix a smoke problem.

    What about all those English Castles with upto 60 smokestake’s, they all were not ground level or main level fireplaces?

    Why all fireplaces always on the ground?

    🙂
    TGC&CS

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  9. Bob:
    Inthechaseto- lol, not buying it… Fireplaces are always on the ground floor as heat rises, it’s called a log splitter, not wood splitter, 15 times handled? No. LOL who you trying to imitate?

    You are so cool Bob – but you don’t have a clue as to where it is. I wish you did.
    My very best wishes for a very Merry Christmas for you.

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  10. azuredeb:
    No Chris that doesnt look like a juniper,its a pine. Unless you mean the dead trees?

    Thanks deb. I don’t know a lot about trees but I know more now that I am reading about and looking at junipers and pines. In this pic, the one on the right is a very large pine, just like the one in my previous pic and right near it in that area actually. The juniper on the left has certain similarities in appearance because it is a conifer type like the pine but at the same time I can see how they are clearly different also.

    The only types of trees I can think of off the top of my head mentioned in TTOTC are juniper and pine, pine tree being mentioned with eating the pie behind it, also pine needles mentioned in lewis and clark.

    If so, that is very interesting because they are both conifer type and makes it more likely to me that the chest Is hidden behind/near one or the other.

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  11. azuredeb:
    Ok well that wasnt my intention Buddy, I was simply sharing a bit of information for anyone who isnt familiar with pinion trees.

    I have my own thoughts on the page and have pointed out before here that its alligator juniper he is referring to.

    By the way, I dont recall you posting before so how could I possibly be targeting you for anything?

    Hey Deb I agree – who the heck is Buddy – are we missing something here? Doubt it.

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    • No Chris that doesnt look like a juniper, its a pine. Unless you mean the dead trees? If so I didnt really look close enough. The bark on an alligator juniper has cracks in it that make it resemble an alligators hide.

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        • Here’s the deal – when we when out in the forest and chopped down trees for our fire place – as our fireplace was on the second story of our home – and we had to put it thru the wood splitter – we had handled that particular piece of wood fifteen times before it hit the actual fire place. Kept us in pretty good shape.

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          • Inthechaseto- lol, not buying it… Fireplaces are always on the ground floor as heat rises, it’s called a log splitter, not wood splitter, 15 times handled? No. LOL who you trying to imitate?

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      • Yes, juniper is not an ideal firewood for indoors, but it is sometimes used. Typically it’s used as a starter kindling, with denser hardwoods like oak and maple thrown on.

        But, as Forrest said on p. unmarked-15, “near the end of my seventy-ninth year”, it could be a beautiful summer evening and he’s sitting on his patio with a juniper fire blazing and crackling in his chiminea or kiva fireplace, perhaps with pen and paper in hand, or with his laptop, remembering his childhood.

        I think there are other things in the writing on this page that may be more telling.

        SYand42lbsHeavier,
        Halogetter

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          • Why, thank you. Although for Xmas, you should tell where it is.

            Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill,
            Jennifer Juniper, sitting very still.
            Is she sleeping ? I don’t think so.
            Is she breathing ? Yes, very low.
            Whatcha doing, Jennifer, my love ?
            Donovan

            Halogetter

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  12. Mike:
    I don’t know if anyone noticed, but about a week ago I had up a header depicting Forrest (Gump) behind a tree. I have believed for awhile that the treasure will be found behind a tree, so when Forrest joked about spending the winter behind a tree in this message it was a confirmation for me.

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    • A juniper tree. He goes way out of his way to say juniper fire (the only blaze he actually mentions). The most common firewood in NM is pine or even pinon. Third would be juniper, but even that would be called cedar.

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      • Sad about the pinion trees. For those who
        dont know it our pinion trees, they have been hugely impacted by our droughts. The lack of moisture compounded by the bark beetle infestations which happens because of drought has killed most of the pinion trees. The pinion tree grows very slowly. Rarely would you see pinion wood as firewood until this. 🙁

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        • Deb,
          Whenever I post anything on any blog you jump in right behind me and push the discussion in some other direction. I am not talking about bark beetles or droughts.
          Page 15 TTOTC why is it the only page with large type? And why does he say juniper fire? He said once that if he were 10 again and heard about the chase he would look under every bush in America. A juniper tree looks like a bush. Now Mike says he thinks its behind a tree. I agree. Love your comments Deb, but you need to quit thinking I am a conspiracy theorist.

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          • Ok well that wasnt my intention Buddy, I was simply sharing a bit of information for anyone who isnt familiar with pinion trees.

            I have my own thoughts on the page and have pointed out before here that its alligator juniper he is referring to.

            By the way, I dont recall you posting before so how could I possibly be targeting you for anything?

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          • Buddy your first post on the juniper mentioned nothing about font size. How were we supposed to know what your point was?

            When I research things I tend to look at the subject and learn what I can about it. I am a gardener so the info on the pinion was something I could add that others may not be familiar with.

            If you had pointed out the font I would have commented on it.

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      • Buddy –

        Juniper is usually not used for an indoor fire as it pops – I have used it but it smokes a lot too – not my favorite wood. I think – since it is not used in-doors for fire wood – he might be referring to wood or rather trees, being harvested in the area. This is astute of you to pick up on this. I think it’s very important to look at things that are wrong in the book. It’s usually a clue.

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  13. I’ve tried to avoid the 500′ issue for the most part, but I’d like to comment on these two recent responses from Forrest:

    “Searchers continue to figure the first two clues and others arrive there and don’t understand the significance of where they are.”

    “Those who have solved the first two clues are not aware that they did,”

    These two pieces work together:
    “Searchers continue to figure the first 2 clues” and “…are not aware that they did.”

    So if Forrest has input from searchers through email, or through posts, and they are stating how they “figured” or “solved” the first two clues, and presumably may have indicated other clue solutions or not after that, it certainly is interesting that Forrest states that the searchers are not aware they did. The “not aware” issue has been discussed before, but it still is unresolved to me.

    The second part of the second statement, “…others arrive there and don’t understand the significance of where they are” is more logical. “Others”, meaning other than searchers, arrive at a location that could potentially be known by the first two clues. But the others are not searchers and they are arriving there for other reasons- they are just traveling through, or it’s a place that others visit at least fairly frequently for any variety of reasons (not remote, as noted in this thread?). But the use of the words “arrive there” suggest that there’s a place to stop for some particular reason, rather than just passing by or randomly stopping. And any non-searcher-other would not suspect the poem-related significance of the place, of course, and will not stumble upon the TC.

    So if searchers told Forrest about their first two clue solutions, which they consciously and deliberately solved and stated, then why specifically does Forrest continue to state that they are “not aware” that they solved them? I’ve dwelled on the logic of this, and how Forrest’s statement could be correct, even if it sounds counter-intuitive.

    Perhaps the searchers solved the first two clues with the correct words or concepts but did not understand them or connect them properly in the greater context of the solution. Somehow the 2 clue solutions given are correct, but the searchers have the wrong interpretation of them.

    Forrest may be saying that they solved the first 2 clues but didn’t know that they did because the other clue solutions given by the searchers show Forrest that they are misinterpreting their own correct solutions.

    And here’s a bizarre analogy:

    Person 1 Question: “Do you have any idea what my husband does to me?”
    Person 2 Answer: “Beats me.”
    Person 1 Response: “You’re right!”

    Person 2 didn’t know that they answered correctly. It’s almost like the “Who’s on first” routine. So how could this twist be applied to what Forrest is saying?

    So this statement is strange but presumably true:
    “Searchers continue to figure the first 2 clues” and “…are not aware that they did.”

    And there could still be another consideration regarding how searchers can solve 2 clues and not be aware they did…

    SYand42lbsHeavier,
    Halogetter

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    • My understanding for what it’s worth:
      Searchers continue to figure the first 2 clues means they are trying to solve them. He doesn’t specifically say that they are correct, just that they are figuring, as in trying to figure them out. FF is aware that some searchers have correctly figured out the first two clues, but those who did are not aware of who they are because Fenn has not in any way confirmed to them that they are correct. I think that is what he is saying with the “not aware” statements.

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    • i believe and continue to believe that i have the right place, i have solved WWH

      other people have been there because some of the things fit, but i don’t think anyone has figured out the clue that actually names the place, that is why they are not sure

      saying that people ‘arrive there’ makes a lot of sense to me because the area and the whole path is relatively small, if you know what WWH is, the whole place is right there, you are pretty much there in the place already

      a lot of people have been there i am sure, and like f says they don’t understand the significance

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      • Good to see you Chris. I found one word in the book that took me to my spot. Heres something that put me even closer. The picture that is engraved in the tree from the beginning of the chase this year, is not a “F”.

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          • Yes… some thinking that it was the blaze. ff If I recall had Dal post 2 pictures. The one picture posted (with the so called running man) is not an F. Every wondered why he uses lower case ff at the end of his messages since the chase started? I don’t think he was lazy to hit the shift key. Just thinking may not mean anything to some. I just looked at things in a twisted kind of way.

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  14. azuredeb:
    Woah Bob, does feeling like you understand really equate to gloating to you?
    Is everyone supposed to sit on that they maybe are starting to understand, looking at one another guessing if your neighbor has caught on too?

    Sorry Deb, a-team group gloat retracted.

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  15. What do any of you make of this statement made by ff
    “Searchers continue to figure the first two clues and others arrive there and don’t understand the significance of where they are. f”
    Its on Dals site ‘Forrest gets crazy mail’

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  16. There are so many possibilities thats its hard to say exactly what is involved. 🙁

    I wonder how we are to decide? So many places fit the poem.

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  17. Mike:
    Call me crazy, but I think pie = treasure

    Mike,

    You are crazy.

    pie is just a subtle hint to a location that will eventually lead you to the treasure. But what do I know, I’m just a numbers person and pie is something you eat.

    ck

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  18. I don’t know if anyone noticed, but about a week ago I had up a header depicting Forrest (Gump) behind a tree. I have believed for awhile that the treasure will be found behind a tree, so when Forrest joked about spending the winter behind a tree in this message it was a confirmation for me.

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    • Mike, I don’t know about the tree but there is a definite connection to Forrest Gump. I’ve posted this before so i will throw it out there again for consideration. Think about the parallels between Fenn and Gump. Two southern boys named Forrest who struggled in school, went to Vietnam in 1968, returned as decorated heroes, then entered a business they knew nothing about and became successful and wealthy. For Gump, it was shrimp, for Fenn it was art. One of the funniest scenes in the movie is when Gump goes to the White House as a member of the All American Football team. He says, “The best part about goin’ to the White House was, they had all the food and drink that you wanted … I must have had me 15 Dr Peppers.” President Kennedy asks him how he feels and he replies, “I gotta pee!”

      Fenn writing about the early days of his gallery says, “We just had to forego a few luxuries like Dr. Peppers and downtown movies.”

      I believe the connection/clue is to the movie roles of Tom Hanks:
      Tom Hanks plays James Lovell and covers the earth with his thumb.
      Tom Hanks plays the lead character in Philadelphia Story. FF covers Philadelphia with his thumb.

      Tom Hanks plays Robert Langdon, treasure hunting symbologist, in movies based on Dan Brown’s novels. Dan Brown’s novels may be the home of Brown. After all, he (FF) did borrow from another story teller, Norman Rockwell.

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      • Yes Jack, I remember you making the Tom Hanks connections, and Forrest Gump seems to be the strongest. Imagine what Forrest Fenn thought when he first watched that movie. He has more in common with Forrest Gump than he does Holden Caulfied of Catcher in the Rye (much smarter though– your welcome, Forrest). I have watched that movie twice recently. Hobnobbing with celebrites and politicians is another similarity.

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