Blog Buzz

Dear fellow searchers,

As you mingle amongst the blogs and find anything of interest that you think would be a good topic for discussion, please reply here with a link. I will then add it in the sidebar under “Blog Buzz”.

Thanks.

Mike

983 thoughts on “Blog Buzz

  1. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur -.Just a reminder to you and everyone else, that there was a William Marvin Fenn Sr. and a William Marvin Fenn Jr.:

    www.findagrave.com/memorial/154120572

    But tarry scant with Marv-el gaze????

    I am always looking for that special rock they may have enjoyed sitting on while fly fishing. I found such a rock in the vicinity of where I took this picture on the Ghost Road next to the Madison:

    photos.app.goo.gl/tck8pc7roOoHSDc82

    I named it, Lisa’s Scant, and sent a picture of it to Forrest in August, 2013.

    Lisa, I agree with you… it’s important to find the right marvelous gaze that forrest and skippy enjoyed fishing together, and sat on a rock for lunch enjoying quiet companionship and laughter as brothers do. I’ve been to marvelous gazes that fit the poem but still uncertain if it may be in Colorado or Wyoming in a special Place I’ve not thought about.

    I enjoy your interaction Lisa. Thanks.

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    • Lisa, your ideas about fish barriers/weirs may be an important notion in the poem. However the barrier at cabin creek wasn’t built until 2015, At least five years after Forrest finished riding with Home. Have you considered other possible fish barriers in the area? I had done some research years ago and found one while hiking the the middle Fork of the Gallatin, another funded by Ted Turner on Cherry Creek – the west slope cutthroat initiative. You’re theiry makes sense that Forrest could have worked on one prior to 2010 to prohibit the large browns and rainbows near West Yellowstone from swimming upstream into the headwater feeders. I’m at a loss figuring out the location ff was involved with. I located one theoretical possibility in New Mexico for fish ladder. Do you have any other thoughts about fish barriers in Gallatin national forest? I’m happy to share any Information I’ve researched with you as well.
      Thx, anna

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      • Anna – While doing research via Craig Matthews’s fly fishing guiding resources for the Madison River and the West.Yellowstone areas, back in March, 2013, I found this foundation that had a project in the works, since early 2010, to put a fish barrier on Cabin Creek:

        madisonriverfoundation.org/mrf-projects

        The purpose was to prevent the upstream migration from the Madison of the Rainbow trout during spawning. I remember sending emails to Forrest then, with jokes about Romeo Rainbow trout trying to spawn with Juliet Cutthroat trout to make little Cutbows, which the Madison Foundation most certainly wanted to prevent with their fish barrier. It was all about restoring the native population of Westslope Cutthroat trout. That fish barrier project did not complete construction until 2015. The end of Forrest’s Rainbow was ever drawing nigh…

        And on the same site back then, I found a trout fish hatchery on the privately owned Sun Ranch along the Madison, where there also used to be a Native American medicine wheel.

        And a removal of upstream Rainbow trout was being planned back then on Soap Creek, which is a tributary of the West Fork of the Madison. That is just above the West Fork.Campground, where Forrest’s.parents parked their Airstream in Cameron, MT.

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  2. Lis Cesari:
    Bur – WOW! That sounds like way too much fun! Why did you rent a car? You could have easily stopped here in Sun Valley and borrowed my Ferrari and gone over 200 miles an hour:

    500px.com/photo/223122065

    Lisa- if I had known you then it would have been nice to take it for a spin. You know that Mustang was not a good choice for searching YNP. The car did not have very much ground clearance and I had to be careful at pull offs along the roadways. Great for cursing but not for trailblazing. That’s what I get for letting the car rental agent trade my request for a economy car to the Mustang for the same price. He did hit my “need for speed” button. Lol
    Bur

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  3. Lisa Cesari:
    Anna – It is awesome that you camped at the Taylor Fork and on Lightning Creek with your family in the 60s!

    And thank you for that wonderful list of all the stars and what they’re doing for conservation. It warmed my heart. But not the one on Sandy’s property, now owned by the GVLT, on Lightning Creek at The Trapper’s Cabin Ranch. That one is likely covered in snow by now…

    Lisa, Forrest mentions being an environmentalist in ttotc. I believe he has quietly conserved wild lands, sacred waters, rewilded and replanted, placed historic buildings on the natl register, worked with public land conservation for all to enjoy, and perhaps more importantly has played the role of drawing many friends together to do the same. As the stars of his poem dance.. i admire ff more and more.

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    • Anna – As do I. Your comment was beautiful. Maybe Forrest will come over here to Mike’s and read it someday.

      I will always love this story, and Forrest’s mention of the Eight-Y acres of trees. And the double-bitted axe I think he used on a similar acreage to fashion the blaze on a similarly sized hillside above my spot. Cue the picture of him doing that with the bird nesting on the Crescent Moon from TTOTC:

      www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/treasures-galore

      I like the part about 20 miles away also..,

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      • Anna – Thinking of the Starry Sky in the Crescent Moon picture. Here is that quote I like:

        “If some of my friends think I’m wrong to be a distant dreamer, vaguely disinterested in many of life’s modern habits, they could be correct. But “wrong” is one of those concepts that depends on witnesses and that’s why I’m always right when I’m alone in the mountains. I’ll happily share my national forests with you, but please try to stay at least twenty miles away.”

        I believe the most frequently visited national forests in YNP are about 25 to 30 miles from my spot.

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  4. JC1117:
    Hello,Bur.

    I just wanted to let you know that somehow you’ve left quite an impression on my wife.

    She’s always saying (moaning?) your name.

    …especially in the Winter…and in the Summer when the AC is on.

    “BURRRRRR!” she says.

    Yes JC, I seem to have that effect on women. Lol.
    I once wrote Bob Haworth asking him about Forrest’s input in the songs he wrote about TTOTC. He gave me some line changes Forrest made from some of lines he wrote, and in his reply said “Bur are you cold?” Actually I got that name from friends after high school during my biker days.

    Well thank your wife for calling my name all the time.
    Bur

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  5. Fellow searchers,

    The only reason I’m posting so much now here it that [Bob] will be back soon and I won’t be able to get a word in edgewise. Wait if I’m “wise” it ( the blaze) is on the “edge”. Now I’m in trouble what edge is not facing North, South, East, or West.

    Well I guess it’s time to go back to the lounge and fined Jake’s couch. Jake does your couch come with a phychiatrist? I think this chase is getting to me.
    Bur

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    • Oh wait Bur –

      I’ll tell you what my new idea of the “blaze” is…..and yes, it’s on the edge of my table……..about to fall off…….it’s your paper work ….you know….the paper you look quickly down at. Oh yes, and mine is white….

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      • Inthechase- now you have done it. Now I have to figure out how you got my paperwork on your table………wait I just found my paperwork, you must have Bob’s. Does it have a bunch of stick figures walking into the Buffalo Bill Center of the West? And on the first page does it say I think I’ll start my first search in Toledo Ohio. If yes, then yep that’s Bob’s paperwork.

        Inthechase – weren’t you suppose to whisper that in my ear, now everybody knows what on you table.
        Speaking of table, what’s for dinner? I’m always looking for a good home cooked meal. Do you deliver?

        Ok, now I have to figure out your hint unless your willing to explain in “simple words” for me.
        Bur

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    • Bur,
      I have at least 2 psychiatrists in my head that keep me in check.

      Over a year ago about my solve, I thought the word that is key was “nigh”.
      I explained to dal that “nigh” was “North Intrastate Gallatin Highway”.

      Dal replied:
      “NIGH has never been a contender for key word for me…
      But I can see why you selected it..
      Is the Gallatin highway really called North Intrastate Gallatin Highway?
      I’ve never heard that before and my maps don’t label it like that…so it’s news to me…”

      My point to him was that I never selected that word as the word that is key. I did not look for any words in the poem to be a possible key word.

      I was just blindly going threw the clues & got stuck at “From there it’s no place for the meek”.
      From where?
      From where you put in below the home of Brown.
      I was floating in the Madison coming from there & stopped at the border of YNP where one side allows trapping & hunting but the other is a no go.

      Bottom line is, I didn’t choose it like most searchers do. It was there in front of me about 1K’ away.

      I wasn’t looking at the poem & thinking, where is that word that is key in there?

      Yes, Gallatin Highway is also Gallatin Gateway which is an intrastate highway & you will be heading north.

      Getting back to “wise” as being the word that is key or the blaze seeing it would help you tremendously, considering you should know it before you see it.

      On the same solve that I have used for the last 1.9 years, I never really thought about he blaze much.

      Didn’t really think about what it should look like except it should be rock & last for maybe 10K years.

      Maybe A big F carved into it & maybe a galaxy with stars petroglyph (The end is ever DRAWING nigh).

      When I finally saw a pic on the internet (the only pics) of my spot by a professional photographer, I called him & asked questions. He told me he was unable to get into the canyon where the cascades were & would be nearly impossible cause the surrounding cliffs. He took the pics from above.

      I have made a few trips & many hikes to this area & finally got to the pool where I think the treasure is & came away empty handed. The weird thing was when I noticed an owl shaped silhouette rock above the pool last Christmas while viewing video from Septembers trip for the 50th + time.

      Here it is. So the poem takes you to a spot after following all the clues & in this case for me a bathing spot like I have for my WWWH in the Firehole next to Ojo Caliente & I never see the owl silhouette rock outcropping until later.

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd3BBT6jGm8

      I am gonna need a lot of psychiatric help after all the coincidences. There’s more I have not listed seeing this post is long enough & maybe you can talk about yours.

      You guys are not alone.

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      • Jake – You were floating down the Madison River in YNP? Shame on you! This is why I said Forrest put in below YNP, the home of Brown bears, at Baker’s Hole:

        “All park rivers are closed to boating except for the section of the Lewis River
        between Lewis Lake and
        Shoshone Lake, where
        only non-motorized boating
        is permitted. Float tubes
        are considered non-motorized boats and
        subject to the same regulations.”

        Unless you were just floating along without a tube….

        And your bathing pool is beautiful. Thank you for sharing that video and your thoughts.

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          • Jake – Yes, I did, at 0:28. Awesome!

            But I tend to see Wise blazes, like I did when I looked across the Madison at this fishermen’s day use area, right where the Madison meets Cabin Creek.That trailhead then being a good place to put in below the home of Brown trout (look in the upper right corner behind Bob Jacklin for the Owl Rock profile at 5:48 in the video at the bottom of the site);

            jacklinsflyshop.com/

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          • Jake,

            I once had a solve with a owl in it. (Hopefully picture posted here of the street view I just found.) There was still some snow on the ground then, and after I climb up to the top to check the boulders below and around the owl head I proceeded back down. I had only one hiking stick and missed a put down spot and slid more then half way down that embankment. Got up stunned and a little scrapped up from the small rocks sticking out of the ground but nothing broken. So lesson learned I think.

            See the omega tunnel below.
            Bur

            (Sorry Jake photo won’t post, said the file is to big)

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          • Bur,
            You know you shouldn’t be searching with snow on the ground unless you have skis or a snowboard.

            My solves didn’t have an owl in the mix at any point in the chair looking at the screen.

            Still didn’t have an owl even with BOTG & thought the blaze may be a rock with an “F” scared into it or maybe a lighting bolt.

            Just like “nigh” was never considered as a word that is key to me. This meaning of the word “nigh” was conjured up by my imagination after having BOTG at the end of this clue: “From there it’s no place for the meek,”.

            The owl in the video was only realized by me 3 months later by watching the video over & over after having BOTG.

            Searched that area thoroughly but makes me wonder if “wise” could be the word that is key.
            Tight focus like owls eyes.
            Or
            “nigh” North Intrastate Gallatin Highway.
            Otherwise known as the Gallatin Gateway.
            I think a gateway needs a “key” to get further beyond the gate.

            I’m torn between the 2 for a word that is key & will probably never know if any is correct.

            I do like my chances better though, considering I didn’t choose a word that is key in the poem from sitting in front of my computer.

            The meanings came from BOTG only after being at those places where I was trying to figure out the next clue.

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          • Jake – Check, Check, Check…

            My blazes include two Fs created by FF as clearings on the hillside, the lighting bolt formed by the long ridge that supports Lightning Creek, the Owl Boulder opposite the day use area on the Madison, whose eyes make a tight focus and look quickly down on the Cathedral-like rock.entrance to the Cabin Creek trail:

            youtu.be/LHgFhYoIZFE

            “My church is in the mountains….” ff

            “We shall not cease from exploration
            And the end of all our exploring
            Will be to arrive where we started
            And know the place for the first time.
            Through the unknown, remembered gate
            When the last of earth left to discover
            Is that which was the beginning;”

            – T.S. Eliot, Little Gidding

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          • Jake – I think Forrest was inspired by this Jim Deren quote by Ian Frazier in his fly fishing story:

            “It’s the feeling of being in a state of grace in a magnificent outdoor cathedral.”

            books.google.com/books?id=uzaaYo471dMC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=ian+frazier+and+cathedral&source=bl&ots=N05fTd5vCd&sig=HcA3gJgjoEz10lI22jFHnGQy220&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKiqzt-LvXAhXhyFQKHShGBqgQ6AEIHzAI#v=onepage&q=ian%20frazier%20and%20cathedral&f=false

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      • An owl is wise, but,there’s no way to know before you go. Sounds like a nice spot to bathe.
        Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, god would permit us to be pirates.

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        • Kedar’s Mom – Was that a quote from Forrest about the pirates?

          I like this one, from Forrest’s Flywater article in the West Yellowstone News:

          This book will now occupy a different shelf, closer to my view, for it holds some memories most dear and makes me know that moments such as those are fleet-of-foot indeed, and calls to make them all the more. It is well said, that “God subtracts from the allotted time of man, those hours spent fishing.”

          And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Caddis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place, many of which were knowing you were there, somewhere, waiting for me..

          Bur – Who do you think the “you” is in that article?

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          • Lisa,
            I would say it one who thought him to fish, or one who did a lot of fishing with him. Marvin or Skippy. But I would say “Skippy” because you always look up to your big brother.
            Bur
            Peggy is his longtime love, but she is still alive and not waiting.

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          • Bur -.Just a reminder to you and everyone else, that there was a William Marvin Fenn Sr. and a William Marvin Fenn Jr.:

            www.findagrave.com/memorial/154120572

            But tarry scant with Marv-el gaze????

            I am always looking for that special rock they may have enjoyed sitting on while fly fishing. I found such a rock in the vicinity of where I took this picture on the Ghost Road next to the Madison:

            photos.app.goo.gl/tck8pc7roOoHSDc82

            I named it, Lisa’s Scant, and sent a picture of it to Forrest in August, 2013.

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          • Yes I knew Lisa, but I prefer to call him Skippy. Makes him sound more fun and exciting.

            You know the road that Skippy let Forrest out of car and took off, then finally came back and got him with not a word spoken. Well I rented a Mustang in West Yellowstone and made a trip down to Boulder CO to do a search for someone and on the way I took that Mustang up to 125 mph along that isolated strip. I believe it could have gone faster but I’m not a race car driver.
            Bur

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          • Kedar’s Mom and Bur – I don’t have any of Forrest’s.books, but I found this quote that he added Peggy’s name to that story in TTOTC:

            And at the end of the Flywater chapter, Fenn alludes to going home where Peggy was waiting for him, “I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place, one of which was knowing Peggy was there, somewhere, waiting for me.”

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          • Hi Lisa – If you are participating in the greatest treasure hunt of present day, how come you don’t get the books? I think you are missing out on some very nicely done books that are designed for this hunt. There are also a lot of wonderful stories that folks don’t talk about on the blogs.

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          • Hear Me All – I have been out from the beginning of my participation in The Chase to prove that one can find Forrest’s bronze chest with just the Poem, as he has stated in the past. My current hidey spot is the same one I have always had, since I joined in late February of 2013.

            If I am the lucky searcher to retrieve the bronze chest, my intention is to return it to Forrest in Santa Fe, when I will stop by Collected Works and buy all three Chase-related books, and have Forrest sign them in person.

            It is funny that I received a mailing card yesterday from Collected Works to buy the newest book, so I must be on the mailing list for Forrest’s Friends. That is probably because I sent him a birthday card this past year, as well as in previous years.

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          • Lisa,
            If you only used the poem, how could you possibly come to the conclusion that the treasure is somewhere around West Yellowstone?

            When I realized F’s website and internet had a lot of the stories in his books, you probably don’t need to purchase them to help you with the clues.

            No purchase necessary to find the treasure & that’s one of the reasons I do not think it’s in YNP seeing they charge money for admission.

            But, I think you still need some outside info to help.

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          • Jake – I used the Poem and searches I did on the Internet after seeing Brian Williams on the February 28, 2013 broadcast. Getting on Forrest’s site later only gave me confirmation. Like when I told Forrest I had been researching for a week or two, and had a vision of him heading in a jeep to the mouth of Cabin Creek where those rocks are that mark it, after I saw a picture of it on a website for the Slide Inn.

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          • I figured that you used other info besides the poem Lisa.

            Even though searches say they only used the poem, it’s too late because they have been exposed unless they were only shown the poem by someone but human nature takes over & we all start doing research only to find out you only need the poem.

            We are all tarnished from the beginning.

            On the other hand we can try to throw all the other info out the window & just try & use the poem only to get you closer to the treasure but why not use all the tools in your chest.

            Maybe because all the tools in your chest are not needed to get you closer but only screw the job up more…..

            Too much is just as bad if not worse than not enough.

            I’ll take the middle ground.

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    • Bur – Something very interesting from Dal’s:

      randawg -.Excellent find!

      So Y is it that I must go:

      Y is the Greek letter Upsilon:

      Upsilon is known as Pythagoras’ letter, or the Samian letter, because Pythagoras used it as an emblem of the path of virtue or vice.[8] As the Roman writer Persius wrote in Satire III:

      and the letter which spreads out into Pythagorean branches has pointed out to you the steep path which rises on the right.[9]

      Lactantius, an early Christian author (ca. 240 – ca. 320), refers to this:

      For they say that the course of human life resembles the letter Y, because every one of men, when he has reached the threshold of early youth, and has arrived at the place “where the way divides itself into two parts,” is in doubt, and hesitates, and does not know to which side he should rather turn himself.

      My steep path rises to the right, after I cross my Double Omega Island:

      The answers I already know,
      I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak.

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      • randawg on November 10, 2017 at 9:13 pm said:
        I used Bing Translator to translate the poem to Greek, and the only part that had dual omegas was: “I already know” which translates to: “??????? ???”.

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          • Lisa,

            The double omegas that are in the vicinity of the end of my solve kind of stand out indeed. At first it didn’t sink in what they were because it was still dark when I got to “no paddle up your creek” and waited there till the dawn broke so I could proceed up the tangent trail. I just didn’t want to continue on and come face to face with one of gods creatures in the middle of nowhere with only one way out. Anyway I realized those double omegas as I came back to the main trail.

            Talking about gods creatures, when my son was young (12 ish) we took a weekend to ride dirt bikes out at a place called Crooms. Early one morning we took a walk though the woods before everyone was up and the noise of motor bikes was everywhere. Trucking along this trail we seen wild turkey and wild pigs rooting in the swamp along with various small creatures. Then we came to a hill that on the other side was a small pond. So I took the lead up the hill and just as I reached the top there was a big buck coming up from the other side and we met face to face. He seen me the same time I seen him and he snorted jumped high in the air and turned, at the same time I did a flip flop and ran backdown towards my son. My son looked at me running towards him and turned and ran too. I caught up to him and looked behind me to see nothing and started laughing. My son never seen the buck but he now had a story to tell his friends. As for me I now respect wood animals a little more, and tend to want to give them a good distance when seeing them.

            So dark searching I don’t recommend but I’m a early start person and do get a rush out of not knowing what’s around the next corner, especially if all I have to defend myself is a flashlight.

            Bur

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          • Hello, Bur.

            I just wanted to let you know that somehow you’ve left quite an impression on my wife.

            She’s always saying (moaning?) your name.

            …especially in the Winter…and in the Summer when the AC is on.

            “BURRRRRR!” she says.

            🙂

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  6. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur – Are you talking about Forrest’s female friend, who he met in the Airforce, and who was buried I’m the cemetery in Colorado next to the Airforce Academy?

    Lisa you’ve done some research, but no to her.

    Bur

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  7. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur – Are you talking about Forrest’s female friend, who he met in the Airforce, and who was buried I’m the cemetery in Colorado next to the Airforce Academy?

    Hello Lisa, I hope to ski SunValley next year and would enjoy buying you lunch and meeting you.

    I must have missed the conversation or post by forrest about his friend buried at the AF academy. Who was it? Are you able to expound or provide a link?

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  8. Bur:
    Annabloom,
    I appreciate the offer to buy me, a stranger, the book. That shows me your of good character, and one who’s willing to help others. I don’t have any of Forrest books. I have gotten info from others on them throughout the years.

    I have my solve area and it is not a big deal that I know everything that is written in Forrest books. Just thought people would share tidbits of things that stand out. I don’t think that’s a copyright issue. So post things if you want or not, it’s ok.

    Thanks for that offer tho,
    Bur

    Hey Bur, I’m at work today and can’t spend time on the blogs
    It may or may not be a copyright issue but forrest gave the new book to his publisher to benefit from book sales and I was simply honoring that since the book was newly released. Many sales will be searchers.

    The personal notes at the end of each chapter are “Forrest’s two cents” with postmarks and may well hold hints of how far and where to go with boots on the ground (isn’t it fun that BOG is also definition of a fen?. Interpretation of his remarks always gets interesting as we all seem to have a penchant for confirmation bias of what we believe are the keys. The one who is able to adapt to the cleverness of Fenn-think will rise upon the fly waters.

    Let me know if I can mail you the new book. Its hugely enjoyable and reignited my interest to finish well; laugh along the journey; think like a 13 yr old kid; even if my solve is not yet complete or entirely correct.

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    • Anna,

      I’m just looking for a change on the blogs and figured the conversations would start leading towards “Once Upon a While” and some have started and l’m sure more will come.

      As I said I appreciate your offer. I can afford Fenn’s books, I’m trying to solve this chase without them.
      As I also said, I have a very good solve, and one day I will make it back out to the Rockies just not in a hurry right now. I know my area is safe from searchers. There are two clues searchers just don’t get their meanings, not to mention one is not one that can be seen on a good map, but this year the tree line cleared some and zooming in I can see a glimpse of it but you still can’t tell what it is, need BOTG to understand.

      Anna- I believe your on Dal’s blog too, I wrote about the “word that is key” today. This word is the path to the area where the poem clue solves will take you.
      Bur

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      • Hey Bur, I’m never on Dal’s blog, and no longer read any of the posts. It’s likely a different Anna. I would enjoy reading your post on the “word that is key” if you are able to copy and paste here.

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        • Anna – Here you.go:

          Bur
          on November 10, 2017 at 6:27 am said:
          1 Trailblazer,

          Yes, I agree you need to start with the poem to get to solve, that only makes sense. Just how do you get to the area where this poem leads? Since the topic of this thread is “the key word” I will comment about that. So to me the “word that is key” is a “special hint” that if followed, yes followed, it will finally, yes finally, take you to the “area” and the true meaning of “WWWHalt”. Then at that point you can follow the clue solves to get you to indulgence.

          Now the word that is key – how do you know what that is? — guessing it’s a word in the poem like most are doing or is it one that needs a understanding of Forrest and what might have influence his life throughout time. If you can figure that out then the “key word” is obvious and you can see that “word” posted in plain sight in his TTOTC book, but if you “truly” understand what I said the book is not need. (Kind of like if you knew “right where” the chest is you could go anytime and get it, but what are the chances on that)? Just like the “word that is key” what are the chances you have the correct one? IMO What would Skippy say?
          Bur

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  9. JC1117:
    Hello, Bur and Lisa.

    It’s sad that Forrest’s Friend is already gone.Maybe He (She?) is waiting patiently at The Great Banquet Table.Furthermore…I hope They’re waiting patiently because They’re not expecting Forrest’s arrival anytime soon.

    And yes, Bur.There’s always a trail.I agree.

    It’s just that sometimes there are Blue Shadows on it…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViHENVBVbUg

    Hello JC1117, Bur, Lisa, woody, Bob et al.
    Love the Three Amigos – all outstanding comedians and actors. Do you ever wonder if celebs that know Forrest watch or play ttotc? Steve Martin starred in “Blazing” Saddles and is a top notch art collector. As a friend of FF, I’ll bet he tracks with the chase.
    Do you think Chevy Chase follows the chase? What about the third amigo…Martin Short? Loved him and SM in Father of the bride.

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    • Annabloom,

      Not sure if any actor has tried their luck in the search, I’m sure that the money part of the chest would not be their reason for chasing. The poem solve is the answer and if one can solve it now (so late in the Game) then that would be something to be proud of. Lots of wonderful minds have tried but still they come up empty.

      Lisa just wants to solve the poem and said I could have the chest – ok that’s not true only half of it – ok that’s not true either, maybe lunch.

      Bur

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      • Bur – The.Smithsonian gets the bronze chess if Forrest won’t take it back when I bring it to him I like that quote about if you love something set it free excetera.

        Anna – The person who owns that property I am always bugging Jake to go look on, with the heart on Lightning Creek, The Trapper’s Cabin, is named Sandy Martin. I wondered if she was a relative of Steve’s. And I think that property belongs to the Gallatin Land Trust now and has been preserved in perpetuity.

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        • Bur and Anna – What I just found really interesting, is in the Lost City of the Monkey God, Harrison Ford has just stepped up through Conservation International as its vice-chair, to declare that this Lost City region is one of the “healthiest tropical forests in the Americas” and an “extraordinary, globally significant ecological and cultural treasure”. I would bet the irony of Indiana Jones making that declaration was not lost on Doug Preston. I have wondered if he is secretly on The Chase. Wasn’t he involved in getting the helicopter that Ranelle flew on with the doctor?

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          • Bur and Anna – I just found a post I did on Forrest’s blog about the raffle he did for Renelle, and she said she got to meet Harrison Ford. That was awesome.

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        • Right Lisa, that land trust is important and some of the most beautiful country you will ever lay eyes on. I returned there the past two years and camped with my parents along Taylors Fork & Lightening creek in the 1960s.

          I won’t be in Sun Valley this ski season but hopefully within a year.
          I wish that I know more about Forrest’s years where he trained pilots and gunners for the AF – He also tested the hottest new planes. It makes sense he spent time around the academy. Beautiful country there. I haven’t seen Garden of the Gods in many moons – on my bucket list now.

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        • Right Lisa, that land trust is important and some of the most beautiful country you will ever lay eyes on. I returned there the past two years and camped with my parents along Taylors Fork & Lightening creek in the 1960s.

          I won’t be in Sun Valley this ski season but hopefully within a year.
          I wish that I know more about Forrest’s years where he trained pilots and gunners for the AF – He also tested the hottest new planes. It makes sense he spent time around the academy. Beautiful country there. I haven’t seen Garden of the Gods in many moons – on my bucket list now.

          Lisa, Harrison Ford is a true hero – he was one of the very first to beat the drums of conservation and environmental issues, followed by Robert Redford, Ted Turner and others. JHLT, GVLT have perpetually preserved some of my favorite lands. Ralph Lauren, Clint Eastwood, Costner, and other stars are most admireable. F’s friend Donna Karan helps with NYC’s central park’s conservation. I noticed that Oprah is on the bandwagon preserving the Hana Ranch in Hawaii. Many of Forrest’s friends have also made contributions to NA education, Conservation of historic buildings, etc. An impressive group of stars to dance with.

          Lisa Cesari:
          Bur and Anna – I just found a post I did on Forrest’s blog about the raffle he did for Renelle, and she said she got to meet Harrison Ford. That was awesome.

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          • Anna – It is awesome that you camped at the Taylor Fork and on Lightning Creek with your family in the 60s!

            And thank you for that wonderful list of all the stars and what they’re doing for conservation. It warmed my heart. But not the one on Sandy’s property, now owned by the GVLT, on Lightning Creek at The Trapper’s Cabin Ranch. That one is likely covered in snow by now…

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  10. I wrote this on Dal’s yesterday morning but for some reason it went in to moderation and then put in under Forest Fenn in middle of the night I guess. So most likely no one seen it, but it doesn’t matter. Thought I would post it here, maybe it will hit a sweet spot with someone. Oh yea it did me.

    Bur

    I’m wondering when we think about the poem and finding “indulgence” do we really think about Forrest and the time he got cancer? How this terrible disease made him change, and all he did to fight this invasion in his body of something he had no control of. His mind thought the worst, but his body fought for life.

    Forrest wrote this for a wonderful lady ” Renelle Jacobson ” after her passing – “As the days of autumn approach each of us must know that our hour glass is slowly getting bottom heavy. Hopefully, as each crystal of sand drops, it takes with it the story of a fruitful life, full of grateful memories and dreams fulfilled.”

    Forrest knew he had a new beginning since he was cured, and maybe he needed to make sure that all he did would help him get and keep himself healthy.
    So what I’m getting at here is that maybe with this new set of eyes Forrest went to a place to heal and relax, somewhere he had went before with a someone but this time alone, and it had a new meaning. This place was a place he could let go of all that had happened and he could heal and enjoy all that he love to do growing up from that “marble” making little boy. His time spent in this place served to remind him of – ” his story of a fruitful life, full of grateful memories and dreams fulfilled.”
    So now this place has turned into a place “special to him”.

    Forrest has good memories of days gone by and many places that were special then, but why can’t he have a “special place” that all those other memories fit in. “I knew where I wanted to ……..f

    Of course these are my thoughts, but just maybe.
    Bur

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    • By the way, this person that Forrest went with or met him there in this special place might have not been someone he knew in the years before his art gallery, but after. This person has since passed before the hiding of the chest. Two can keep a secret…..

      Bur

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    • Bur – Totally excellent post! I especially love the hour glass quote, which I had never seen before. Did you see my post at Dal’s about W.B. Yeats and a play by that name?:

      www.bartleby.com/library/readersdigest/994.html

      I am playing the part of the Fool on The Chase.

      He wrote another poem called the Song of Wandering Aengus, which I have imagined Forrest reading or memorizing, since it is about the author fishing for trout with a Hazel wand.

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      • Bur – I copied that great quote you used over at Dal’s onto the thread where I posted the WB Yeats hour glass play, and used your name to credit it. My post went into moderation. But one I did just after that, without using your name, did not. That used to happen when I used The Wolf’s name after he was put into moderation at Dal’s. FYI.

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      • Lisa- the “marble” part was a hint on my part to get others to understand that chapter better and how it “relates” in the chase to the chest, but not to the poem.. Kind of glad you picked that part out.
        So did Forrest except? Guess not because I don’t think he has loss his marbles yet.
        Bur

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        • Bur – I was pretty good at Ringer in my school.days. I remember.some beautiful Boulders I had in my collection back then. I think Forrest recognized me to be the Ringer that I am at marbles, and politely declined. Like those boys should have done in the Rockwell piece.

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          • Lisa – I was looking at your post and something is wrong here then it clicked. Your avatar is not you. Maybe your like me and have just to many passwords for to many accounts.

            I think I struck a nerve last time I wrote him about something I found out about his life and a friend. Normally there is a answer of some kind but this time “nada”. So I think I know his friend he might have met in……………….
            I’m surprised more people haven’t figured that one out. Maybe if Eric Sloane was alive he could confirm this.(not Eric)
            I don’t think Forrest knows there is always a trail, you just need to know where to look and who to ask.
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          • Hello, Bur and Lisa.

            It’s sad that Forrest’s Friend is already gone. Maybe He (She?) is waiting patiently at The Great Banquet Table. Furthermore…I hope They’re waiting patiently because They’re not expecting Forrest’s arrival anytime soon.

            And yes, Bur. There’s always a trail. I agree.

            It’s just that sometimes there are Blue Shadows on it…

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViHENVBVbUg

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          • Bur – Are you talking about Forrest’s female friend, who he met in the Airforce, and who was buried I’m the cemetery in Colorado next to the Airforce Academy?

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      • Well thank you Annabloom. Do you have Forrest new book? I’m looking for the comments made at the end of each chapter if your willing to share some. Have you been on many searches? For me maybe to many but all were adventurous to say the least. Maybe I’ll tell you about some late on.

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        • Good morning Bur, yes i do have “Once Upon A While”
          It’s really enjoyable to read for the pleasure of Forrest’s storied words. I’ve just started back thru the stories & comment sections looking for hints. The comments are too numerous to post here and we would need permission from Lou Bruno or Forrest to post publicly. I would be happy to purchase a copy of the book and have it shipped to you. If That’s an option you wish to pursue, kindly leave an email here on the blog for me to contact you for name & address.

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          • Annabloom,
            I appreciate the offer to buy me, a stranger, the book. That shows me your of good character, and one who’s willing to help others. I don’t have any of Forrest books. I have gotten info from others on them throughout the years.

            I have my solve area and it is not a big deal that I know everything that is written in Forrest books. Just thought people would share tidbits of things that stand out. I don’t think that’s a copyright issue. So post things if you want or not, it’s ok.

            Thanks for that offer tho,
            Bur

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  11. Mike- you might have to add Forrest’s new book tile to your books category. Okay so what’s up with “cloves” being circled in Fenn’s new book. I posted on JDA post (Dal’s) a idea on why, but maybe some of you have some thoughts on it.
    Bur

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    • C-love, cloven hooves perhaps. And then there’s the distinct shape of Cloves. My hunch is this chase is more visually appealing than what folks think.

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      • Anna and Bur – Jamie and Mindy.contributed these items about Cloves at Dal’s:

        The English name derives from the Latin clavus (nail); the French word for nail is clou.

        The Pole Star is aka The Nail of Heaven.

        Forrest was certainly dancing with that star, when he flew his Piper Malibu plane, since it’s so important in navigation.

        Sorry, Jake.

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  12. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur – Thank you for the nice compliment s about the pictures on my site. I am posting that picture I took in late September on the Madison, where it crosses below Highway 191, following. See the wood…

    500px.com/photo/229970001

    In mid-November last year, I knew it was going to be a 60 degree day at my spot the next day, so I spontaneously drove that afternoon the 4.5 hours to West Yellowstone. I discovered the park was closed, and most every hotel in town was shut down. I decided to get permission from the Brandin’ Iron Inn to park behind the main building and sleep in my car. Upon talking to more folks in the morning, I found out that all the forest rangers had also left town, and most all camps and accommodations were closed out near my search area. This felt like a recipe for disaster, and a nightmare for Search and Rescue if something happened to me with My Grizz. So I avoided my plan on a gorgeous day and drove all the way back to Sun Valley. There was no snow on the ground, so it was very tempting. I just saw Forrest’s comment last night suggesting that we West Yellowstone and Northerly searchers end the season for this year, and I think he is right.

    The knowledge you have is beautiful!

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    • WoodyBogg – Thank you for all your kindnesses and compliments. I have learned so much about life and using my intellect, intuition and especially my imagination on The Chase.

      How are you doing up there on Flathead Lake? Have you finished building your house?

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      • No have not finished ; I keep chasing my tail. It seems there’s no end, no time, and not enough money. But this old dog keeps plodding along. LOL Now there’s a blizzard outside!

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        • Another thing ! There’s to many shysters out there! They want to keep you from getting what belongs to you or take what you already have! A person doesn’t need enemies when your own blood family is worse than anyone else.Plus plenty that aren’t family too.

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  13. Lisa,

    “And I am also going to go back and look in the wood at the spot on the Madison next to Hey 191, where I took that picture at the end of this past September. I am pretty sure that is where Forrest had his dinghy in the preface of Too Far to Walk.”

    I have looked at some of your pictures not sure if I seen this spot in them. You know when I first searched my areas up in Yelowstone I flew in West Yellowstone and stayed at the Stage Coach Inn. I drove all around this area, and the only places I stopped on the Madison River was right after the park entrance and a few other pull offs on the way to Firehole. Yes I searched Firehole Falls and points along it. Not sure if Musstag posts anymore but I met him there in West Yellowstone and he seems to know a lot about this area and has done many searches there.

    Lisa, by the way I love the pic of the “58 Corvette”, your right Diggin has nothing on you. Your a wonderful photographer, my daughter-in-law is good too.
    Bur

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    • Bur – Thank you for the nice compliment s about the pictures on my site. I am posting that picture I took in late September on the Madison, where it crosses below Highway 191, following. See the wood…

      500px.com/photo/229970001

      In mid-November last year, I knew it was going to be a 60 degree day at my spot the next day, so I spontaneously drove that afternoon the 4.5 hours to West Yellowstone. I discovered the park was closed, and most every hotel in town was shut down. I decided to get permission from the Brandin’ Iron Inn to park behind the main building and sleep in my car. Upon talking to more folks in the morning, I found out that all the forest rangers had also left town, and most all camps and accommodations were closed out near my search area. This felt like a recipe for disaster, and a nightmare for Search and Rescue if something happened to me with My Grizz. So I avoided my plan on a gorgeous day and drove all the way back to Sun Valley. There was no snow on the ground, so it was very tempting. I just saw Forrest’s comment last night suggesting that we West Yellowstone and Northerly searchers end the season for this year, and I think he is right.

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      • Lisa, your welcome and well deserved, and I did see that pic you posted. So “in the wood” is a hint- clue for you? I once thought that, in fact it’s part of my search posted here. I think now Forrest is referring to something he has put inside “indulgence” (lined in wood) to make sure the finder has no issue claiming the chest and it’s contents.

        On another note did you see that “Cynthia” is trying to have a mini Fennboree in West Yellowstone next summer. Not sure if your into that and want to meet up with other searchers. I know Bob didn’t get a good welcome when he went to one because of issue’s with Dal and Forrest. As for me I ‘m not to fond of Cynthia because of her response to a comment I was having with another, thinking she is the queen of the blog, and she blasted me without understanding the whole conversation. I did nicely respond to her remark (with steam coming out my ears) and straightened her out with no reply back from her. This is also a reason why I’ve posted all over her “book review page” to show she does not intimidate me at all. LOL

        Well maybe it’s best you search your spot next year. I remember one night I almost froze to death ( seemed like that ) for not totally preparing for a sudden drop in temperature after the sunset, with warmer clothes, on one of my searches. So lesson learned on my part.
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        • Bur – No, I don’t feel compelled to join Cynthia for a planned event next June in West Yellowstone. I like to be a little more spontaneous than that. And who knows where each of our lives are going to lead over the Winter season? But I am in no way adverdse to making a shorter-term plan when Spring approaches meet up with fine people like you or bob or WoodyBogg or The Wolf or Anna or JC1117 or Forrest’s hot grandson, Shiloh. Did I really just write that???

          And I like your idea referring to the wood lining of the chest. That is certainly intriguing, and I have often wondered how Forrest is going to accomplish the hand off of the title.

          Speaking of things worth the cold, maybe when we finally meet I will tell you the story of how I hiked up to Pioneer cabin here on June 6th of 2017 and shorts a tank top and my trail runners with cotton socks. The top third of the mountain was covered with about a foot of snow. And I got lost trying to find my destination and had to follow animal trails down. But here is one of the great pictures I got:

          500px.com/photo/215554131

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          • Lisa, as I said before, you take such wonderful pictures. You definitely have some beautiful country up there.

            I would love to here your story sometime, you sure are one adventurous person. I too have always love the outdoors, the mountains are my favorite place to enjoy Mother Nature.

            Make sure you stay safe if you get that urge to check things out again before spring time comes.
            There’s web cams in my general area of where I search and I tend to watch them constantly during the winter months to see just how often and how much snow actually covers the area.
            Have a good night, it is actually dark right now 6:15 EST here in Florida. Have to adjust to the time change.
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  14. Jake Faulker:
    You need to get at least a few hours of hiking & searching to make it worth while.

    Dogs can help but can hamper in the search. When I went with Morgen & Dayna (Search & Rescue dog for Loan Mtn) she sniffed around & looked around but never strayed away from her master. Very smart well trained companion.

    I also went on another search with a woman from California with a small dog & had to be carried by her most of the time because she kept following scent trails away from the trail.

    Dogs must be disciplined to fully obey their master at all times when hiking. Obviously some dogs are more disciplined than some humans considering some searchers went into a dangerous situation without coming back alive.

    Hope you make it to your spot (wherever that is) & be able to put in a few searches at least4 hrs each next year.

    The DOG found me first! I recognized it instantly!

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  15. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur – None of your comments were stupid and I’m really glad to have you over here again.

    Just did a detailed post at Dal’s, which probably won’t show up until tomorrow, since I am at an IP address now that goes through moderation. So I will mention my point here as well briefly.

    Listen to the book signing video again, for the comment during the Q&A about the man who finds rocks and wants his family to return them to where he found them someday. He asks Forrest to share an inspirational location he has found in nature. Instead, Forrest responds by talking about objects he’s found in special places. He mentions at the end of those comments, that when his plane went down, and he was waiting to be rescued, B-52’s were bombing him constantly. The above ground bombs kicked up rocks high into the air, which dropped down all over Forrest. He kept one that dropped onto his leg, to this day.

    Did you catch the part about him laying next to a rotted log, while all this was going on???

    I think Forrest chose his final resting place in nature partly to commemorate his survival and rescue that day when his plane went down. As I have told Jake, there is a well-seasoned fallen Lodgepole Pine Tree, lying on a perfect diagonal, across my open squarish hiding spot. I pinpointed that for Jake to see, and we have discussed it at length over on the Looking for Lewis and Clark thread.

    The story Forrest falls reference too as inspiration is inspiring and spot on!

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  16. Lisa Cesari:
    Bur – None of your comments were stupid and I’m really glad to have you over here again.

    Just did a detailed post at Dal’s, which probably won’t show up until tomorrow, since I am at an IP address now that goes through moderation. So I will mention my point here as well briefly.

    Listen to the book signing video again, for the comment during the Q&A about the man who finds rocks and wants his family to return them to where he found them someday. He asks Forrest to share an inspirational location he has found in nature. Instead, Forrest responds by talking about objects he’s found in special places. He mentions at the end of those comments, that when his plane went down, and he was waiting to be rescued, B-52’s were bombing him constantly. The above ground bombs kicked up rocks high into the air, which dropped down all over Forrest. He kept one that dropped onto his leg, to this day.

    Did you catch the part about him laying next to a rotted log, while all this was going on???

    I think Forrest chose his final resting place in nature partly to commemorate his survival and rescue that day when his plane went down. As I have told Jake, there is a well-seasoned fallen Lodgepole Pine Tree, lying on a perfect diagonal, across my open squarish hiding spot. I pinpointed that for Jake to see, and we have discussed it at length over on the Looking for Lewis and Clark thread.

    I did hear that and did not put two and two together like you did. You know in my area of search I did see a lone white tree standing with no branches or leaves on it just below my “water high” but thought not the blaze because it would not last 1000 years. A few months back I put circles on that satillite view map at 500′ at “no paddle up your creek” and 200′ circles on both “heavy loads” and “water high” and they all met a one point and I zoom in and low and behold there is a white circular item there in the tree line. If or when I ever get back out there this will be my priority.

    Lisa, I try to keep up on Dal’s blog but don’t catch all, and it’s been awhile since I checked in here on Mike’s. So I’ve got some reading to do to see where the conversations have been going. You have always been hard to keep up with, especially with your knowledge and research ability (one that I admire) which is a constant. So thanks for including me in your posting and I will try to post when I can. Bur

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        • Nice to see you too KM.
          My Fenn adventure is on ice & snow at the moment & will only search in late summer or fall, one trip per year assuming no one finds it.

          Did you ever get your hiking pole back?

          I would hope you are a little less secretive about your spot here.

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          • I did get my hiking pole back, it was right where I left it. That was Oct 2016, the puppy went along and made things difficult and my planning sucks, only had 30-45 minutes on site, spent half that time trying to deal with the dog. I need more time to find something hidden and no distractions. I don’t know if/when I’m going again. Time, planning amd knowlege are critical. I chased the most beautiful sunset of my life and the billions of stars were a treasure in themselves. I cannot say anything about my solve, I really not sure what to do. Keep me posted about the treasures you find on your journeys.

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          • You need to get at least a few hours of hiking & searching to make it worth while.

            Dogs can help but can hamper in the search. When I went with Morgen & Dayna (Search & Rescue dog for Loan Mtn) she sniffed around & looked around but never strayed away from her master. Very smart well trained companion.

            I also went on another search with a woman from California with a small dog & had to be carried by her most of the time because she kept following scent trails away from the trail.

            Dogs must be disciplined to fully obey their master at all times when hiking. Obviously some dogs are more disciplined than some humans considering some searchers went into a dangerous situation without coming back alive.

            Hope you make it to your spot (wherever that is) & be able to put in a few searches at least 4 hrs each next year.

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          • I have time to train the dog to sniff out bronze, she is now grown and super smart. Black lab. The story of a dog sniffing out the hidden treasure would cool.

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    • Keder’s Mom on Mike does not dictate what you post here He does an excellent job on the grounds of freedom of speech and expression . Keep the language clean and you’ll be fine! Thank you Mike!

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  17. Everyone – After reading about Dal’s and Cynthia’s adventures with the ABC Nightline crew on Grayling Creek, I grabbed the 2010 edition of Flywater, and I’m looking at page 19 and 20 of a photo with a rainbow blaze of what I think are the buildings at Parade Rest Ranch on Grayling Creek. The same photo is featured in the 1993 version as a small inset on page 23. Wise people would try to read a key book from Forrest’s collection, right? If you’ve been wise and found the blaze….

    www.bozemandailychronicle.com/opinions/columnists/memories-of-the-past-enrich-our-present/article_c682c24f-bc3f-5167-89d2-bee111f540db.html

    The end of Forrest’s rainbow and the treasure?

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    • All – And speaking of the story Forrest wrote about Flywater, and his love for the Firehole River, check out this link that mentions both The Phantom and Jack Hemingway, who we have been discussing over on Dal’s blog. He wrote the forward to the 1993 version of the book, Flywater:

      books.google.com/books?id=L8gbWk-TBJYC&pg=RA1-PT248&lpg=RA1-PT248&dq=james+phantom+firehole+dan+callaghan&source=bl&ots=n_Dk2TpMxk&sig=2kxplC-pa0evObgkpbe5FkLb3HU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dZ0pVKTGBaK3iwLwyYGYDw&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=james%20phantom%20firehole%20dan%20callaghan&f=false

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      • Anyway, I didn’t find his autobiography in the library & probably is not there. I would have to say it’s not there & you find the treasure to read it or find one of his buried frog bells.

        The bottom line is there is a copy in the chest & he wouldn’t put it in harms way & that would be in a place where fire, heat& flames could destroy it.

        I have gone down some rabbit holes with Zap & I don’t think Jack Hemingway or the Phantom will help you get closer, but only further from where the treasure is.

        I did my homework on a lot of tangents & things stated in his books & online articles although haven’t seen all.

        Have you called those folks at the ranch yet to confirm his visit?

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        • Jake – Thanks for checking on his autobiography at the Library of Congress. And no, I have not called Nine Quarter Circle Ranch or my friend’s sister at West Yellowstone Airport yet.

          According to that same book above, The Phantom had a habit of showing up at everybody’s secret fishing holes and nobody knew how he found them. I think Forrest knew The Phantom and Jack Hemingway. Forrest wrote, “only the Phantom knows” in one of his scrapbooks…

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      • Lisa,
        I see your posting here on Mike’s. I and many others use to post here from when Mike first started this blog. That came about for me when Dal’s blog (early 2011) started to get crazy and people were arguing with each other about the chase and other things so Dal shut it down for a period of time. So l found Mike’s TTOTC.com so I could continue conversations related to the chase. There were some of the best people and ideas, and also first findings here. After Dal got his new site back up many went back and forth. Mike had a couple of problems with his site and many went elsewhere including myself. Not sure if you can access all the old original conversations and the people whom had some excellent ideas but I do sometimes come across them when I put “key words” to look up answers on the Internet. If you can access those old post they have some interesting info but it’s a lot of reading. There are a couple of originals that pop in here from time to time but not a lot anymore. Glad to see you and Jake posting, just maybe it will grow again here with great conversations, and one good thing is you can just about say anything and post anything you want without backlash from the blogs owner Mike.

        Have fun.
        Bur

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        • Lisa, as I look at the blog I see you have been posting here for awhile and chatting with a few of the originals. I haven’t checked on Mike’s in awhile guess I will more often. I’m not one to write a lot anymore but like to throw my two cents in every now and then.

          Have you met “Bob the comedian” on the blog. All and all he’s a good guy. I have been out searching with him. Alright, got to go. Bur

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          • Bur – I am the poster formerly known as E*, and I have been on The Chase since.Brian Williams did his NBC Nightly News broadcast about it on February 28th, 2013. And yes, I know and love bob and you too, Bur. And all those who post regularly here from the A-Team.

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          • You know I was going to ask you that after reading a lot of your comments and how you seemed like E*, thanks for letting me know. So I do know you. Ok I will check more often. Sorry for my stupid comments above.
            Bur

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          • Bur – None of your comments were stupid and I’m really glad to have you over here again.

            Just did a detailed post at Dal’s, which probably won’t show up until tomorrow, since I am at an IP address now that goes through moderation. So I will mention my point here as well briefly.

            Listen to the book signing video again, for the comment during the Q&A about the man who finds rocks and wants his family to return them to where he found them someday. He asks Forrest to share an inspirational location he has found in nature. Instead, Forrest responds by talking about objects he’s found in special places. He mentions at the end of those comments, that when his plane went down, and he was waiting to be rescued, B-52’s were bombing him constantly. The above ground bombs kicked up rocks high into the air, which dropped down all over Forrest. He kept one that dropped onto his leg, to this day.

            Did you catch the part about him laying next to a rotted log, while all this was going on???

            I think Forrest chose his final resting place in nature partly to commemorate his survival and rescue that day when his plane went down. As I have told Jake, there is a well-seasoned fallen Lodgepole Pine Tree, lying on a perfect diagonal, across my open squarish hiding spot. I pinpointed that for Jake to see, and we have discussed it at length over on the Looking for Lewis and Clark thread.

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          • Bur – And to support my point, here is an excerpt from a poem Forrest wrote in response to a piece of driftwood, which is another form of rotted log, that a searcher sent to him, and Forrest photographed. Candy Ann is the helicopter that rescued Forrest:

            dalneitzel.com/2017/01/12/scrapbook-one-hundred-sixty-four-2/

            OR MAYBE IT’S A DESPERATE SOUL, A SENTIMENTAL SORT, STANDING ON A SODDEN KNOLL, SEARCHING FOR HIS CANDY ANN, WHO, ABSENT FROM HER ROLE, LATELY DEPARTED FROM A DISTANT PORT.
            AND NO ONE WAS THERE TO PAY HER TOLL

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          • Bur – And Jake guided me back to this link, in which Forrest said he climbed under a dinghy lying across that log. And over at Dalles Rob is hypothesizing about Fathers Day being July 20, 2010, as the date Forest may have hidden the bronze chest. Could that 20th date 6 months from December 20th, the day Forrest’s plane went down, be accurate?

            And I am also going to go back and look in the wood at the spot on the Madison next to Hey 191, where I took that picture at the end of this past September. I am pretty sure that is where Forrest had his dinghy in the preface of Too Far to Walk.

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          • Bur – Not quick on the draw fast enough to edit this post, so I reposted the edited version.

            And Jake guided me back to this link, in which Forrest said he climbed under a dinghy lying across that log.

            supersabresociety.com/caterpillar-club/forrest-fenn-caterpillar-club/

            And over at Dal’s, Rob is hypothesizing about Fathers Day being June 20, 2010, as the date Forrest may have hidden the bronze chest. Could that June 20th date, 6 months from December 20th, the day Forrest’s plane went down, be accurate? Forrest certainly doesn’t advocate going alone I there in December, so maybe so.

            And I am also going to go back and look in the wood at the spot on the Madison next to Hwy 191, where I took that picture at the end of this past September. I am pretty sure that is where Forrest had his dinghy in the preface of Too Far to Walk.

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        • Hey Bur,
          I’m a newbie here & only been searching for the treasure since July 2015.

          I get a lot of good info from E* Lisa from back then & now. I like to see Forrest (fake) comment now & then, it’s amusing how he can be so off.

          Welcome to the “A” Team Bur as long as your looking in SW Montana.

          Woody, I would like to ride some of those horses up there where you live near Glacier. Spirit lone one is the one for me if she is still kicking.
          You live where the treasure is & am jealous.

          Bur:dalneitzel.com/2016/02/18/odds-n-ends-about-fenns-treasure-hunt-5/#comment-125649

          I think you are on the right trail but maybe not the right path.

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          • Jake,
            When I started searching I did search that area, but have moved on to another area. Where my search area is now is a place I found out Forrest visited, and the poem clues fit. The problem I have had with it was determining the blaze on a satillite view of the area and followed that blaze instead of going all the way up to waters high and looking, on my last search. So now it’s a waiting game for me until I get the chance to go back to the Rockies.

            I see you and Lisa are familiar with that area of search. Did you move up there or are you still in FL?
            Good luck to you both.
            Bur

            P.S – I still consider myself part of the “A” Team.

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  18. Mike! i emailed you my entry for the stick figure contest. hoping you will post it here. Dal wouldnt because he said its too revealing. i dont get it…all the other stick figures are naked.

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  19. He said you could find it using google maps, he also said it was below 10,200 feet. Forrest spent a good amount of time as a youth in West Yellowstone, Montana were his family had a cabin. Blaze Mountain is in Montana very close to the cabin his family owned, there is a sliver of snow on Blaze Mountain that the locals call the blaze they ski during the summer months, and if you go to google and type in Blaze Mountain Montana and click on the map that shows up it gives the elevation of the mountain as 10,200 feet. But wait before you get excited all the clues lead to larger than life landmarks, and the poem is written way to vague to find such a small little box in those vast large landmarks. Forrest does not expect anyone to find it. Good luck.

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  20. I feel so much more comfortable when dal comes out on his blog & ensures it’s “Users are not in any danger”.

    I feel much better even though I have been inundated with unwanted emails with viruses since joining his site.

    I wish he would delete my info on his site as he has deleted me from commenting.

    If your going to nuke someone. Nuke everything & email the “nuked” past member a notice of that all your info has been purged.

    I think the chest is in Montana.

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  21. deb:
    Nope you are right. I don’t think I will outlive my mom. She is 83 . My grandma was 98 , my great grandma 108. I am convinced it was from living on the farms.
    Deb – How are you? Farm life does have it’s advantages ! For example it’s wholesome and fresh. There are no hormones or antibiotics fed to your meat . No polluted water that it drinks . The local fish lived in cleaner water! The vegetables were home grown with little or no pesticides and your food wasn’t hybrid and or loaded with preservatives and chemicals.

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    • I am fair to middling , living one day at a time. Trying to figure out where we go from here. Hubby got laid off when they found out he was ill. The chemo meds he takes are doing the job they are meant to do. It’s hard watching a proud man finally have age catch up with him. Mama is still saluting every sunrise, bless her heart. I have some hard times ahead of me , looks like. Not going to dwell too much on those.
      I have been worried about our people and where we all will end up at. About ready to sell everything and go back to something simpler, away from people. Get some chickens and live off the grid.lol Now that is called disgusted with politics.

      As long as I can do it with Art, everything will be ok. We have been together all our adult lives and each day has been a blessing to me. We have been together 41 years so far. Only seems like twenty !

      How are you doing Woody ? I have always enjoyed reading your posts , you make much sense to me in many things. Still riding those horses ? How’s your wife doing? You all ok? I hope so , we need more men like you.

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  22. JC1117:
    War of The Wor ds…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDbeqj-1XOo

    Good one JC1117, I’d forgotten about that Pink Floyd song. Maybe we should jumpstart the weekend without words. Silence is a scarce commodity unless you live near a wilderness in which to escape.

    Here’s a version of Allelujah without words. I prefer it to the lyrical version. Hope others here enjoy as well. And well, ignore it if you’d rather be left alone to your own thoughts.

    youtu.be/TT5u2xVEO5M

    Shout out to my Montana family…I miss and love you!

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  23. JC1117:
    I’m not picking on you, Bob.

    Back in the day…I remember being naked and afraid in bars quite a few times.

    Heck…I clearly remember this one time at a bar when I noticed I was naked.For some reason I thought i was an orange and the folks there had peeled me.

    Then I started running around screaming and telling everyone to stay away because I thought they were going to juice me.

    You know…for my precious bodily fluids.

    That’s how I remember it.Maybe not “clearly”.

    I figured it best not to frequent bars after that…I reckon…

    …and I won’t drink orange juice anymore.:/

    JC1117 – you’re starting to sound like Randy Travis in his convenience store streaking daze.

    Quote from convenience store employee:
    “He ordered a couple packs of cigarettes, just like anybody would order a pack of cigarettes — except he was naked. I said, ‘What are you doing in the store naked?’ And he said, ‘Just give me the cigarettes.’”

    Now, lets get back on point with TTOTC:

    What do you make of the ‘forrest’ comments recently posted here? I always appreciate you’re insightful opinions about Forrest Fenn. Almost like you know him.

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    • Hello, Anna!

      Before I say anything I want to thank you, first, for the Beautiful Book and It’s Eternal Subject Matter.

      Having said THAT…I would like to make it clear that I was just making up that story about being in the bar…naked. :/

      I had forgotten about Randy Travis. I hope he’s feeling better these days. I really do.

      www.eonline.com/news/336823/not-just-another-naked-pop-star-arrest-in-defense-of-randy-travis

      I just got home from work. I’m typing this on my phone before I get in the shower. I’ll try to answer your question when I’m at the computer…

      …and dressed. 🙂

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      • Three Wooden Crosses
        Randy Travis
        Lyrics
        A farmer and a teacher, a hooker and a preacher
        Ridin’ on a midnight bus bound for Mexico
        One’s headed for vacation, one for higher education
        An’ two of them were searchin’ for lost souls
        That driver never ever saw the stop sign
        An’ eighteen wheelers can’t stop on a dime
        There are three wooden crosses on the right side of the highway
        Why there’s not four of them, Heaven only knows
        I guess it’s not what you take when you leave this world behind you
        It’s what you leave behind you when you go
        That farmer left a harvest, a home and eighty acres
        The faith an’ love for growin’ things in his young son’s heart
        An’ that teacher left her wisdom in the minds of lots of children
        Did her best to give ’em all a better start
        An’ that preacher whispered: “Can’t you see the Promised Land?”
        As he laid his blood-stained bible in that hooker’s hand
        There are three wooden crosses on the right side of the highway
        Why there’s not four of them, Heaven only knows
        I guess it’s not what you take when you leave this world behind you
        It’s what you leave behind you when you go
        That’s the story that our preacher told last Sunday
        As he held that blood-stained bible up
        For all of us to see
        He said: “Bless the farmer, and the teacher, an’ the preacher
        “Who gave this Bible to my mamma
        “Who read it to me”
        There are three wooden crosses on the right side of the highway
        Why there’s not four of them, now I guess we know
        It’s not what you take when you leave this world behind you
        It’s what you leave behind you when you go
        There are three wooden crosses on the right side of the highway
        Songwriters: Doug Johnson / Kim Williams

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      • Hello JC1117, I do enjoy sharing great books with friends. Unfortunately my post-cancer memory is mush tonight. Kindly remind me when you received it. ?? I haven’t mailed any books in the past few weeks.

        Thanks for sharing the song lyrics. A timely reminder to me of how grateful I am to be alive, living in the shadow of the cross – God’s grace. I’d be a self-centered, cancer ridden mess if not for His loving grip on my soul.

        Like forrest, I’m a cancer survivor. Stage 3 changed my long and short term bucket list, Every day I feel well is a gift. I lost my dearest friend Shannon to pancreatic cancer years ago when her kids were young. Why I lived and she is survived by her children I can’t understand. She was so joyful that I can still hear her laughter after 17 years. She and I will tap dance on top of Heaven’s starry floors…or fish with forrest atop Heaven’s starry sky – like his new book cover. Fun to think about reunions with friends and grandparents that I miss:-)

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        • Hello, Anna.

          You were kind enough to gift me a copy of the book “Humility” by Andrew Murray.

          I thank you for that. 🙂

          I am happy to hear that you’re surviving. Struggles…especially those that make us reflect on our lives and the lives of others…can be very enlightening…if we allow them to be.

          Forrest certainly had a life-changing experience with his cancer struggle as well. Combine that experience with many other experiences in his life…like the pain of war and almost losing his life numerous times…and you have The Thrill of the Chase.

          He has a Message to share.

          I can only Hope that I might be able to think like Forrest. I don’t know that I am…but I have a lot of Faith in Him…and Hope that His Message might see the Light of Day…soon.

          i would Love to be the one to share that Message…if possible.

          Forrest really does seem to be conveying some heavy information lately… (Heavy loads?) …but what do I know?

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  24. September 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm
    Posted by ‘Valerie’ on MW (I think she’s correct)

    @Pdenver, the Doukopoli interview was an early one, and in my opinion is one of the most helpful in eliminating Montana/Yellowstone. MT is the treasure state but according to Fenn’s statements and logic, it does not hold his box of golden treasures – unless he lied as he says he does 15/85 percent of the time.

    In choosing the location, Fenn himself told me (Tony Doukopuli) Fenn was thinking “10,000 years down the road … I considered mudslides, forest fires, earthquakes, and floods.” And yet he maintains that the treasure is readily accessible to him, even today. “I could go right there.”

    Ask yourself:
    Where is the safest place to conceal a treasure for 10,000 years?
    1. Where is the oldest inhabited Capitol city?
    Answer: Santa Fe, NM
    2. Where is the oldest house standing in the USA:
    Answer: Santa Fe, NM
    3. Where is the oldest Church standing in the USA:
    Answer: San Miguel in Santa Fe, NM
    4. Where is the oldest seat of gov’t. Building:
    Answer: Palace of Governors, Santa Fe, NM
    5. Oldest pueblos still standing?
    New Mexico

    The fact is FF emphatically stated he considered “mudslides, forest fires, earthquakes, and floods” to place the treasure in a SAFE place to withstand the wiles of nature and populations for 10,000 years.

    He has also stated the Yellowstone super volcano would not affect the treasure chest. After carefully and logically considering his logical statements, the safest place that FF could “go right to, even today.” would be near Santa Fe, NM.

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    • ok Anna boom…ill bite.
      asking myself where is the safest place to conceal a treasure for 10,000 years….
      hmmm, another planet? yes thats my first response. or how about deep underground, like a mile. to me anywhere other than these two would be iffy for 10,000 years.

      in regard to your other things…
      1. oldest capitol city?
      2. oldest house?
      3. oldest church?
      4. oldest seat of govt.?
      5. oldest pueblos?

      relatively speaking these things are all new compared to a planet.

      i guess im missing your point.
      never mind.
      sorry.
      in my opinion.
      leave me alone.
      lol

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      • Bob, you asked me “to leave you alone.” And yet, I didn’t knock on your door. You said…”ok Anna, I’ll bite”

        I must be mistaken about this forum. In past years folks have enjoyed discussing ideas about the chase here.

        That said, I’m a big believer in apologizing when someone takes offense. I’m sorry that I bothered you Bob. It won’t ever happen again. I dislike the ‘toothful’ mean looking icon next to my name anyway.

        Take care all.
        Thanks Mike for the past fun.

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      • Absolutely Lisa! The Warren Miller “losing might be your thing” quote I posted was clearly directed at me, and all for fun! I’ve been a complete failure like EVERYONE ELSE at finding FF’s treasure trove, but had great fun trying.

        I love the ski movies Warren Millier has made since the 1950’s (some in Sun Valley) and his commentary is entertaining. I’ve not been to Sun Valley in many years but enjoyed wonderful ski trips with my family there. Took ski ballet lessons on Baldy in 1976 – you’re much too young to remember that ski fad.

        Well, I’m definitely out of here. Started tweeting with an adventure/outdoors platform and am enjoying it immensely. My stops to the blogs are getting fewer and far between. Was blessed to enjoy meeting forrest at his home this year and sipping Jackie Kennedy’s brandy. I’ve had a great ride and am happy to move on. Warmest wishes to All here on Mike’s blog as you continue searching for the golden trove. I’m content as ever with exploring the Rockies and enjoying Nature’s treasure…The great outdoors.

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          • ok Lisa thats just gross…kind of like that show “naked and afraid” where they show the contestants naked, dirty, ugly butts sometimes with bug bites.
            yuk.
            i dont have cable tv at home but ive seen the show at bars a couple of times.

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          • Hello, Lisa…Woody…Bob.

            I don’t know which is more “cheeky”…Lisa’s picture post…or the fact that Bob just admitted to watching Naked and Afraid in bars…and in HD too apparently!

            Bug bites? 🙂

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          • I’m not picking on you, Bob.

            Back in the day…I remember being naked and afraid in bars quite a few times.

            Heck…I clearly remember this one time at a bar when I noticed I was naked. For some reason I thought i was an orange and the folks there had peeled me.

            Then I started running around screaming and telling everyone to stay away because I thought they were going to juice me.

            You know…for my precious bodily fluids.

            That’s how I remember it. Maybe not “clearly”.

            I figured it best not to frequent bars after that…I reckon…

            …and I won’t drink orange juice anymore. :/

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  25. bob:
    Luckydog i shall embrace Irma as a lover. mother natures swirling daughter of beauty cleansing the land. bringing new life to a polluted landscape of mans construct. new smells to replace mans stink. never mind the money, shes priceless.

    Bob, I take it you don’t have elderly parents who can’t evacuate due to health living in Florida.

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  26. Mike:
    Sorry. Been busy. Thanks for asking. I escaped to Dallas with my daughters that live there, but as you probably know, Harvey veered off to the east, leaving Corpus Christi with only minor damage. My home had a bunch of tree branches in the yard, and a fence that needs repairing, but otherwise my home is fine. Rockport did not fair as well, and I know a few people that had some major damage.

    Mike – glad to hear you and yours are safe.

    Best to you,
    Anna bloom

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  27. Thank you Bob…..you’re a good man and one of these days we WILL get together. Just returned from Santa Fe. Didn’t see Fenn this time but lots of talk around town about his credibility (or lack of). I’d like to challenge him to a lie detector test but I don’t think he would go for it.

    bob:
    hey Tom, you got me feeling your frustration but I dont know what to say. only thing I can think of is when Forrest said…”lets both consider ourselves winners.”is because you are a winner in that you found the treasure being the great outdoors of New Mexico. and Forrest is a winner because his poem led you to the treasure.

    i know is not much consolation, sorry.

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  28. Eric:
    New to the hunt. But I’ve quickly come to the conclusion the hunt has gotten a little stale. So here are some new possibilities: is HOB a reference to the Brown Scapular? Not the original location, but the new one sited about the time Forrest hid his box – and near a meeting place near, or far.

    Blaze – “belays”

    Mike- is this Eric Ashby the missing guy in Colorado?

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    • THE LOCATION
      Meadow at Goose Lake, Red River New Mexico

      Clue #1, “Begin it where the warm waters halt”. The longest chapter in Forrest’s book was about his experiences in the armed services and Vietnam. Vietnam is surrounded by warm waters, the tears shed at the Vietnam memorial are warm and the word “halt” is a military expression. Would Forrest do all of this without including some reference to Vietnam? I don’t think so.

      Clue #2, “Take it in the canyon down”. The Vietnam memorial sits high atop a hill. Traveling from the memorial down the driveway to Route 64 takes you into the canyon……turn left and head north towards Eagle Nest and Red River.

      Clue #3, “Not far but too far to walk”. From the Vietnam memorial to the location of the next clue (Home of Brown) is 9 miles. “Not far but too far to walk”.

      Clue #4, “Put In below the home of Brown”. Eagle Nest Lake, nine miles from the memorial is stocked with Brown trout. Keep in mind that Forrest is an avid & passionate fisherman. Going from the memorial, head north.

      Clue #5, “From there it’s no place for the meek. Meek is a fossil. Keep in mind that Forrest is an archeologist. No Meek west of Eagle Nest.

      Clue #6 The end is ever drawing nigh” As you are entering the town on Red River there is green sign that says “End” on it. You are at a fork in the road and to your immediate left are the Red River horse stables. You have to make a U turn at the fork and head up the road to the next clue.
      Dictionary Nigh: (of an animal or vehicle) being on the left side:
      to be astride the nigh horse.

      Red River Horse stables on your immediate left.

      Clue #7, “There’ll be no paddle up your creek”. You will be on a rocky, dirt road. Goose Creek runs from top to bottom of mountain as does the trail to Goose Lake. Trip from top to bottom is approximately 1-hr.

      Clue #8, “Just heavy loads and water high”. there are multiple heavy duty electrical power lines crossing the dirt road you turn off to and up to Goose Lake road…..”heavy loads”, power loads. Just after crossing under the power lines you have to drive thru a small pond as you head to the trail and location of the treasure at the top of the mountain, below Goose Lake. Both the pond and Goose Lake are references to “water high”.

      Clue #9, “Look Quickly down your quest to cease” Look down from the parking lot into the meadow, Clue, your effort will be worth the cold” Sure, with little ground cover in the colder months, the meadow, blaze and treasure become identifiable.

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      • PART OF Tom H posting 2014……..

        This may get a little confusing but think with me. If you reference Forrest’s comments about his flight pattern and details when flying in Vietnam, follow this on a map “All you need is a good map” of Vietnam and match it up to a map of New Mexico it all comes together. In Vietnam Forrest took off from an airstrip and flew north. He put in there below the Home Of The Brown Navy, the river boats in Vietnam. He flew north to the 11 o’clock position into Laos……Laos/Taos. Are you with me?

        Taos? Remember Forrest talked in his book about Olga and spreading her ashes over the mountains on Taos. He say’s flittered and later in the book says “there are other clues sprinkled in my book”. Yes…..he sprinkled her ashes over one of the most beautiful places I have ever been…….a huge meadow just south of Gooose Lake in Red River. When Forrest was asked where he would hide a treasure he replied in “The Place Of Peace”. Olga’s resting spot is the place…….the location of the hidden treasure.

        After I was certainI had located the area I used Google Earth to figure out how I would get up there. In doing so I discovered some very interesting things. Remember I said some things had double meanings……Goose Lake is at the base of a beautiful mountain…….ironically name Gold Hill. If you google Earth the photo you will see a picture of a large tree trunk marker at the top of Gold Hill. This was my first blaze alert and I looked “quickly down” into the meadow. Back to the road up there…..I discovered there was a trail…..trail 66. You need a jeep or ATV to get up there. Can check it out on Youtube.
        Back to the blaze…….and here’s my proof. When I zoomed in on the meadow on Google I came upon a photo taken in the meadow. I cannot post this as the photo is copyrighted. You can however find this yourselves. When looking at the photo I thought I saw something and blew the picture up. sure enough there it was…….the treasure chest under a small tree. There is even a bird sitting on top of it. The tree is clearly the blaze……stripped tree bark, white. In total amazement I proceeded to compare the markings on the chest in my blow up photo with other pictures of the chest. Bingo……I was able to positively identify it!!!!!!!!! Regarding the location…….Forrest also said he would hide the treasure in the past and present with a river stepping stone between them. Thats exactly what he did. When you walk from the parking area thru the words and down into the meadow which is well hidden you come upon the small creek filled with stepping stones. The past is the meadow, the present is now……the parking lo and the blaze is right behind that area.

        I hope by now the people that made the negative comments are giving this some serious thought!

        The treasure was sitting on top of a flat white rock, probably taken from the creek. Forrest was smart to position the box on an angle for rain to roll off. The box was masked by growth which Forrest hinted about when he posted pictures of his back yard and discussed whether the growth was flowers or weeds. He said “us gardeners” which leaves me to believed he planted things around the treasure to hide it better. While I’m talking about his postings let’s look at multiple references to tobacco. Yes…….one of the most well know tobaccos is called Red River. His other postings also included clues such as Remuda which is clearly a reference to what the blaze looks like. He talks about it having warm clothing. This relates to the poem……Your efforts will be worth the cold. Note that is would certainly be easier to locate the treasure in cold weather as there would be less growth covering it. The area has very soft ground, marshy and it might be easier to walk around when it is not as soft.

        Back to our search…….We arrived at the site on July 26, 2014. We were looking for the wide open area with the single tree as depicted in the photo. By doing so we completely missed it as there had been quite a bit of growth around this area and it did not look like the spot in the photo. It is a very large area, the altitude was killing us, I had bronchitis and we made the mistake of not identifying other markers in the background on the Google photo. We thought this was going to be a quick find and therefore took a short rental on the jeep. We had to get it back and could not use our cellphones. We left empty handed.

        When I got home I reviewed the video I took coming down into the meadow. It almost dropped dead as there, in the last few frames of the video was the blaze. My brother and I both had other trips planned and could not make it back to the location until my brother did on Saturday 9/20. To our disappointment the treasure was gone and so was the blaze. My first Hope was that it had already been found before we were there on July 26. I would certainly feel better knowing I wasn’t 50 feet in front of it.

        I wouldn’t be sharing these comments and making these statements unless I was sure the treasure was not at this location and the blaze was no longer there. It appears that the person who found the treasure cut off the trunk and may have it hanging over their TV. Or, someone came along later, after the treasure was found and took it. Regardless, The only thing that remains is the flat white rock Forrest laid the treasure on. In the original photo there were two (distinct size) dandelions in front of the rock. I have before and after photos with the same two dandelions……but no tree (blaze) in the later photo…..gone. I also found it interesting that in a scrapbook posted by Forrest following my revelation Forrest was talking about makeng Christmas decorations out of nature objects. Included in his comments were that he enjoyed using things from nature “especially dandelions”

        If you wish to continue your search we wish you the best of luck. We have shared what we have found and know. I will be posting my personal pictures but cannot post the Google photo for reasons previously noted. Go see for yourself and you decide.

        Regards…..Tom & Jim

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        • MORE………

          Why was Forrest talking about and showing tobacco related photos in an earlier scrapbook/Vignettes ?…….Red River Tobacco…..Red River NM.

          Why did Forrest say there were searchers within 500 ft. of the treasure? From the parking area to the location in the meadow is 500 ft. I measured it!

          Why is Forrest showing us pictures of his garden? What’s with the pictures of lavender flowers? Forrest asks….are these flowers or weeds? What’s with the flat white rocks in the picture? What does Forrest mean when he says “us gardeners”. The growth under the blaze in the meadow is clearly different and thicker than the surrounding ground cover. Forrest, the gardener apparently did some planting under the blaze to better cover the target in the warmer months…..”You’re effort will be worth the cold”. Easier to identify the chest in colder weather.

          The Santa Fe conference scheduled for October 2014 was cancelled shortly after I shared our findings with Fenn. Here, Dal is making a statement that as far as he knows the chest has not been found indicating he doesn’t know why the conference was cancelled. He goes on and clearly notes that he does know why. Somewhere on his site he made note around this time indicating that he needed to make a trip out west. From that point on I always felt Fenn called an emergency meeting and that Dal along with Fenn’s grandson Shiloh took a trip and a shovel to Goose Lake in Red River……………..

          “Forrest’s health is fine. As far as I know the chest has not been found but Forrest would know about that long before me. Anyway, that has nothing to do with why we cancelled.
          All is good.
          We just ran up against a roadblock that we couldn’t get around with the conference. As you know, we’ve been working on this for about a month and it looked like all the duckies were properly lined up..
          But something came up today and there is no working around it…so the event had to be cancelled…
          I do not see the possibility that it can be restaged this year so it’s off till next year at the earliest..
          I am not at liberty to discuss what went haywire..
          but it’s nothing to do with Forrest’s health or desire to have fun with us.
          I am truly sorry…I was really looking forward to this”.

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        • EVEN More…….

          My mistake was letting Forrest know where I was searching and my feeling he wasn’t happy about the photo of the treasure I found on Google Earth after figuring out the location. I was sending Forrest e-mails and he was answering all of them almost IMMEDIATELY!

          In one of his last e-mails to me (after years of doing battle) he said “Let’s both consider ourselves winners”

          I should have known not to trust him as he once said he was not giving away any more clues. After meeting with him in Santa Fe….as I left he said to my brother and I “I’ll give you a clue” and did. “Don’t be looking at the sky. Keep your eyes on the ground”. Pretty much what a pilot needs to do while flying a plane.

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          • hey Tom, you got me feeling your frustration but I dont know what to say. only thing I can think of is when Forrest said…”lets both consider ourselves winners.” is because you are a winner in that you found the treasure being the great outdoors of New Mexico. and Forrest is a winner because his poem led you to the treasure.

            i know is not much consolation, sorry.

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  29. I got tired of reading comments on Dal’s blog when searchers there were comparing the deaths of Randy and Paris to those of any hiker or fisherman or kayaker that gets killed doing what he or she loves. I do not agree that the deaths of Randy and Paris are the same thing at all.

    the hikers reward is arriving at the trailhead, getting out of the car and enjoying the great outdoors. then there is the hike itself, exercise, alone time, walking in natural beauty hoping to see and possibly photograph wildlife. the fresh air. so even if the hiker gets mauled to death by a bear, he has died doing what pleases him or her. the hiker goes to their grave doing what they love.

    the fisherman also has his reward arriving at the spot he believes will produce a fish on the end of his line to battle. selecting the proper gear the fisherman, as soon as he steps up to the river to make that first cast, has found the treasure. he doesnt even need to catch one single fish. like the hiker, if attacked and killed by a mountain lion or drowning in the river they will go to the grave doing what they love.

    same for the kayaker or canoeist or motorcyclist or wildlife photographer. whatever the great outdoors inspires you to do.

    and here is the difference in my opinion…the fenn treasure hunt is not inspired by a desire to hike nor fish nor kayak nor canoe nor motorcycle ride nor wildlife photograph. the fenn treasure hunt is inspired by greed.
    the bronze box is a bribe. and while the hiker and all the rest have REAL treasure to be had, Randy and Paris will have died in vain because the bronze box is not in the wilderness to be found. the only reward Randy and Paris could have possibly gained is the bronze box and nothing else.
    time will tell.

    IN MY OPINION!

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    • Ha Ha! I saw some of your comments as Dodo Bird, Bob. LOL! That’s good stuff.

      I should start a new personae…like Dingle Berry. 🙂

      There are so many new Scrapbooks from Forrest at Dal’s. I can hardly keep up…especially since I have a ton of work to do these days.

      The new Scrapbook about Pony Ault and Graciella is very intriguing to me. There is so much there that it’s difficult to grasp it all.

      I’d love to know the “Back Story” of Graciella. Who was She?

      www.lesleyhumphrey.net/lessons-key3-yield/old-betty-war-pony

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    • blog buzz…..scraFFbook 183 features the painting- “the scream” as the last photo. oddly enough compare to my “a fun, safe side trip” thread which also features a yellowstone ground squirrel …..screaming.

      go figure.

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    • hey everybody. im sad.
      i think the mushroom cloud you saw off the coast was dodo bird being nuked by Dal. i tried to bribe Dal with a box of Omaha steaks, but it didnt work. most of my posts didnt even make it on the blog and the ones that did showed up 24 hours after i wrote it. and, the ones that showed up 24 hours later were not noted in the “recent comments” column. so nobody ever saw them. what in the world can a dumb old dodo bird possibly say that could cause such censorship? I dont get it.
      I got real mad and accused Dal of sending my comments to FF for approval. Dal said- “prove it you dumb old dodo bird!” of course i cant prove it, so i gave up. Dal and Forrest can really work an audience. they dont need me. i’ll just keep scratchin and peckin around ….see what i can raise. lol

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      • Hello, Bob.

        Hang in there and don’t be sad. I don’t think Dal’s a big fat meany. He must have his reasons.

        Look on the bright side…and consider the likely possibility…that what you’ve dug up is a bit too close for Dal’s comfort.

        Maybe. Just sayin’…

        I wouldn’t worry about weird things happening at Dal’s. Whatever is going on there will probably come to light one day. I say…probably.

        “There are strange things done in the midnight sun
        By the men who moil for gold;
        The Arctic trails have their secret tales
        That would make your blood run cold…”

        Oh…wait! Wrong story… LOL!

        I meant to say that Karma always has a way of coming back around full circle…

        …even for Big Ol’ Dodo Birds. 🙂

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYTrIcn4rjg

        Hang tight, my Friend…and don’t get your feathers rufflled.

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        • thanks for that video JC. im with you, Dals blog is for the birds. its best if i dont land in the middle on the wire causing all the little chicks to come my way. if Dal allowed me to speak freely, they would just peck me to death anyway. just like the video. mocking and ridicule why, i can get all i need of that right here at home at Mikes blog. thanks again JC my feathers arent ruffled at all. thanks wolf too.

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          • Ha ! I am glad to see you guys still around. I couldn’t post here for the longest time, technical difficulties.

            I like the Omega man idea. It works for me from what I know of Forrest. He just wants to see us all do our best at whatever it is that makes us happy. I love that, don’t you?
            I will try and remember to read here . I have been worrying about our government. Doesn’t look like that will change anytime soon. Argghhh !

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          • Hello, Deb.

            Isn’t Mike Great? I’m happy to see the A-Team reuniting. And it’s also nice of the A-Team to let me hang out. I can only hope to be on the y-team…or maybe z-team.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD6ghskNKa8

            Regarding some of your other comments, Deb, I got to thinking about Scrapbook 172…The Sound of Bells…over at Dal’s…and Our recent Independence Day Celebration. I also thought about Forrest’s clarion call to “Sound the Bell Loudly”.

            So…I went looking for a video of The Liberty Bell ringing…because I don’t think that I’ve ever heard it in real life…especially not in person.

            Then I got distracted by this…

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83XAgsl_Gg

            …which is certainly not The Liberty Bell. I just thought it was cool…and probably cold to the touch.

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  30. Well ol VGBoss is back in town…..over to Dals blog today. guess he will make over to mikes soon….probably be trouble in town tonight once him an woody bogg an chris yates hook up. they always up to no good. specially on saturday night. i wonder where hes been holed up lately. using words like “methinks” ha! been readin shakespeare or somethin i dont know. im just gonna ignore him til he goes away again. rest of you is on your own.

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    • Thanks for the info, Bob.

      I haven’t heard from VGBoss in a long time. I’ll have to mosey on over and see what’s been goin’ on all this time…I reckon. I mean…methinks. 🙂

      Maybe he’ll be like Stan Lee and make a cameo appearance here like you said.

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  31. wow! scrapbook 173 has it all….indians, cowboys, art, guns. everything at the buffalo Bill Center of the West. ole FF even talks a bout a buddy name o bill. imagine that.

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  32. Hello, All.

    Even though the banter is a little slow here…(or maybe it’s just me) 🙂 …there are still some eyebrow-raising topics happening on other sites.

    Like this one…for example…

    mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/315/omega-man

    Which made me think of this…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzahJRRCmPw

    www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/police/omegaman.html

    And I totally agree with jl’s comment… Forrest “should do an old spice commercial”.

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    • I just listened to that song all the way through. It’s been years!

      Sting sings over and over…”I’m so tired of the Omegaman”. LOL!

      Which is certainly not the message I would send…if Forrest is, in fact, the Omega man. 🙂

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    • Good Morning A team, Everyone enjoying spring weather? I’ve been absent a while working on other projects. Good to see you JC1117 – followed you to chase chat to engage my brain on Omega man comments. Here’s my two cents…

      Forrest is a complicated individual with more complexity and brain power than I’ll ever understand as a TTOTC participant. It would be fun to hear what Peggy and his daughters think of this conversation.

      Omega – yes. reasoning: Forrest built a successful gallery partially on promoting deceased great western artists, but moreover Forrest thrives on assisting others with achieving their dreams. Cases in point – Glenna Goodacre, Wolf Pogzeba, and of course Eric Sloane.
      “Seventeen Dollars” and FF’s memoirs pay tribute to the people Forrest loves and also those who have influenced him.

      Alpha – yes, but only when needed or called upon.

      With twin genetics running thru ffs maternal family, who knows…mayhap he inherited two peoples DNA. After 4 years of doing my best to study Forrest and follow the Chase, nothing would surprise me.

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      • Arthur Teems on March 14, 2017 at 12:21 pm said:
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        I have solved FF poem and I did it in one day! My name is Arthur Teems and I live in Florida. So I am a long way from the Rockies. I am going to lead you right to the treasure. Begin it where warm waters halt. That took about 5 seconds for me. The deepest warm water well above Santa Fe is Pagosa Springs witch goes into the san juan river. The river halts at the El vado Dam in New Mexico hwy 84 and 112 not far from there but too far to walk is Coopers El Vado Ranch. Google there web site and then click on record trout . Now you know where the home of brown is. The put in spot is just below Coopers El Vado Ranch witch is also the home of Brown. I found the same wording in the old BLM land maps for the Rio Chama. They have put a new one on the web site now but it said the put in is just below Coopers. From there it is no place for the meek. That is because it is a class 2 or 3 rapid. the end is ever drawing nigh There’ll be no paddle up your creek just heavy loads of water high. This is where the Rio Chama meets the Nutrias river. I could imagine both of those rivers at full stream back in the day when F.F. was a fishing guide on the river. heavy loads! Now the best part where the treasure is> If you look on the BLM land for the Rio Chama on the web. Then look up maps it has a Legend Look at the Legend and look for Trail The Trail is the Blaze and it leads just south of the Nutrias river to a no camping zone. I f you go back to the legend you will see where you can camp private and public lands in pink. The trail is a single dotted line. Know I have never been to this site I know I told you all that I found it and I believe I have. At this site there is a parking lot and at the north end of the parking lot I think the Trail might go across water. The trail leads back towards the Nutrias river. If you have been wise and Found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease. So here me all and listen good. Your effort will be worth the cold. If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold! So I have tried to get there twice on the road that F.F. took the 303 off 84 , You would need a 4 wheel drive. Back to the gold. It will be worth the cold if you are brave and in the wood! I think it is in the tree roots in the water or you have to swim through the tree roots like I said I have never been there but I did get a live satellite feed the first day I was looking and I believe there could be a small cove here. Anyway take a wet suit and maybe a rebreather or an airplane oxygen tank a mask and a bright flash light or two. I don’t know how deep it is or how far under the land you my have to go. Remember F.F. was a fighter Pilot He could hold his breath for a long time. At 80 years old. Hope you guys find the gold and if you do I need a new Truck and a plane about 70 grand total Arthur Teems 12274 Crusader pl. Port Saint Lucie Florida 34987 Good Luck I was going to give it to the Smithsonian!

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        Arthur Teems
        on March 14, 2017 at 1:01 pm said:
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        The River starts flowing may 1 better get there before that! The water will be all muddy!

        (Quote)Arthur Teems on March 14, 2017 at 12:21 pm said:
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        I have solved FF poem and I did it in one day! My name is Arthur Teems and I live in Florida. So I am a long way from the Rockies. I am going to lead you right to the treasure. Begin it where warm waters halt. That took about 5 seconds for me. The deepest

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  33. New to the hunt. But I’ve quickly come to the conclusion the hunt has gotten a little stale. So here are some new possibilities: is HOB a reference to the Brown Scapular? Not the original location, but the new one sited about the time Forrest hid his box – and near a meeting place near, or far.

    Blaze – “belays”

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  34. Well, after a brief devised conversation with Forrest tonight, I got to thinking. I went to Dals site scrapbook 166 and read the 20 minute alter comment “Twenty minutes later, we were driving home” First off that isn’t a photo of San Lazaro. I will explain later. Second it is 20 minutes latitude from San Lazaro to a spot in Santa Fe.

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  35. Forrest Fenn mentions of Eric Sloane……But he was a dichotomy.

    Funny, I thought I posted this on TTOTC but I had a window open on Dals site and made a post. I thought I was banned.

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    • I started the chase on March 28th 2013. I first discovered the treasure on June 11th 2014. It has been so fun, I cant wait to give it to this place where I now play. Last week I put the fist clue on the wall. This place was saved for another historically event and I prayed that it will happen. Now picture that.

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  36. The Wolf:
    Hi Lia,
    Actually I don’t think many know of Florence, but allow me to explain the anomaly. The strange Unabomber (Brett spelled it “unibomer”) reference is definitely a hint imo. Ted K. is in a max security prison in Florence, CO. Then a day later FF posts the Gucci/Walmart warning. Gucci was created in 1921 and is headquartered in Italy, Florence Italy. Remember that strange Q&A from Italy, where FF says he loves the Italian people?

    Then there is SB107 where he mentions Walmart again, but that envelope has the address covered by a pen. What does the address say? 1921 Florence. Now that is just a little too much of a coincidence.

    So what is the scoop with Florence? It means to Flower, FF has asked what colour is the daffodil before? Is this the flower or is Florence something else?

    Hi Wolf –

    We have somewhat differing opinions on what Florence means – let’s see if I can explain mine.

    Frank Lloyd Wright at one time, lived very close to FLORENCE – and ya all know he was a great architect. Alice Walton (Walmart heiress) built her museum and called it CRYSTAL Bridges. (remember the Crystal Radio). Alice purchased a FLW house and moved it to her museum. Now her father, Sam drove a Red FORD pickup truck for a long time and refused to buy a new one. After all, he said, the old one runs just fine. (Ford truck in SB) Now you may be saying so what – OK one more thing that I have never told before. When you get to the right spot – and do some research on the people who live there – The Kids live in a special house – Oh yes, a Frank Lloyd Wright House. One of the Kids got married on a special date – (this is why the photo on the most important chapter in the book MWFM – has a wedding photo) What is that special date – The 4th of July ! OK now you really do remember all those 4th of July Stamps….(SB)……right ! All of these things tie together and make perfect sense to me. You are going to HAVE to use FLW and Alice Walton in your final solve. And you do that with the stamps. Oh and there is a number that refers to a member of this family and it is found in TFTW in one place. It is a most special number and will absolutely blow you away if you find it.

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    • JC1117 & Wolf – Hope you are both doing well; glad to see your familiar smiling voices here. Sting song was new to me. Great song.

      Wolf, I’m not the sharpest tool in the fennian shed. Would you kindly help me understand who Florence is or what is significant? Thanks friends.

      Also grateful for the new posts from forrest at hod and MW. He’s a generous man to continue putting such thought into fresh, new material for our enjoyment & mental exercise.

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      • Hi Lia,
        Actually I don’t think many know of Florence, but allow me to explain the anomaly. The strange Unabomber (Brett spelled it “unibomer”) reference is definitely a hint imo. Ted K. is in a max security prison in Florence, CO. Then a day later FF posts the Gucci/Walmart warning. Gucci was created in 1921 and is headquartered in Italy, Florence Italy. Remember that strange Q&A from Italy, where FF says he loves the Italian people?

        Then there is SB107 where he mentions Walmart again, but that envelope has the address covered by a pen. What does the address say? 1921 Florence. Now that is just a little too much of a coincidence.

        So what is the scoop with Florence? It means to Flower, FF has asked what colour is the daffodil before? Is this the flower or is Florence something else?

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        • Wow, Wolf.

          Those are some strange coincidences. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have made all those connections.

          To be honest…I didn’t even have my Sherlock Holmes magnifying glass on the word “Florence”…let alone my Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring.

          Seeing as how the headquarters of Gucci are in Florence, Italy then it has to mean something.

          Maybe Forrest is directing folks’ attention to the word “Italy”.

          Forrest clearly wants us to decipher what “It” is in the poem…and “why?”…and we won’t be successful unless we understand the “why” of “all” of “It”.

          Italy = It al y = It all why.

          Doesn’t help ME much. I’m about as good at geography as this guy… :/

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDqXZsAypHA

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          • Wolf & JC 1117 I forgot to mention Florence’s fleur de lis and Walmart’s fully bloomed flower* logo; perhaps w&m art on the wall could be significant.

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          • And when that guy was asked how you spell stupid individual he replied by spelling his name:
            I-D-O-T.
            What do you say we give him the missing I ?

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        • Thanks Wolf, Very kind of you to help me understand possible associations.

          Still not ringing an exact bell with me. Here are a couple thoughts..Guccis famous signet is 2 interlocking G’s; Florence Italy’s coat of arms is a Fleur de lis; Florence is the birthplace of the Renaissance, Opera, tenors, cinema, home to greatest museums, famous artists, architects, composers, poets.
          How Walmart is connected to 1921 Florence…hold your breath…wait for it…here it is!!
          www.walmart.com/ip/A-Wanderer-in-Florence-1921-The-Ponte-Vecchio-Poster-Print-by-Harry-Morley/165741697

          LOL! I got nothing;-)

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        • JC1117, if “it al y” then
          Shall we conclude we must include Latin version of “y” which is “E” into the equation? Or “why = perché” or Spanish porquet?

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        • Wolf, I forgot two possible Florence connections:
          Patron St John the Babtist whose Saint day is 6-24. Florence has twin city – Bethlehem which imo has hod/hob implications.

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  37. The Wolf:
    It appears a few searchers have been aware of this technique, but are now spilling the beans since FF let us all in on it. But why would he do that and expose the work of the few who had known?They must be unhappy.

    I have a theory, dating back to stern and “Information please” but can’t prove it yet

    Thanks Woff,

    Though I’m not banned on CC. Admin will not let me respond to comments. So I will respond here.

    You are right in your theory.

    Thanks for the compliment.

    Mindy is not correct in her response back. There is no Midas, and there is no Woman with a child.

    There is a crying woman somewhere else,, not on the dust jacket.

    Your are right about the “Information Please” scrapbook.

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  38. im a little worried after reading a couple of murmurings at Dal’s blog. i see mention of the Boy Scouts. now who would be dumb enough to take the thrill of the chase to a bunch of red neckerchief wearing kids? out tromping around in the woods, working on “merit” badges. if one of those rug rats stumbled on to the bronze box its over. they should concentrate on making bird houses and helping little old ladies cross the street.

    i think

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        • Hello, All.

          A photo would be “nice”…I reckon…unless it’s like so many of the bigfoot-esque, blurry, goulash of pixelations I commonly see attributed to “the exact spot”.

          I would like to see some video…with some decent definition…if you can actually afford a decent smartphone.
          Don’t expect any from me anytime soon…especially showing an exact spot.

          And my apologies to Tesuque…if he momentarily thought I was mocking him with my “bigfoot-esque” description. Sorry, Tesuque.

          I should have written “bigfoot-ish” or “bigfoot-like”…but…Alas! It was too late.

          “The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
          Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
          Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”
          ? Omar Khayyám

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          • Gee JC1117 – mayhap Omar Knows “Nor”. I think she must have gone back to reality in the non-chase world.

            Just stopped by ttotc to say hello. How is your family? Praying all is well with you and yours. Glad to see a few old timers still around.

            Take care.

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        • Hi Lia! im not an old timer. say, did you hear Art found the bronze box? yes…right where FF said it would be. isnt that something? we havent told Art that he is supposed to find the chest though, i dont want to upset him. and i dont even want to discuss the treasure. soooo confusing.
          bye Lia!

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          • Bob –

            They seem to be coming out of the woodwork………this is from Facebook……..

            .?Meghan Belaski? to Michael Moore
            November 14 at 10:06am
            Team Michael Moore…I sent a message yesterday about contacting Mr. Moore’s publicist, agent, legal team etc., in order to leave a message with each about how Mr. Michael Moore could contact me regarding the Forrest Fenn treasure I’ve found. I tried most of those numbers and they were super sketch.

            I didn’t leave any messages, so now I’m contacting you all through Facebook again doing precisely what I said I would not do by asking someone from your team to please contact me in a private message on Facebook through my personal FB account under Meghan Belaski, even if you have to “friend” me, or by email at:
            meghan.belaski@gmail.com

            I assume this will not be posted, but if it is, whatever. I’m not afraid of not checking my email if it gets overwhelmed by my Forrest Fenn freaks. I barely check it now anyway. I do have a portion of the Forrest Fenn treasure, the other part has been with the feds for over a year now, and I have yet to inform Mr. Fenn of my total findings at this time. Just some of them.

            I thought I would have more time to formulate a way to slowly release this treasure and shocking information to the public, especially because I thought I would have a Hillary in the oval office, and this would go a lot smoother for everyone involved, but that is clearly not the case, and quite frankly, this is what was meant to happen. Just like this. Because this is when it counts and will actually mean something to people and will shock the world awake.

            Without a doubt, I need Michael Moore to help me disseminate this information quickly and succinctly to only the Faithless Electors before December 19, 2016, in order to change the Electoral College outcome when the final votes are cast on December 19, 2016. After December 19, 2016, we can tell the public and media what it is that I found no matter what the Faithless Electors decide. I promise you what I have, and what I know, will change everything. Please contact me as soon as possible and I will share with Mr. Moore and his legal team only for the time being, what I have in hand, and what I am willing to put on the line to change the course of the future for us all.

            Thank you!

            -Meghan Belaski

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          • Interesting intel, Inthechaseto.

            Meghan has some interesting ideas. Enough to make a person say, “Hmmm”.

            She wrote, “…quite frankly, this is what was meant to happen. Just like this. Because this is when it counts and will actually mean something to people and will shock the world awake.”

            It is as if she thinks Someone is ultimately in control of how things turn out. I would assume she’s talking about the Big Picture without overriding individual (man’s) free will.

            www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+10%3A15&version=KJV

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          • Thanks for your response JC.

            I went to her FB page and she seems to be a nice person… She says she has half of the treasure and the Feds have the other half.
            This makes no sense whatsoever to me. I do think she is another one to think her solve is so correct – that she went off the deep end.

            As you probably know – my solve has a beginning – a middle and an end. Not once in anything I found – did it lead me to anything from the bible. It does however, lead me to FF’s grave. In the end he tells you about it and it is funny.

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          • inthechaseto- im sure there is nothing Meghan can do to shock me. lol

            i didnt vote this election because i didnt like any of the “presidential” candidates. over the years ive figured out that there are forces that guide our lives we have no control over. the president of the US is not one of them.
            sorry meghan.

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    • I stopped trying to figure out who it’s about. Everyone thinks he is talking to them, then they project it across the internet. When in doubt don’t blurt it out ? No, keep it under your hat and don’t let your head explode . LOL

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    • Well she just posted about the photoshopped arms in the school pic of TTOTC. Are we to believe it is a coincidence that both Bonnie and Mindy happen to come up with these very interesting discoveries?

      Take a look, a real good look at that pic. Then there is the cover shot of FF hand in pocket. The length of hand in pocket is not proportional. I didn’t realize FF had a three inch extension on his left hand. 😉

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      • ok crickets, how about all those “L”s on the t-shirts of the school kids? In the same photos, those photoshopped arms make a “Y” (Mindy says “V”). Bonnie says she knows the L=Y.

        Coincidence, too much imagination? Some will think or should I say hope so. I find it too much of a coincidence. No one has ever talked about the pictures (drawings yes) like Mindy, now Bonnie shows up.

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        • Wolf- i have mentioned the altered photos in regards to the feet of individuals. nothing else matters to me as far as photos go. photos are an integral part of a scrapbook, this is the reason for the scrapbooks at Dal’s blog. to raise photo awareness. just take (a photo) the chest and go in peace!

          i think

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          • It appears a few searchers have been aware of this technique, but are now spilling the beans since FF let us all in on it. But why would he do that and expose the work of the few who had known? They must be unhappy.

            I have a theory, dating back to stern and “Information please” but can’t prove it yet

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  39. Mindy brought up an interesting theory where apostrophes in the poem are replaced by the real letters and then used to form “Hawaii ha” or Hawaii ah”

    This happen to intersect with something I have worked on for over a year and it brought it a little close. I talk about it on my latest blog post:
    tinyurl.com/hx6bqla
    I decided to go deep – real deep with this one, to area that I find fascinating.

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  40. blog buzzes! scrapbook 159….forrest says quote- “I love your story Kristen. Once again I am reminded of why I wrote the book and hid the treasure. f ”

    and then we get a nice search story from Kristen with photos…indeed she did take (photos) the chest (the great outdoors) and go in peace. thanks Kristen for sharing your adventure. and reminding Forrest that this was his goal. who needs a bronze box with these kinds of riches laying around waiting to be discovered? next stop Alaska!

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  41. To all of our Florida and east coast Searcher Friends……..

    I wish you well in the upcoming storm……….may you all
    be safe. You will be in my prayers thru this difficult time.

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  42. blog buzz! i just saw at Dal’s blog that Jonesy was the winner of the latest “contest” yes contest in quotes, i dont call them contests….isn’t finding the bronze box contest enough? or have the lightweights at Dals thrown in the towel and are content with the other silly little “contests”.

    can someone explain to me how Jonesy won? i dont understand. now Ken, i do understand the inner chipmunk thing yeah, thats cute. but hey theres lots of things i dont understand. comes from being dumb i guess. ive learned to get by though. for instance…..i recently made application to the state of Florida to be classified as homeless. they denied my application. just what in the hell am i going to do now if i cant be homeless? move to Mars?

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  43. IB1:
    Evidence, historical image 2012 on GE shows offset stone alignment. I’ll post a video and show that and where the other clues are or were.

    Stephen Jack
    AKA IB1

    I found the Tresor de Panacée
    journal-la-mee.fr/2131-conseil-general-le-tresor-de.html

    Who is bob?

    Tom H said
    “Following what I believe (what I believe) Fenn (more likely his grandson and or Dal) did take back the chest. ”

    Why Grandson?

    ‘allo IB1, chief inspector Clouseau here……the evidence you provibe dates to 1841ad…heh heh heh. this cannot ‘ave any bearing whatsoever on Fowwist Femm. the treasurre Pannece’. of course this is an attemp by yourselve to mis direct.

    now, as to your question….who is Bob? i can say this….in a nutshell, he es a nut. what else could possibly be found within a nutshell eh? addition, in my expert opinion ‘e is living the proof that imagination is indeed more important that knowledge. time will tell my freind, time will tell….au revoir.

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    • You did not read the correction, Panancée II
      date 2 November 2002. Relevance, I”d like to say more specifically about methodology.

      I just went over to Fenn’s site to check something,
      www.oldsantafetradingco.com/
      I’m sure he referred to WE when saying the chest was still there. Everything regarding the Poem has gone as well as the chest. Do you doubt my solution?

      I think some one owes my a chest of gold, I do not believe the person or persons that have the chest solved the poem.

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      • Bob my subconscious says I missed something.

        What type of nut are you?

        Just an after thought, Panacée II was an interesting experience, as I declared the treasure and took a massive financial hit. I would have preferred to have kept the treasure and catalogued the coins, but all that now remains of Panacée I is 10 coins the exact location of which is not known. What do you do with a load of coins?
        As soon as they are scattered they loose part of any meaning they have.

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      • PROBLEM:
        Poem + Map = Bronze Breasted Beauty.

        SOLUTION 1:
        If you didn’t find the chest you didn’t solve the poem.

        SOLUTION 2:
        Whoever found the chest solved the poem.

        ANSWER:
        No one owes you anything. Ergo, you get Omega x Omega. AKA ZERO ..

        Brad

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  44. bob:
    IB1 the only way that no one will never stumble on to the bronze box in the wilderness is that it (the bronze box) was NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH!sorry for shouting but im convinced of this.

    Have to disagree, too much evidence points to it being there.

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    • Cheif Inspector Clouseau- ” allo IB1, chief inspector Clouseau here….obviously you are using a code name…IB1….so with all due respect I must insist you turn over this evidence of which you speak IMMEDIATELY! also, are you…Scotland Yard? or perhaps KGB! yes? mmmmm INTERPOL? no? ahhhhhh…MSS! you cannot be DGSE for you are not found in my rolodex. I will remind you at this time that H.R. 5710 Homeland Security Information Sharing Act requires you to pass along any and all evidence you may ‘ave in your possesion to all other law enforcement agencies which I , chief inspector Clouseau am in fact a representative of said agency. good day sir yes.”

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  45. Tom H:
    The more Fenn stresses the point “it is there” only raises doubt……IMO

    Tom- here are the “IT’s” and their locations…..

    poem chest- draper museum
    treasure chest- national parks
    treasure- his special place for burial
    chest- the bronze box or, the chest at the draper museum (depends on context of statements)
    bronze box- the Fenn home vault

    so he is in fact being truthful whenever he says “it’s still there”

    i think

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  46. IB1:
    There is a large hole in Fenn”s master plan, it relies on the finder informing him that they have the chest.Having thought about the ground clues I found, I think the tin can from the fire may have been placed at the same time as all the other ground clues, mainly due to the fact the label on the can had completely decayed. This leads me to two points, has Fenn ever been back, and if he has did he remove the chest?I do believe the chest was place where the ground clues point but the fact that they were not disturbed is a big loose end. Some one may have stumbled right on the chest but if they re-orientated themselves from the Owl like I did the first point they would come to would be the camp fire by the large pine tree.

    If Fenn does not change his statement from the chest is there to probably found then a conclusion that he took back the chest becomes more likely.
    Why would he do this?
    To make a legend?

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    • Following what I believe (what I believe) Fenn (more likely his grandson and or Dal) did take back the chest. Why would he do that? …….one of two things…..he knew it was going to be discovered soon and didn’t want that to happen or he felt the GE photo I discovered (after I determined the location) was unfair in the game. People can believe whatever they want. I respect that. Just explain to me how the tree (what I believe was the blaze) was in the GE photo with the chest underneath it and now both are gone.

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    • Following what I believe (what I believe) Fenn (more likely his grandson and or Dal) did take back the chest. Why would he do that? …….one of two things…..he knew it was going to be discovered soon and didn’t want that to happen or he felt the GE photo I discovered (after I determined the location) was unfair in the game. People can believe whatever they want. I respect that. Just explain to me how the tree (what I believe was the blaze) was in the GE photo with the chest underneath it and now both are gone.

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      • Tom- i think the bronze box was never there. someone manipulated the GE you see to make it appear as though it was there. just like the photoshopping that goes on at Dal’s blog, and the touched up or covered up photos in the book TTOTC. buy why, is still the big question.

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    • IB1 the only way that no one will never stumble on to the bronze box in the wilderness is that it (the bronze box) was NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH! sorry for shouting but im convinced of this.

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  47. blog buzz!!! scrapbook 158….
    just before the comments begin on this scrapbook, there is a link to see the other items in the bronze box. I clicked on the link and found items listed in groups. among them is “Golden Frogs”. there are two frogs shown, both photos have been photoshopped and there is some discussion by searchers as to the reason for the touch-up. they talk about the frogs “arms” or “legs” being covered up but nobody says anything about feet. many photos in TTOTC are done in this way….altering the feet or completely removing them. because the blaze is feet.

    i think

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  48. JC1117:
    Great question, IB1.

    I can’t recall Forrest, himself, ever saying that the chest is gone from the correct place.I have heard a lot of bloggers suggest it.

    However, I HAVE heard Forrest say that it IS there and we should believe him.

    Furthermore, he asks all those who doubt him, “What more can I SAY to you that would make you believe me?”Then he’ll offer to take you there in person…but if you’ve heard him make that offer then you know how THAT will end. LOL!

    So, for now, we have to take him at his word…which I do.After all, this is his Show…and he’s the Top Brass.That’s all the proof we got…until somebody finds that treasure.Then maybe others will have something to say.

    ok JC 1117- you know ah luv ya but listen….you use the word chest in your first sentence and the word treasure in you last paragraph. so, which is it? chest or treasure? these words have several meanings. are we to assume we know which meaning you intend by implication? huge mistake, and that is the mistake all searchers are making.

    i think

    (just need to get this off my chest JC, not slamming you because you are my treasure.) lol

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  49. JC1117:
    Interesting solve, IB1.Thank you for sharing it.

    I like your use of an Owl as your interpretation for “If you’ve been wise”.Very clever…and out of the box.

    While watching your video on YouTube I did a search for an Owl that’s IN the box…and wishes to get out of it.His name is Hedwig.@1:17

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AgJnlt_gAM

    Of course, Owls are everywhere in those books/movies…for example, at the top of the page @ 1:01.I noticed that a few moments ago because my 4-year-old daughter wanted to watch it.In fact, she’s watching it right now.She asked to watch the first movie last night.

    I have a question for you, how does one prove the chest has gone and this is the correct place?
    For example will Fenn every admit the fact?

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    • Great question, IB1.

      I can’t recall Forrest, himself, ever saying that the chest is gone from the correct place. I have heard a lot of bloggers suggest it.

      However, I HAVE heard Forrest say that it IS there and we should believe him.

      Furthermore, he asks all those who doubt him, “What more can I SAY to you that would make you believe me?” Then he’ll offer to take you there in person…but if you’ve heard him make that offer then you know how THAT will end. LOL!

      So, for now, we have to take him at his word…which I do. After all, this is his Show…and he’s the Top Brass. That’s all the proof we got…until somebody finds that treasure. Then maybe others will have something to say.

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        • There is a large hole in Fenn”s master plan, it relies on the finder informing him that they have the chest. Having thought about the ground clues I found, I think the tin can from the fire may have been placed at the same time as all the other ground clues, mainly due to the fact the label on the can had completely decayed. This leads me to two points, has Fenn ever been back, and if he has did he remove the chest? I do believe the chest was place where the ground clues point but the fact that they were not disturbed is a big loose end. Some one may have stumbled right on the chest but if they re-orientated themselves from the Owl like I did the first point they would come to would be the camp fire by the large pine tree.

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  50. from scrapbook 158 at dals-

    Forrest finds an older photo of the bronze box on an old laptop and states….”it shows the treasure chest” notice he uses the phrase treasure chest. and the last sentence states – “Now the treasure is hidden in the mountains, patiently waiting….f” i can reword this reveal the true meaning…..”Now my special place is hidden in the mountains, patiently waiting for you to find it….f”

    this treasure is not the treasure chest.

    i think

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    • this from Dal’s blog on the homepage…..

      “More Caution! Forrest himself is a master of the double entendre. He chooses his words very deliberately. More than once I have run off suffering from the belief that I had brilliant new information about where the gold is hidden… In fact, I did not pay close enough attention to the precision of his words. He specializes in letting you believe something he never said. (I told you he is clever)”

      end of dals comment.

      this is what im talking about from scrapbook 158.
      In the line…”Now the treasure is hidden in the mountains patiently waiting…f” there should be a comma after the first word “Now”. and then the line looks like this….”Now, the treasure is hidden in the mountains patiently waiting….f

      see the difference? with a comma after “Now” there is a hesitation in the reading. a shifting of gears. it should be read with the hesitation and an emphasis on treasure. so it looks like this… “Now, (hesitate) the TREASURE (talking about something else here) is hidden in the mountains patiently waiting…f”

      this is how I apply Dal’s warning of caution.

      i think

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  51. I hope this will be posted as I have had some difficulty on some sites

    This is the solution to the Poem. I can say that with certainty because

    1. The solution fits with all clues and information given out by Fenn.

    2. I found the ground clues

    a. 2 stone alignment of park boundary.
    b. 2 stone offset stone alignements.
    c 2 burnt pieces of wood point to a convergence.
    d. 2 Rope burnt wood alignment.
    e. Can in hidden camp fire.

    The chest was hidden at approximately 5000ft next to a animal track just inside a park boundary over looking the Madison River. Fenn said you would know when the poem was solved, the blaze makes it very obvious but some people just can not see what is before them. The hard part for people to grasp is that the treasure is not there, and proving a negative is very difficult. I have the feeling some people enjoy the grave train they are on and will try and suppress anything that will upset it. However there are some things I do not have answers for, the ground clues were there along time, 5 years for the ropes with out a doubt, but they were not disturbed in any way. I know some one had been there but how come they left the clues completely untouched?

    The Solution

    Begin it where warm waters halt – Kitchen Sink Rapids.
    And take it in the canyon down – located in a canyon.
    Not far, but too far to walk – Some distance to…
    Put in below the home of Brown – the Brown green house, shed and home.

    From there it’s no place for the meek – tough going be careful of the bears.
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek – need to go up a dry creek.
    Just heavy loads and water high – hydro electric

    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze – Wise Owl
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease – direction of search
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze – If you fully understand this then you are certainly in the right place. 200x100m ancient face of Owl looking up.

    10 clues!

    My interpretation of ‘tarry scant with marvel gaze’ is this is the true motivation for this poem. Fenn had an uneasy relationship with the heritage establishment, this is him pointing out their neglect of what is a true triple ‘A’ historic site and as I say in the video not a ‘B’ lister of the last 200 years which has not stood the test of time.

    I’m loading a new version of the search video with boosted sound. this is the old version the new one should be up later today

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ynp3kQSHc

    IB1

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    • Interesting solve, IB1. Thank you for sharing it.

      I like your use of an Owl as your interpretation for “If you’ve been wise”. Very clever…and out of the box.

      While watching your video on YouTube I did a search for an Owl that’s IN the box…and wishes to get out of it. His name is Hedwig. @1:17

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AgJnlt_gAM

      Of course, Owls are everywhere in those books/movies…for example, at the top of the page @ 1:01. I noticed that a few moments ago because my 4-year-old daughter wanted to watch it. In fact, she’s watching it right now. She asked to watch the first movie last night.

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  52. Hello everyone, I am very excited to announce that my 5 year old niece Leighton will be running with her school in the annual Terry Fox run tomorrow 18 Sept, to raise awareness for cancer research.

    Anyone who donates to cancer research or to her run page will receive a free book Finding Forrest Fenn.

    Read about Leighton and Terry Fox here bit.ly/2cuOwjd or visit www.findingfenn.com/single-post/2016/09/17/Run-Terry-Run

    Please give generously and make a difference. Run Leighton Run!

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  53. Did you see the flash of of the headliner of this very web site – on The Today Show this morning as they were discussing Forrest Fenn. They know which web sites are important !

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    • Hello everyone! I saw the ttotc site flash also.
      I’m still out here keeping up with any updates, but just don’t comment like I used to. Had to step back. I’ll get back out there to search again one of these days.
      Take care everyone. 🙂

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    • inthechaseto- yes, i saw it too…made me shudder. i’m not the celebrity type i prefer to remain in the background. we have to find a new place to hide now. looked like the header from mikes blog, and old santa fe trading, forrests site along with one other i couldnt make out, i was focused on mikes blogs header as it floated by like in a dream. i dont think they (nbc) know this website is important though.
      did you hear forrest slip up? he said why not let peolple come “look at it” for 500 years after i’m gone…and then corrected himself with “look for it”. he said “look at it” like in a museum.

      also the reporter (Janet Shamilan) asked forrest about being in his will as an inheritance, and forrest replied no there is nothing in his will about the whereabouts of the treasure.

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  54. blog buzz! Dal posted today that he went to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West! where, he says Forrest went alone in there and with donated treasures bold. hmmm. i dont trust Dal. I would have to see it for myself. Im not even sure it was Dal who made the post because there is no mention of the cafeteria! also he makes no mention of the Draper Museum of Natural History. very strange indeed. Next he’s going to the dinosaur museum at Thermopolis. take the chest and leave the bones please Dal.

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  55. bolg buzz!!! someone at Dal’s posted a link to another article about the disappearance of Randy B. this one deals with using computer algorithims to locate missing people. its complicated i wont enlighten you here today about the details. but, if you read the article check out the next to last paragraph where the writer states…”4,000 people go missing in the US every day.” Oh My God! i did the math and this means every one in the US will be missing or dead in 230 years! HELP!!!!

    the math:
    325,000,000 (us population today) divided by 4,000= 81,250 days divided by 352 (days in a year) = 230 years.

    if everyone is missing who will look for us?
    is this FF’s diabolical plan to keep his treasure hidden for 1,00 years?
    stay tuned.

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  56. Things are getting weird on The Chase lately. Yesterday my IP address was “blacklisted” over at Chase Chat.

    Good thing, too…I reckon. Their intell must be dug in real deep.

    I was moments away from uploading a virus into the mother ship…

    …which would bring many to their feet…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGdoqBxqZuw

    …dancing.

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  57. this whole “clues did not exist when he (FF) was a kid” discussion is driving me nuts! if only I could post at Dal’s blog….sigh

    FF is talking about the Buffalo Bill Center of the West.
    the building you visit today did not exist in its present form when he was a kid.

    good god people, its so easy.

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    • Hey Bob…..

      They’re intellectuals ya know. They don’t understand a red neck with 12 kids and a red pickup truck. I really like what Wolf said………it’s Seekers school.

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  58. Forrest Fenn says:
    August 31, 2016 at 10:41 am
    Please don’t count me out yet. I’m just easing back a bit and walking much more than sitting. It was a needed change and the effects are already being felt. Tesuque dug a mushroom and ate it without knowing the rules. The resulting seizure lasted a few hours, but now she’s back to chasing chipmunks again. Hopefully she learned from the experience. f

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  59. Blog Buzz! blog buzz!
    they say Forrest is taking a break. well i guess if you dont know how to relax at age 86 you probably wont ever figure out how to. relax that is. so now we will just see how many aliases he was using. just watch Dals and see who disappears. ha!

    hey FORREST! dont croak on us you old frog.

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  60. So does anyone own this blog anymore ? I was under the impression that Mike was looking to close it down . Did Forrest pay Mike to keep it up? If so it could become what it once was , a great place for people to talk about the chase.

    I understand Mike doesn’t believe in the chase , that he thinks there is no treasure. That’s the last I heard anyway. So what say you ?

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    • Deb – I have not talked to Mike about the blog lately. I don’t believe anything has changed. If Mike does not believe in the chase anymore, I would hope he would keep those opinions to himself and let the rest of us (who do believe) have our fun. I did meet with him late last year – and at that time he was still on the hunt.

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      • I rarely come here – just because Dal’s always pops up first – but if Mike does decide to offload it, someone contact me g mail and let me know — I will pay to keep it running ..

        Brad

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    • Deb- what say me? first tell me what you mean by “treasure”. and yes I recently emailed Mike four times and got no response. I say a few years ago this blog was started by Dal for Forrest.

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    • Hi Argus33 –

      Yes, he has said that a few times now, but do you think by now he has defined the difference between a clue and a hint? A hint is something that guides one toward a clue. A clue moves you to the final destination. I could be so wrong as I don’t think he has ever given a clue – only hints. The only hint that might have moved one – is the 10,200 ft one.

      Argus – have you made a journey out in the wilds to find the TC? Do you have a final solve? Nice to see you here !

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      • Hey Inthechase; Yes, I’ve actually been haunting this forum for a couple of years now. I’m in northern Wisconsin and have made two separate search trips down to New Mexico. I have come up with a couple of, what I think to be, pretty interesting insights into this amazing Chase Mr. Fenn has gifted us with. In the past I’ve been pretty fast and loose with my thoughts, discoveries, and insights, and you can read them if you feel like scrolling through these threads into the past a good bit… I’ve posted them on here in order to sort of bounce them off the minds of folks who I know take this as seriously as I do. Sort of an, “I’ll show you mine, if you show me yours” regarding possible solve intel. But lately, I’ve been playing it a little closer to the chest if you know what I mean. I discovered something in the poem that blew me away. Something that no one, in any chat forum or blog has ever pointed out before. I believe it to be my discovery, and I’m rather proud of it. I think it’s important. It’s either a major, intentional message placed in the poem by FF, or else frankly, it is one Hell of a coincidence. I already shared it on here awhile ago, but it wasn’t met with much discussion or enthusiasm. That sort of troubled me, because like I said, I think it’s important. Anyway, I’ll show you what I found and maybe you’ll have some other piece that together with my info could unravel this mystery and lead us both to The Shiny Happy Money/Jewel Box. So. Here it is;

        Line three of the fourth quatrain…

        “But tarry scant with marvel gaze,”

        Now read it out loud slowly, focusing not on the words, but rather on the sounds as you interpret them phonetically.

        This is what I hear; “But Arie’s can’t with Marv, L. Gay’s…”

        Now. ARIE Beatrice Simpson was FF’s maternal grandmother. His father went by Marv. Marv married Lillie Gay Simpson Fenn. “L. Gay’s”.

        I’m sorry, but there is no way that this is coincidence! This is important. I share it here again now in the hope that you or someone else on here can help me build on this obviously intentional play on words. I have more, but I’m waiting for the right person to share their insight or intel with me that will build on this discovery.
        So there it is. I can be reached privately at 666friend33@gmail.com forgive the three sixes in my email address. It was an accident and a long story. I’m not some kind of devil worshiper!
        I really want to find this before Forrest passes into history. I want to stand there and thank him as I return his bracelet with one hand, and shake his with my other. 🙂

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        • I think sometime people do not respond because they either like an idea and believe in the concept and do not want to bring attention to it.

          With that said, I have read the poem similarly, however if I take your example and do less to the letter change from the poem, you get:
          “Butt Arie’s can’t with Marv L Gays.”

          I definitely had homed in on Lilly Gay Simpson before, I just can’t make sense of the “can’t” – what do you think it means?

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          • Hey Wolf,
            I just want to say I believe you are one of the people that have been to 200′ point of the chest. I also believe I know who the woman that was also that close in the beginning, and no it was not Stephanie. This lady posted on Forrest blog at one time. I’m not saying the area it’s to much of a giveaway but it was in your travels not your solves. If it sounds like I might have the poem solved, well I believe I do and I also believe I know why and how people were at the 200′ point and went right by it. I don’t want to come off cocky it’s that I have a lot to share in time about this chase. Also there is a reason why I’m not at the solve area but that’s ok because I don’t believe it will be found anytime soon so I have time. Well I will check in every now and then with some more input. Everyone stay safe in your travels. Bur

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          • Wow Bur that is something you do not hear everyday, someone suggesting another for being with 200′. I will admit, I do not think it is Stephanie as well. I sure hope you are right so you can find it and make me feel bad – lol Actually I would like to be in the club, so hurry up and make it so!

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          • I don’t personally know Stephanie, I’ve never met her, and I don’t know exactly where she has searched, but I have read some of her ideas and I think pointing Stephanie out as the only one out of 20,000 searchers “not being within 200 feet” is a little inappropriate, considering neither one of you have found the box either. None of you know for certain whether you have or haven’t been within 500 feet, let alone 200 feet. If you want to believe you have – or that someone else has – that’s fine .. I have no problem with encouraging another searcher in their efforts .. but don’t belittle someone else’s clue solving skills. Considering the number of searches she’s been on and her extremely creative out of the box ideas (at least the one’s I’ve read) the possibility that she HAS been within 200 feet is at least equal if not greater than most. In fact, her train siding solve fascinated me and I used it as part of my very first search in the middle of February 2015. I thought it was unique, completely different from everybody else’s and exactly the kind of thought process a fighter jock with Jungle School experience would use ..

            Stephanie is probably one of the BEST searchers in the whole group and deserves more respect ..

            Brad

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        • Wow Arguss –

          Amazing – a new find here after all these years.. Good for you ! You listened good.

          First, that made me think of Forrest saying something like – no one has talked about a certain thing.

          Here is his web site which has Grandparents Galore….

          www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/grandparents-galore

          I have always found this interesting because at the end of the story – his grandpa dies while shaving with his hat on. Also there is that scrapbook – about the hat.

          I am not sure where this is going to lead…………….yet.

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        • That is interesting Argus 33 when you break it down and reveal the word can’t , which can mean slope, slant ,on the edge ,it makes me wonder if there might just be something there, it might take some imagination Forrest called her the personification of gray in grandparents galore , Aries is an Aries astrologically which makes her a sheep, I’ve thought about maybe the Greybull river in the Big Horn Basin he talks about Comanches in that story and they originally lived with the Shoshone.

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        • That is interesting Argus 33 when you break it down and reveal the word can’t , which can mean slope, slant ,on the edge ,it makes me wonder if there might just be something there, it might take some imagination Forrest called her the personification of gray in grandparents galore , Aries is an Aries astrologically which makes her a sheep, I’ve thought about maybe the Greybull river in the Big Horn Basin he talks about Comanches in that story and they originally lived with the Shoshone.

          49 dollers:
          That is interesting Argus 33 when you break it down and reveal the word can’t , which can mean slope, slant ,on the edge ,it makes me wonder if there might just be something there, it might take some imagination Forrest called her the personification of grayin grandparents galore , Aries is an Aries astrologically which makes her a sheep,I’ve thought about maybe the Greybull river in the Big Horn Basin he talks about Comanches in that story and they originally lived with the Shoshone.

          Oops I meant to say she was a bull astrologically.

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          • Removing the coma and go with “cant” then we have “to set at an angle. ”

            Arie is also synonymous with the first point of aries or position of the vernal equinox or first day of spring.

            I like the direction this is going.

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  61. bob:
    wolf- nobody is going to say India. just get it overwith.

    Geez Bob,

    Perhaps this is Forrest’s answer to you…………

    Posted on August 12, 2016 by Jenny Kile
    thrill of the chase treasure Mr. Fenn, you’ve undoubtedly met countless numbers of us searchers (via email), is there anyone who stands out in your mind, and if so, why? ~ Doug

    Many stick out in my mind Doug, but especially the fictitious little girl from India who Jenny invented.f

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  62. The Wolf:
    Hey Into, who is your Ed?I like Ed.

    Wolf ,

    You know Ed……..he usually hangs out in the barn…….except when he’s having drinks with Bob at the bar………..Ok you can sprinkle me with thyme now – I need it.

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      • Wolf – I don’t have a clue who your Ed is…..
        A member of riders of the sage? Naw……
        Give us more hints…………………

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        • inthechaseto and wolf- you both are talking about mister ed the supposedly talking horse. its funny to me how a wonderful invention like television was used to fool everyone in the early days. and the tradition continues. sure, it was funny when Lucy Ricardo was fooling Desi. but its not funny when it happens to you.

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          • Yes, Bob –

            I’ll bet he knows your wrabit very well………..Did you ever read his theme song? Here it is……….

            “Hello, I’m Mister ED”

            A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
            And no one can talk to a horse of course
            That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

            Go right to the source and ask the horse
            He’ll give you the ANSWER that you’ll endorse.
            He’s always on a steady course.
            Talk to Mr. Ed.

            People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
            But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.

            A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
            And this one’ll talk ’til his voice is hoarse.
            You never heard of a talking horse?

            Well LISTEN to this.

            I am Mister ED.

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        • and, inthechaseto did you know they had to torture that horse to get him to talk? they put peanut butter on the roof of his mouth. mr. ED hated peanut butter.

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  63. inthechaseto:
    Awh….Harvey – I can see him sitting there in that bar with you, all white with his big pink ears.I wonder if he talks to Ed.Ed doesn’t talk very much – only when he has something important to say.

    inthechasto- it’s been a while since i hit one out of the park…..feels good.

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    • Wolf –

      Loved your new article as I not only love the old west but love the way you write too. All newbies should buy your book……….

      The Sundance Kid is surrounded by mystery.

      Found these entries on Find A Grave (a great site for short bios)……..and I like reading the notes people leave………

      “.From 1905 to 1920 before fleeing to S.A. Harvey Logan lived in Kentucky and West Virginia
      with one of his many wives, he went by the name Doc Franklin Logan..Doc Logan “died” in 1920
      when he joined a local coal company and was “killed” the same week in an “accident” the body
      recovered was thought to be Doc’s but his wife and others were not convinced..his wife,”

      ” Arabella Adams Logan was my great, great grandmother..he is believed by the family to have
      fled the U.S. with Annie Rogers aka Della Moore.
      -Anonymous
      Added: Jul. 27, 2014″

      “Harvey Andrew Logan, aka Kid Curry, did not die in 1904 at Parachute, Colorado, though it makes good local publicity. According to his grandson, he died in 1944 near Rawson, Argentina, married with 8 children. The man killed at Parachute, Colorado, in 1904 was a young Texan named Jim York.
      – Kerry Ross Boren
      Added: Sep. 16, 2013”

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      • Thank you Inthechaseto for continuing to support cancer research. Searching has been proven to be dangerous and gold fever can have a subliminal effect. I purposely included instances of my searches where I encountered these dangerous effects and tried to illustrate the craziness that some searchers will go to find this treasure.

        That is interesting about what you say about Kid Currie, Of course I saw the grave with my own eyes, complete with the story of his death but anything is possible when trying to evade the law.

        What I liked about Kid Curry is his name is “Harvey Logan” and the bracelet that gets lots of attention was owned by Fred Harvey and Fenn Mentions Lee Harvey Oswald in TTOTC. The last reference has other meanings I am sure, but the use of Harvey is curious and worth looking into. Fenn also posed as Billy the Kid in those pictures an mentions Captain Kid, the pirate, thus Kid Curry is easy to connect.

        Train robberies were their specialties and many will note how I have tied trains into many of my searches.

        So many connections and associations, one just needs to see the pattern to put it all together

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        • Wolf –

          Wow , look at all those Harvey’s…..hummm so interesting….and then the relationship to Jackie.

          In the past….I took a very good look at everyone except Lee Harvey Oswald…….and did not use them in my solve. I’ll go take a look at him now….

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          • Harvey and I have things to do…we sit in the bars….have a drink or two…play the jukebox. Very soon the faces of all the other people turn towards me and they smile. they say: “we dont know your name mister, but youre a very nice fellow.” Harvey and I warm ourselves in these golden moments. We came as strangers- soon we have friends. they come over. they sit with us. they drink with us. they talk to us. they tell us about the great big terrible things theyve done and the great big wonderful things theyre going to do. their hopes, their regrets. their loves, their hates. All very large because nobody ever brings anything small into a bar.Then I introduce them to Harvey, and hes bigger and grander than anything they can offer me. And when they leave, they leave impressed. The same people seldom come back, but thats- thats envy my dear. Theres a little bit of envy in the best of us. Thats too bad isnt it.

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          • Awh….Harvey – I can see him sitting there in that bar with you, all white with his big pink ears. I wonder if he talks to Ed. Ed doesn’t talk very much – only when he has something important to say.

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          • research all the real Harveys you want…i’ll stick with the imaginary ones. because imagination is more important to the chase than knowledge.

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        • Wolf –

          Remember FF’s story on the spices – Sweet Fragrances…..he does not mention the common spice – curry.

          I took at look at Lee Harvey Oswald,,, and he does fit my initial criteria. But and that’s a huge but – I have to find more than one hint to use him. I didn’t use anyone without at least three hints………and then it’s gonna upset my apple cart………..geeez.

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          • inthechaseto- yes i remember sweet fragrances…but didnt FF also write that some of the fragrances “crinkle his nose”?
            implying that some of the fragrances stink. like feet.

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          • Another good spice is Thyme
            Thyme was also used as incense and placed on coffins during funerals, as it was supposed to assure passage into the next life.

            Also given to knights and warriors

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          • Wolf –

            Now I know more about “curry” than I ever wanted to know….lol

            One of the most commonly available curries in Thailand is massaman. Thai curry is characterized by meat, fish and vegetables in sauces created using spicy pastes.

            To experience many different flavours, be sure to visit Phuket. Affordable flights to Phuket are easy to find and there’s a lot to see and do in this intriguing city. Don’t miss the Phuket Aquarium or the Chalong Temple.

            Oh and guess what – it comes in red, green and yellow.

            BTW – the British are the number one users of curry in the world.

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          • Hello, All.

            All this talk about curry is making me hungry.

            I love curry. I think it has great favors…

            …especially a spicy, sweet green curry made with coconut milk and lots of bell peppers.

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          • “Owl,” said Rabbit shortly, “you and I have brains. the others have fluff. if there is any thinking to be done on this Forrest–and when I say thinking I MEAN thinking– then you and I must do it ! ”

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  64. inthechaseto:
    49 –

    Thanks for your post here and at Jenny’s – I’ll bet you where surprised when FF answered you……

    PS – California is beautiful – I miss it.

    PSS – I did tell Forrest I was from Calif. and his answer to me was _

    You’d better move to Colorado because California is going to fall into the ocean.

    True story…………………

    Hmmm , I remember him saying to another searcher that Colorado was a good place to search from, it happens to be the state I’ve searched the least. Dag nab it. 🙂

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    • Yep 49 – but you’ll not hear him say that in public. He avoids Colorado – usually. He avoids it like the plague in the book. It’s one of the reasons I thought it might be right. He came real close to my spot in one of the scrapbooks and I called him out on it. I said to him, you really ARE getting a little to close to home – talking about that………………no response…………..

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  65. bob:
    hi 49. i can give you my two cents worth even though it aint worth a plug nickel. these are the good ol days! right now!

    Hey Bob, inthechaseto, what do you think paddle means is it “switch” or” switch back ” since June did everything right
    What is a paddle? Pg 40, ” and if there was no movement, we both got SPANKINGS…..Father liked Skippy best and I knew when he got a LICKING anything could happen after that. So I’d just stand there and wait for my TURN at the PADDLE. After four of five times the SPANKINGS began to work for me.
    June never got SWITCHED because she probably did everything RIGHT.

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    • 49- the paddle was a midwestern term for anything mom or dad could grab to deliver the spanking. some “paddles” are- dads belt, a large spoon or spatula, a 2 by 4, furring strip, baseball bat, anything handy to beat the devil out of you.

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      • Boy are you right Bob – my mom’s paddle was a coat hanger.

        A paddle was also called the board of education – which was usually hung on a wall – with those words on it.

        I guess we all have a 4 yr college degree by now….

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      • I used to try and hide a book in my pants before it was my turn at the belt.
        ol Bessie switched her tail and knocked Forrest off his stool , he used the term swished in the book which is incorrect. Might be an aberrationa, hint to look closer.Peggy always said she would rather switch than fight, thought that was strange, seems to be alot of switching going on.

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        • Yes, a switch – a hefty switch aroo is needed in the solve…………….if not – your gonna be wrong.

          What’s the right word for swished that FF should have used………….?

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        • At least he told us from the beginning he was going to be 85% right. 🙂

          When he bends – is when you have to pay attention.

          When I went on my first search – I came upon a twig – actually part of a bush that had been tied across the trail. It was a deer trail on the side of a mountain – and I was walking across the mountain – wondering when I should go up…..the switch was tied across the trail. If you went up at that point it was and is a short cut.

          twig is an acrostic in the poem….

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        • 49- the word swished seems correct to me, since i was raised in Kansas..

          the hint to look closer at Bessie and me is to direct your attention to the capital F hidden under the knot in Bessies tail, where it is tied to the stool. thhe other capital F is hidden in Teachers with ropes. the two capital F’s consist of the blaze (trail marker) look quickly down from each capital F and you see feet. many feet.

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    • “So I’d just stand there and wait for my TURN at the PADDLE. After four of five times the SPANKINGS began to work for me.”

      49 – nice quote, if you turn 4 or 5 paddles in an ever drawing nigh fashion, thing do start to work.

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    • Hi 49 -]

      Saw that you posted this at Jenny’s…..

      Posted on March 26, 2015 by Jenny Kile
      Forrest, you have stated that several searchers correctly identified the first two clues in your poem.
      Could you tell us how many searchers to your knowledge have correctly identified the first clue correctly? Thanks. ~49 Dollars

      No 49, I cannot tell you how many searchers have identified the first clue correctly, but certainly more than several. I cannot imagine anyone finding the treasure without first identifying the starting point, although many seem to be preoccupied with later clues. To me that’s just expensive folly. f
      …………………………………………………
      I have a question for you – do you have a good starting point – and have you had BOTG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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      • Hey inthechaseto I’ ve had several different starting points, one in Idaho before Fenn eliminated the state, though I still have tried to use it and stretch it into Montana , another was Sunshine reservoir outside of Meeteetse. Not behind adam, madam, I mean a dam, ruined that. I have others but have not searched this year, Ive had BOTG several times, I do not have the confidence I now require of myself to put BOTG, unless I just want to spend time with nature which I treasure anyway, but I live in the Ca. foothills so I don’t need to travel to the Rockies to find breathtaking scenery.

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        • 49 –

          Thanks for your post here and at Jenny’s – I’ll bet you where surprised when FF answered you……

          PS – California is beautiful – I miss it.

          PSS – I did tell Forrest I was from Calif. and his answer to me was _

          You’d better move to Colorado because California is going to fall into the ocean.

          True story…………………

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          • hello inthechaseto good day to you, history shows that California will not fall into the ocean. in fact, a whole new mountain range will push up out of the ocean just off the west coast creating the next great salt lake where the coast is now. extending the land mass of the US.

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      • Hi Bob you are a die hard ttotc blogger, l like that ,I’m a bit of a loner myself, I’m not into all the drama the other blogs are full of these days, and yes you are correct these are the good ol days, sometimes I just need to be reminded, thanks! Yea Bob I just need to know where warm water halts, I can take it from there.

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    • Agree 49 -Dal’s site is heavily moderated and it has become the “School of Seeker.” I can’t post in good conscience on CC anymore. Just too many multiple accounts and disturbed men posting under women’s names. PW is famous for that tactic and Bet’s treatment of Mindy and he sick mother was just too much for me. Moderators that belittle posters who have positive thoughts. There is just too much evil on that blog and Stephanie just encourages it.

      Only two blogs of value this one and MW. Maybe the A-team will reemerge.

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  66. Lots of traffic today due to the newpaper articles on Randy. RIP

    Welcome to any newcomers – don’t be afraid to post – we won’t bite – I promise.

    Recently there has been lots of talk about horses……yes, indeed I do think horses are involved in the chase in several places. Take a look at William Fox-Pitt. Now there’s a clue for you. He had a most serious fall last year and was in a coma for quite some time. He is an Olympic Eventer….and should be in Rio this year. I wish him the best as he said he is a little slower in the things he does.

    Take a look at Lightening in TTOTC book……..what goes with lightning? Thunder of course…….Oh yes, Thunder is a horse.

    And then of course there is Ed………….

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  67. Evening wear Bob ? is that like pajamas ? The old timers club, is that like the people who wear pajamas to Walmart? LOL.

    Bob, it doesn’t matter where we post. I like it here, I don’t like all the rules at Dals. I am not a rules kind of gal. I have my own filters and rarely overstep self imposed boundaries. I may read occasionally at Dals but most of the time find it hard to deal with feeling like there is a guard dog there to keep the sheep in line.
    Baaaaaaaaaaa

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    • hi Deb! you must be a psychic, I was thinking of writing a funny story about how the folks at dals are like cattle or sheep and are being herded. of course we here at Mikes are the cowboys riding horses and trying to keep the cattle from going into the river. because I keep reading on Dals that most folks are searching near a river or waterfall. it proved to be Randy’s undoing.

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  68. Well Bob,

    I am able to access it again – bet you can too……..maybe he just wanted to show some power or maybe things really went haywire.

    This was posted by FF…………..

    “My name is Forrest Fire and I live in Santa Fe because it’s the best place in the world in which to do that. I like to walk up the side of a hill and look back down. My favorite dislike is a dry tamale.”

    I LIKE TO WALK UP THE SIDE OF A HILL AND LOOK BACK DOWN.

    oK oK i’M SMILING AGAIN, if your solve doesn’t have a reason to walk up hill…………and look back down……….you might be in the wrong place. 🙂

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    • He Deb –

      Dal said it was because I wasn’t following the posted rules. I never read those rules….. and I’ve seen other people post FF email and they are not in moderation. I have never heard him so mad. I thought maybe this would last a week = but I guess not. Far be it for me to know what he thinks when he takes what Wolf’s post’s and deletes them………….. It’s his web site and he can play fair or not.

      Today, I went back and looked at those very early posts that we all made. There was Dal, Steph, You, and not many more who are still here. Those were the times when Dal would post something and get 7 responses. All from 2011. The Old Timers Club should be formed and no one else allowed in.

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      • inthechaseto- if i may butt in to your reply to Deb…..an old timers club, thats a good idea. im not an old timer i only started pissing off Dal and Forrest around march of 2013. im a middle aged clubber. i’m sure the reason Dal said he banned you is not the real reason. i did read the rules but couldn’t find the button that says- “I agree to these terms” so there really is no way to hold anybody responsible for what they write. Dal is faking being mad at you. in order to keep playing the game, it has become obvious to me what is necessary to do is to be like the ones Dal and Forrest admire. those at the present are….Desertphile, Cynthia, JD, pdenver, and a few others. I read Dals blog regularly and i dont recall seeing any post you made that could justify your banning. the one huge problem you do have, is talking to me. I’m the bad guy, the antagonist, the trouble maker. since i’m urging searchers to come down out of the mountains and into the museum* I am seen as evil. yes, evil….heh heh heh. forget about YOUR boots on the ground and look for HIS boots on the ground, by the chest.

        *draper museum of natural history

        try writing up a nice, cute little search story about the wilderness, and email it to Dal with nice pretty photos of flowers and streams an i’ll bet you will be back in the club. oh, and make sure to thank FF for providing you with the incentive to get “back to nature”. and remember that none of it has to be true.

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        • Thanks Bob –

          Somehow you made me feel better –

          I could write some made up story about how I found my spot – but I won’t do that. I am a Sagittarius and we have a very hard time telling lies. Fiction would not be my forte as far as writing goes.

          I really am going to start giving away more clues – if I can’t find it – I want it to be found by somebody…….and soon.

          I know that FF’s father owned a resort in Colorado. No one seems to know that. Did Forrest go there – of course he did. Was it a special place – yes. Did he have friends there? Yes.

          There was a questions at Chase chat asking about what was most important to ff…………

          My answer would be : PEOPLE

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          • hey inthechaseto we might want to tidy up a bit here at mikes blog…in trying to get on Dals i get a message that says “forbidden” wow didnt know i was that special. but then, Bur told me he gets the same message. we may get a flood of visitors here very soon.

            I’ll change into evening wear.

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          • bob:
            hey inthechaseto we might want to tidy up a bit here at mikes blog…in trying to get on Dals i get a message that says “forbidden” wow didnt know i was that special. but then, Bur told me he gets the same message. we may get a flood of visitors here very soon.

            I’ll change into evening wear.

            Bob – Looks like we’ve all been put in the tank……Ha Ha Ha

            I’m getting the same thing ….forbidden…….

            I’m calling to order a party here. 🙂

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  69. Message to E(star)
    I responded to your post on the Coriolis effect/ants at HoD, but as predicted Goofy and or Dal deleted it. I guess it was too revealing and they decided to keep the information for themselves.

    I just want to let you know that I had solved the Coriolis Ant aberration a few weeks ago and the answer explains why Mr. Fenn thinks the Andrew Briggs has some of it right. More later…

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    • Wolf –

      I just read your thread over there and would be interested in hearing what you found – could you post it here?

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      • My intention was to start a discussion to help the reader come to the same conclusion.

        Pilots understand Coriolis effect very well. It derives predominate wind direction. Interesting there are null areas in Global wind patterns one is know as the horse latitude which is at the tropic if Cancer (interesting connection). The horse latitudes got its name from the seamen parading a effigy of a horse around the deck before tossing it overboard. Thus the term beating a dead horse.

        The point is winds are reversed of mirrored in the southern latitudes and many people believe the Coriolis effect tells which way the water spins as it goes down a drain. The effect has been proven wrong and spoofed in the Simpson episode when they go to Australia.

        Fenn did the same thing with the ants, hinting the ants are effected by Coriolis force. Then he made an even more outrageous statement which had Goofy stumped because he refuses to believe Fenn does not hint.

        This is a good start to the discussion. I will continue if there is interest.

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      • So Coriolis Force is a north- south effect that is mirrored or reversed once on crosses the equator. When Fenn says a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help, Coriolis Force fits that requirement because it determines many of our wether patterns as the spinning earth deflects the wind direction as the zones to air circulate.

        So the question is why did Mr. Fenn say the Coriolis Force is why people drive on the other side of the road in the UK? Remember Coriolis Force is a North – South Hemisphere effect not a East – West. No pilot would ever make that kind of blatant mistake.

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        • hi Wolf! good to see you here today. I emailed Inthechaseto a photo of the coriolis effect as i believe it would pertain to the chest. i cant post the photo here but maybe inthechaseto can show it to you.

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        • Wolf you said –

          So the question is why did Mr. Fenn say the Coriolis Force is why people drive on the other side of the road in the UK? Remember Coriolis Force is a North – South Hemisphere effect not a East – West. No pilot would ever make that kind of blatant mistake.

          I started thinking about my spot and tried to put this effect into it. The best I can come up with is – the path to where you park is in the shape of a backwards “S”. Plus, I would not want to go on part of the road without driving on the other side at one point – due to large boulders (which has now been fixed – but I doubt FF would know that).

          If you want me to send you Bob’s photo of the Coriolis effect – let me know. It’s a good one.

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          • how you like that photo wolf? of the coriolis affect…got you all to thinking maybe ole bob is on to something eh?
            heh heh heh.

            maybe he aint so dumb after all eh?

            heh heh heh.

            maybe he’s right.

            heh heh heh.

            told ya.

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        • Wolf:

          I believe Fenn’s “Coriolis Effect” equals his “Backwards Bicycle Effect” — that is, when he says ‘Up’ he means ‘Down’ and when he says ‘Right’ he means ‘Left’ — however I don’t think it applies every time – like maybe once in the whole poem .. like, for example, Nigh doesn’t mean Left but Right, or Far not Near .. or Up and Down are reversed or No Paddle means Paddle .. could be any word means the opposite of what it says .. in other words, you need to look both directions to find the next clue .. or decipher double meanings two different ways ..

          Brad

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    • What does it have to do with ants ? They climb up and down , not in circles. He has even commented he threw it out there to see who caught it.

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  70. inthechaseto:
    Youalways make me laugh Bob!

    Yes, he’s back over there now….Oh boy – we’ll see what great info is going to be said.I’m betting it’s a total waste of my time.

    in the spirit of friendly competition inthechaseto….i hope so.
    lol

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    • I am just glad to see anyone posting . It’s up to us to decide if we read it or not. I have enjoyed many people’s posts if I believed them associated with the poem . It still comes down to the poem, bottom line . I am not adding that is my opinion, all stuff posted on blogs are opinions.

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  71. hey Inthechaseto !

    second vowel capitalized asterisk is on Dals!

    lets see how long it takes for big e star to get back here…..

    hop to it bunny boy!

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    • Smiling Bob…….

      Did you ever see someone talk and talk — and say nothing? That’s the perfect definition of a bore. I don’t think sh”e” will be back here – What gives her the right to totally dominate a blog?

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      • inthechaseto- h”e” ‘s superior intelligence…thats what gives him the right. simply stellar. I wouldnt make a bunyon on his big toe.

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        • Bob…….

          I think it’s done in a way that anyone could find the answers, solve it and do it. I don’t think any superior intelligence, or outlandish knowledge is needed. It’s possible that might be a hindrance . If you have a computer – you can find the answers to most questions – and not have someone shoving them down your throat in a way that may mislead.

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          • inthechaseto- it is not possible for any one searcher to mislead another. no matter what they say or write or imply. because no body knows the location of the bronze box.

            i dont mind fifth letter large/ twinkle shoving things down my throat because im pretty good at regurgitating those things and throwing them right back. if and when the shining e comes back just ignore it. hopefully i can make you laugh. lol

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          • You always make me laugh Bob!

            Yes, he’s back over there now….Oh boy – we’ll see what great info is going to be said. I’m betting it’s a total waste of my time.

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  72. bob:
    blog biz- hey inthechaseto! are you busy? i noticed on dals you were involved in the discussion about the stamps. i tried to post a photo of kids getting the stamps of which i believe the stamps from TTOTC are a hint to. but, again i cannot post this photo. i’ll try to send it to your email if you want me to.
    heres mine….robertgreene9y53@gmail.com

    Hi Bob –

    Well regarding the photo – you sure nailed it – as FF said show it to a kid.

    So, do only kids get to do that or can adults do it too?

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    • anyone can do it, the passports are in a slot next to the stamping machine.

      all thats needed is to “know the answers FF already knows”

      lol

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  73. blogs buzz’s- whats this? an interview with Cynthia , FF says something about two trips from the parking lot? you mean the parking lot at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center of the West?
    and in one trip a chest?
    and a backpack?

    gosh, there’s a backpack on top of the chest at the Draper.

    golly, can it be?

    and the backpack is used to hide the whole word, leaving only a couple letters showing.

    nawwww… it cant be.
    im dumb.

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      • inthechaseto- OOHHH!!! you got me there!
        no, I dont have where he said that. darn. somebody else said it on Dal’s blog. totally negates my whole line of thinking. i should construe Mr. Fenn’s statements more carefully and disregard those of confused searchers. how bout i just say that FF used a backpack to hide the chest? from wherever he parked the car or airplane or bicycle or wagon or horse or etc. etc. etc.

        but thank you for your reply. it was straightforward and easily understood. I am walking back towards you, see my toes? i will speak to you again now my friend. looks like its just you and me now anyway. everyone else is gone. lol

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        • Bob –

          Glad to hear your footsteps – comin back at me.

          When we whisper – they are listening.

          The last two out of a bastion of many smart ones who have moved on….haha

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          • blog biz- hey inthechaseto! are you busy? i noticed on dals you were involved in the discussion about the stamps. i tried to post a photo of kids getting the stamps of which i believe the stamps from TTOTC are a hint to. but, again i cannot post this photo. i’ll try to send it to your email if you want me to.
            heres mine….robertgreene9753@gmail.com

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  74. inthechaseto:
    Yes, Bob – by treasure I meant the money honey.

    It’s too bad that people don’t know themselves well enough to be just real all the time.

    If I think of anything that might help you – I will post it here in the future – right now I’m stumped.I’m sure you were hoping for a major break thru at the fennborie and am sorry that didn’t happen.

    Well if we gave a party for the folks here,it would have to be a FennForAll…………

    Great idea Inthechaseto! A FennForAll in Cody Wyoming at the Draper Museum. I like that.
    in the meantime, im working on sharing my findings with the redneck from Texas with 8 kids. the ones who were supposed to find the chest. with my help, they WILL find the chest.

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    • That’s good to give your solution to that redneck from Texas – I hope it’s the guy with 8 kids next to me —— maybe then he’ll move,,,,,,,

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  75. Important Notice A-Team, please read carefully….

    I tried via email, but was unable to send Mike, our caretaker of this blog the photo I have of the wooden chest at the Draper Museum. The message displayed on my screen was- “Blocked due to security reasons.” Since I am banned from Dal’s blog I was hoping Mike could send it to Dal for me. To be used in the “I Think The Chest Is Here” thread at Dal’s. As you all know by now I really believe that this wooden chest at the Draper is in fact the chest of Forrest Fenn’s poem. I then sent Mike a photo via email I have from the Oregon wilderness as a test, of course that one went to Mike successfully. I have heard nothing back from Mike. Obviously my computer is hacked and that of itself does not bother me. Not being able to contribute to the Thrill of the Chase does bother me. What harm could possibly come from this particular photo? We all BELIEVE there really is a bronze box full of gold hidden in the rocky mountains for an Indiana Jones type to find. So how is it that a simple wooden chest in plain sight at a museum causes such secrecy? Unless this truly IS the chest of the poem and its waiting for the end of Forrest Fenn’s rainbow.

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    • Bob –

      If you want you could download the photo here. Post the photo to one of the free photo websites online and from there – to here. We all know you think the TC is at the Draper in that wooden box. Didn’t you e-mail FF that — and I can’t remember what happened? Did he respond? If not – how would it ever be found ? Don’t you think someone who works at the museum would find it after hours – and don’t you think FF would consider that …………?

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      • inthechaseto- that photo has been here at Mikes, it was removed. thank you for the idea though.
        and to clarify my thoughts…. no, I do not think the bronze box is at the museum. the wooden chest at the draper is the chest of the poem.
        the Treasure Chest, TC or whatever you want to call it is something else entirely. I THINK the treasure chest, the bronze box and the chest spoken of in the poem are three separate things.

        when FF speaks or writes about a treasure chest he is talking about a national park or the wilderness. there is undiscovered gold in the rocky mountains to be sure in its natural state.

        the bronze box is exactly what FF says it is, probably hidden in his vault at the home in Santa Fe.

        and the chest, singular word here- chest and nothing more…”just take the CHEST and go in peace” is the wooden box at the Draper Museum.

        I will write it again inthechaseto- the bronze box is not at the Draper. I got confirmation of this from the curator himself Dr. Charles Preston in a private email. Dr. Preston got his information from FF himself.

        the poem clearly states to take the chest and go in peace. meaning to take a photo of the chest and leave the museum.

        IN TTOTC the sentence just before the poem states something like, im going from memory here…”so i wrote a poem containing nine clues that will lead to the TREASURE and the end of my rainbow”. so he means treasure as in national park or anywhere special in the rocky mountains, as many have done. and the end of his rainbow is death at which time i believe, the solution to the poem chest will be revealed as the Draper Museum of Natural History. and of course the wooden box at the McCracken display with the letters IN on the top.

        “so why is it that i must go? (die)
        and leave my trove for all to seek (the Draper)
        the answer i already know(the touch screen quizzes at the Draper)
        ive done it tired and now im weak” ( hiked the mountains from 10,000 feet to 4,000 feet)
        which is the Draper experience.

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        • Thanks for explaining that so I can understand it Bob. It’s quite a theory – and no one knows – who is right and who is wrong.

          So, you think he will have to die – in order for the treasure to be found?

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          • inthechaseto- I have a hard time discussing this when you dont clarify what you mean by treasure. i’ll assume by treasure you mean the bronze box. if that is correct, then yes I believe the bronze box location will be revealed at his death. in fact I have made a certain proposal to him in a letter concerning the matter to which I recieved no reply. to date no one will tell me im right, wrong, or insane. lol. by no one, i mean FF, Dal and Dr. Preston. they all ignore me. At Fennboree I was hoping to talk to Desertphile, David Rice but even he was talking in circles. A guy can only take so much of the runaround, know what I mean? I’m using plain english here why do they make it difficult, unless I was on to something.

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          • Yes, Bob – by treasure I meant the money honey.

            It’s too bad that people don’t know themselves well enough to be just real all the time.

            If I think of anything that might help you – I will post it here in the future – right now I’m stumped. I’m sure you were hoping for a major break thru at the fennborie and am sorry that didn’t happen.

            Well if we gave a party for the folks here, it would have to be a FennForAll…………

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          • Bob…;
            All due respect to you in spite of the things I’m about to say here.
            It is my opinion that you are desperately trying to force the Draper as the correct solve. It is also my opinion that people are trying very hard to be kind, and not hurt your feelings in any way. But Bob…? I’m going to drop some “tough love” on you here now Sir; Your solve and all of your very creatively rationalizations are, in my opinion, nonsense and do not add up to the correct solve. You don’t seem to listen to, or hear what Mr. Fenn is saying vis a vis the location of the box of golden shiny money things! I don’t think anyone wants to say this to you, but the reason you don’t seem to be getting replies to your attempts at contact with the Puppet Master or his accomplices is because they are probably tired of trying to deal with your seemingly desperate need to hear the words, “…you’re RIGHT Bob!”. But the thing is, if you were right, they would be quite a bit more communicative and supportive of your thoughts, efforts, and hard work! Man! I’m just going to say it! Your theory…? Your “solve”….? Is just…NUTS brother! It just doesn’t add up!
            So there it is. I’m sorry, and truly don’t want to make you feel bad or disrespect you, but someone had to say it!
            Peace and Happy Hunting!

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          • Bob…;
            All due respect to you in spite of the things I’m about to say here.
            It is my opinion that you are desperately trying to force the Draper as the correct solve. It is also my opinion that people are trying very hard to be kind, and not hurt your feelings in any way. But Bob…? I’m going to drop some “tough love” on you here now Sir; Your solve and all of your very creative rationalizations are, in my opinion, nonsense and do not add up to the correct solve. You don’t seem to listen to, or hear what Mr. Fenn is saying vis a vis the location of the box of golden shiny money things! I don’t think anyone wants to say this to you, but the reason you don’t seem to be getting replies to your attempts at contact with the Puppet Master or his accomplices is because they are probably tired of trying to deal with your seemingly desperate need to hear the words, “…you’re RIGHT Bob!”. But the thing is, if you were right, they would be quite a bit more communicative and supportive of your thoughts, efforts, and hard work! Man! I’m just going to say it! Your theory…? Your “solve”….? Is just…NUTS brother! It just doesn’t add up!
            So there it is. I’m sorry, and truly don’t want to make you feel bad or disrespect you, but someone had to say it!
            Peace and Happy Hunting!

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        • Bob , you do realize David Rice speaks doublespeak on a regular basis ? LOL Try and get a straight answer out of him. Next to impossible.

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          • hi Deb, well i see these guys on camera in interviews. and i dont understand why in person they act like someone else. I just walk away from it.

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  76. this blog buzz comment is in refernce to Wisconsin Mike’s Survey on Dal’s blog….

    Wisconsin Mike did not approach me about his survey at Fennboree. Probably because I tried to avoid him. He’s got a Mitt Romney appearance thing goin on and that scared me. I’m sure he’s an OK dude but I remember when Romney was running for president. He went to a McDonald’s resturant to get lunch while the cameras were rollin. trying to show the viewing public he’s a regular Joe. But, he made a huge mistake…He orders a Quarter Pounder with cheese and then added- “hold the cheese” Wow! Really? That proved he’s not a regular Joe. The Quarter Pounder with cheese is not a Quarter Pounder with cheese if you ask them to leave off the cheese Mitt. DUH! I can hear the guy at the grill when the order shows up on his screen….”say what? A quarter pounder with cheese and leave off the cheese? what that dude gonna do with a quarter pounder with cheese that ain’t got no cheese on it?”
    Don’t worry man just make it, he ain’t gonna eat it. It’s just a publicity stunt. He goin to Red Lobster for lunch when they turn off the camera.

    I think one of Wisconsin Mike’s kids helped me with the map of the USA at Fennboree, she drew in Minnesota and Wisconsin. that was nice.
    But, had I talked to Wisconsin Mike and participated in his survey, I would have spilled the beans. The first clue is where he went alone- the buffalo bill center of the west. and the second clue is the treasures bold- donated gold dust and moose poke, among other items. I guess I would have ruined his survey with facts.

    ” I’ll have a survey please, oh and hold the facts.”

    Ahhhh Fennboree.

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  77. here is the Fennboree schedule for anyone who hasnt seen it at Dals blog…

    friday- opening campfire
    saturday am- movie (what the heck???)
    noon- food, trivia game (whatever)
    evening- another campfire (i guess all the blaze talk makes us pyromaniacs)

    sunday- pancake breakfast

    i’m bringing dehydrated water and sugar-free doughnuts.
    and every searchers favorite…..spilled beans.

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  78. blog buzz!!!
    wow dals blog truly is your one stop shopping extravaganza for treasure!
    the latest “Treasure Hunting With ARCGIS” will produce results quickly im sure. treasure will be found by anyone who uses it. how can you not? with the search map reduced drastically, and the use of thermal imaging at sunset that bronze box is a goner! as bronze will retain heat longer than any surrounding natural substance.

    dont tell those college boys what they really need to find is the chest mentioned in the poem.

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