Bob’s Thoughts

The Chest at the Draper Museum

This is the place to discuss Bob’s thoughts about the poem in the book; a poem with nine clues, that may or may not be in the book; the chest of the poem; the chest of the book; the chest at the Draper Museum; the bronze box; indulgence; and the treasure (I’m so confused!)

121 thoughts on “Bob’s Thoughts

  1. the latest on Dals blog is that forrest left his car at the Denver museum as a clue. coincidence?
    my birthday is november second. another coincidence i guess.
    still a little too early for…. i told ya so.

    but its coming.

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  2. Lisa Cesari:
    bob – I have officially moved the Chase Victory Party to Cody, WY. Did I mention that I planned corporate events for companies like Apple Computer and Hewlett-Packard in my twenties? I think I can handle the ticker tape parade… Oh, and I may not have mentioned I was actually an employee of Apple Computer, Inc. for 4.5 years.I am hoping Barry Petersen’s folks are reading this….

    Lisa- Your such a sweetheart- Victory Parties only happen when a victory occurs. Many individual’s tend to ignore some of the most important things from the stranges places!!! I would try to go to cody when it’s scheduled . God speed !!!

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  3. WoodyBogg:
    Question– How would the area where the T. Cis be special to Forrest? Do the frog’son his jars in TTOTCmean anything”Does any of the things inForrest S.B. have any clues at all?Can you go from each clue to the next from Forrest’s poem?Where’s the cold come into play?Does manerva , betsy the cow , teachers with ropes , the map on page 133 in TTOTChave any meaning? Does the ax man and the bird in the moon have any bearing on the solve. How aboutthe rainbowor a water fall .Doesthe gypsy wagonor sacagawea on the gold goin have any bearing on the solve?

    Why do all these things have to pertain?

    “COLD” (as my solve goes) …..the treasure would be more visible in colder weather when the ground cover is low.

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  4. Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

    Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

    Journalist’s sale stories . Of course they published your solve and picture . The more viewers the more sales. Your solve makes fun reading but really.. The solve you describe does not meet the criteria of lasting fifty years let alone a hundred or a thousand. A horse stable a water puddle and a blazed tree.? You got to be kidding!!!

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          • Question– How would the area where the T. C is be special to Forrest? Do the frog’s on his jars in TTOTC mean anything” Does any of the things in Forrest S.B. have any clues at all? Can you go from each clue to the next from Forrest’s poem? Where’s the cold come into play?Does manerva , betsy the cow , teachers with ropes , the map on page 133 in TTOTC have any meaning? Does the ax man and the bird in the moon have any bearing on the solve. How about the rainbow or a water fall . Does the gypsy wagon or sacagawea on the gold goin have any bearing on the solve?

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  5. Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

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  6. Lisa Cesari:
    bob – How unfortunate. I could feel your excitement and anticipation in the telling of that story. What a disappointment for you and your search partner. I can understand the perspective of protecting the museum, though. I am sure when Forrest got involved, saying it was not within the museum confines, that was the concern. If that event was televised and broadcasted, many other searchers may have wreaked havoc in the museum. Clearly, that was not your intent.

    Let’s just see what happens this time….

    The bronze box is not at the cody museum! Although the place sounds Amazing and I would love to go there! Cody is rich with history and culture . Everything there highly Interests me.The place that holds the treasure and the bronze Box is Equally Amazing and compares to none but it’s own.I love things that are written in Stone , so to speak. I guess I’m a little partial and I am a Master Mason.!!

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    • Hey! Mount Vernon Lodge No. 22, out of Athens, Georgia. Master Mason as well. Andrew Webster aka Argus33. Currently living in Ashland, Wi. . I’m leaving for New Mexico next week to go pick up my Treasure! I’ve got this thing solved Brother!

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  7. CROWDOG:
    if everything is metaphorically to ones bias, then we know for a fact the last location of thebronze box was in zurich switzerland in a vault

    crowdog…..standing ovation big smiles!!!

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      • Was not there! Never was Never will be… Your supposedly proof of evidence is a blurry pitcher that has no clarity and only looks like something that kind of resembles It.There are so many other things , Lots of them, not just a few, that will establish all the evidence you will need, to verify that it is the PLACE.

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        • Tidbit……”Put in below the Home Of Brown”. ….Should be deciphered as “Put In” at Route 38 which is above (North) of Eagle Nest Lake…..”Put In”….”Below IS the “Home of Brown”. “Put in….below is the Home Of Brown”

          “The end is ever drawing nigh” …….entering Red River there is a green sign with the word “END”. You are at a fork in the road and on your immediate left are the Red River horse stables. Dictionary Nigh: (of an animal or vehicle) being on the left side: to be astride the nigh horse. Make a u-turn and on to the next clues…..to reach Goose Lake you need to turn off the road and head up the mountain. As you turn off there are heavy power lines “Heavy Loads” that you drive under. Just past that is a small pond that you have to drive thru…..”water high”

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          • Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match. The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same. It is a dead match. Please just try and you will see. I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures) what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was. The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

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  8. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – Correction: Tommy Tague. He hates it when anyone spells his name wrong, even if he knows that was a type-O. And I think he hid some gold below an old Freight Elevator shaft in the back of that building. I have seen evidence of where I think that might be. And it was too weird that no one would sit next to me when I sat at the counter there in the very center to eat dinner. I told Adelaide the owner that Tommy was always sitting next to me there.

    This would be an Interesting treasure search. In and around that building!

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  9. bob:
    i found this on the buffalo bill center of the west website-

    Hike Through the GreaterYellowstone Ecosystem at the Draper museum of Natural History.

    A family introduces their kids to the diversity of Yellowstone.
    by Jennifer Billock

    “….Both kids loved the “Please Touch” exhibits, especially the one about heartbeats. Visitors can place their hands on the exhibit and feel a human heartbeat compared to a bear’s, both awake and in hibernation….”

    maybe i should have placed this comment on the Teachers with Ropes thread.Please Touch.

    Bob –Teachers with ropes is set in Stone!

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  10. i found this on the buffalo bill center of the west website-

    Hike Through the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem at the Draper museum of Natural History.

    A family introduces their kids to the diversity of Yellowstone.
    by Jennifer Billock

    “….Both kids loved the “Please Touch” exhibits, especially the one about heartbeats. Visitors can place their hands on the exhibit and feel a human heartbeat compared to a bear’s, both awake and in hibernation….”

    maybe i should have placed this comment on the Teachers with Ropes thread. Please Touch.

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        • bob – I need that huge diamond to sell, and then I will have the gas money. And you know that I have been on board with your Draper solve all along. Great find on the please touch thing!

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          • Bob -I commend you and your thought process about your Draper solve. Although I have disputable evidence that I cannot ignore. I think your great and you are my friend!! I also think that stuff from cody does tie in!

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          • Mike- im looking at october 12 to 15th.
            but, still trying to coordinate Barry Petersen. im not actually taking to Barry im talking to his producer Dustin Stephens and am not getting much feedback right now. so, cant really plan anything yet. im trying.

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    • Bob – Then “home of Brown” is where the heart is. That bear heartbeat at the Draper exhibit.

      Where is the wooden IN box in relation to that,…do you know? At what altitude along the pathway down?

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      • Hi Lisa- im late to respond to your question….at what elevation is the wooden chest with the letters IN ?

        heres the thing Lisa, the Draper starts at 10,000 feet and ends at the meadow level at 4,500. the wooden chest is in the archaeology display at the 4,500 foot level. the next level higher is 6,000 feet skipping 5,000 feet. this fact makes me suspicious of Fenn’s above 5,000 feet remark. by using the 5,000 number could be a hint to Draper because that elevation is not marked at the museum OR the fact that Cody Wyoming and the actual museum ARE above 5,000 feet in actual elevation. another interesting tidbit about the chest is that it is underground, but not buried. the Draper museum starts out above ground and ends in the basement of the complex. the chest is hidden, not buried. I believe his “above 5,000 feet” is just a hint to the elevation signs at the Draper.

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      • bob.- Oooooooh! Now I am totally intrigued, and I do not think I can wait until October to go to the Draper with you and whoever else wants to tag along from Mike’s blog. I think we’re going to have to make this work sooner. Have you heard anything from the folks at CBS news, that work with Barry Petersen, yet? Do I need to make a phone call and expedite? And remember I am more than willing to call your boss to get you 3 days off. I am very good at making friends and influencing people, believe me….

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          • Bob, I thought FF recently said that the it was wet physics says it is wet or something along those lines

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          • Crowdog- what is the it in this case?
            end of rainbow? could be, because rain precedes the bow.
            treasure? could be, it rains in national parks.
            bronze box? no, it never gets wet.
            indulgence? treasure chest? chest?
            which it is it?

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          • bob – Thank you for the status update. But if they are waiting on Forrest, they will be waiting into eternity. And if we as a group, including Mike, of course, find that bronze box, they will be there in a nanosecond. So why don’t they just come along?.

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          • if everything is metaphorically to ones bias, then we know for a fact the last location of the bronze box was in zurich switzerland in a vault

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          • Lisa- yes, why dont they just come along?
            well, maybe this little bit of history will answer that question. i go back again to 2013 when my search partner and I were headed to the Draper from Florida. It was somewhere along the way in Nebraska i think, that i emailed Dr. Preston to inform him that we were on our way to take forrest’s chest from the museum. I’ve already told you that Dr. Preston informed us that the bronze box is not anywhere inside the buffalo bill center of the west according to forrest himself. but what i didnt tell you is what happened just prior to receiving this information.

            before Dr. Preston called forrest about the bronze box, he (Preston) was as excited as we were. when I told him we were on our way to get the bronze box, he told me his wife worked as a local television news reporter. I said thats great Dr. Preston! why dont you have her come to the museum and cover the story. he was excited as I was. just think of the publicity for the museum. my search partner got an email from forrest himself, in it forrest said he was notifying certain dignitaries from the museum that we were on our way…Barron Collier, Naoma Tate and others. I thought about renting a tuxedo in Cody to wear to the gala event. Turns out I was dead wrong though. when we arrived at the museum a day later we expected to see television news vans parked in the parking lot. there were none. no reporters, no balloons, nothing. in fact we were met at the front door by Mike Brown head of security. he checked our ID’s and patted us down. we were given free admission and Mike Brown escorted everywhere we went. we did not even see Dr. Preston. I felt like a criminal. glad i didnt rent the tux.

            i suppose it is possible that Dustin Stephens of CBS news has already talked to Dr. Charles Preston and this is why they are not speaking to me. who knows?
            the mystery deepens…

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          • bob – How unfortunate. I could feel your excitement and anticipation in the telling of that story. What a disappointment for you and your search partner. I can understand the perspective of protecting the museum, though. I am sure when Forrest got involved, saying it was not within the museum confines, that was the concern. If that event was televised and broadcasted, many other searchers may have wreaked havoc in the museum. Clearly, that was not your intent.

            Let’s just see what happens this time….

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          • lisa, next time I go to cody I want a welcoming committee, a ticker tape parade, a key to the city and a street named after me. is that too much to ask really?

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          • bob – I have officially moved the Chase Victory Party to Cody, WY. Did I mention that I planned corporate events for companies like Apple Computer and Hewlett-Packard in my twenties? I think I can handle the ticker tape parade… Oh, and I may not have mentioned I was actually an employee of Apple Computer, Inc. for 4.5 years. I am hoping Barry Petersen’s folks are reading this….

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    • Just came from Draper. There are just as many if not more “Do Not Touch” signs.
      The museum is fantastic but not worth a special trip. Save your time and money, f’s treasure is not associated with the Draper museum.

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  11. Makes total sense to me -A back pack and a pack box for a mule that goes on a tree of a pack saddle. Looks like that box has traveled down many a trail look at the wear on the corners and edges.

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    • WoodyBogg – You know Forrest had a pet donkey, right? There was a picture on one of his scrapbooks with that donkey in his master bedroom. And I would bet you that Forrest can tie a mean Diamond Hitch to attach anything to that donkey, including the bronze chest. A few years ago, I remember emailing Forrest and proposing that as the way he got out my trail to my spot, and asked him if he would bring his One Horse and his cute donkey to escort me out there, to protect me from My Grizz. The One Horse part was from his One Horse Land and Trading Company name.

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      • Lisa- We had donkeys on the place and one we just loved was named fig newton because he loved fig newton cookies. They are more sure footed than a horse and for their size can carry more weight. I used to pack deer and elk on that donkey. I also rode him all over the mountains.

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        • Crowdog! Yippee! – WoodyBogg and I have been talking about meeting up on Flathead Lake and going to Wild Horse Island, which made me think of our conversations we had on Forrest’s blog about that. I am so glad you are joining us here!

          And speaking of names, why don’t you tell everybody here on Mike’s blog, how you got yours?

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          • Mine came from a now pawnee medicine man i worked with , my nick name was crow anyway, so he said CROWDOG chief of the ponca well we work by the otoe and ponca reservations in oklahoma and also the pawnee post was only 30 miles away he is dear friend , he also told me the story of the seven scared arrows that the pawnee took from the cheyenne as well as their i believe morningstar ritual- in oklahoma i have around alot of indians obviously all types and kinds LOL but that was his name for me and if you look you can find a Leonard Crowdog wounded knee.
            yes wild horse were the sheep are. flathead is spectacular , but, what is not in those parts glacier to yellowstone to idaho you name it , very special as you notice also the asians love it as dearly as well do!

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  12. september 2013
    On my first visit to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West my primary search area was the gun museum. I thought the bronze box was partially concealed in one of the displays there. of course i did not find the bronze box at the gun museum. secondly, I wanted to search the plains indian museum also looking in every display hoping to find maybe just an exposed corner or side of the bronze box. no luck there either. then, there is a museum dedicated to Buffalo Bill himself. I didnt think FF would hide the bronze box in Bill’s personal museum because of all the hints in TTOTC to Buffalo Bill, that would be too easy. we looked anyway. But then my search partner and I stumbled on to the Draper. I didnt even know this museum of natural history existed. The one word over the entrance in 2013 was “YELLOWSTONE”. wow! we said, we gotta check this out. upon entering the Draper the first thing you see is a log cabin with a sign that reads….Expedition Trailhead. Wow! again. this is interesting. and the trailhead begins at the 10,000 foot elevation. Forrest had already made the “above 5,000 foot” remark on the Today show, and his “below 10,200” foot comment was made shortly after our visit to the Draper. then we found the stamps. the stamps coincide with the postmarks in TTOTC. my search partner and i looked at each other in disbelief and at the same instant we both said….This is it !!! now to take the trail down to an elevation of just above 5,000 feet and find the bronze box. we searched for hours to no avail snapping photos the whole time. the bronze box is not there, which i would later get confirmation of this fact from FF himself through the curator of the Draper Dr. Charles Preston.

    The photo I have asked Mike to post here is a large wooden chest in the Harold McCracken display at the Draper near the 5,000 foot level. I leaned over the guardrail and opened that chest looking for the bronze box. the bronze box was not in it. The empty backpack on top of that chest was lying there loosely, I had to replace it best I could to its original position when I closed the lid. the backpack was positioned to cover part of a word so that only the letters “IN” are exposed. On the long drive back to Florida, my search partner and I came to the conclusion that this indeed is the solution to the poem in TTOTC. all that is needed is to take a photo of this chest, the letters IN and the feet of Harold McCracken because the blaze is feet, and send it to Fenn. so we did that and shortly thereafter is when he made the statement …..”few are in tight focus with a word that is key”.

    now fast forward to 2015. I went back to the museum to check the display again. this time, the lid to that chest was screwed shut I could not open it and the backpack was securely fastened too. fastened in such a way that only the letters “IN” are exposed. as in “brave and IN the wood”.
    why is the empty backpack fastened in such a way?
    Forrest has spoken of an empty backpack from time to time.

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        • Lisa- its been awhile since i visited the museum and i cant remember where the stuffed grizzlies are. but i know you wont find a photo of the archaeology display with the chest online.

          Mike post my photo please!

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        • bob – A few years ago, there was a video of the Draper tour on this same website, but it has been changed since. There is an image in this video at the 1:00 mark that shows that Archaeological display, but you’re right, there is no chest visible in it. But since you said that the Archaeological display is at the five thousand foot level, I’m assuming the grizzly bears are located above that, in which case, “put in below the home of Brown” applies to the wooden chest, if Brown is the grizzlies. I plan to “look quickly down” in the McCracken Research Library, where that Forrest Fenn Oral History, that is no longer available to the public, is located. And then I will “listen good” to that…

          centerofthewest.org/explore/greater-yellowstone-natural-history/

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          • lisa, the home of Brown is the Byrd Naturalist cabin at the expedition trailhead of the Draper. this is where you “put in”.
            I explain this fact in greater detail here on Mikes blog under the Poem 2:4 thread, the first two comments are mine.

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          • Lisa, I agree completely that the McCracken research library could be title to the gold and a trove for all to seek.

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          • bob – I may just have the gas money really soon here to be able to travel to Cody to the museum. When I do, do you want to join me there? I am well networked at our local library here, with the folks that run our Regional History department. They also do extensive oral histories, and I believe I will have the ability to listen to Forrest’s oral history in the McCracken through this means. Ever since I joined The Chase, I have always wanted to go to the museums in Cody…

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          • lisa, sure i would love to meet you there and any other searchers who would like to just take the chest and go in peace!

            i’m not sure you can hear all of Forrest’s oral history though. as I understand it he has some things there at the library that are not to be opened until sometime after his death. just like JD Salinger.

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          • bob – Yes, I remember reading something about that file not being available until after 2025 or something. But I still want to go to the museums in Cody with you.

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          • lisa, well i have used up all my vacation time for this year but i could do like a three day weekend. and since im in florida i would have to make flight plans at least two months in advance. it sure would be nice to organize a searchers meet up in Cody. sometime in October?

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          • bob -. Bummer. By October I hope to be planning The Chase Victory Party in the West Yellowstone area…

            We’ll just see what the Universe has in store for both of us to connect at the Cody Museum. Maybe I need to make a phone call to your boss?

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          • sure Lisa, call my boss its OK with me.
            Bill Allred 321-267-4541 monday thru friday 8:00 am to 5:00 pm est.

            i think allowing the Universe to handle it is a better idea.

            and i’m sure three days is enough time to get everything done anyway.

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          • Lisa- I have invited Barry Petersen of CBS news to join us at the Draper to do the story. still waiting for his reply. hope you dont mind. the more the merrier right?

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          • bob – That sounds great! Maybe Barry Petersen can pick you up in Florida, and you two can fly to the Hailey Airport in Sun Valley? And then we can all take the CBS plane to the Draper. Then I don’t have to spend the gas money that I plan to receive, when I sell the huge diamond I found in town here. Coincidentally I am waiting to hear from a veteran local jeweler, also named Barry Peterson, about what he will pay for it. And the great Thrill of the Chase story continues…

            Just a little indicator of the good luck I might be having….

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          • Lisa, i dont expect Barry to pick me up and I would actually prefer dancing on the rudder pedals alone with Christina in a cross wind.

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          • Wow, Lisa!

            You found a diamond in town? I’d love to hear that story one day. I know there’s a lot of ancient volcanic activity there in Idaho. The old lava flows are visible for hundreds of miles.

            I even pulled off the side of the highway there…years ago…on the way to Sun Valley…and picked up some flat lava chunks to put in my 125 gallon African Cichlid aquarium.

            So…all that volcanic activity might mean that a kimberlite pipe is near there…which explains the diamond you found…

            You’re very lucky. I wish I had your luck.

            Listening to others’ stories of success keeps me searching…and dreaming.

            Thanks for sharing. That’s a flippin’ ripper! 🙂

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          • JC1117 – Sadly, it was not a huge raw diamond I found…it was a nearly perfectly cut and brilliantly florescent one, though.

            As to the volcanics of this area, that is all very interesting to me, especially Craters of the Moon National Monument, which partially due to our Facebook comment efforts, is no longer up for review:

            www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/07/13/two-national-monuments-are-no-longer-up-for-review-interior-says-that-leaves-25/

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    • Bob – I agree totally with the one word ”YELLOWSTONE” Although the ”YELLOWSTONE” may not be what most people think!!! Also I am not speaking of gold either!!

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    • Interpreting, markers or clues can sometimes be an Art in itself but most of the time the information is obvious as long as you break it down to the simplest form. ”That’s the Key”

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    • bob: then we found the stamps. the stamps coincide with the postmarks in TTOTC.

      Tell me more about these stamps. What do you me by “coincide”? That’s a little vague. Do they have the same dates on them? Now that would be something.

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      • mike, i emailed you the photo with the stamping device from the Draper. thanks in advance for posting it here for me.
        as you can see from the photo the stamping device is for kids. at the expedition trailhead, kids get a “passport” like a real passport, it gets stamped to show where they have been. the passport is folded paper accordion style with different sections. the Draper begins at 10,000 feet in elevation at the alpine level. kids and their parents are exposed to all things found at Yellowstone at the alpine level. at the end of the alpine level the kids take a touch screen test. (the answer(s) I already know.) if they pass the test they can get their passport stamped and proceed down to the next level. after completion of each level, that level is then “cancelled” so to speak. like the cancelled stamps in TTOTC at each chapter. i cant remember how many levels there are for stamps, between 7-9 as elevations go from 10,000 feet down to 4,500. i had a close up photo of a passport but i cant find it. how the stamps coincide with TTOTC is each level of elevation can be considered a “chapter” of the Draper experience. Level=Chapter…..cancelled stamp.
        is a loose association, i know. but arent all cluse/hints loose? vague. difficult but not impossible.

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    • A similar expression in Portuguese is…

      “Cada cabeça uma sentença”

      …where “sentença” means “judgment…ruling…verdict”.

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  13. Bob – I think the end of the rainbow – Gold and more and where the bronze box is @ the same prox. location . How and what we think in reguards to TTOTC is based on the knowledge each of us have and the way we think about it.

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    • The Spanish used markers on the mountains to designate where their gold mines were. The squared ”U” would indicate a doorway , entrance or mouth . Reference to the double omegga, It would be carved in an already carved dip in the ridgeline of a mountain. There would be trails leading to these mines , and markers on the way with reduced sizes of the ”u” symbol. The smaller the ”u” the closer a person was to the cache. If you look at the reference of this from FF in TTOTC there upside down means from the top down. Also his reference of the Big mouth Bass . Indicate entrance or mouth. I will post more to come .

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      • There are many things used as information such as animals or birds , Also sun and moon symbols, shadow signs,boots and hats !!!

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        • WoodyBogg – So interesting! Please keep telling us more! Coincidentally, I am headed right now up to the Galena Lodge area, to hike the Mineshaft Trail. Going to the old mine for the first time, high above the lodge. Wish me luck! The whole area was a hugely successful mining venture in the late 1800s. I expect to find a huge gold nugget on the way…

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          • Lisa -I wish I was going to check that out with you . Keep your eyes open a person just never knows . Although that mine probably was lode gold not placer gold . That would mean they had to crush the ore and extract the gold from it . The rock most likely had quartz veins in it that held the gold!! Have fun and Good luck!!!

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