Bob’s Thoughts

The Chest at the Draper Museum

This is the place to discuss Bob’s thoughts about the poem in the book; a poem with nine clues, that may or may not be in the book; the chest of the poem; the chest of the book; the chest at the Draper Museum; the bronze box; indulgence; and the treasure (I’m so confused!)

225 thoughts on “Bob’s Thoughts

  1. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – This one certainly is:

    cdn.decoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Use-of-stone-gives-the-wine-cellar-a-more-classic-appeal.jpg

    Our lecture room here at the Community Library just became one of those, because there is a presentation at 6pm about the Ecology of Idaho Rivers. It will be Livestreamed also. We do things in style here in Sun Valley. A few cases of wine, fine food and saving our rivers. What could be nicer????

    Wow Lisa I built a wine cellar for a guy here @ the whitefish hills Estate that looks a lot like that one ! I did 13 full Entrance Arch ways front and back in the house. Thanks

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  2. latest six questions….yaaawn. ho hum.
    only thing that got my attention was the statement about cant be seen on google earth.
    hey maybe its in a basement!!!

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    • Hello, Bob.

      I might just hang out with you here for a little while. The Lounge has kinda turned into a bar room brawl…like Chase Chat sometimes. :/

      I like your thought about Google Earth not helping because “maybe its in a basement”…and Google Earth doesn’t go down that far.

      In my youth I heard there are secret treasures hidden in the basement at the Alamo. Did you know the Alamo really does have a basement? It’s true. So what are they keeping down there? Gift shop merchandise?

      Maybe we should commence a meeting…in the basement…where we can ponder the overwhelming evidence. Every. Single. Piece…

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoJrjjy0WeU

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      • JC- im guessing there are just a couple of old trunks in the basement of the Alamo. and maybe a water heater or old wringer washing machine. thats about it. i bet its dark and cold too. damp.

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      • bob and JC1117 – And Forrest’s words about the final clue work perfectly for my solve. You can’t see a bronze chest, hidden under the seasoned, fallen lodgepole pine, lying on a perfect diagonal, across my perfectly square open area, in the wood, out Cabin Creek, from Google Earth . Turn over a log in the forest to see what you might find…

        And I am tenacious, not stubborn, about my original solve. I agree, Forrest. Thank you for expressing your “gut feeling” that the bronze chest will be found this Summer. Maybe I will find a courageous Search Buddy by then. I know I won’t see the OTHER Digging Gypsy on the Cabin Creek Trail. Too dangerous for her.

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        • WoodyBogg – Due to the meager snowfall in most Rocky Mountain locations this year, the “worth the cold” creek crossings to get to my hidey spot should be less daunting. The bronze chest may just be recovered in late Spring.

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        • WoodyBogg – This one certainly is:

          cdn.decoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Use-of-stone-gives-the-wine-cellar-a-more-classic-appeal.jpg

          Our lecture room here at the Community Library just became one of those, because there is a presentation at 6pm about the Ecology of Idaho Rivers. It will be Livestreamed also. We do things in style here in Sun Valley. A few cases of wine, fine food and saving our rivers. What could be nicer????

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          • WoodyBogg – You can watch “live” here:

            “Gravel-Bed Rivers in the Northern Rockies: Why Mountain Rivers Are So Important and Why You Should Care” by Dr. Ric Hauer

            Wednesday, February 7, 6 p.m.

            Gravel-bed rivers like the Big Wood can be found all over the Rocky Mountains and are the ecological centers of mountain landscapes. While we generally understand that these freestone rivers play important roles, we don’t always understand the impacts and interconnectedness of these rivers or the effects humans have upon them.
            The Wood River Land Trust and our partners are honored to bring Dr. Ric Hauer, the director of the University of Montana’s Center for Integrated Research on the Environment, to the valley to present his ground-breaking findings during his free talk.
            Dr. Hauer will discuss natural stream functions, terrestrial/aquatic productivity and how some river restoration practices have compromised our systems today. Dr. Hauer will give examples of restoration practices that do, and don’t, work and will provide the rationale for these findings. The articulate and entertaining doctor will also answer questions after his presentation.
            “To be effective, conservation efforts in mountain landscapes need a paradigm shift that has gravel-bed rivers and their floodplains as the central focus,” Dr. Hauer’s study states. “One that prioritizes the maintenance or restoration of the intact structure and processes of these critically important systems throughout their length and breadth.”
            Dr. Hauer has conducted research around the eastern Pacific-rim, from Alaska to Patagonia, with his primary research being the transboundary Crown-of-the-Continent Ecosystem and the Flathead River system of Montana and British Columbia. Dr. Hauer’s love for streams and rivers and their roles as disproportionately important components of biodiversity of mountain landscapes drives his passion. In addition to his academic research, Dr. Hauer has served in development, implementation and assessment of environmental policy for the Clean Water Act, working with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
            The presentation is being sponsored by the Wood River Land Trust, The Community Library, the cities of Hailey and Ketchum, The Nature Conservancy, Trout Unlimited and Flood Control District #9. livestream.com/accounts/11392648/events/8048156

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        • WoodyBogg,
          I believe searchers think that there are no structures involved in any of the clues since Cynthia said that comment to her from Forrest, but she understood him wrong. There could be a couple of structures involved.
          Bur

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  3. bob:
    And WOODY–F Troop is not a failing grade…the capital F is important to the chase. Forrest’s initials, and there are two capital F’s hidden in TTOTC. have you found them yet Woody Bogg? without finding the capital F’s one cannot interpret the blaze.

    so there.

    bob,

    You disappoint me.

    All of you sit on your solves like old mother hen’s sitting on a bad clutch of eggs.

    None of your ideas will ever hatch.

    bob, revisit my post under SB32: October 7, 2017 10:32.

    It’s right there in the very first sentence.

    You have been given the answer to your own question but you’re still blind as a bat and don’t have a clue. f

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    • Dear Forrest, I believe it’s you. We should be kind to all, and I’m sorry you’ve not been well met by the A-Team. Please accept my personal apology and know that I appreciate all you’ve done to put forth a most EXCELLENT treasure hunt to be solved. It’s a blast for me, and I look forward to it each day.

      Because I enjoy the ancestral stories, I’m chasing down information. You mentioned your father passed into eternity from Temple, Texas. Was he still able to live in his home or had he moved to a retirement place? Also curious about your father’s grandparents, and where they homesteaded in Texas.

      Any help from you or others with information would be HUGELY appreciated.

      Lisa, I’m still looking forward to meeting you in Sun Valley in the future. It’s a beautiful place. You mentioned Adam West, are there other movie stars that live in Sun Valley?

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      • Anna – Yes. There are many. Including:

        Jamie Lee Curtis (her Mom was Janet Leigh)
        Clint Eastwood
        Arnold Schwarzenegger
        Drew Barrymore
        Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson
        Bruce Willis
        Demi Moore

        They all love it here, because it is not crowded, and we locals leave them alone. I also know a few people who know the REAL Forrest Fenn here. And they wouldn’t appreciate someone impersonating him, either.

        Wink. Smile.

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          • Anna – Spring is my favorite season here. This past Spring, I took so many pictures on my hikes in this area and up North, and I identified all the wildflowers I found along the way. Here is my ultimate find, which was just off the highway, next to a point of interest. I was just up at Galena Lodge near there today:

            500px.com/photo/216871061

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  4. I’m glad most here have thick skin.
    The words we type & you read & interpret really shouldn’t offend anyone except for the person who hid the treasure.

    Bob,
    The chest or the treasure is not in Wyoming.
    You need to let it go & stop being fixated on your theory.
    Show me some pics that confirm your crazy theory.

    I may not be able to read your comment tonight or anytime cause I cannot sub to this site & comments get lost in time. 🙁

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    • I would just like the real Forrest Fenn to step up and say that the forrest here is an imposter or not . I don’t intend to offend the real Forrest Fenn in any way shape or form . None of us would even be here @ this site having any discussions @ all if it wasn’t for him. Forrest the real one has a heart of gold!!! Teachers with ropes may be more appropriate for tough love. Teachers often have their own way of Teaching!!!

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  5. Morning Bob! ……are you banned from Dal’s (I love myself) site?

    bob:
    Lisa I know already I wouldnt make a good pirate, i get seasick….i guess i could pirate rivers? was there ever a pirate of the St. Lawrence seaway? or maybe the mississippi?pirate stuff is fun though, i kind of pirated Mike’s blog. maybe a little?

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    • Tom- well i send comments and they go to Dal’s spam i think, then he reviews them and if my comment feeds the Fenn faithful i believe he posts them, not sure. sometimes my comments (as Dodo bird) show up a day later. yes, i was banned from posting as Bob for suggesting that the treasure and chest may not be the same thing.

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        • WoodyBogg – Speaking of treasured chests, I am currently on a hunt for the original Archie Boyd Teater mermaid painting, shown hanging above the bar, in his Dance at Slavey’s bar scene. The Collector has been looking for it, since he bought this painting in 1995-2000. I met him at a gallery show here about a week ago. Slavey’s in Ketchum/Sun Valley was built in 1953; therefore, so far, I have found out that his date for the painting of 1951 is wrong. The Collector said he would pay any amount of money to purchase the painting, if I find it. I told him I would probably enlist the help of the REAL Forrest Fenn to do so.

          There was a big Mafia presence, and gambling was prevalent, during that time period. I have also determined that the Slavey’s business was shut down for a short time, when the government came in to raid it, which is actually when the painting disappeared.

          photos.app.goo.gl/2hIQLPHdWIgHWO052

          Archie Teater had his Artist’s Studio on the Square in Jackson Hole, and was one of the most famous and successful landscape painters during his time. But he also liked to paint whimsical scenes like this one. And he owned the only Frank Lloyd Wright-designed building in Idaho, which was built overlooking the Snake River as Archie’s artist studio.

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          • Lisa Thank you for posting about the painting! This is
            interesting to me !!! The mermaid above the bar . Most likely someone from the raid ended up with it . I would start @ the police station and see if it ever made it to the evidence room. Who if you can find out were the officers that participated in the raid . If you can find them go interview them. Most people will talk to you and that long ago they probably aren’t working there anymore. Go look @ the library see if there is any record of the raid in the papers . You’ll have to narrow it down to the time . You know this will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

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          • WoodyBogg – Thank you for that great advice! I spent just 10 minutes in our local Community Library’s Regional History Department to solve half of this. And I have already talked to the person who owns that building, who is the grandson of the owner of Slavey’s.

            And I think the Mafia took it in lieu of payments owed at the time of the raid. But that theory is based on an afternoon of research and conversations with involved parties.

            Now I am going to read a 55 page original autobiography, written by the artist himself, which just came to light. I wish I had the one written.by ff…

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          • WoodyBogg and bob – OK, too weird. Just sent an email with the Dance at Slavey’s pics to the cousin of our local postmaster here, who may have an original oil painting in his garage of Slavey’s with Lester the Policeman and some Indians standing out front. By his description, it could be the same artist, but he will check the signature and compare the two paintings. And that policeman, who was here for sure in the 60s, has the same first name as the Art Collector who is looking for the mermaid painting from Slavey’s. So maybe Lester the Policeman has something to do with this.

            Maybe I should find a former West Yellowstone postmaster to do research with about Forrest? Two have been the greatest sources on my painting search…

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  6. Comes now me, myself and I to table the motion to change the name of the A-team to F-Troop. I ask Mike to recognize me, myself and I.
    Mike- “so be it”.
    I ask for suspension of rules therby allowing said name change. there will be no parlimentary inqiry of this matter. if anyone object to consideration of question let him/her now speak or forever remain silent. division of assembly is not an issue to be tabled on this date.

    recess!

    let the voting begin…

    all in favor?

    aye
    aye
    aye
    aye
    aye
    uh.
    aye!!

    all against?

    the motion carries.

    congratulations F-troop!

    (doncha wish our government was this easy.)

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      • bob – Uh, ummmm…

        I meant,…Your Royal Highness!

        Kneeling….Bowing.

        Did you know that King George III was mad??? That does not mean he was angry at a previous incarnation of the wanderer.

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          • Hello, Bob and Lisa…Et Al.

            I like the F-troop idea. Cruising around in the A-team van kinda has a negative connotation these days…especially if we’re handing out candy right and left.

            Besides…people might mistake us for The Dream Team…instead of the A-team…

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDxs3WuB90

            …wouldn’t want that.

            As far as pirate names…I would like to be Black Sam…but I’d like to kindly request that y’all call me by my full name…Black Sam…not BS…for short.

            Thank you. 🙂 Much obliged.

            Aaaargh!

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          • In keeping with the F Troop approach I will be going by the name of “Private Meek” and remember guys……Meek is a fossil, Forrest is an archeologist. This is KEY!

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          • Lisa I know already I wouldnt make a good pirate, i get seasick….i guess i could pirate rivers? was there ever a pirate of the St. Lawrence seaway? or maybe the mississippi? pirate stuff is fun though, i kind of pirated Mike’s blog. maybe a little?

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          • bob – You can work with me on the Hudson River, and be a member of the Charlton Street Gang. I will be Sadie the Goat:

            In mid-1860s the Charlton Street Gang was led by the female pirate Sadie “the Goat” Farrell. Sadie the Goat modeled herself and her gang after the “pirates of the Golden Age” by flying the “Jolly Roger” flag aboard their ship and making victims walk the plank.

            en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_pirate

            Jake – Have I gone off the deep end far enough for you now? DG inspired me at Dal’s, when she and her sisters searched the boot at Edwards Point that looks just like Gardiners Island. We will let the REAL Forrest Fenn be Captain Kidd, of course. Aye, Aye, Mr. Kidd.

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          • JC1117 aka Black Sam – Good choice. But when you made the comparison between the A-Team and the Dream Team, I thought you meant these Amblin folks: Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen:

            en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks

            Anthony Geffen, David’s son, of Atlantic Productions, has spoken here at our Community Library three times since I have lived here. I wish I was a part of that Dream Team, so I could produce Doug Preston’s script for The Chase. And then Forrest could see Doug win the Academy Award at the Oscars. And then Bart the Bear II, my Search Buddy, could present the award there:

            www.bartthebear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bart_in_Life_magazineW.jpg

            But I digress…

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    • bob – When Mike said, “So be it”, I thought of the book I read about the real story behind Moby Dick:

      In the Heart of the Sea by Nathaniel Philbrick.

      1851, Herman Melville, Moby Dick, ch. 99:
      From storm to storm! So be it, then. Born in throes, ‘t is fit that man should live in pains and die in pangs! So be it, then! Here’s stout stuff for woe to work on. So be it, then.

      Did you know Melville’s mentor was Nathaniel Hawthorne?

      Talk about sea sickness! And the giant sperm whale that rammed the ship was real….

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      • Lisa no, i did not know that Mellville’s mentor was Hawthorne. Moby Dick was one of my favorite novels as a kid. that and Bram Stoker’s Dracula. i wish someone would make a movie that followed Bram Stoker’s book exactly as written. these vampire off shoots today are ridiculous.

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        • bob – Then you must know about my stalker, Vlad, who has been pursuing me with vigor since just before Halloween in 2016:

          en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

          en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dracula

          Stoker’s creation

          Bram Stoker’s novel takes the form of an epistolary tale, in which Count Dracula’s characteristics, powers, abilities and weaknesses are narrated by multiple narrators, from different perspectives.

          Count Dracula is an undead, centuries-old vampire, and a Transylvanian nobleman who claims to be a Székely descended from Attila the Hun. He inhabits a decaying castle in the Carpathian Mountains near the Borgo Pass. Unlike the vampires of Eastern European folklore, which are portrayed as repulsive, corpse-like creatures, Dracula wears a veneer of aristocratic charm. In his conversations with Jonathan Harker, he reveals himself as deeply proud of his boyar heritage and nostalgic for the past, which he admits have become only a memory of heroism, honour and valour in modern times.

          But didn’t you like this movie?

          youtu.be/5csJWVOBJ2Q

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  7. Jake, Wonderer, Lisa, Bur, Woddy, Mike….heres the thing people. Put Up Or Shut Up. i can put up a photo of the chest. you people got nothing. Lets all meet in Cody Wyoming next year and i’ll show you the chest of the poem. this is why none of you will ever silence me. i got a chest. and i also got a geocache i found in Yellowstone Park that is not listed on the geocaching website. this geocache contains items related to Forrest Fenn. and no, it is not the geocache that dal hid in west yellowstone. so thats two things i can Put UP. nobody else comes close. i dont care what Forrest says. i know what i know. (aint this fun? it is for me.)

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    • Bob This isn’t first grade and this isn’t show and tell!! You know what happens when you tell someone about your favorite fishing hole . The fish are all gone when you go back!!! Does a person tell where his biggest gold nugget was found ! NO Because if you do there all gone when you go back. F troop may be appropriate for Failure because you didn’t learn a damb thing!!

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      • I think someone needs a nap.
        Now Woody just calm down.
        corrections…
        this IS show and tell i’ve been demanding folks to Put UP or shut up, same thing.
        My favorite fishing hole will always have fish as it is restocked every day by the hatchery- Bennett Spring Missouri.
        And WOODY–F Troop is not a failing grade…the capital F is important to the chase. Forrest’s initials, and there are two capital F’s hidden in TTOTC. have you found them yet Woody Bogg? without finding the capital F’s one cannot interpret the blaze.

        so there.

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        • Yea I found them out in the mountains. Just like when someone asked about my 26 gram gold nugget. Where did you find that? My answer out in the mountains!!

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          • That’s a Great Idea, WoodyBogg.

            I know a few places that I could recommend. I’ve been to those places enough that I could kinda play tour guide.

            I’m sure you and others here know a few places also.

            That would be fun.

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          • WoodyBogg – I love your idea!

            I was thrilled to hear from my Dad, that he bought a metal detector just after he came to Sun Valley with my brother to make a surprise visit to see me. They made a beach trip soon after, on a really hot day in Southern California. My Dad just moved into an Assisting Living Facility right near the Santa Cruz Beaches, where my sister can visit him nearby. So now he can go take his metal detector to the beach anytime! He loves to walk as much as I do, and I have fond memories of using an old metal detector with him in the 70s.

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          • Hello Woody, I’ll stop off at Kehoe’s agate shop and pick up a few treasures to bury ahead of you guys using metal detectors. More fun that way. (My parents live just down the road from Sommers on Flathead.)

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  8. Well I finally decided to do it. yep i’m putting together a bucket list. i been hearing a lot about it lately but dont understand it. i think they made a movie a while back called “The Bucket List” but that was about some old guys running around doing things they ought not do. why?

    Buckets have played a major role in history and i think its high time somebody recognized the importance of the bucket. i just had to do this before i die. so here goes…
    of course you got your everyday run of the mill bucket. heres some-
    water bucket
    paint bucket
    gardening/tool bucket
    lunch bucket
    hod bucket (thats for bricklaying)
    nail bucket
    ice cream bucket (i buy ice cream by the gallon)

    now these buckets can be bought on any given day pretty much anywhere in the word. the bucket has universal appeal and knows no borders you see.

    bucket brigades are used to fight fires and remove rubble after an earthquake. buckets bring humans working together for a common goal.

    heres a little known fact did you know a war was fought in Italy in 1325 over a stolen bucket? yes the rival city states of Bologna and Modena fought. Modena won the War of the Bucket and captured the stolen bucket. and that bucket is in Modena to this day. if i ever get over to Italy i’ll go see it.

    Colonel Harland Sanders made famous his bucket in 1957 by filling them with delicious fried chicken. yum yum.

    perhaps the most famous bucket to me though would have to be the bucket that Jimmy Durante kicked in the movie “I’ts a Mad Mad Mad World” you see Jimmy in his dying words told a group of strangers about 350,000$ buried under a big “W”. and it could be theirs if they found it. so the movie continues with these separate groups racing to find the big “W”. its really funny. and in the end, nobody gets the money. i wonder why nobody picked up the bucket that Jimmy Durante kicked? i’d like to have that bucket today….i bet it would sell for millions.

    so theres my bucket list. got that out of the way.

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  9. Otto C. Lightner 1887-1950
    the “collector of collections”
    bought the Alcazar Hotel in St. Augustine Florida and donated the hotel and grounds to the city to hold on display his collections forever.

    he is buried there.
    Otto’s epitaph….”this institution was built on hard work and sacrifice. how firm a foundation.”

    I believe Forrest will follow suit, building on the grounds of the Buffalo Bill Center of the West and donating the museum and his collections to the city of Cody, WY. and be buried there. end of rainbow and treasure.

    “come see my shining palace built upon the sand.”

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    • I think F will be buried on his property in SF in the backyard.
      I don’t think he could make it to where he hid the treasure at this point of his life unless Shiloh helped him but then he would know where it is.
      Cody is like a dessert & doesn’t seam appealing to rest his bones.

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      • Shilo does know where it is Jake. his immediate family is wise to the whole gig. IMO

        and is driving him absolutely bonkers trying to find out how i know what i know. lol

        hey Forrest! feeling a little of the frustration that all the searchers feel? huh daddy-O?

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        • Hi Bob – Do you remember f stating this? “Don’t look for a trick or subterfuge from me, because there aren’t any.” Your comments suggest that you think Forrest is playing tricks when it might just be your mind playing tricks on you.

          Solving the poem is a challenging task and many have come up with solutions that are wrong yet they refuse to move on. My advice is to throw away everything you have gathered, clear your mind, and come up with a new solution that fits f’s poem and statements. You can do whatever you want but ask yourself if your approach has worked.

          I had a solution last year that I thought was pretty clever. I searched twice and Jake searched the area once for me. It took some time for me to admit I was wrong and start over, but it has been a blessing.

          No matter what you do enjoy the chase and life because both are temporary.

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          • Hear me all- yes i have proven to myself my approach has worked. a perfect three point landing in fact. i am not wrong and enjoy life to the fullest, moreso than anyone i know,

            thanks for your concern.

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      • Hi Jake, my thoughts are that Forrest may donate a portion of his collection to the BBC, but why wouldn’t he dedicate his current home near museum hill in Santa Fe to become the Fenn Museum? Just guessing forrest wants to to enjoy his new puppy Willie for a long while before thinking about his spirit flight. I hope so! We know that he made plans to be pillowed down – guessing that’s not far from his real treasures – his family in Santa Fe.

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    • bob – Awesome! I agree. Which is why I said if I find the bronze chest, I think it belongs there vs. at the Smithsonian; right where the IN-box is currently located, below Harold McCracken’s feet.

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      • could be Lisa, remember how he originally wrote the poem? just take the chest and leave my bones?
        he wasnt talking about his personal, dead bones…he was talking about the actual bones there in the McCracken display. bones he donated. “Just take (photo) the chest and leave my bones” ( in the display.)
        see how that works?

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  10. bob:
    dejoka- hey i found an eye doctor for you…your appointment is between Sammy Davis Jr. and Sandy Duncan. can you get some autographs for me?

    Would I !?!

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    • dejoka- so i was watchin that show on tv called “survivor”. and at the end when they do the tribal council thing to kick somebody off the main guy snuffs out your torch and says…”the tribe has spoken”. so im like wait a minute! the tribe didnt say a dam thing, they wrote names down on cardboard and threw em in a jar! i wouldnt let em kick me off like that. id wanna hear what the tribe had to say. and then we all argue. and then id leave.

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  11. the latest on Dals blog is that forrest left his car at the Denver museum as a clue. coincidence?
    my birthday is november second. another coincidence i guess.
    still a little too early for…. i told ya so.

    but its coming.

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  12. Lisa Cesari:
    bob – I have officially moved the Chase Victory Party to Cody, WY. Did I mention that I planned corporate events for companies like Apple Computer and Hewlett-Packard in my twenties? I think I can handle the ticker tape parade… Oh, and I may not have mentioned I was actually an employee of Apple Computer, Inc. for 4.5 years.I am hoping Barry Petersen’s folks are reading this….

    Lisa- Your such a sweetheart- Victory Parties only happen when a victory occurs. Many individual’s tend to ignore some of the most important things from the stranges places!!! I would try to go to cody when it’s scheduled . God speed !!!

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  13. WoodyBogg:
    Question– How would the area where the T. Cis be special to Forrest? Do the frog’son his jars in TTOTCmean anything”Does any of the things inForrest S.B. have any clues at all?Can you go from each clue to the next from Forrest’s poem?Where’s the cold come into play?Does manerva , betsy the cow , teachers with ropes , the map on page 133 in TTOTChave any meaning? Does the ax man and the bird in the moon have any bearing on the solve. How aboutthe rainbowor a water fall .Doesthe gypsy wagonor sacagawea on the gold goin have any bearing on the solve?

    Why do all these things have to pertain?

    “COLD” (as my solve goes) …..the treasure would be more visible in colder weather when the ground cover is low.

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  14. Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

    Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

    Journalist’s sale stories . Of course they published your solve and picture . The more viewers the more sales. Your solve makes fun reading but really.. The solve you describe does not meet the criteria of lasting fifty years let alone a hundred or a thousand. A horse stable a water puddle and a blazed tree.? You got to be kidding!!!

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          • Question– How would the area where the T. C is be special to Forrest? Do the frog’s on his jars in TTOTC mean anything” Does any of the things in Forrest S.B. have any clues at all? Can you go from each clue to the next from Forrest’s poem? Where’s the cold come into play?Does manerva , betsy the cow , teachers with ropes , the map on page 133 in TTOTC have any meaning? Does the ax man and the bird in the moon have any bearing on the solve. How about the rainbow or a water fall . Does the gypsy wagon or sacagawea on the gold goin have any bearing on the solve?

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  15. Tom H:
    Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match.The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same.It is adead match.Please just try and you will see.I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures)what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was.The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

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  16. Lisa Cesari:
    bob – How unfortunate. I could feel your excitement and anticipation in the telling of that story. What a disappointment for you and your search partner. I can understand the perspective of protecting the museum, though. I am sure when Forrest got involved, saying it was not within the museum confines, that was the concern. If that event was televised and broadcasted, many other searchers may have wreaked havoc in the museum. Clearly, that was not your intent.

    Let’s just see what happens this time….

    The bronze box is not at the cody museum! Although the place sounds Amazing and I would love to go there! Cody is rich with history and culture . Everything there highly Interests me.The place that holds the treasure and the bronze Box is Equally Amazing and compares to none but it’s own.I love things that are written in Stone , so to speak. I guess I’m a little partial and I am a Master Mason.!!

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    • Hey! Mount Vernon Lodge No. 22, out of Athens, Georgia. Master Mason as well. Andrew Webster aka Argus33. Currently living in Ashland, Wi. . I’m leaving for New Mexico next week to go pick up my Treasure! I’ve got this thing solved Brother!

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  17. CROWDOG:
    if everything is metaphorically to ones bias, then we know for a fact the last location of thebronze box was in zurich switzerland in a vault

    crowdog…..standing ovation big smiles!!!

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      • Was not there! Never was Never will be… Your supposedly proof of evidence is a blurry pitcher that has no clarity and only looks like something that kind of resembles It.There are so many other things , Lots of them, not just a few, that will establish all the evidence you will need, to verify that it is the PLACE.

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        • Tidbit……”Put in below the Home Of Brown”. ….Should be deciphered as “Put In” at Route 38 which is above (North) of Eagle Nest Lake…..”Put In”….”Below IS the “Home of Brown”. “Put in….below is the Home Of Brown”

          “The end is ever drawing nigh” …….entering Red River there is a green sign with the word “END”. You are at a fork in the road and on your immediate left are the Red River horse stables. Dictionary Nigh: (of an animal or vehicle) being on the left side: to be astride the nigh horse. Make a u-turn and on to the next clues…..to reach Goose Lake you need to turn off the road and head up the mountain. As you turn off there are heavy power lines “Heavy Loads” that you drive under. Just past that is a small pond that you have to drive thru…..”water high”

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          • Woody……take some time and blow up the photo…..study carefully and you will see the match. The Albuquerque Journal agreed to post my story after doing the same. It is a dead match. Please just try and you will see. I missed the spot on my search but after going back (and I have pictures) what remains in the flat white rock and two dandelions and a hole in the ground where the blaze (tree) was. The dandelions and rock are in both (before and after) photos.

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  18. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – Correction: Tommy Tague. He hates it when anyone spells his name wrong, even if he knows that was a type-O. And I think he hid some gold below an old Freight Elevator shaft in the back of that building. I have seen evidence of where I think that might be. And it was too weird that no one would sit next to me when I sat at the counter there in the very center to eat dinner. I told Adelaide the owner that Tommy was always sitting next to me there.

    This would be an Interesting treasure search. In and around that building!

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  19. bob:
    i found this on the buffalo bill center of the west website-

    Hike Through the GreaterYellowstone Ecosystem at the Draper museum of Natural History.

    A family introduces their kids to the diversity of Yellowstone.
    by Jennifer Billock

    “….Both kids loved the “Please Touch” exhibits, especially the one about heartbeats. Visitors can place their hands on the exhibit and feel a human heartbeat compared to a bear’s, both awake and in hibernation….”

    maybe i should have placed this comment on the Teachers with Ropes thread.Please Touch.

    Bob –Teachers with ropes is set in Stone!

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  20. i found this on the buffalo bill center of the west website-

    Hike Through the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem at the Draper museum of Natural History.

    A family introduces their kids to the diversity of Yellowstone.
    by Jennifer Billock

    “….Both kids loved the “Please Touch” exhibits, especially the one about heartbeats. Visitors can place their hands on the exhibit and feel a human heartbeat compared to a bear’s, both awake and in hibernation….”

    maybe i should have placed this comment on the Teachers with Ropes thread. Please Touch.

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        • bob – I need that huge diamond to sell, and then I will have the gas money. And you know that I have been on board with your Draper solve all along. Great find on the please touch thing!

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          • Bob -I commend you and your thought process about your Draper solve. Although I have disputable evidence that I cannot ignore. I think your great and you are my friend!! I also think that stuff from cody does tie in!

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          • Mike- im looking at october 12 to 15th.
            but, still trying to coordinate Barry Petersen. im not actually taking to Barry im talking to his producer Dustin Stephens and am not getting much feedback right now. so, cant really plan anything yet. im trying.

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    • Bob – Then “home of Brown” is where the heart is. That bear heartbeat at the Draper exhibit.

      Where is the wooden IN box in relation to that,…do you know? At what altitude along the pathway down?

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      • Hi Lisa- im late to respond to your question….at what elevation is the wooden chest with the letters IN ?

        heres the thing Lisa, the Draper starts at 10,000 feet and ends at the meadow level at 4,500. the wooden chest is in the archaeology display at the 4,500 foot level. the next level higher is 6,000 feet skipping 5,000 feet. this fact makes me suspicious of Fenn’s above 5,000 feet remark. by using the 5,000 number could be a hint to Draper because that elevation is not marked at the museum OR the fact that Cody Wyoming and the actual museum ARE above 5,000 feet in actual elevation. another interesting tidbit about the chest is that it is underground, but not buried. the Draper museum starts out above ground and ends in the basement of the complex. the chest is hidden, not buried. I believe his “above 5,000 feet” is just a hint to the elevation signs at the Draper.

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      • bob.- Oooooooh! Now I am totally intrigued, and I do not think I can wait until October to go to the Draper with you and whoever else wants to tag along from Mike’s blog. I think we’re going to have to make this work sooner. Have you heard anything from the folks at CBS news, that work with Barry Petersen, yet? Do I need to make a phone call and expedite? And remember I am more than willing to call your boss to get you 3 days off. I am very good at making friends and influencing people, believe me….

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          • Bob, I thought FF recently said that the it was wet physics says it is wet or something along those lines

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          • Crowdog- what is the it in this case?
            end of rainbow? could be, because rain precedes the bow.
            treasure? could be, it rains in national parks.
            bronze box? no, it never gets wet.
            indulgence? treasure chest? chest?
            which it is it?

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          • bob – Thank you for the status update. But if they are waiting on Forrest, they will be waiting into eternity. And if we as a group, including Mike, of course, find that bronze box, they will be there in a nanosecond. So why don’t they just come along?.

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          • if everything is metaphorically to ones bias, then we know for a fact the last location of the bronze box was in zurich switzerland in a vault

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          • Lisa- yes, why dont they just come along?
            well, maybe this little bit of history will answer that question. i go back again to 2013 when my search partner and I were headed to the Draper from Florida. It was somewhere along the way in Nebraska i think, that i emailed Dr. Preston to inform him that we were on our way to take forrest’s chest from the museum. I’ve already told you that Dr. Preston informed us that the bronze box is not anywhere inside the buffalo bill center of the west according to forrest himself. but what i didnt tell you is what happened just prior to receiving this information.

            before Dr. Preston called forrest about the bronze box, he (Preston) was as excited as we were. when I told him we were on our way to get the bronze box, he told me his wife worked as a local television news reporter. I said thats great Dr. Preston! why dont you have her come to the museum and cover the story. he was excited as I was. just think of the publicity for the museum. my search partner got an email from forrest himself, in it forrest said he was notifying certain dignitaries from the museum that we were on our way…Barron Collier, Naoma Tate and others. I thought about renting a tuxedo in Cody to wear to the gala event. Turns out I was dead wrong though. when we arrived at the museum a day later we expected to see television news vans parked in the parking lot. there were none. no reporters, no balloons, nothing. in fact we were met at the front door by Mike Brown head of security. he checked our ID’s and patted us down. we were given free admission and Mike Brown escorted everywhere we went. we did not even see Dr. Preston. I felt like a criminal. glad i didnt rent the tux.

            i suppose it is possible that Dustin Stephens of CBS news has already talked to Dr. Charles Preston and this is why they are not speaking to me. who knows?
            the mystery deepens…

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          • bob – How unfortunate. I could feel your excitement and anticipation in the telling of that story. What a disappointment for you and your search partner. I can understand the perspective of protecting the museum, though. I am sure when Forrest got involved, saying it was not within the museum confines, that was the concern. If that event was televised and broadcasted, many other searchers may have wreaked havoc in the museum. Clearly, that was not your intent.

            Let’s just see what happens this time….

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          • lisa, next time I go to cody I want a welcoming committee, a ticker tape parade, a key to the city and a street named after me. is that too much to ask really?

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          • bob – I have officially moved the Chase Victory Party to Cody, WY. Did I mention that I planned corporate events for companies like Apple Computer and Hewlett-Packard in my twenties? I think I can handle the ticker tape parade… Oh, and I may not have mentioned I was actually an employee of Apple Computer, Inc. for 4.5 years. I am hoping Barry Petersen’s folks are reading this….

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    • Just came from Draper. There are just as many if not more “Do Not Touch” signs.
      The museum is fantastic but not worth a special trip. Save your time and money, f’s treasure is not associated with the Draper museum.

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      • dejoka- make an appointment with an eye doctor. have this doctor check both eyes. return to the Draper with your new spectacles. then tarry much and marvel gaze at the chest.

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        • Bob- I have a pic of the “do not touch” sign that is
          common throughout the museum.
          Don’t make me post it.
          The only place I saw a “please touch” sign was toward the side entry area where they had microscopes and some old bones. I touched them because the sign told me to.

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          • dejoka- hey i found an eye doctor for you…your appointment is between Sammy Davis Jr. and Sandy Duncan. can you get some autographs for me?

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  21. Makes total sense to me -A back pack and a pack box for a mule that goes on a tree of a pack saddle. Looks like that box has traveled down many a trail look at the wear on the corners and edges.

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    • WoodyBogg – You know Forrest had a pet donkey, right? There was a picture on one of his scrapbooks with that donkey in his master bedroom. And I would bet you that Forrest can tie a mean Diamond Hitch to attach anything to that donkey, including the bronze chest. A few years ago, I remember emailing Forrest and proposing that as the way he got out my trail to my spot, and asked him if he would bring his One Horse and his cute donkey to escort me out there, to protect me from My Grizz. The One Horse part was from his One Horse Land and Trading Company name.

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      • Lisa- We had donkeys on the place and one we just loved was named fig newton because he loved fig newton cookies. They are more sure footed than a horse and for their size can carry more weight. I used to pack deer and elk on that donkey. I also rode him all over the mountains.

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        • Crowdog! Yippee! – WoodyBogg and I have been talking about meeting up on Flathead Lake and going to Wild Horse Island, which made me think of our conversations we had on Forrest’s blog about that. I am so glad you are joining us here!

          And speaking of names, why don’t you tell everybody here on Mike’s blog, how you got yours?

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          • Mine came from a now pawnee medicine man i worked with , my nick name was crow anyway, so he said CROWDOG chief of the ponca well we work by the otoe and ponca reservations in oklahoma and also the pawnee post was only 30 miles away he is dear friend , he also told me the story of the seven scared arrows that the pawnee took from the cheyenne as well as their i believe morningstar ritual- in oklahoma i have around alot of indians obviously all types and kinds LOL but that was his name for me and if you look you can find a Leonard Crowdog wounded knee.
            yes wild horse were the sheep are. flathead is spectacular , but, what is not in those parts glacier to yellowstone to idaho you name it , very special as you notice also the asians love it as dearly as well do!

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  22. september 2013
    On my first visit to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West my primary search area was the gun museum. I thought the bronze box was partially concealed in one of the displays there. of course i did not find the bronze box at the gun museum. secondly, I wanted to search the plains indian museum also looking in every display hoping to find maybe just an exposed corner or side of the bronze box. no luck there either. then, there is a museum dedicated to Buffalo Bill himself. I didnt think FF would hide the bronze box in Bill’s personal museum because of all the hints in TTOTC to Buffalo Bill, that would be too easy. we looked anyway. But then my search partner and I stumbled on to the Draper. I didnt even know this museum of natural history existed. The one word over the entrance in 2013 was “YELLOWSTONE”. wow! we said, we gotta check this out. upon entering the Draper the first thing you see is a log cabin with a sign that reads….Expedition Trailhead. Wow! again. this is interesting. and the trailhead begins at the 10,000 foot elevation. Forrest had already made the “above 5,000 foot” remark on the Today show, and his “below 10,200” foot comment was made shortly after our visit to the Draper. then we found the stamps. the stamps coincide with the postmarks in TTOTC. my search partner and i looked at each other in disbelief and at the same instant we both said….This is it !!! now to take the trail down to an elevation of just above 5,000 feet and find the bronze box. we searched for hours to no avail snapping photos the whole time. the bronze box is not there, which i would later get confirmation of this fact from FF himself through the curator of the Draper Dr. Charles Preston.

    The photo I have asked Mike to post here is a large wooden chest in the Harold McCracken display at the Draper near the 5,000 foot level. I leaned over the guardrail and opened that chest looking for the bronze box. the bronze box was not in it. The empty backpack on top of that chest was lying there loosely, I had to replace it best I could to its original position when I closed the lid. the backpack was positioned to cover part of a word so that only the letters “IN” are exposed. On the long drive back to Florida, my search partner and I came to the conclusion that this indeed is the solution to the poem in TTOTC. all that is needed is to take a photo of this chest, the letters IN and the feet of Harold McCracken because the blaze is feet, and send it to Fenn. so we did that and shortly thereafter is when he made the statement …..”few are in tight focus with a word that is key”.

    now fast forward to 2015. I went back to the museum to check the display again. this time, the lid to that chest was screwed shut I could not open it and the backpack was securely fastened too. fastened in such a way that only the letters “IN” are exposed. as in “brave and IN the wood”.
    why is the empty backpack fastened in such a way?
    Forrest has spoken of an empty backpack from time to time.

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        • Lisa- its been awhile since i visited the museum and i cant remember where the stuffed grizzlies are. but i know you wont find a photo of the archaeology display with the chest online.

          Mike post my photo please!

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        • bob – A few years ago, there was a video of the Draper tour on this same website, but it has been changed since. There is an image in this video at the 1:00 mark that shows that Archaeological display, but you’re right, there is no chest visible in it. But since you said that the Archaeological display is at the five thousand foot level, I’m assuming the grizzly bears are located above that, in which case, “put in below the home of Brown” applies to the wooden chest, if Brown is the grizzlies. I plan to “look quickly down” in the McCracken Research Library, where that Forrest Fenn Oral History, that is no longer available to the public, is located. And then I will “listen good” to that…

          centerofthewest.org/explore/greater-yellowstone-natural-history/

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          • lisa, the home of Brown is the Byrd Naturalist cabin at the expedition trailhead of the Draper. this is where you “put in”.
            I explain this fact in greater detail here on Mikes blog under the Poem 2:4 thread, the first two comments are mine.

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          • Lisa, I agree completely that the McCracken research library could be title to the gold and a trove for all to seek.

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          • bob – I may just have the gas money really soon here to be able to travel to Cody to the museum. When I do, do you want to join me there? I am well networked at our local library here, with the folks that run our Regional History department. They also do extensive oral histories, and I believe I will have the ability to listen to Forrest’s oral history in the McCracken through this means. Ever since I joined The Chase, I have always wanted to go to the museums in Cody…

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          • lisa, sure i would love to meet you there and any other searchers who would like to just take the chest and go in peace!

            i’m not sure you can hear all of Forrest’s oral history though. as I understand it he has some things there at the library that are not to be opened until sometime after his death. just like JD Salinger.

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          • bob – Yes, I remember reading something about that file not being available until after 2025 or something. But I still want to go to the museums in Cody with you.

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          • lisa, well i have used up all my vacation time for this year but i could do like a three day weekend. and since im in florida i would have to make flight plans at least two months in advance. it sure would be nice to organize a searchers meet up in Cody. sometime in October?

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          • bob -. Bummer. By October I hope to be planning The Chase Victory Party in the West Yellowstone area…

            We’ll just see what the Universe has in store for both of us to connect at the Cody Museum. Maybe I need to make a phone call to your boss?

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          • sure Lisa, call my boss its OK with me.
            Bill Allred 321-267-4541 monday thru friday 8:00 am to 5:00 pm est.

            i think allowing the Universe to handle it is a better idea.

            and i’m sure three days is enough time to get everything done anyway.

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          • Lisa- I have invited Barry Petersen of CBS news to join us at the Draper to do the story. still waiting for his reply. hope you dont mind. the more the merrier right?

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          • bob – That sounds great! Maybe Barry Petersen can pick you up in Florida, and you two can fly to the Hailey Airport in Sun Valley? And then we can all take the CBS plane to the Draper. Then I don’t have to spend the gas money that I plan to receive, when I sell the huge diamond I found in town here. Coincidentally I am waiting to hear from a veteran local jeweler, also named Barry Peterson, about what he will pay for it. And the great Thrill of the Chase story continues…

            Just a little indicator of the good luck I might be having….

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          • Lisa, i dont expect Barry to pick me up and I would actually prefer dancing on the rudder pedals alone with Christina in a cross wind.

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          • Wow, Lisa!

            You found a diamond in town? I’d love to hear that story one day. I know there’s a lot of ancient volcanic activity there in Idaho. The old lava flows are visible for hundreds of miles.

            I even pulled off the side of the highway there…years ago…on the way to Sun Valley…and picked up some flat lava chunks to put in my 125 gallon African Cichlid aquarium.

            So…all that volcanic activity might mean that a kimberlite pipe is near there…which explains the diamond you found…

            You’re very lucky. I wish I had your luck.

            Listening to others’ stories of success keeps me searching…and dreaming.

            Thanks for sharing. That’s a flippin’ ripper! 🙂

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          • JC1117 – Sadly, it was not a huge raw diamond I found…it was a nearly perfectly cut and brilliantly florescent one, though.

            As to the volcanics of this area, that is all very interesting to me, especially Craters of the Moon National Monument, which partially due to our Facebook comment efforts, is no longer up for review:

            www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/07/13/two-national-monuments-are-no-longer-up-for-review-interior-says-that-leaves-25/

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    • Bob – I agree totally with the one word ”YELLOWSTONE” Although the ”YELLOWSTONE” may not be what most people think!!! Also I am not speaking of gold either!!

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    • Interpreting, markers or clues can sometimes be an Art in itself but most of the time the information is obvious as long as you break it down to the simplest form. ”That’s the Key”

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    • bob: then we found the stamps. the stamps coincide with the postmarks in TTOTC.

      Tell me more about these stamps. What do you me by “coincide”? That’s a little vague. Do they have the same dates on them? Now that would be something.

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      • mike, i emailed you the photo with the stamping device from the Draper. thanks in advance for posting it here for me.
        as you can see from the photo the stamping device is for kids. at the expedition trailhead, kids get a “passport” like a real passport, it gets stamped to show where they have been. the passport is folded paper accordion style with different sections. the Draper begins at 10,000 feet in elevation at the alpine level. kids and their parents are exposed to all things found at Yellowstone at the alpine level. at the end of the alpine level the kids take a touch screen test. (the answer(s) I already know.) if they pass the test they can get their passport stamped and proceed down to the next level. after completion of each level, that level is then “cancelled” so to speak. like the cancelled stamps in TTOTC at each chapter. i cant remember how many levels there are for stamps, between 7-9 as elevations go from 10,000 feet down to 4,500. i had a close up photo of a passport but i cant find it. how the stamps coincide with TTOTC is each level of elevation can be considered a “chapter” of the Draper experience. Level=Chapter…..cancelled stamp.
        is a loose association, i know. but arent all cluse/hints loose? vague. difficult but not impossible.

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      • Merry Christmas to all who are celebrating the birth of Christ, or escaping wound up little kids;-)

        Just for you Lisa in Sun Valley…
        1. One intended hint with “well here’s Moses”
        Is ‘Pharoh let my people go.
        2. How many times must Moses appeal to Pharoh, before God took away Pharoh’s cherished heir?

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          • Lisa, my comments about Moses/Pharaoh truly hold valuable hints that I was putting forth as a gift to you, as you’ve always been helpful to others. (It wasn’t meant as a message). It was my gift for you and anyone on this blog who understands how to apply the comments..

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        • That is a Beautiful Christmas message, Anna.

          I’ve always found it Amazing that the Israelites were passed over and saved by the Blood of The Lamb…while the First-Born died.

          All Good Things point to Christ.

          Merry Christmas.

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          • Amen JC1117 & Lisa – I couldn’t agree more. Hope you all enjoyed the warmth of family and friends while celebrating both the humanity and deity of Jesus Christ. For those who believe…that God departed paradise, and arrived on earth wrapped in human flesh…to understand our weaknesses, and become the ultimate sacrifice for our iniquity…is beyond amazing, beyond humbling.
            I cherish the freedom to remind others that God’s wish for mankind is good news.

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    • A similar expression in Portuguese is…

      “Cada cabeça uma sentença”

      …where “sentença” means “judgment…ruling…verdict”.

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  23. Bob – I think the end of the rainbow – Gold and more and where the bronze box is @ the same prox. location . How and what we think in reguards to TTOTC is based on the knowledge each of us have and the way we think about it.

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    • The Spanish used markers on the mountains to designate where their gold mines were. The squared ”U” would indicate a doorway , entrance or mouth . Reference to the double omegga, It would be carved in an already carved dip in the ridgeline of a mountain. There would be trails leading to these mines , and markers on the way with reduced sizes of the ”u” symbol. The smaller the ”u” the closer a person was to the cache. If you look at the reference of this from FF in TTOTC there upside down means from the top down. Also his reference of the Big mouth Bass . Indicate entrance or mouth. I will post more to come .

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      • There are many things used as information such as animals or birds , Also sun and moon symbols, shadow signs,boots and hats !!!

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        • WoodyBogg – So interesting! Please keep telling us more! Coincidentally, I am headed right now up to the Galena Lodge area, to hike the Mineshaft Trail. Going to the old mine for the first time, high above the lodge. Wish me luck! The whole area was a hugely successful mining venture in the late 1800s. I expect to find a huge gold nugget on the way…

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          • Lisa -I wish I was going to check that out with you . Keep your eyes open a person just never knows . Although that mine probably was lode gold not placer gold . That would mean they had to crush the ore and extract the gold from it . The rock most likely had quartz veins in it that held the gold!! Have fun and Good luck!!!

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