TTOTC

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  1. TTOTC book summary….
    from our own A-Team member Bur, I learned that the Important Literature for solving this puzzle is Buffalo Bill’s autobiography. what forrest has done is mirror his early life in the chapters from First Grade to Stout Hearted Men to that of Buffalo Bill. In Buffalo Bills autobiography you will find many similarities.
    My War for Me is a break, in fact this chapter was written many years ago before TTOTC and I dont believe the are any hints in this chapter.
    Naturally, after My War for Me forrest goes into civilian life…his gallery days and family. Gallery or…. Museum same thing.

    so the whole book is simply Buffalo Bill and Museum. with poem in hand we are to tour the Buffalo Bill Museum to find the “chest”.

    when the treasure hunt was made public in 2010, not much happened. It wasnt until the Margie Goldsmith (?) article in Hemispheres magazine that things took off. that was january 2013 i think. the poem being so vague, and book hints practically invisible that forrest decided everyone needed help. so he wrote Too Far To Walk. TFTW came out around august 2013. In TFTW he mentions being on the board of directors at the Buffalo Bill Center of the West. the museum. here is the big hint from TTOTC that nobody got. but still, we went tromping around in the woods. much to Forrest delight.

    side note-
    I always wondered how he could go to all the trouble of writing TFTW, having it printed, and distributed with the bronze box out there waiting to be found? because from january of 2013 after the hemispheres article, until august of 2013 it is quite possible the bronze box could have been found, making TFTW worthless. Forrest knew nobody would find the bronze box in that time period….because the bronze box is not out there to be found.

    opinion mine.

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    • Forrest knows the chest is no longer out there as he was part of its retrieval. He’s in too deep and to own up to it would destroy his legacy which to him is more important than being honest……shame. Dal and Shiloh are part of the game but hey…….it’s selling books and that appears to be more important.

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  2. Here you have it folks…….YOU NEED THE BOOK !

    Featured Question with Forrest Fenn: 500 Years from Now
    Posted on August 9, 2016 by Jenny Kile
    the thrill of the chaseHello Forrest,

    If in 500 years all a person has is the poem, and no back story: they don’t know “in the rocky mountains north of santa fe” or that there are 9 clues etc. Could a person reasonably just use the words in the poem and find your treasure chest?

    Thank you ~Nope
    Thank you Nope. Nope. f

    Do you see the way he answered this – in two sections – very well aware of the use of a colon. This is the same way the poem needs to be taken apart – bit by bit.

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    • inthechaseto- you are mistaken, allow me to correct.

      the first- Thank You, Nope. is from the writer of the question. the person who wrote the question is named Nope. jenny made a mistake in posting the question when she grouped the writers closing line too close to Forrest’s response.

      the only reply from Forrest was- Thank You Nope. Nope. f

      also, of utmost importance to me is the phrase “treasure chest” Nope did not ask about the bronze box. Forrest’s treasure chest can be many things so what exactly is Nope talking about? there is no clarification by either Nope nor Forrest. so, what is Forrest talking about in his reply to Nope?
      you guess is as good as mine. and possibly none of it has to do with the bronze box. I wish just one time someone on the weekly questions would mention the bronze box specifically.

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  3. Or had to be lockable to keep fools from turning the water on and just leaving it running. Also in remote areas people haul water because they dont have any. Imagine paying for water for the whole county.

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  4. Drawing pg 146 epilogue, end of book and end of search. The axe man has cut down trees for a building designed by Ted C. Luna. Luna=moon and the nest represents Eagle Nest NM. Near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. And here is the “chest”.

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    • Bob – In another comment yesterday,…you posted a reminder that yesterday was December 7th,…the date that Pearl Harbor was attcked in 1941. I couldn’t help but remember,…since I am reading “Unbroken”,…the story of an AAF bomber pilot, Louie Zamperini,…who was later stationed on Oahu. I think that was a footlocker in your photo:

      www.goodreads.com/review/show/156668107

      “In the early days of 1943, as men died one after another, every man dealt with the losses in a different way. Somewhere along the way, a ritual sprang up. If a man didn’t return, the others would open his footlocker, take out his liquor, and have a drink in his honor. In a war without funerals, it was the best they could do.”

      And:

      Louie and what remains of his original crew are sent off on a rescue mission to search for the missing B-24 piloted by Clarence Corpening. As custom had it Louie wrote “If we’re not back in a week, help yourself to the booze” on a note he placed on his footlocker.

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      • E- in that Doug Scott bronze the soldier is sitting on an ammo can. Right next to a courtyard of aspen trees that surround a fountain. Remember what Frosty said? You’re CANNED! Or fired, hints to ammo.

        And interestingly, here’s another “chest” I found at the memorial. Almost exactly same dimensions as FF’s bronze chest, this one is made of plywood and has a water faucet inside. Yes, I walked on the grass and opened it since it was not locked. It’s located on the grounds in front of the visitor center right under the New Mexico State flag. The American and black POW flags are there too. What I didn’t understand is why a cheap faucet in a plywood box obviously to keep it from freezing but I’m sure they have enough money to do the job right which would have been to install a frost free faucet. It seemed to me this box was conspicuously placed for searchers of FF treasure.

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      • Bob – Oh,…right,…the Bronze Chest could be secreted inside an Ammo Box. My former landlord used those for water-tight storage while on the Colorado River. It looks like they are used for other purposes there, too:

        The first time someone told me the toileting technique mandated by the United States government was to first pee in the river and then poop in a metal ammo box (the infamous “grover”), which would be packed, along with our food stuff for the entire trek…well, I thought they were joking. They were not.

        sanddollaradventures.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/river-groover_thumb.jpg?w=354&h=484

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          • Me too, Deb…butt I always thought it was “put in BELOW the home of Brown” not “put IN the home of brown”. On the bright side, the view from HIS perspective is incredible. That’s what I call a THRONE! 🙂

            “Somebody” needs some sun on their legs.

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    • Perhaps not but the Vietnam Memorial is “Where Warm Waters Halt”.,..Vietnam is surrounded by warm waters, warm water tears are shed at the memorial and “halt” is a military expression. Just so happens there is an airstrip directly across from the memorial.

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  5. Bob:
    Hey everyone! Update on my Telluride trip: I changed it to December 3rd thru 10th. Flying to Albuquerque, renting car, to Telluride. So if any searchers want to meet up to discuss dumb ideas let me know. I only drink beer when I’m alone or with somebody so I’m easy to get along with. I’m making side trips to Mesa verde and Durango. Plan on fishing too (with a non-resident liscense this time) lol

    Would like to meet you for drinks or dinner or something Bob. Let me know if thats possible.

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  6. Bob:
    Jamie, thanks for that info. Here at Mikes we have E, who will take that information and run with it. Run to where god only knows. Lol

    Yes and those places always are both entertaining and fun. 🙂
    I have learned so much from E*.
    Thanks E* and you too Bob. You also are a suprising font of knowledge. 🙂

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    • Hi Deb! Hey I’m going to Telluride at the end of November, maybe we could meet in Santa Fe after all the hubbub when I find the chest.

      And yes, I must give E an E for effort as well.

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  7. E*:
    Bob – Just for you:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=THbY7EL8k5w

    “You’re off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz”

    E- thanks for that Oz movie clip there is no better example of “put in below the home of Brown” than when Dorothy walks by auntie Em’s house on the Yellow Brick Road.
    This is where her adventure begins. The warm water had halted when rain turns to hail, preceding a tornado. After running away from home, searching for answers as young adults do, finds help from three friends who represent wisdom, love and courage. It is traumatic events that bring out these qualities in us. Leaving home is traumatic to a youngster.
    Which brings us to stanza 3 on bravery.

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  8. Inthechaseto- here’s a place for you to look for the treasure in Colorado.
    Telluride.

    For Tell:
    First Grade- “He TOLD my friend Billy Joe Ray…”
    “My father TALKED sometimes…”
    …and sometimes MENTIONED things to the kids…”

    No Place For Biddies-
    (notice in the drawing of the biddies in gossip, hands cupped to mouths)
    “Lots of people are always SAYING…”
    “…overheard two ladies TALKING…”
    “…mother always TOLD me…”

    Jump Starting the Learning Curve-
    (notice the drawing of father instructing son)
    “…all the bravery was in my TALK…”
    “…by TALKING spanish all the time…”
    “…unless they were SAYING something I wanted to hear…”
    “…My father once TOLD me …”
    “…why he would TELL me….”
    “…he TOLD me…”

    These three chapters emphasis is on TELL.

    For U (you, himself)
    bessie and ME
    MY spanish toy factory
    ME in the middle
    surviving MYSELF
    MY brother being skippy

    These chapter titles are for U

    For RIDE:

    the long RIDE home

    Looking for Lewis And Clark- it’s all about the horse ride.
    Buffalo Cowboys- riding in a car.
    Stout Hearted Men- getting a ride home from college.

    TELLURIDE!!!

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    • Of the states in play, Colorado is the only one I found that had a Yellow Brick Road. It is located in a higher elevation than Telluride. My HOB is from The Wizard of Oz as auntie Em’s home. The one Dorothy rode out the tornado in an landed on the wicked witch of the east. And also below the home was the Yellow Brick Road. The end of which was ever drawing left, as Dorothy started her journey spiraling to the left.
      Gold ingots are yellow bricks.
      Auntie Em’s full name was Emily Elizabeth Brown. I’m following the book and poem precisely. To Telluride. I’ve already posted here on Mikes blog that the chapter Tea With Olga contains the seven primary colors of the rainbow. A hint to The Wizard of Oz, and colorful Colorado. When noting a city and state, they are written in that order; city and state. Therefore the chapters in TTOTC are in that order as well- city and state….Telluride, CO.

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          • Bob – And if you’ve been to the landing strip,…above Telluride,…you will know why some think the city’s name is a contraction of “To Hell You Ride”,…especially if your plane misses the runway!

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          • Hello, Bob and E*. That intro to Top Gun is awesome. It can only be appreciated with surround sound and deep bass to capture, at least, some of the roar of those powerful jet engines. Forrest is a lucky man to have experienced that AND lived through it.

            And who doesn’t enjoy inhaling the helium from some balloons and singing, “We are the lollipop kids”? If I had a dollar for every time I did that…I’d have about 42 dollers. If that’s not success I don’t know what is! Seriously. 🙂

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          • E- TC (tom cruise) has houses all over the place he’s rich! I’m not going to his house when I’m in Telluride, I’m looking for treasure!

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          • Bob – I was just thinking that Tom Cruise wouldn’t mind dropping you off at that great airport,…if he was flying to his house there anyway. Does he have any treasures there,…that he bought from Forrest,…I wonder?

            OK,…there is a via ferrata somewhere around this Bridal Veil Falls area,…which means “Iron Way” (couldn’t find the Yellow Brick one). And is that Aunty Em’s house up there?

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          • E- nope I ain’t gonna hang around with Tom cruise. And no that ain’t auntie Em’s house way up on top of a mountain she lived in Kansas! And no FF didn’t go via freeta to hide the treasure! Iron way is teamwork, he went in there alone! And no, the gold belt ain’t the yellow brick road, it’s just 1-1/2 miles west of telluride!
            Don’t worry though E, when I find the bronze box I’ll post here on Mikes and then I’ll wait for you to come marvel gaze. No matter how far away you happen to be.

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          • Bob – OK,…thanks,…found it! This is the view from 115 Yellow Brick Road, Mountain Village, Telluride, CO,…which is where I just might build MY primary residence,…after I find the Bronze Chest! 🙂

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          • Bob – You wrote:

            “My HOB is from The Wizard of Oz as auntie Em’s home. The one Dorothy rode out the tornado in an landed on the wicked witch of the east. And also below the home was the Yellow Brick Road.”

            And you did say the Yellow Brick Road was in Telluride,…did you not? That is why I thought Auntie Em’s home was the one on the cliff,…next to Bridal Veil Falls,…in that photo.

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          • E- nope, I didn’t say the yellow brick road was in Telluride . I said it was higher in elevation, than Telluride and about 1 1/2 miles west. That is where I put in and take it in the canyon down. To Telluride.
            You better get crackin E, I’m takin the chest and goin in peace on November 25 2014!
            (Again)

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          • Bob – I am envious! Sounds like you will be spending a lovely Thanksgiving there. Here is the webcam site for town,…so you can check the weather,…when you land at Montrose Airport,…65 miles away:

            www.telluride.com/webcam

            And here is a lovely Fall picture of Yellow Brick Road there,…which you can follow to my newly acquired homesite!:

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          • Hey everyone! Update on my Telluride trip: I changed it to December 3rd thru 10th. Flying to Albuquerque, renting car, to Telluride. So if any searchers want to meet up to discuss dumb ideas let me know. I only drink beer when I’m alone or with somebody so I’m easy to get along with. I’m making side trips to Mesa verde and Durango. Plan on fishing too (with a non-resident liscense this time) lol

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      • Colorado also has the Ute Trail (which is also the “yellow” trail marked with gold/yellow markers all throughout accordingly) if that helps any 😉

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          • Jamie, thanks for that info. Here at Mikes we have E, who will take that information and run with it. Run to where god only knows. Lol

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          • Bob – This one is for Deb,…because she just mentioned this, “Run, Forrest, Run!”, scene,… over on Forrest’s blog (Forrest Fenn’s, that is):

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-MCPa_3rU

            It really doesn’t matter where you run,…here on “The Chase”,…does it, Bob? It is all in good fun. And very educational, too, I might add. 🙂

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          • E- you are correct, it doesn’t matter where the poem sends you. When you go with confidence. Treasure will be found. I didn’t realize I was going to Telluride during thanksgiving, thanks for pointing that out. I had to call the museum there to make sure their website was correct about re- opening on the 25th. It would be great if fellow searchers could meet in Telluride that week. Since the Santa Fe conference was cancelled. I left my new outfit in layaway, so I can pay it off by thanksgiving.

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          • Bob – What a great idea! I would love to see Telluride again,…especially with snow on the ground,…and check on the house construction, of course.

            But I’ll only come,…if I get to be Dorothy (even though you have the Ruby Flip Flops).

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          • E- ok, that house does look like auntie Em’s but, for purposes if solving the poem and puzzle book the HOB we need cannot be a real house. IMO of course.

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          • JC1117 – Yes,…when I find TC,…I will contact Ilana,…to do a “Sand Fantasy”,…to tell the story of Forrest Fenn and his Bronze Chest. Wouldn’t that be neat?

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          • Hello, E*. That would be very cool. Ilana looks very talented. It’s an interesting art form. It’s so temporary. The Kansas song, “Dust in the Wind” comes to my mind…which I don’t completely agree with …ideologically… but if more people REALLY took the time to meditate upon “fragile” and temporary we all are…would we live our day-to-day lives differently? Would we spend more time loving and serving one another in spite of our differences?

            Btw, Dorothy looks absolutely stunning in those Ruby Slippers. Mmmm…sparkly. “I’ve always wanted a sparkly…of my very own.” (Silly Raven.) Good thing I already have one that I treasure. 🙂

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  9. FF uses the word nickel quite often in TTOTC. Maybe this is a hint to the buffalo nickel and buffalo bill. The Jefferson nickel was introduced in 1938 I think, so the references to nickel in TTOTC were before that.
    Possibly the CE5 on the latch of the chest means – see five. Or the word that is key, to open the latch, open the puzzle..is nickel. Important page numbers in TTOTC that end in 5…
    5
    15
    25
    35
    45
    55
    65
    105
    115
    125
    135
    145

    I remember when somebody a while back posted an enhanced (tight focus) photo of the bronze box, creating much discussion.

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  10. Well fellow chasers if you have been following my posts for the last couple weeks you have seen what I have found to be my connections with Forrest Fenn, his book TTOTC, and the poem with William F. Cody a.k.a Buffalo Bill Cody. This is my final synopsis on how I feel on what I have written. As I said in one of my posts that I believe Cody is the ” main thread” in the book. My reason are all the connections – coincidences I have wrote about here and many I haven’t because they are connections to connections. If or as you can see some of my finds “mirror” Fenn’s with Cody’s life so close that I feel they could be one at times. I have talked about the main thread but there is also a “theme”, and what I see it is related to the illustration on page 20 Chapter Old Biddies. That illustration appears to be copied from a Norman Rockwell image called ” American Mirror”. This book, Forrest life, and yes, even Cody’s life is about being a true “American”. Both Fenn and Cody as youths were good ole American adventurous country boys, both became American Military Solders, both became American entrepreneurs, both have had dealing with Native American Indians, both have become American storytellers and writers of books, and both have left a legacy here in America. Whether or not you want to believe in my findings and my scenario makes no difference to me. I have had fun researching for the past 2years and truly believe that when the treasure is finally found that it’s location will pertain to things I have written about somehow. It is also my belief that the “blaze” will be found out to be the “American Flag” and it’s morning shadow will point to the direction of the solve which will be 1block- 660ft.- 100 paces from it. As you know I have not given a location in which I believe the chest can be, just areas for thought. The reason for this is that when it is found and if I’m correct in my findings I can say to myself this is what this adventure was really about “The Thrill of The Chase” and I was on the right ” trail”. Good luck to everyone on your searches, and I hope you make it fun for yourself being one of Fenn’s chasers. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts. Bur

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      • Well Inthechaseto, as I had stated I’m out of the physical part of the chase. All I have been posting was to put a bug in someone’s ear and evidently that has worked because I’m in contact with some chasers that have found my findings interesting and since I have not shared all I have I decided to combine thoughts and research with them. For me it is not about me having the treasure anymore ( I’m Happy with my life) it’s just in the knowing and sharing, and yes now everyone knows, it’s all about “America’s” ancient past. Bur

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    • Bur – I concur with your intentions and your sentiments,…and I appreciate all that you have shared. Thank you! 🙂

      Arguss33 – I think Bur just gave you a BIG hint,…doesn’t that old post office,…in the Yankee Coal Camp,…have an American Flag? Could TC be just one block away,…100 paces or 660 ft.,…away from that flag?

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      • The block north of Santa Fe is Colorado. One block north. Because some of the western and Midwestern states are almost square or block shaped. Two blocks north would be Wyoming.

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          • Bob – Yeah,…and Montana has that evil looking profile of Forrest,…on the Western border,…that is always looking down on me,…here in Idaho. I always feel like I am being WATCHED!!!!

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          • Wow! So that’s what they look like all put together! Now I can finish mine thanks Mr E*!
            California is out of place but that’s an easy one.

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        • So true Bob and now let’s flip a “coin” and figure which state. Was there ever a B.B.C coin? 🙂 Do you think Skippy and Forrest ever flipped a coin on which way to go on the way back from one of those trips to Yellowstone? Bur

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          • Bur – Your comment about Skippy and Forrest coming back from Yellowstone,…reminded me of when Forrest got out of the car,…and Skippy took off without him. I wonder if they went to any Mountain Man Rendezvous reenactments together back then?:

            In the scrapbook, “Annabella’s Hat”, Forrest wrote:

            “I have a collection of fire starters and have used them at mountain man rendezvous, but would never have thought what he did was possible.”

            And there was a picture in one of his books of him wearing a strange white hat at one of those events. Richard Saunier wrote a funny story pertaining to this topic,…in which the Mountain Man Rendezvous of 1832 at Pierre’s Hole was mentioned::

            mountainwalk.org/2012/03/20/what-do-tom-fitzpatrick-e-jean-carroll-and-forrest-fenn-have-in-common/
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre's_Hole

            But,…Forrest said that the treasure is not in Idaho,…and the state is shaped like an arrowhead,…and not a block. Nevermind! 🙂

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  11. Recurring themes in TTOTC: darkness, cold, walking in the cold, loss of shoes.

    Hints in TTOTC: Buffalo Bill Cody, Wizard of Oz

    To me it all means related to the burial of Buffalo Bill or the ruby slippers. Not sure where to go from here. I wonder if Buffalo Bill owned a pair of red boots like Ted Mosby.

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  12. I’ve noticed some similarities of the book TTOTC and the bronze box.
    Bronze box dimensions: 10x10x5 inches
    TTOTC : 10x9x1 inches (approx)

    Color of both: bronze

    Contents of both: treasures

    The bronze box once held a book of days, TTOTC is a book of Forrest’s days.

    On the cover of TTOTC is a pile of gold coins and old photographs of FF, indicating that memories of youth are treasure.

    To see inside either the bronze box or TTOTC, you must lift the lid.

    Both contain the many colored treasures that make up the story that is the life of Forrest Fenn.

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    • Bob – I have been thinking about that “Tomacita” pseudonym,…used for Scrapbook Sixt Seven,…and came up with this 1963 film,…featuring Thomasina the Cat:

      www.imdb.com/title/tt0057579/

      Which made me think of the names of Mark Twain’s beloved cats:

      wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_the_names_of_mark_twains_favorite_cats#slide=1&article=What_were_the_names_of_mark_twains_favorite_cats

      And then this catoon and song:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM

      www.songlyrics.com/macabre-minstrels/the-cat-came-back-lyrics/

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      • Hello, E*. From the looks of it, all of Mark Twain’s favorite cats were named “Poopsy”. Hmmm…I NEVER knew. I would have thought Samuel Clemens would have thought of something more original. It seems there would have already been a “Poopsy” on every street corner back in his day…and that’s no bull. It’s amazing the things a person can learn if they will just listen…or believe everything they read online? :\

        “The Cat Came Back” song is funny. I didn’t know that was written by the Macabre Minstrels. I wrote a song years ago and tried to pitch it to them, but for some reason they just chuckled and told me to get lost. The song was about a grumpy, rose-cheeked minstrel who dreamed of one day owning the greatest treasure he could imagine…a Vespa scooter!!!

        I still have no idea why the Minstrels turned down my song. It was right up their alley…really. The song was even titled, “The Minstrel’s Cycle”.

        I still don’t understand why they didn’t like it.

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        • JC1117 – The names were Stray Kit, Abner, Motley, Fraeulein, Lazy, Buffalo Bill, Soapy Sall, Cleveland, Sour Mash and Pestilence and Femine.

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          • Precisely, E*. I’m sure a grumpy, rose-cheeked Minstrel would be just as proud to have a Kinetic Vespa as a “friend”. Is that Cherry Red, by chance? 🙂

            Sorry, I haven’t had a lot of time to type recently as I’m getting ready for another out-of-town business trip. There are a lot of tools to pack. I do enjoy reading now and then, though, and feeling re-charged from fellow chasers’ optimism. I want to thank all you guys for your motivation and support of each and all…us stragglers included.

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          • JC1117 – On your rose-cheeked Minstrel’s proposed preference,…to have a (yes,…Cherry Red) Kinetic Vespa,…as a “friend”:

            The ET model range stuck true to the wasp/aero design principles. It was lighter, more aerodynamic, had an automatic gearbox and could take a series of engines from a 50 cc in either two-stroke or four-stroke, up to a 150 cc four stroke.

            That sounds like a winner to me! I will look for one of either of those abandoned scooters,…to be the “blaze”,…near my spot. It will probably be easy to see from the ground,…yet camoflaged,… under a shrubbery,…and not easily seen,…from Google Earth. I hope the gas tank is full. 🙂

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        • JC1117 – I really like the Canadian cartoon I included in my first post,…about, “The Cat Came Back” song,…did you happen to see the woman,…and then the cow,…tied to the railroad tracks??? But I also found this video,…that features the singing and the lyrics,…of the Macabre Minstrels:

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2PgypoAaE

          I’ll bet everyone on this blog,…thinks of me as that yellow cat (See: the Coward vs. the Grizz),…who comes back,…every day,…to post,…wreaking havoc,…everywhere I can. I wouldn’t recommend trying to get rid of me, though! 😉

          p.s. I made an animated cartoon,…to, “The Cat Came Back”,…with my classmates in Fifth Grade. We sang the song with our folk guitarist,…who came to play with/for us,…once a week.

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  13. I was kind of afraid this would happen after Forrests latest posts that people would stop posting their ideas . 🙁
    That might be what some searchers want, to shut down peoples imaginative solves. I dont think that was Forrests intentions.

    See people have been going to every canyon down with any warm water possible. How is that any different than looking at the book and basing your solve off of the imagination you may see in the book? Its no different if you ask me.

    I took my clues from the book. All those night time illustrations. That led me to stars. The altered art work led us all to Norman Rockwell. Norman Rockwell is a storyteller genre artist. Those stars have stories attached to them. Before people could read they shared knowledge by telling stories. Isnt Forrest telling us a story? Dont stop thinking. 🙂

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  14. My friends can one of you, who has access, please go over to Stephanie’s Forum then go to the topic named “Let’s Assume” and tell those posters who are going back and forth about the man who goes by the letter f that vgboss says, with strong confidence, that this man, f, is a Prophet when it comes to his POEM. And close by saying that the “Chest” is right in front of their nose which is practically shouting & screaming at them but that they are unable to see “it” for they are not hearing and listening good. Thanks!

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  15. The Chase thread has become too large again. It throws me offline and wont allow responces without timing out. So if anyone wants to talk, maybe we can do it here?

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    • Beautiful deb this thread is too large as well just like many others throughout this entire TTOTC blog and ofcourse it’s due to all the Dangerous Intel.

      Maybe Mike will notice, as he always does, and will begin a new Chase thread for us to blow-up with lots more Dangerous Intel and close-out this Thrill of the Chase with a awesome bang that is ofcourse first with a few more posts from the man at the controls…Forrest Fenn.

      Geydelkon is waiting for December I’m more interested in next month…MAY!

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      • Heck, I am interested in tomorrow.lol
        I got a steroid injection in my shoulder today. Havent felt this good in months. 🙂
        Best thing is it works on all my old lady aches (snickers). Better than the alternative. 🙂

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      • Hey VGboss , May is a great month. June 7th is even better. Will you be in Colorado? I will be heading up to Wyoming then up to Montana for 2 week in June. I am going to do a little fishing and then do a little fishing. What do you think?

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        • Goodmorning Geydelkon,

          Early June sounds great but no my friend I will not be up in Colorado I will possibly be in Santa Fe, New Mexico around that time.

          So you will be up in Wyoming and Montana doing a little fishing as well as a little fishing… that is so awesome. Hey you should email Forrest and see if he sells you or gives you some of his flies…you know the ones he makes. Just a thought.

          As far as your other “fishing” adventure I’m sure you will find and see many treasures no doubt about that.

          2 weeks…WOW…nice!

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  16. Today I wanted to scan in the photo of the Main Street cowboys. I looked at it pixel by pixel. Then on the left side where the photo appears washed, looked like it has been photoshopped. It was strange because what stuck out is thousands of w’s. Hey VGboss can you confirm my findings?
    Anyway, what intrigued me to look deeper was the color green writing on the photos, it was interesting.

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      • Deb, yes I do know about the omega w. Do you think it is kind of odd that in the book there are only 2 distinct colors being used? Green on the Main Street cowboys picture and purple on his ID card on the beginning of his book and again on the back of the book. Then again, my eyes are aging. On his id, why is there a edge of a stamp with his picture of him younger covering the stamp.

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  17. Musstag:
    I see it Bur… but…. wow its a stretch, and what does it get you?

    Musstag, I don’t know where this image gets you. My focus is on a couple of other things on the map and some illustrations. I was just trying to put a face to Will’s image. Bur

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  18. azuredeb:
    Im going to post a few questions,if anything of interest to you please post.
    Has anyone else figured out what the school photo on pages 18 &19 is about?

    Is Miss Ford important in your solve?

    Does Skippy holding a fish in his mouth mean anything in your solve?How about all the things Skippy does, any meaning for you? Why should Skippy have been buried standing up?

    Did you notice the car 65 & 66 has no engine in it? So how does the story relate?

    Did you use any Spanish words or translations to tie to your area?

    Do twins come into play in your solve? Do mirror reflections?

    Did you find the significance of the knotted rope?

    The much discussed tea colors,did you find the meaning in yourarea? Why is it mentioned in the same chapter with Taos Mountain? Why did he have to fly over?
    What is the sinificance of Olgas bathtub?

    Do the words she would rather fight than switch,shes done alot of switching,and Peggy was there waiting somewhere for me..mean anything in your opinion?

    In my solve the painting on page 104 is a place in my search area.Any significance to you or just distraction?

    Im going to throw in Beowulf here,even though it came out on Forrests blog. Do you have a tie to a alligator?

    Do you have any thoughts on the sleeping on Monday?More distraction?

    Did you find a connection to all the things listed in the treasure chest?They are related.

    Do the pictures of the treasure chest,the map and frogs have meaning to your solve? How about the bells?

    What about that frog?Why frogs?

    So many things in the books that can lead us to the end of that rainbow.

    So are the books important or not?

    very nice post Deb, here are my answers, and these are all just imo

    1) i believe i have figured it out to relate to 2 things, im not sure which, or both. the arrow drawn on the ground is a hint of one. 18th word of the poem is “where” and “w” missing from Edard another. i believe 18 to be the important page here, not 19.

    2) Yes

    3) a)Skippy holding a fish, no, but this photo is very important. b)i think the story of the plane are hints to altitude. c)buried standing up i think means the chest is buried standing up, meaning from the ground to the top of the chest will be about 5 inches above the bottom of the hole.

    4) i don’t know

    5) Yes

    6) a)not sure b)Yes

    7) Yes

    8) a)meaningful clue, but not to the area b) not sure c) i think the hint is he decided on the lower part of the mountain, not the top d) i think i know but will decline to say

    9) not sure but i see the reference to a switch significant in SURVIVING MYSELF. the word paddle is in the poem and is only mentioned once in the book. a paddle is different from a switch, yet when you read SM, forrest is talking about them like they are interchangeable. a switch would be a firm but flexible thin rod. comparable to a fishing rod. it says no paddle up your creek but heavy loads, loads on a fishing rod relates to its flexibility when its bowed back to be released.

    10) Page 104 is huge

    11) No

    12) There is an important clue here

    13) the dragon coat bracelet is an important clue

    14) this question is a little too broad, decline to answer

    15) frogs are found in certain types of terrain.

    16) the books? you mean TTOTC and TFTW? TTOTC is important. TFTW, i don’t know, but it isn’t needed.

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    • Deb –

      I will answer yes to every question with the exception of:

      Sleeping on Monday – haven’t explored that avenue yet.

      The Chest – never thought about a relationship of all that is in it. I have just explored the turquoise bracelet – which is a clue.

      I think the books are important – but it could be found without them.

      Very nice post Deb !

      One other thing about Skippy being buried standing up – there is a man buried that way in an old cemetery, high up on a mesa outside of Grand Junction. I’ve been there. So that could be a clue to the area or the state.

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  19. Im going to post a few questions, if anything of interest to you please post.
    Has anyone else figured out what the school photo on pages 18 &19 is about?

    Is Miss Ford important in your solve?

    Does Skippy holding a fish in his mouth mean anything in your solve? How about all the things Skippy does, any meaning for you? Why should Skippy have been buried standing up?

    Did you notice the car 65 & 66 has no engine in it? So how does the story relate?

    Did you use any Spanish words or translations to tie to your area?

    Do twins come into play in your solve? Do mirror reflections?

    Did you find the significance of the knotted rope?

    The much discussed tea colors, did you find the meaning in your area? Why is it mentioned in the same chapter with Taos Mountain? Why did he have to fly over?
    What is the sinificance of Olgas bathtub?

    Do the words she would rather fight than switch,shes done alot of switching,and Peggy was there waiting somewhere for me..mean anything in your opinion?

    In my solve the painting on page 104 is a place in my search area. Any significance to you or just distraction?

    Im going to throw in Beowulf here, even though it came out on Forrests blog. Do you have a tie to a alligator?

    Do you have any thoughts on the sleeping on Monday? More distraction?

    Did you find a connection to all the things listed in the treasure chest? They are related. 🙂

    Do the pictures of the treasure chest, the map and frogs have meaning to your solve? How about the bells?

    What about that frog? Why frogs?

    So many things in the books that can lead us to the end of that rainbow.

    So are the books important or not?

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  20. The last few days I wondered about the design of his book and it’s layout. One thing that I can’t find is the type of paper he used to print the inner pages. What I found interesting that it is very similar to the type of paper used in producing postage stamps. So can anyone find a link that explains this type of Platinum silk #100 and who manufactures it? Did my mind stumble on to a clue. Think about it, canceled postal prints on his pages. I also did not find any postal cancel stamps with the date and the day. Just thinking, I got a headache.

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  21. ARGUS33:
    Chris, I don’t really understand how you came to get those numbers. Would you mind walking me through it please?

    126 – this number is taken from the poem and the book. page 126 is a photo of the chest and the 126th word of poem is ‘answers’

    26 – this is taken from page 26 of the book. this page seems to be related to word 126 of the poem ‘answers’ and may have clues related. Its talks about taking tests and those things not worthy of knowing and class numbers S101 and SS102

    101 and 102 – classes mentioned on page 126, one is singular Savvy 101 and one is plural Street Smarts 102

    601 and 602 – the number of letters in the poem. Like the classes mentioned on page 26, it ends in 01 or 02 depending if the word is singular or plural. (answer/answers)

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  22. Chris Yates:
    what did he change on his web site

    Chris –

    He change the caption of the photo on page 8. If I remember right originally that caption read – The author signing books in Santa Fe. Then when he formed his new web site it now reads “The author signing book at the turquoise mine.” Not capitalized.

    Somewhere, I have a web site that will find his old site – which can only now be read from that site. If you want it I will hunt for it and post it.

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  23. imagine the treasure being hidden in or even right next to a mine.

    Forrest then could not say it is not associated with a structure and its is not in a dangerous place.

    Mines are definitely man made and that is what most folks consider a structure

    imo, when Forrest says that he can say so with impunity because it isn’t any kind of grey area at all. the treasure chest happens to be nowhere near anything that is man made.

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    • Why couldn’t the treasure be “near” a structure? It still would not be associated with it, and then his statement would be correct.

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      • if it is near but not close enough that you would consider it associated with that structure then ok.

        the old mines i have been to typically have other accessories, things that are have also been built outside and around the entrance, that have to do with the mine

        if the chest was hidden somewhere in the middle or among all this, I would find it difficult to say, ok, there it is, but its not associated with the mine

        the chest would need to be hidden well away from the mine to not be considered associated with it in my view, and based on the mines I have been to in Colorado

        just as a matter of technical jargon, or semantics, sure, I would say the chest can be ‘near’ a structure, as long as the ‘near’ would not mean ‘associated with’

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        • All he would have really have needed would be a test hole. Then he could place it in there and cover it up. The mines I’m taking about are really, really old and don’t have much around them any more – it’s all gone back to mother earth. Even the tailings are hard to find cuz of the over growth.

          He could have put it in a rabbit hole for that matter.

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          • I would think if your clue was a structure then that is associated then, but if near I would say no.

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        • Since the poem indicates the blaze is very, very close to the treasure can it be said that the blaze is not associated with a structure as well?

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          • It seems the last structure on the path to the treasure would be the HOB. You are then within 500 ft. And when he talks about “searchers”doesn’t have to be folks looking for the treasure, could be searchers for something else.

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    • Deb found this link and it’s interesting. I was posting a bunch of Forrest articles on my forum and one was about his Gallery opening which talks about his original partner Rex Arrowsmith. She found this link while searching him and it talks about how he wrote a book on Mines. Is that freaky weird or what? myvoyagethroughtime.wordpress.com/category/collective-consciousness/
      It also talks about cave of treasure near San Lazero, which is just pretty cool too.

      I’m still confused why anyone would think a mine is a structure. A structure is defined as something complex with more than many parts. It seems to me that a mine is just a manmade cave. Manmade doesn’t make ita structure anymore than regular cave would be. I do see how they might use timbers to shore it up…but I don’t think they all have those. Maybe I’m wrong. I agree with Woody since he’s saying it’s too dangerous of an idea…but it’s hard not to post interesting info like that lol.

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      • “I’m still confused why anyone would think a mine is a structure. A structure is defined as something complex with more than many parts. It seems to me that a mine is just a manmade cave”

        a mine is much more than just a man made cave. it is something complex and designed with many parts for access/ drilling / extraction and removal

        there is a book written by milo ketchum called the design of mine structures

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        • Im sorry, they werent hacked. They had a big fire in their SanFrancisco facility. They say they didnt lose any data though, just alot of equiptment. Sorry about the other post.

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  24. The last area i went physically to search had a mine right next to it. I was so concentrated on the a grave marker i just overlooked the mine i guess.
    I was researching an individual and where they were buried online. I found individual photo’s of grave markers. The photo that was posted online had a picture of a woodsman marker made in the form of a tree stump and had an owl perched on a branch. The actual marker when i physically went to search had a dove in the place of the owl. I thought maybe i had it mixed up with another marker but it is the exact marker with the exception of the photo shopped owl. I am still stumped as to why someone would do that. I tried to contact the person who posted the picture and never received a reply.
    Has anyone ever thought or found a photo that f may have posted on Google Earth…..just curious.

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    • Lots of things are being tampered with – it’s a shame. Things I looked at just a few weeks ago – are now different or just plain gone. I hope who is doing these bad deeds – get’s what’s coming to them. Karma.

      JJ –

      Didn’t you post a photo of that a long time ago? I remember seeing it. Did you find that photo on google earth?

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      • I may have posted it a while back but my question about Google Earth had nothing to do with the marker picture. I found that on the actual cemetery site. Sorry if i confused anyone.

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          • Yes i do inthechaseto. I bet Dr Quantum knows the picture if you remember who he was before he fell off the face of the earth.
            The photo was of a river rich in history with an island smack dab in the middle of it. The caption of the photo ends with a lower case f just like the way Forrest ends his emails.

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  25. Stephanie:
    He uses the word Mine a great deal in his memoir. I didn’t think of the Turquoise Mine though in the beginning of the book…I know thats South of SF, because I looked into that a long time ago. I wish I knew more about Mines. They don’t have any that I’ve ever seen around Chicago lol. I really do like the play on words though, because that’s sort of the premise of this whole thing is that he’s saying it’s MINE and he’s taking it with him. I don’t think it’s at all down in one though and I worry about even talking about it that someone might consider something like that.

    MY suggestion is everyone Please stay Out of old or new mine shafts .They are Dangerous, Dangerous . lets not anyone get hurt on this chase. Forrest said it was safe even for a child. Please heed what he has said.

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    • Ok, I don’t know anything about them and should be the to be listened to about going near them. Just was thinking by the entrance of one wouldn’t be dangerous, but again…I don’t know a thing about them.

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      • Steph –

        I don’t believe a mine would be a structure either.

        John Wetherill found the turquoise that is in the bracelet that he wants back. That too happened in CO.

        If you have not read the book about him – I will post it here for you. It’s interesting.

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  26. Stephanie:
    He uses the word Mine a great deal in his memoir. I didn’t think of the Turquoise Mine though in the beginning of the book…I know thats South of SF, because I looked into that a long time ago. I wish I knew more about Mines. They don’t have any that I’ve ever seen around Chicago lol. I really do like the play on words though, because that’s sort of the premise of this whole thing is that he’s saying it’s MINE and he’s taking it with him. I don’t think it’s at all down in one though and I worry about even talking about it that someone might consider something like that.

    Steph –

    There are many turquoise mines all over the world and one of the best ones in the world is in Colorado.

    A mine would be man-made usually by blasting out the material. When you said they are natural – perhaps you are thinking of a cavern – which is natural – like the Carlsbad Caverns.

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    • Oh interesting. I believe the place he was signing is South of SF…but maybe it’s a hint that it’s a different one. Also, he talks about his bracelet. These are things I just wouldn’t know since I’m not from that area…I sure am learning a lot. I still don’t think it would be considered a “structure” because it’s not really more than one complex piece put together. It’s just a hole in a rock. So I personally don’t think a mine or a cave would qualify. I think they are exempt from structure status *smile* My uninformed opinion…

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  27. Stephanie:
    A funny play on words is the word Mine as a double meaning and it’s all his and he’s taking it with him.

    All you have to do is put the d on double with the word mine and you have mind.

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  28. inthechaseto:
    Hey there Woody –

    You got me thinking about mines.Does anyone know of a web site that tells where old mines are?

    I know the BLM handles all old claims and new . State ,Forest service or Federal lands. I don’t know how good the registry is for enternet . A lot of the time a person has to find out what county and state and go to the county for records. You can find out so much more information that way.

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    • Thanks Woody –

      I know most of their web sites suck.

      If indeed he put it in a mine – I might have a little hissy fit on the spot.

      I hope it will be on film.

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        • Stephanie:
          A funny play on words is the word Mine as a double meaning and it’s all his and he’s taking it with him.

          As in “torqouise mine” ? maybe he didn’t pick that book signing randomly.

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          • He uses the word Mine a great deal in his memoir. I didn’t think of the Turquoise Mine though in the beginning of the book…I know thats South of SF, because I looked into that a long time ago. I wish I knew more about Mines. They don’t have any that I’ve ever seen around Chicago lol. I really do like the play on words though, because that’s sort of the premise of this whole thing is that he’s saying it’s MINE and he’s taking it with him. I don’t think it’s at all down in one though and I worry about even talking about it that someone might consider something like that.

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      • I dont think he put it in a mine because they arent safe. He said you can take your kids. Besides most old mines have been sealed up for safety, poison gases and cave ins.

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        • My latest solution doesn’t include a Mine, and I’ve never seen one…but I’m wondering if they have a “foyer” to a Mine where it could be that would be safe. He has said to keep your kids close though…so I feel it’s in an area where kids shouldn’t be left alone. Here’s a link that shows pics of Mine entrances. Seems like it could be by an entrance. I have always wondered if it’s a place where he might have found treasure.

          www.google.com/search?safe=active&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1088&bih=513&q=mine+entrance&oq=mine+entrance&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i5l8.187.2122.0.2402.13.13.0.0.0.0.109.999.12j1.13.0.cprnk%2Cfr%3Dtrue…0…1.1.32.img..0.13.999.idlbk_RozQg

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          • Hi everyone !
            This talk of mines goes with… Gone alone in there… But I’m reminded of not associated with a structure. So, is a mine a structure?
            They have large wooden support beams added for safety. Designed and constructedby humans.
            They are not naturally formed caves.

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          • Doesn’t this photo remind you of another photo of FF drinking a soda on his website?

            www.summitpost.org/brant-coal-mine-entrance/673841

            If you are brave and in the wood = wood is used to shore up a mine and you’d have to be brave and a fool to go in one.

            Interesting thought Stephanie – using just an entrance – if he placed it in a mine – there are usually tailings around it that could be seen from google – I think he thought of everything including google. I know he acted shocked that people were using it – but I don’t think he was shocked. IMO, Google or something like it is the way he decided along with other things, on precisely where to place it. So, if he just used the numbers – so you would be confident – the chances of a mine being at that exact spot are nil.

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          • I wouldn’t think of a Mine as a structure as it’s a natural thing and not really built. I don’t think if it is related to anything like that, that you’d have to go in far. The only reason I would see it at a place like that is if he used the entrance as a place to get out of the cold or rain while on a fishing trip….or possibly if he found treasure in a place like that.

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      • i dont use websites for that so im not sure if there is a good one for looking up mines

        what i do is, you need to know the area you are interested in , then download the USGS topo map for that area and it will show all the mines, new and old

        like for example the area just north and west of Silverton has a ton of them

        piece of advice if you do that, uncheck the layers for ‘projections and grids’ and ‘contours’. makes the map alot easier to read and see where all the mines are at, and you can also search map for the word mines and it will light each one up

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        • Although there are plenty of old mines and lost mines that the USGS do not have records for or maps showing them. I have seen this more than once.

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          • I’m sure you are right Woody –

            I don’t think he placed it in a mine – but a fox den – maybe. I don’t have a clue as to what one of those would look like. I suppose they are hidden too.

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          • And just for fun – did you know there is a

            Fennec Fox?

            What can you tell about the Fennec Fox?
            The fennec fox, smallest of all canids, is well adapted to desert life: Its body is small; its hair is light-colored to reduce heat absorption; and its large ears are highly vascularized to facilitate cooling. Also, its feet have hairy soles for traction and heat protection in sand, and it can sustain long periods without drinking. These foxes dig multichambered dens in the sand and rest there during the day, shielded from the sun. At night they venture forth to hunt insects and small vertebrates. Once they locate their prey, they dig in the sand at high speed to catch it. Fennec foxes live in groups of ten to fifteen individuals and mated pairs are believed to bond for life.

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  29. deb:
    Chris why so invested in this idea? What do you care if somebody else believes its in YS?

    they didn’t believe it was IN Yellowstone, they believed it was ALL of Yellowstone

    Forrest’s reply was pretty straightforward and just plain common sense.

    WWH is not an entire park or an entire region, it is a specific geographical place

    why am i so invested in this no nonsense straightforward definition of WWH?

    I don’t know. because it makes the most sense?

    Forrest said the poem was pretty straightforward

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    • Thanks Chris! 🙂 Now I understand your thoughts. There will always be people who dont think, dont research fully.To me its a given its a place that fits the poem and has its own name.

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    • Yes, it is actually a specific place. At the point where the treasure is located one could see everything from there. It’s how you interpret your surroundings. Like I have mentioned before the first part of the poem is the location of quest to cease. The second part is how you would go about to get it. It is hidden not buried.

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        • Free to any home:
          100 penguins with 1 month food.
          1 polar bear with 1 month food.
          Helicopter rental unlimited mileage.
          1 VGboss 1 month food.
          A Zelda and an ITJ.
          Gey foiled our plans for January, on hold til dec.
          See: Bob TTOTC

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  30. its a specific place, not a region

    sounds like something that can be taken at face value

    maybe someone here though wants to complicate it and try to rationalize it into nothing or meaningless-ness, i just made that word up

    anyone? ITCT or Deb? what do you think?

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  31. this is an excerpt from a comment by Halogetter on Dal’s blog (nine clues) i found interesting

    …………………………………………

    Dal posted a comment on this thread above regarding a statement from Forrest which I find to be significant, but it slipped by without further comment. Here it is:

    “Forrest once told a searcher who suggested that the entire YNP could be the place where warm waters halt that he was wrong…
    That it was a specific place and not a region…”

    Dal said that he heard Forrest verbally responding to a searcher’s statement that YNP could be wwwh, and that’s how he remembered it.

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      • Absolutely not, Deb. I don’t consider this comment in that way. Dal overheard this exchange. It raises many issues.

        Do you think that the solution to wwwh (or wwwh in combination with the next line) is simply a place on a map that you need to know about or be familiar with, or do you believe that the solution to wwwh is something that needs to be discerned by thinking? Is it simply a place, or is there more to it than that? Do you think that Forrest wrote the poem so that someone really familiar with the Rockies would have an extreme advantage in simply recognizing a place? I think not. And how do these questions stand up to the statement by Forrest that kids would have an advantage?

        Do you think that Forrest’s response means that the solution to wwwh (and again perhaps in combination with the next line) cannot be a non-place?

        Chris took a stab at this on Dal’s site, but I think this is more significant. However, since the comment was relayed by Dal, and we don’t have a recording of Forrest’s words, I am cautious.

        But the statement as relayed by Dal was far more forthcoming and specific about the clues by Forrest than usual.

        Halogetter

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        • I have never taken another searchers word as gospel when it come to the chase. Everyone needs to remember even though Dal was choosen by Forrest, he is still a searcher just like everyone else. If you all want to take his word as that its your business.

          I choose what I believe based on the poem, the books and what I have heard from Forrests mouth.

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      • Your need to analyze everything borders on obsessive. Its a place, so what? Are you expecting someone to just blurt out where they think it is? LOL

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        • ya sure, i would like people to blurt out their WWH. then i would know if anyone was on the right track

          its called obsessive compulsive disorder i think. i have to wiggle the door knob exactly 5 times everytime i walk through a door

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  32. .

    www.ttotc.com/dangerous-intel/#comment-77728

    inthechaseto wrote:

    “ARGUSS33 –

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_cipher

    Forrest is overtly adept at arranging coded messages. Some have been posted, including a few positional codes, the AS codes, and even a few Fibonacci.

    One Chris may enjoy …

    In the first stanza, the positional codes for “A” are 1,5, (series 12,24,36,48), 67.

    As to the 6 stanzas, the first 6 A positions in the series sum to 126.

    P. 126 of the book begins “Gold and More”
    The 126 word in the poem is “answers” I think, but Chris can check it all.

    astree

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    • p. 126 is the photo of the treasure chest

      ‘answers’ is the 126th word, and is the word that is ether plural or singular depending on which version of the poem you look at

      page 26 is where he talks about his lack of ability to take a test

      page 26 is where he says ‘Savvy 101’ and ‘Street Smarts 102’ equating 101 with singular and 102 with plural

      if answer is singular this gives the poem 601 letters , if plural then 602 letters

      this leads me to believe the changing of the word answer(s) is something that was planned already by Forrest even before the printing of TTOTC

      he is doing it for a reason and its no coincidence he chose that page number for a photo of the chest

      the numbers ive mentioned in this post 26, 101, 102, 126, 601, 602, the commonality is 1,2,6

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      • Chris –

        I don’t think Forrest makes mistakes. So regarding the answer or answers, I think he meant to do that. It is a clue.

        The numbers are not meaning much to me right now – but that’s ok – they may add up in the future.

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        • So, you have a bunch of solve numbers that you don’t know what to do with…? try all the 2 digit and 3 digit Lat-Long locations that can be made of them…… or use the numbers prefixed with a 4 or 11 ????

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      • I all fit’s in perfectly with the architect statement. I believe we have the plans in hand. All we have to do is construct the final resting place.
        I’m curious if anyone else has found a hidden message at the beginning of each chapter in TTOTC. To be more specific a message associated with his mother. Either it’s f having some fun or it’s an elaborate plan guiding someone to the HOB.

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  33. geydelkon:
    Thanks my fellow chasers. My daughter passed away today. I did not make to RI yet.. still in Chicago for my next flight to Providence.

    Here is something to look into…the Chase Fine art school where Rockwell attended..I think.

    I am so sorry to hear that, G. I know you were in this chase for your daughter with hopes of making the rest of her time on earth more comfortable. Wishing you and yours peace. It is so very hard to lose a child, no matter their age. Sending cyber hugs to you.
    ((((((((((((G))))))))))))
    With deepest sympathy,
    Ava

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  34. Jack:
    I’m still searching (obsessing) for the meaning of copying Rockwell paintings. FF was an art dealer with knowledge of Rockwell’s work, so this was done for a reason. What does it mean?
    Is it a connection to Freemasonry? Do the catalog numbers of the paintings provide a clue? The catalog numbers from the Rockwell Museum are Facts of Life C457, No Swimming C228, and Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow A110. And why did he use a mirror image of the cow when the others are straight copies? The mirror image puts the milker (Forrest) on the left side of the cow. Nigh means left particularly the left side of an animal. Is that a clue to something?

    Why is F making a point of removing cats in one, then adding cats in another

    Could it be to bring attention to CAT alog ?

    On the catalog numbers you mention Jack, one matches exactly a number I revealed as used in my last search report. And a second number matches again a number I used, but I have not talked about it.

    The remaining catalog number I have not used, nor have I ever come up with it in my number clues search, however I have come up with a number in the book and poem which I have believed to be important, and it is only different by a count of one then the catalog number. Not sure what to make of that.

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    • Chris, not sure if you have the 2nd book but on pages 44 & 45 there are pictures of Forrests mom and her sister. On the page it says:
      Lillie Gay Simpson Fenn
      This is how my Mom looked in 1911
      Her twin sister was named Willie Mae Simpson Smith and she looked just like my Mom, so no need to show both. The more They aged the prettier they became.

      Mirror image twins?

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  35. azuredeb:
    Jack in debs brain its all connected…well maybe not freemasons.
    But in your research maybe freemasons fit?

    Copying rockwells paintings fits right in there with the fake paintings he sold.I cant tell you what it means you will have to find that for yourself , but the answers are there.

    Mirror images is important, there is the mirror poem,in the new book there is also a reference to his mom being a mirror image twin. So there is another hint for you.

    I spent most of the night trying to figure out how it applies myself. I hope I am right…and not just on another snipe hunt. lol

    Have a wonderful Friday!

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  36. I found this on the Norman Rockwell Museum page. The end is ever “drawing” nigh:

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    Title The End
    Creator Rockwell, Norman (b.1894, d.1978)
    Production Date 1946
    Role of Creator Artist
    Secondary Creator Watson-Guptill
    Description The End 1946
    Norman Rockwell (1894–1978)

    In 1944, Arthur Guptill of Watson-Guptill Publications
    Inc. approached Norman Rockwell with a proposal for a
    book about the artist. A draft agreement regarding the
    book, later titled Norman Rockwell Illustrator, stated that
    Rockwell would provide “a reasonable number of little
    decorative drawings and illustrations for chapter headings,
    margins, etc.” Of those drawings, Rockwell humorously
    used a cow’s end to signify the literal end of the book.
    This image was adapted by Rockwell from one of his own
    works of the same period, which depicted Mrs. O’Leary’s
    cow, and was used as a 1946 Brown and Bigelow calendar
    illustration.

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      • I’m still searching (obsessing) for the meaning of copying Rockwell paintings. FF was an art dealer with knowledge of Rockwell’s work, so this was done for a reason. What does it mean?
        Is it a connection to Freemasonry? Do the catalog numbers of the paintings provide a clue? The catalog numbers from the Rockwell Museum are Facts of Life C457, No Swimming C228, and Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow A110. And why did he use a mirror image of the cow when the others are straight copies? The mirror image puts the milker (Forrest) on the left side of the cow. Nigh means left particularly the left side of an animal. Is that a clue to something?

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        • Jack in debs brain its all connected…well maybe not freemasons.
          But in your research maybe freemasons fit?

          Copying rockwells paintings fits right in there with the fake paintings he sold.I cant tell you what it means you will have to find that for yourself , but the answers are there.

          Mirror images is important, there is the mirror poem, in the new book there is also a reference to his mom being a mirror image twin. So there is another hint for you.

          I spent most of the night trying to figure out how it applies myself. I hope I am right…and not just on another snipe hunt. lol

          Have a wonderful Friday!

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          • In Deb’s brain – no place for the meek! LOL.
            Not sure about the freemasons or any other connection. Just that Rockwell was a prominent Mason and there seems to be some masonic symbolism is TTOTC, so maybe? I’m just trying to make some connections that click. That is one possibility. There must be some sort of connection. Just trying to find it.

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        • We can all find many connections but i believe there is only one that is needed. I think it leads to a very specific place which is located in NM.
          I had an exciting breakthrough 2 nights ago on the beginning… WWWH. It’s gonna be hard to be swayed away from what i believe to be true.
          I’m confident that the treasure is located in NM.

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    • Here is the actual photo, neighbors son holding the cows head for the painting.

      Finally a day off…

      Happy Thanksgiving to all the searchers and there families on the chase.

      I have been working really hard these last few weeks. It is also a difficult time in my life. So I don’t post much. Now I will travel to east to see me oldest daughter who has been battling cancer. The end is near.

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    • .
      I had been looking at a connection to musical plays, at levels 2 and 3, but now believe it was an improper guess at what was being conveyed by the nine clues.

      So, not anymore.

      astree

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  37. Musstag:
    Norman Rockwell, He is also noted for his work for the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), producing covers for their publication Boys’ Life, calendars, and other illustrations.

    Musstag you know there’s a BSA area in the neck of the woods you like to search Woods Lake ( in the wood). Was on my list when I was up there but did not get the chance to search the area because had to go to Colorado and that took my time away from up there. Don’t know if I told you this when we talked in West Yellowstone.

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  38. inthechaseto,
    The area has alot of appeal. I researched it back in April or so. I wonder if it’s just another patch of quicksand to slow everyone down or another piece of the puzzle.

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        • Well JJ

          It’s where I started and it’s where I’m gonna end up – I’ve never wavered so – the TC will be there waiting – or it won’t – one way or the other it’s been an education and fun.

          Remember when you told me about CES Woods – well I think he is still in the ball game – in a round about sort of way – and that’s good – he’s an interesting guy. Lots of cat’s ya know.

          Good luck to you.

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      • inthechaseto no one researched my place in april with boots on the ground except Me and i had to abort my search and never made it back You better hurry because I’ve never wavered on my solve .not one bit and i’m going in very prepared this next time. See you in santa-fe

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  39. inthechaseto:
    Your so cute Chris – I think I love you.

    Ok – I’ll give you sluthers another clue since you seem to be unable to use the WWW effectively.

    I know that Forbes web site is hard to use – so don’t go there.

    You probably use what he started all the time.

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    • Dont think so, but hey I dont have the treasure either! Anything is possible.

      My biddies and the cats are all seperate things, until I find something that convinces me differently.

      Geydelkon, did you find the cats?

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      • Have you figured out the nudge Forrest is giving with the Rockwell illustrations/paintings ? I very seriously doubt a diehard Chaser would ever mention the connection in an open forum.

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          • Question – who was one of the youngest eagle scouts ever – and became one of the worlds richest men?

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          • what about the line “bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly” ff would have learned this in radar school its a diode code bad = black and value of 1 and boys = Brown value = 2 and so on, look it up………so Brown equates to boys…… whats this about boys life and scouts? could it be “put in below boy scout …..?

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          • Norman Rockwell, He is also noted for his work for the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), producing covers for their publication Boys’ Life, calendars, and other illustrations.

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  40. Geydelkon:
    I was referring to all the great comments. The pictures and stories in the book have only one common connection to the poem. The photo shopping and the comments. I learned this same process while I was in college. Everyone wonders why did he make those changes. He just had the right to do it. Everyone is doing a great job and everyone has the answers right in front of them. There will be more great finds, I am sure. Just saying…

    ive always thought there was one common thread which was a common reason for all the things intentionally placed in the book in a certain manner, whether it be in the drawings, pictures or otherwise.

    i am curious if whatever it is you’ve found would confirm any of my solves at all. it doesn’t appear you want to just say what it is, and I don’t think i would either, if what you found is authentic then you may be one of the few, or maybe the only one, because i have never seen anyone mention anything specific that would be common for all things throughout.

    not knowing what the common thread is, i wonder how it would apply to finding the treasure, and maybe you need to know the right area where WWH is first before it can help you.

    the large ball of string in GoldAndMore and also that Clew is a ball of thread, i wonder if these are hints by F to a common thread he put into this.

    Cats like to play with balls of string and in the 2 consecutive chapters JSTLC and BESSIE the 2 Rockwell related drawings, one has 3 cats removed, and the other has 6 cats added, which would be 9 total. also cats are said to have 9 lives, what if there is a connection there to 9 clues.

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  41. Last week before all the chaos, some of us started discussing how stories in the book seemed to be tied to other books, movies, teasure hunts, and so on.
    Now I think this is where the devision of poem and book occurs.

    The poem is where the treasure is actually at and the stories are how we find the area. Thats why he says you only need the poem, but also way some searchers have been on dozens of trips.

    I was very interested in what Chris found at his search area and how he arrived at that spot. In my search area I also found rocks shaped like something from the book that I thought maybe was the blaze. So many are
    saying similar things yet in different places. Maybe this is why FF is now calling himself an architect? He planned the same thing in many different locations?

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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    • Yes, Deb –

      At one time I thought he had more than one spot selected. Three places, Like a rainbow – a beginning, then the high point, being the middle and the end being where the TC is. They were not all in the same state.

      No, I’m not crazy – just another way to look at things.

      I don’t believe that anymore. I think it is in one spot and all the clues lead to that spot, which will eventually tell you why he did this.

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    • Deb,
      His exact words were, “I didn’t write the poem, it was written by an architect.” To me this brings to mind several ideas that have been discussed in threads here before. First of all Freemasonry, and second there is a definite designed structure in the poem that is important to solving it correctly. He made several changes to the poem over 15 years to get that structure just right (like an architect designing a building). So there is a blueprint of the poem that needs to be read.

      From Wikipedia: The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists. As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent deity (in whatever form, and by whatever name each member may individually believe in). It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

      I believe that the hiding place is based on alignments or symbolism (as used by Freemasons), much like those found in Dan Brown’s novels. I discussed the Dan Brown connection through Tom Hank’s movie roles, found in hints in the book previously. The significance of the number 33, an important Masonic number has been discussed here previously.

      Some observations on the “architecture” of the poem: A cornerstone – the 4 corner letters read counterclockwise spell IDEA. There are 9 clues, 9 sentences, 9 capital I’s, I is the 9th letter. There are 24 lines, no X (the 24th letter), omega is the 24th letter of the Greek alphabet. FF returned safely from Vietnam on 12/24/1968 That was the day his secret place fulfilled its promise. 1+2+2+4 = 9 1+9+6+8=24.
      The trail to the treasure is in stanzas 2,3,4 (beginning middle and end). 2+3+4=9. 2x3x4=24.

      I think there are clues in the poem that give you alignments to follow from the starting point that lead you to the treasure. The poem doesn’t contain a cipher, but you need to decipher the clues to get the correct alignments to follow. That is what he means when he says he wasn’t playing games and the poem is straight. My first solution was perfectly logical in this way but alas, I don’t have the treasure. I don’t think I was one of the many who got the first two clues. I believe I had the wrong starting point.

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    • .
      azuredeb wrote:

      “The poem is where the treasure is actually at and the stories are how we find the area. Thats why he says you only need the poem, but also way some searchers have been on dozens of trips.”

      The puzzle was not solved before the many trips were made. The trips made based on guesswork. The poem describes both the route and resting place of the treasure chest.

      In a very loose analogy, if the poem were to lead one through

      Farmington
      Albuquerque
      Santa Fe
      Taos

      You would have the word FAST. Put enough together, and you have the instructions.

      “In my search area I also found rocks shaped like something from the book that I thought maybe was the blaze. So many are
      saying similar things yet in different places. Maybe this is why FF is now calling himself an architect?He planned the same thing in many different locations? ”

      The amount and type of information that Forrest drew on is pretty much unbelievable.

      astree

      Hi azurede

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      • Astree, that was my point that people are guessing at the poem without fully understanding the book.

        When one draws up blueprints for a project there are multiple pages or layers for details. Each trade must examine the whole set of blue prints for the project to be completed.

        On a blue print the details may be highlighted, requiring you to refer to another section of the blueprints.No one page has all the answers, thus the poem cant be used alone. People who try that will never have the full solve.

        deb

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        • Really well said Deb –

          That’s exactly what we are referring to when we say layers.

          The other thing is no one is going to find this with out the coordinates before they leave home.

          You cannot go wandering around an area and even hope to find it. No one will stumble upon it, is very certain.

          Plus I have discovered that the very generous FF has given us the number of steps it will take, walking – to find the chest once you are in the correct area.

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    • You are getting warm my friend. You mentioned change in a sort of way. I learned in a way that gives one a degree when I own my own. I am waiting and reading everyone’s comments yet to see if who can see why he wrote the book the way it was PUT together. It would of taken me a long time to do the same. I have given up all that I can. Waiting for the next moment because the tales are 60% right for I can write better than most and so can you. For I am a Indian Scout and a Saint.

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        • I was referring to all the great comments. The pictures and stories in the book have only one common connection to the poem. The photo shopping and the comments. I learned this same process while I was in college. Everyone wonders why did he make those changes. He just had the right to do it. Everyone is doing a great job and everyone has the answers right in front of them. There will be more great finds, I am sure. Just saying…

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          • Gey –

            You said

            The pictures and stories in the book have only one common connection to the poem.

            What is that? Can you explain?

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          • I understand what you said Geydelkon because I too had figured out reasons behind why he did this. Also the blaze is in two states but more prominent in one and the research involved in figuring the solve is very interesting when you understand why in my understanding. You gave a clue away here.

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          • Well you understand the process better. I can only go on my understanding of what I have found in the book. I still dont know how that leads me to the treasure though. LOL
            I will keep plugging away…

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  42. .
    You can begin to relate some of the images – he is quite blatant in his hints, I think.

    For example, on p. 32, he has an image of 3 marbles, 2 boys.

    On p. 33 ( the “last” page of the chapter) you see a 3 / 1 split of the boys, and the “last” letters of the title are YYY / H. ( this also mirrors the split of the 3 / 1 paragraphs on the two pages ).

    ( watch the spanish for ” factory ” – fabric a

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  43. .
    Beautiful, beautiful, Forrest.

    The diamond which is encodded, is shown in the isometric on the back paper cover of the book. Just haven’t looked at the book for quite a while.

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  44. After much thought, I decided to purchase several copies of Fenns new book “Too far to walk” . After I checked out paying the ridiculous price of $55, it seems that 685 books were sold. I don’t think there will be ANY clues on where the chest is, just like the Thrill of the Chase book.

    Mike, I am sure many will like to talk about his new book. Will you have a page setup for comments to the book “Too far to walk”?

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    • Oh dont say that. You really didnt find any clues in the chase book on where the chest may be hidden?

      I must be very odd, I found dozens. Of course I also took 5 literature classes one year just because I love it so much… lol

      I have much more faith in this than that. I think he really does care if its found, just to get us all the heck out of his hair! lol

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      • You are doing right by taking classes. That is how the book is suppose to teach us. By understanding how the book is written and why it was written in that fashion is important. That is how I figured out how to read the poem. It is humor of dreamers, not saying a word but just thought like going to Borders…just saying. I really don’t think there are any physical clues in the book. I haven’t found any at all. Yes, I am twisted. Lol

        I just got the book The Secrets of San Lazaro Pueblo signed by Fenn. Fenns unique personality exist in this book as well. Just waiting on his new book.

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      • Mike I believe Forrest Fenn should send you a FREE copy and signed as a Thank You gesture!

        Email him and tell him that vgboss said so. I mean…you are afterall, in some form, through this blog, helping keep the synergy of the Thrill of the Chase going. Sure we Chasers comment but you have put in place a social medium for us to post our babble and it is the Best place, on the entire web, to discuss all things about the Thrill of the Chase.

        So email him and tell him vgboss said…heck tell him to send you 2 of them. This way you may have one to keep in Gem Mint condition and the other to scribble scrabble with all your notes for I’m sure it will have loads of clues…more so than the Thrill of the Chase memoir….in my opinion ofcourse 😉

        If Forrest Fenn replies back and tells you who in the hell is vgboss tell him that it’s the guy that found the “Chest”. 🙂 Only kidding…but…uhm

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  45. Anyone out there have any questions or things they need help with concerning the book that is not illustration related? Nows your chance to get questions answered. Come on everyone in cyberland, anyone need help or new ideas?

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        • Hi Deb ,
          Yes it’s all good . Didn’t get any response on the things I posted , so I now know it would be a waste of time to put any more in regards to my possible solves on here .

          I think most people are suspicious that they are being mislead , and I can understand that feeling .

          I also believe that most people want be able to say they worked out the clues completely on their own . But, as you say it’s all good .

          Rebel

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  46. inthechaseto: I doubt FF misspelled his name.

    From “grandparents Galore” at his blog:
    “His name was Charles Karl Simpson but everyone called him CK.”
    but in his book, page 44:
    “Carl & Arie Simpson”
    Which one is right?

    I doubt that at some point in his life he changed his name to Carl and wanted to be called CC instead of CK. So, it makes sense to ask why his name is misspelled in the book.

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    • I see, I see – said the blind man to the fly. If I had the dang book – this blind person would have seen that. I will do a little digging.

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      • Lmao –

        It just kills me when someone doesn’t want to tell their state – like we are going to run right up there and find it. Really?

        I could tell you the name of the canyon, all the clues and how to get there and you still won’t find it in a million years.

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        • Is this how it goes here? People laugh at you and make fun of you? Is it expected that we are supposed to give all our ideas out? I noticed some other talk that seemed toxic. You all should try being nice.

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          • Sorry Meme

            No offense intended. I apoligize. We really welcome you. At least I do. If you can’t take the heat – this is no place for the meek. Now what state are you looking in?

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          • Welcome MeMe….please enjoy our thoughts on this blog. Sometimes we say things to escape from the chase. Everyone on here are very cool or need to brave the cold. Most everything about the chest has been discussed except where I know where warm waters halt because there is more than nine, just got to know which one. So if you have any questions we will be more than happy to put you deep into the chase. For I am an Indian scout AND a Saint…just saying.

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          • Meme, you are welcome here, and never feel pressured to reveal any more than you are comfortable with. If you look over the posts going back to the beginning you will find that very few reveal what state they are looking in, although you can often figure it out if you follow their posts for a while.

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          • Meme- yep, you got it we here poke fun at ourselves and each other. This is adult blog no kid gloves. Take one on the chin and come back swinging. It’s a million dollar treasure, load for bear or stay home.

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          • Meme what everyone said about is true, we all might not see eye to eye on everything but we do share thoughts and intel to help others. If it seems like anger to you it’s not, we as chasers just need to blow steam every once in a while and no one here should take any ill comments to heart, I don’t because I know I can come back with something better. Most chasers will not share things leading to their search areas but will share info on spots searched and areas given up on. You need to do your own research if the answers are not shared as many on here have done and are still doing. We like fresh minds coming here because sometimes they have fresh thoughts, so welcome.

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          • Hi Meme Im deb.I wasnt around much yesterday was off dealing with real life. Basically everyone here are nice people who will give you as much help as they can. Sorry you didnt feel welcomed yesterday. Just tell them what you think, like you did and they remember their manners. Trust me, they are good people.
            The thing I like about this blog is we are free to post on any idea we have without someone yelling at us to shut up with our stupid ideas. Here we celebrate people who think differently.This stimulates suprising insights into solves.Please read back posts especially those on themes, the poem and different parts of the book.You will find alot of good info that may help you also.
            deb

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  47. Was just wondering how many things are misspelled in the book? Just noticed the part where he talks about his favorite piece, the jade bracelot, that he won playing pool. It’s no big thing, but would think, since it’s his favorite( or whatever) that he would spell the name of the person that found the piece correctly. Being so precise in choosing his words and all.

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    • I wonder if some of misspellings are intentional so they don’t come up in a Google search for something unrelated. He’s pretty darn computer savvy for an old guy 🙂 and he said that no one will just stumble across the treasure itself.

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    • I guess each person would have a different take on that. Mine is rather straight forward, he is saying he isnt involved in what is thought of as traditional religion. Services at the church surround by parishioners;
      he is surrounded by wonder daily and worships in his surroundings.

      I think we will all look at our spots to see where this fits in with our solves.I cant say much more, gives too much away.

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  48. Geydelkon:

    5.
    the relationship or organization of the component parts of a work of art or literature: the structure of a POEM.

    Just saying…Fenn is keen but on the edge.

    Nice Geydelkon,

    Check as well, the poem has a ” tail ”

    “wale” = best choice

    Good luck to you,
    astree

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  49. I see what you’re seeing and it looks to me like an artifact of the pdf viewing process. A technical glitch and nothing more I’m afraid.

    i.imgur.com/nOnSoIv.png

    If you zoom way in, you will see the lettering stays sharp (postscript or truetype font) but the picture and graphic get pixelated. If you look real close you can see the outline of the element, a rectangle rotated about 45 deg, around the outside of the picture keeper clipart. Where it overlaps the caption is where you have the discoloration.

    As a side note, the font is called “Marydale”, created in 1993 by a designer named Brian Willson, and has had its most famous exposure (aside from the captions in TToTC) as the font for “and a half” in the “Two and a half Men” TV show logo. I don’t know if that’s a clue.

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    • Tom –

      It tottaly amazes me – what people know here. Thanks for your responce.

      I see the rectangle when I blow it up. If that is the case – an over lap – which it maybe – wouldn’t it be just one color? So, let say it was yellow – where did the distinct red come from?

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      • Here’s my 2 cents: In the printing process there are 4 color plates, CMYK… Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, & Black (k=blk), it looks to me like a printing plate glitch.
        Those photo corners could have a clear adhesive backing or someone put a piece of scotch tape on there… I don’t think it is a clue.

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        • The photo corners – I believe are photoshopped in – as they light up when you double click on the website. ????

          If you look real close at the red object it looks like a knife.

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          • They do look photoshopped in, but they don’t light up on my computer…sorry, can’t help.

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    • Wow , tomwhat , you really seem to know your business . I’m very impressed by the level of knowledge on this blog . I couldn’t have found all that out for a long time . Well done tomwhat !

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      • Thanks for the kind words all. I used to be in the (magazine) publishing business so I picked up a little, from reporting and photojournalism to editing to layout to printing and beyond. I am certainly no expert in the field, but I guess I know a little more than the average searcher. I’ll share what tiny bits of info I have to get us all a leg up.

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  50. Mike:
    And that’s not my craziest.The tallest tree in “My War For Me” looks just like a Scottish Terrier (page 73).What’s that all about?

    This is my third love story – your gonna love it. It’s a dog high above something and it’s not a tree. I owe you hugs, Mike.

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  51. Hey everyone, I need your comments. I have e-mailed fForrest 4 times about my search just asking him to respond in any way. I even sent him a picture. Is this normal for him to diss searchers like this?

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    • Yep…for the most part. Some well know searchers get comments back. I know a few that have done the same as you and never heard anything back either, but he is a busy man too.

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      • I emailed him a few months ago relaying my solve & intentions of going on a search… I wasn’t even asking him to respond back or what he thought or anything, but he did respond back within a minute! I was shocked! He wouldn’t have even had time to read the entire email! He gently discouraged me and told me to go back to the poem and figure out WWWH.
        Then I emailed him a couple days ago asking him to confirm that the chest was hidden in the Rocky Mountain Range as depicted on Wikipedia map. I still have not gotten a response. All he would have had to say is “yes or no”, but I got no response.
        So what does that say? He’s too busy? Or that it could be outside the Rocky Mountain Range where everyone is looking….?

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        • Notsowise- since you did get a response and a quick one, possibly your WWWH is correct. Remember Fenn doesn’t want the treasure found anytime soon. He may respond to those who are close in a negative way to throw them off the trail. Why bother responding to those who are wrong? Being wrong is right where he wants you to be.

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          • I agree with Horatio which I never do so this must have much value of importance.

            NotSoWise you possibly frightened Forrest Fenn with your location and he reacted in a blaze of speed to get you away from there.

            You should have sent him a photo of you swimming, backstroking it, in that water.

            tinyurl.com/n47wk5d

            Who knows how Forrest would have reacted then. He probably would have thrown his laptop clear across the room.

            tinyurl.com/m5u29qa

            Peggy would be like “What’s the matter honey did someone else solve a piece to your little puzzle. Are we going to have to make another trip up to the Electronic Store for a new Laptop? You know that’s the 9th Laptop this year.”
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          • Horatio – idk, maybe he saw/read my search post/w pictures on there and felt sorry for me cause I spent a lot of $ making two trips out there within a weeks time, not too long ago and didn’t want me to be discouraged again…
            That’s how I took it.
            It wasn’t a good solve anyway… now that I have delved further into this dang thing (the book) I have become wiser and have located a much better spot! My problem now is that I have an area pinpointed that is outside the “Rocky Mountain Range” and I think he may be deceiving us a bit by saying it’s in The Rocky Mountains”, north of Santa Fe. There is a region called “Rocky Mountain Region” (states) that make me feel a little skeptical.
            I know what you all are thinking… I’m crazy, and should not be looking there….Oh well.

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          • NotSoWise you are not crazy but if you are crazy then all of us, on this chase, are also crazy because no one has found the darn thing.

            We are all on the same boat no matter how much a person has $pent, researched, posted or replied within blogs or what have you. Whether a person has been at this for 3 years or 3 seconds we’re on the same boat.

            Forrest Fenn hasn’t announced that it has been found…so we’re all on the starting line….yes even me the great and powerful vgboss.

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          • NotSoWise he did say North of Santa Fe, NM and 5,000ft above sea level. So in my opinion I would say it’s part of the Game Board but others might think different.

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      • In defense of Mr. Fenn , he is a VERY busy man with many projects going , and I don’t think he disrespects anyone . If he receives what he considers a relevant e-mail he does reply . Some searchers have been closer than 500 feet of a received e-mail from Mr. Fenn . I know .
        Rebel

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    • I’ve emailed Forrest Fenn a million times, no a billion times, wait no a trillion times or was it a zillion times?…I don’t know but my point is that I have never received 1 single reply from him.

      I understand he’s busy writing his book and all but he should atleast put a automatic reply system of some sort for Chasers.

      youtu.be/W6BJON-77rQ

      An automatic reply which would say…”Get off your electronic devices and head out into the mountains and into the sunshine you baby whiner”. Something like that. Something to encourage us you know?
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      • Vee boss – I have never emailed Fenn. I see no point in it, you won’t get a straight answer if he ever did respond to you. His game, his rules. (and from your video, Fenn looks good! Kind of like a younger Jim Carrey! Hats off to the plastic surgeon.)

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        • His rules? What are his freaking rules?

          *Before you read my rules below and embark on this journey, quest, this Chase be sure to toss all your electronic devices in the garbage.

          1. Believe that I, Forrest Fenn, hid or buried a Treasure Chest full of gold and other stuff North of Santa, Fe NM, somewhere in the Rocky Mountains, 5,000ft above sea level, 300 miles West of Toledo.

          2. Buy my Thrill of the Chase memoir then read it several times, over and over again, and then read the Poem multiple times as well. It’s fun!

          3. There are lots of photos within my book and website which will drive you nuts because you won’t know what to make of them but it’s fun!

          4. Visit blogs pertaining to the Thrill of the Chase because there are smarty pants on there and they may help you but be careful there are other smarty pants that pretend to care about you but are actually misleading you but it’s fun!

          5. Watch the NBC Today Show because I will say a Clue but it actually won’t be a Clue or will it? It’s fun!

          6. Watch all the videos on dal’s website this way you will know who I am and possibly learn how I think but there are no clues in those videos or are there? It’s fun!

          7. Don’t listen to Horatio or vgboss because if you do then you will find the Treasure Chest and we can’t have that because then the Chase would be all over and the fun would end.

          *GOOD LUCK!

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    • I emailed him exactly once. No reply, so I will not attempt to contact him until I’m asking for a mailing address to ship his bracelet back. 🙂

      You gotta figure he’s drowning in whiny emails begging for add’l clues and other obsessed crackpots. I hoped the tone of my email was friendly and cracked a smirk on his face.

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      • Really? No answer at all. Must have been a bad day.
        I also decided not to share with him anymore either unless we find the treasure.
        He is busy with his life, as he should be.

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    • Forrest answers the first email from a person. He has so many emails that he cant respond to everyone every time they email. I dont think he is being rude , he is just overwhelmed.

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      • He’s being rude…he should immediately begin his emails and halt for a while then scroll down and tarry scant for vgboss. From there it’s no place for him for when he opens my email and reads it he will realize that vgboss was wise and found the blaze and knows where his Chest is. When he does that this way we all may go in peace….game over…back to our TV sets.

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    • I emailed him when I was staying in Santa Fe on my search. He emailed me back and said “good Luck with your search”.

      However I was not asking for verification or validation of any solves.

      If I were to guess, and that’s all it is, I would guess he cannot respond to email with solves, because of the potential of giving a clue to just one searcher.

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  52. I was sort of thinking that next time NASA launches a Pioneer or Voyager – type satellite, we should see if we can get a copy of “The Thrill of the Chase” put onboard. That way, when it leaves the solar system and is picked up by aliens, they’ll know there’s intelligent life on Earth. Anyway, it could be put between the Lewis and Clark history book, and Einstein’s thesis.

    Only problem would be, if they solve it and come to Earth to retrieve it and it’s already gone. It would be “World War Z” all over again.

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  53. Doesn’t anyone on here think it’s odd that ff barely mentions archaeology and his connection/knowledge of Native American history, etc? We’ve all seen pictures of his home and collection of Indian artifacts….IMO, I find this odd.

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    • Notsowise, Forrest has a book out on the studies of Indain children and there dolls or something close to that, not sure the name of the book right now. Are you saying that he just doesn’t mention it in TTOTC book?

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      • Yes in TTOTC book…I know he’s written other books on Indian stuff, but It just seems to me he may be thinking that by avoiding a topic, or even a question posed to him about the TC, that some people will just dismiss it, thus steering them away from the TC… idk Bur, that’s just how it feels to me.

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          • The nonverbal communication section on that site is interesting. I’ve read some on communicating through mirror’s and the positioning of the sun before.

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        • Notsowise, I too have researched Indians and some of the language and meanings and believe that there are some clues relating back to the late 1800’s that might play a part in this search. As searchers we grasp at all angles to figure why or for what reason FF would pick that area to hide the TC. This is why we have to understand the man Forrest Fenn and all he was and is today.

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    • Wise…You and I think along similar lines, but not sure it takes us to the same locations though. lol
      Gotta love this chase,huh?

      deb

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  54. Vgboss….I am on the the same hunt. Just my way of thinking is somewhat different I suppose. My recent post mentions that the poem is two parts. One to get you there and the second part on how to get it. I have been to my spot 3 times. The poem got me there but could not go any further on my quest. So then i asked myself what was I to do next. Then it dawned on me when reading the rest of the poem that it was telling me how to get it. The location was at 100 or so feet from where I was standing. Now, it is hidden in a structure, the key word “wood”. If you are brave, has nothing to do with “wood”. The 4 seasons plays a big part in getting to it. That is why I asked in an earlier blog on how Fenn knew quickly that the chest was safe. I think he responded within 30 minuites of someone claiming it was found. Perhaps this was a hugh mistake made by responding so quickly. Anyway, just like everyone, I give my thoughts in a twisted kind of way. I am sure no one knows what I am talking about. But, I will tell you and everyone else that the end of his rainbow is in New Mexico. Lol.. The $100 is still up for grabs. I will give another clue sometime this week.
    Just saying…have a great day everyone. Be safe. When you get to your spot let a child read the poem and let them see through there eyes the wonder.

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          • Sorry – not asking anyone to do homework

            But – I do recall someone saying an outhouse
            was their HOB – and he said it is NOT associated
            with any structure.

            Remember the wording is

            Put below the HOB

            This search has been going on for years and a lot of stuff has been said – NO ONE, but NO ONE is going to
            have total recall of everything said.

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          • Why not?

            I have solves includes structures both HOB and TC.

            It’s up to the individual to determine what are the clues, what strategy to follow and so on and so forth……

            As many have commented in the past – no one is wrong until …….

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    • Thats a pretty uhhh, ballsy attitude there. Remember this, the more arrogant you are now the more crow you will eat if you are wrong.

      Its an interesting lesson on human behavior this chase.

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      • Deb – you are so right on!

        My HOB is associated with a structure. I could be wrong. Time will tell. Some people here, should not print what they don’t know for sure as fact – at least qualify it.

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        • I took it as “the chest wasn’t associated with any structure”, not HOB… He said this so people would stop digging up outhouses, I believe….

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          • STRUCTURE
            1.
            mode of building, construction, or organization; arrangement of parts, elements, or constituents: a pyramidal structure.

            2.
            something built or constructed, as a building, bridge, or dam.

            3.
            a complex system considered from the point of view of the whole rather than of any single part: the structure of modern science.

            4.
            anything composed of parts arranged together in some way; an organization.

            5.
            the relationship or organization of the component parts of a work of art or literature: the structure of a POEM.

            Just saying…Fenn is keen but on the edge.

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          • Great stuFF people but remember that thing called THE POEM? And this line…So hear me all and Listen Good?

            Forrest Fenn said and I quote ““No need to dig up the old outhouses, the treasure is not associated with any structure”

            the Treasure?
            He did not say “the Treasure Chest” or simply “the Chest”.

            Ofcourse the Treasure is not associated with any structure because the Treasure is inside the Chest. But now can the Chest be associated with a structure?

            The answers I already know.

            Don’t get upset I’m just adhering to the Poem.
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          • VG

            Love your interpretation.

            That is the key.

            Everything in the poem the book etc is subject to each person’s interpretation.

            So nothing is really sealed in cement or based on fact – UNTIL THE TC IS FOUND.

            BTW – to the people who expressed outrage at “my interpretation” – where is your outrage when someone believed ff said it is not in colorado?

            Hmmm.

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          • someone believes FF said its not in Colorado ??

            I am outraged !

            outraged indeed !

            how dare they !!

            tell me who they are so we can go string them up !!!

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          • .
            youtu.be/XSVzRBiiTxA

            If you believe the Treasure Chest is in Colorado GO, GO, GO!

            If you believe the Treasure Chest is in Montana GO, GO, GO!

            If you believe the Treasure Chest is in Wyoming GO, GO, GO!

            If you believe the Treasure Chest is in New Mexico GO, GO, GO!

            Doesn’t matter if you believe the Treasure Chest is in CO, MT, WY, or NM…lots of ground to cover in one single state…SO GO!

            Like the Rat Race we all could be at a Hotel Conference Room and Forrest Fenn tells us the city and state where he hid the Treasure Chest and we would all still be sitting there looking at each other.

            But how ironic that he told us Rocky Mountains and thousands RAN without giving it much thought. Go figure!!!

            Without the keys it doesn’t matter if you know what city and state. Many searchers were within 500ft and they still couldn’t find it. I was closer than that and I didn’t find.
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  55. Mike:
    And that’s not my craziest.The tallest tree in “My War For Me” looks just like a Scottish Terrier (page 73).What’s that all about?

    ha ha its true, it just missing a monocle

    thats the same pic as the bigger one on 95

    anyone ever notice the initials JF on the bottom right of 99

    maybe thats the “this is someone other than allen polt that drew this”

    but who is JF

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      • He certainly is –

        Did you all see the rainbow on page 73?

        It’s in the “the” under the plane photo. Question I have is how did they produce that because its only part of the letters.

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        • This must be a print defect in your book. Even with a flashlight and magnifying glass I dont see a rainbow on page 73.
          Which printing of the book do you have? Mine is from the 2nd printing.

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        • Inthechaseto, it almost looks like they ran out of ink when writing. It starts to change at the “n” and since most people dot their “i” last it also changed color on the dot, and then the “th” and at the end of the “h” it started to write again. Not sure why it would be yellow though.

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          • We are talking about excerpts page 73 – numbered 6 on his website.

            You got it Bur –

            My question is – how did they technically do this?

            I can’t make half a letter a color on my computer. There’s no info on the web.

            They would have had to color it before hand and scan it? Who did this? FF?

            Why go to so much trouble for such a small thing?

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          • JJ while our fellow Chasers type and type and type lengthy posts about 2 single initials JF found within the book you came out and just typed 2 words pertaining to the JF…Jokester Fenn. Quick answer, very short tweet.

            JF = Jokester Fenn and we must use our imagination! Forrest Fenn is having fun with us searchers like a little kid. It’s a Game and many searchers are forgetting that when attempting to solve the Poem and find the location of the Treasure Chest. Think as a kid!!!

            JF = Jokester Fenn
            Nice job… JJ

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    • I found an old newspaper article that said his daughter was named Joe, instead of Zoe. Could have just been a misprint. It was from Lubbock right after he returned home after being shot down. Joe Fenn?
      I didn’t save the article.

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      • Luckydog, I did some research awhile back on Kelly and Zoe because I first thought they were twins but they are not, and in the picture in the book of them I seen double omega’s in their hair styles. Trying to connect dots but turned into more ? marks. Anyway it is Zoe if that helps. Bur

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    • Chris Yates – Long ago I read that one of FF’s wingmen was named JF. That’s quite a stretch though, isn’t it? Possibly he drew the sketch at that time & FF saved it all these years, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Guess I just didn’t think it was important at the time.

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  56. JJ:
    Inthechaseto, i think it’s just another kick in the ass by Forrest telling us to key in on Montana. I’m not interested in looking at any other state besides Montana. Forrest told me to set my sight’s higher and that’s exactly what i’m doing. If we are going to participate in the Chase then we must trust the man 100%.

    Ok what were you discussing when he said that?

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  57. Mike:
    His editor really botched perhaps the most special page in the whole book with an illegible year on the postmark, and missing corner holders.How did this book ever make it to re-print without Forrest demanding that he (or she) fix those obvious errors?Hmmmm…..

    Nope Im sure he had approval of everything.

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  58. Hmmm … anyone ever wonder that some pictures are missing the corner place holders? Like the book sleeve and others. I will tell you later what I think. Just saying…. because I am an Indian Scout and a Saint.

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    • It seems like the times there is no corner is when that corner overlaps another picture, just as would be the case in a real scrapbook (you wouldn’t glue a corner holder to a picture).

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        • I know they are photoshopped, but there may have been intention to emulate reality. The corners of pictures without corner holders nearly always overlap another picture, just as it would be in a real scrap-book. I think if we are looking for answers we ought to consider the possibility that the designer was simply trying to make it look real (Occam’s razor). Now if there is one picture that is not like the others (not following this pattern), then I think that might be a clue. I am going to check now and see.

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          • There is only one such photo in the entire book, on page 72, lower right, the picture of him and his wife on their wedding day. I believe if there is a clue concerning the corner holders, it has to do with this picture. I agree, don’t discount anything, and this is a good find. Thanks.

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          • His editor really botched perhaps the most special page in the whole book with an illegible year on the postmark, and missing corner holders. How did this book ever make it to re-print without Forrest demanding that he (or she) fix those obvious errors? Hmmmm…..

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          • If anyone’s theory about the chase is that it is a love story, then these “errors” on page 72 should help confirm it.

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          • Azure- wasn’t one horse publishing (Forrest’s company) the publisher, and then Forrest himself the editor? Please correct me if wrong.

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  59. Geydelkon:
    Allow me to share a bit of stage..a world across the street in 1989…we can’t playthis time…I can walk away with the errors and laugh.

    Just saying…if someone can figurewhat I am talking about. I know Fenn knows. I will send you the title to a $100 bill. Just email me the answer. Might as well make it thrillng.

    you ass u me too much. …just saying.

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  60. Allow me to share a bit of stage..a world across the street in 1989…we can’t play this time…I can walk away with the errors and laugh.

    Just saying…if someone can figure what I am talking about. I know Fenn knows. I will send you the title to a $100 bill. Just email me the answer. Might as well make it thrillng.

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    • He loved to outsmart people.

      He probably relished in it i.e. the picture he had hanging in his office right in front of his desk. He tried to sell it but failed – figured if he put it in his office, it would be coveted because it was something he valued – therefore worth buying. It worked.

      Also, when he laughed going back to his car after “secreting” the treasure – sneaky.

      But he will have the entire world trying to figure out this place – and all will fail, except one. HeHeHe

      No email – cause only person with right answer should email you 🙂

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    • World Series game #1 in San Fransico, baseball game called off because of the earthquake, (resulted in part of the bay bridge falling down). just prior to start of the game.

      The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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  61. inthechaseto:
    JJ = could this be the same one that was hanging in his library/office – look at the one on the right.Blow it up to 400 = could this one be it, and could it be photoshopped ?

    dalneitzel.com/2011/09/05/youve-got-mail/

    I’ll answer my question because now I know the answer.

    This is the same steer as used on the front of his website and it has been photo shopped. I traced it and it fit like a glove.

    This could be a huge hint as his web site launched 10/25/2010.

    I’ll post it here so you won’t have to hunt to compare if you want to.

    www.oldsantafetradingco.com/

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    • Inthechaseto, i think it’s just another kick in the ass by Forrest telling us to key in on Montana. I’m not interested in looking at any other state besides Montana. Forrest told me to set my sight’s higher and that’s exactly what i’m doing. If we are going to participate in the Chase then we must trust the man 100%.

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      • Now that is some Dangerous Intel!

        Nice Job dlkutac! I’m speaking of the old santa fe trading co website. The other stuff, ladies and ladders, was originally posted by Wild Goose. Hey speaking of Wild Goose he hasn’t posted in a while. He probably went off to get the Chest.

        Good stuff dlkutac

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        • Thanks vgboss for clarifying who originally posted that replica picture.

          I have all the editorials saved individually if anyone is having trouble pulling them up. Except, there are four from the West Yellowstone News that won’t come up.

          I suspect, but cannot prove, that the blank picture entitled “Forrest Fenn signing books at San Lazaro Pueblo”, is same photo that is in the book and is called “The author signing books at the turquoise mine”.

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      • dlk –

        To answer your question about the pictures –
        they are in the tips of the steer. Compare the old website to the new one. Don’t let um scare you.

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    • Guess i have an extended imagination. I dont see a hole in the skull, i see a distorted photo with individual’s in it . The person sitting to the right has his/her face blotted out. Does anyone else see it ? It’s very obvious to me. Plus look at the tips of his horns closely.

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      • JJ –

        I see two to three faces in each each of the hornes near the tips. I see a person to the left of the big dark hole sideways looking towards the hole – with what looks to be a shovel.

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          • I see a face that looks like it’s screaming. I think this is kind of like when you lay on your back and pick out pictures in the clouds. But, we all know FF can be tricky. I’m taking this with a grain of salt. As this is the primo photo on the first page of his web site, it could be a hint – but what?

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  62. There’s lots of “questionable images/interesting things” to find within photos. I’ve found many many many things within photos over the months, ever since the 1st day I began on this Thrill of the Chase.

    Keep looking and keep having fun. Get the kids involved!

    Maybe the kids will help you find the Treasure Chest hidden in a photo as well as the Key hidden in a photo which I found months ago! These secrets I believe hold the most Dangerous Intel which I have not been BRAVE enough to post on this blog or any other blog for that very reason.

    If you discover these items, Treasure Chest and the Key hidden within separate photos, and post them on this blog or any other blog I have no problem with it…I only have a problem of me doing it 🙂

    Keep digging!!! Begin it (w)here (w)arm (w)aters halt (www. = World Wide Web)

    Forrest Fenn intended in having fun with us? You betcha!!!

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    • Musstag,
      The photo of the skull Geydelkon posted. It appears to have 2 characters on each end of the horn’s with a distorted photo in the center. I also see the universal peace symbol.
      I showed it to my younger son and he couldn’t point them out til i gave him a clue where to look. I would assume F is doing these to get interaction with family and stimulate the mind. See how many objects you can find in the photo. I’ve done many of them long before the chase.
      Go back to the photo of the F carved in the tree Forrest had Dal post. You will find many hidden objects. VG is very good at pointing them out.

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    • By the way if you go to FF’s resource page some of the photos in the excerpts pages you can save, you dont have a few of them. Thats why they lite up when you click on them is because they arent blocked from being saved.Be sure and run your virus program on them though, just to be safe.

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      • The one picture was redrawn from the book from one of the postage stamps. I have most all the pictures from his website still being analyzed. Here is one that is the most interesting to me of all…anyway….the original has something imbedded in it looks like windows but I am only showing you the one I cleaned up….I might need to go to the Couch here very soon… 🙂
        www.wildstones.com/photos/images/skull2.png

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