Forrest strongly recommends reading Journal of a Trapper by Osbourne Russell.
to me more importantly is reading Buffalo Bill’s autobiography. there you find that Forrest’s stories in TTOTC from the chapter First Grade up to Stout Hearted Men, he mirrored his life to that of Buffalo Bill.
bob – Because of all the information you have generously shared over the years about the museums in Cody, WY, I read this book this past Winter, which has some good info. about how Iron Tail joined the show:
it could even be con trued to me from the bottom of the sea! he doesn’t want anyone to find this thing! therefore we have to adapt to life is like four cards and a joker right! did anyone ever google the word structure
Ok I am taking break from studying Einstein’s theory of relativity. I am reminded of Forrest’s quote he attributed to Einstein” “Imagination is more important than knowledge”
This is the full quote (there are other variants)
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Notice how he says imagination encircles the world? Reminds me of the quote where FF says (paraphrase) “we need a system” Is that a solar system?
I wonder if he we have it in stone that he said 5000 feet above sea level maybe it is just 5000 feet above Sante Fe on the map like ok obviously Taos is 5000 above feet Sante Fe on a map- or is the sea level for sure accurate and if he did not say Sea level ever, then that opens you to up all kinds of things
Nothing he says is in stone as far as I can tell, except maybe the words to the poem.
He made that announcement on The Today Show – 2013,
“The treasure is hidden higher than 5,000 feet above sea level,” he said on March 1.
well could i say that means that it is 5000 feet above New Orleans on a map vs up in the air LOL you never know right!
back to clue discussion! (im scolding myself here please no one take offense)
i think it was Mindy who made a comment about the Time magazine in the trash at Dals blog (great guy isn’t he?) and said something about throwing time away, or out the window ,or time stands still? something to that effect anyway but it got me to thinking….where does time stand still? where is time irrelevant? where do we try to eliminate the effects of time? In a museum. Time is in the trash in a museum. time is disposed of. artifacts are preserved. preservatives are added to food to keep them edible longer. we as humans consuming the food available to us are full of preservatives, and living longer. lol…….gotcha! well, except the museum part.
bob – In addition to time standing still in museums (great observation!),…that might have been a reference to one of Forrest’s favorite historical people, Albert Einstein:
And this was a great book I read about a month ago:
Is the book important? Yes because the poem is in/on the book.
Read the poem, read the book,read the poem,read the book etc.
Is he telling us to build our own treasure by writing our own memoir?
When you write a book about yourself,
Be sure to include your loved ones.
Once published, there’ll be no secrets
Of fathers, mothers, daughters and sons.
See the ink as it dries on a page
Then fill them, all the way down.
Go back to your beginnings
Include the smiles and the frowns.
To test your endurance,
Write 500 pages, no less.
Just dive in…what’s the harm?
The story of your life, what a mess!
In wisdom and burning desire,
The book is finished, you’ve reached the end.
Worth the wait, a wondrous sight,
A memoir of family and friends.
Now you must find a printer,
An editor for mistakes to seek,
What’s taking so long?
The story of my life won’t keep!
Read my words carefully,
This labor will earn you gold.
So put pen to paper,
To all your story is told.
LOL Nobody would want to read about my life. That is just a funny idea.
My grandmother self published 3 books about her life and couldnt understand why she had boxes and boxes of them left.
I think he suggested we send them to the library of congress. That’s probably a better idea.
In this chapter- “And I swear that cup all but covered her whole face. I thought maybe she was trying to hide.”
Sounds like hint for a veil. Like Bridal Veil Falls, Telluride, Colorado
The falls are 365 feet tall with a hydro-electric power plant at the top. Heavy loads water high. Which would make the San Miguel river our creek.
“Just heavy loads and water high”
Books and rain. Making this connection to the chapter Important Literature is what got me started on this whole poem line=chapter title train of thought.
These particular books have frustrated me until this morning.
The Catcher In The Rye
The Great Gatsby
For Whom The Bell Tolls
A Farewell to Arms
IMO – I found one common denominator for each book.
It is a huge clue. IMHO
Where does finders keepers come into it? Its not in the book, havent seen Forrest mention it.
I don’t have a clue how that got on my list. But it does work in the equation.
I wanted to share something I found while doing some research on this chapter. Im pretty sure FF wanted us to find it. Please read the article and think about FF asking for the finder to sell that bracelet to him.
The article is called Is Everything Sacred?
Well heck let me go shrinky dink that brb.
Try this one more time :
ok see what trouble a couple of capital letters can be? lol
Thanks for posting that.
You’re welcome Intothechase.
I watched an episode of Antique Roadshow yesterday and a Hopi Pottery from 1913 was sold for approx. $20,000, as the host was explaining to people that as long as provenance could be traced or the piece obtained before the law went into affect then they were ok with the sale of the item.
But, as that article you gave states there are no boundaries to explain exactly what examples we should follow. Columbia at least has banned certain artists pieces from leaving the country, as ours should follow suit.
In the book that I read called finders keepers, this argument is again gone over, whose exactly is it if it was abandoned in the earth and has no religeous ties to the tribe do they ask for every blanket and fetish and toy back just because it was their people who made it to begin with? That would be just like GE asking back every toaster they ever made before 1950 just because some of them and the irons made out of colored pyrex in the 50’s are now worth $18,000!!! Craazy!
I would just say give FF the bracelet back and let him and the Wetherell heirs duke it out since he won it from an heir who got it from Wetherell to begin with in a fair game of pool, ever before the NAGPRA law went into effect.
besides since there are Navajo and Hopi, Apache, Sioux and Blackfeet etc., who sell their newly made wares online and on the roadside stands we really will need experts traveling with us from our bank accounts to our homes just to be able to tell if it’s really ancient, fake , a replica, or the real thing but only purchased yesterday! 🙂
Kym, you said exactly what I was hoping to see, that he should be given back the bracelet. In the article it says both the seller and purchaser could be charged. All of the tribes have declared that Anasazi anything is sacred.Those beads were Anasazi.
azuredeb & kym – The 22 turquoise disc beads were excavated from a ruin by Richard Wetherill (ill, not ell). Then a Navajo silversmith made the bracelet for him. It never belonged to an Indian tribe for use in religious ceremonies. If I understand correctly, the law says no buying or selling allowed, but it’s okay to privately own these artifacts. Is that right?
Becky from WV(Quote)
Well to begin with nobody knows if they were used in a religious ceremony. The Anasazi didnt have a written language, they had petroglyphs.
The tribes surrounding the 4 corners area consider anything made by the ancient ones to be sacred. In their religious ways a person is buried with the goods they made and owned in life. That means they were most likely taken from a grave. I dont know about you but I consider my relatives graves sacred. See this is why they made the law. When early archeologists excavated they removed everything, including the bones of the dead.
yes, Becky you are right. I posted a link to the Wetherill family website awhile back. It is pretty interesting, think it’s over on Dangerous Intel along wih VG’s pics lol
I’ve always said that if I found the chest I’d give Fenn his bracelet back since it was his when he placed it in the box and has made a statement regarding his desire to see it’s return to him since I guess, he may regret putting it in there or not have realized that he’d actually miss having the darned thing. 🙂
But hey, since I haven’t found the chest and don’t have it in my hot little hands, I’m just all talk aren’t I? LOL 🙂
I find it a little disingenuous that the federal gov’t has no problem with the millions of square miles of land that were unceremoniously pilfered from Native Americans. But oh goodness a few twigs and feathers can lead to jail time for private collectors who will pay big money for those pieces they deeply value.
I think you should tell the Native Americans that in addition to their lands you also want to pilfer the graves of their ancestors.
And yet when they dig up Lucy or any other Australopithecus who is family to us all, I have no desire to start clamoring for repatriation. I don’t know where I’m going with this.
I think you’re saying that you don’t mind if someone digs up your grandmother’s grave and steals the silver from her teeth?
tomwhat – You are causing me to have to use my old college dictionary from circa 1912. It’s the size of the treasure chest & is probably just as heavy. Now then – who’s Lucy & what is an Australopithecus? I wasn’t aware that I have any family, but they are welcome here. Australopithecus? Not in my vocabulary. Is it the same as a Goobersaurus?
Anthropology… our way distant ancestors, Becky.
Did any of you research any of the books he listed in this chapter? What are your thoughts on what you found?
For the chase, I’ve read the following,
From important literature:
The Catcher in the Rye
I’ve ordered but not read yet:
The Outlaw Trail (or whatever that Redford book is titled)
I haven’t read recently, but “researched” (i.e. wikipedia’d) a little:
The Great Gatsby
For Whom the Bell Tolls
A Farewell to Arms
I haven’t read but would like to:
I think I found a clue in Kismet. I wish I understood how “red, green, black” was related to Kismet – I know there is a relation, it’s just not clear to me, and internet searches don’t really shed much light on it.
I figured since the book Fenn described when he said he was describing “For Whom the Bell Tolls” was actually Farewell to Arms that maybe I should read the real For WHom the Bell Tolls (Donne’s, not Hemingways). He said to translate every chapter.
How about you, azuredeb?
Same as you, except Finders Keepers or the Redford book. Never heard of it, is it relavent to the chase? My son lent me his copy of Flywater, I couldnt force myself to read it though! lol Not my cup of tea.
Oh by the way, I saw today that the Brown trout out west is actually from Scotland not Germany like back east. Dont think its anything but someone might think so.
The quote from this chapter was something like, “I bet if Robert Redford wrote a book it’d be a lot better than that ..,” referring to Gatsby or Bell Tolls.
The consensus seems to be The Outlaw Trail is the Redford book. I received it today (used paperback, 1978 third copyright year, looks 35 years old.) Read through most of it and looked at all the pictures. Neat book with good stories. No clues for me though.
Robert Redford wrote ecology based and some survivalist type stuff didnt he?
azuredeb – FF’s stories come from The Catcher in the Rye. Not just my opinion – fact. Listen to this.
“The book I was reading was this book I took out of the library by mistake. They gave me the wrong book, and I didn’t notice it till I got back to my room. They gave me Out of Africa, by Isak Dinesen. I thought it was going to stink, but it didn’t. It was a very good book. I’m quite illiterate, but I read a lot.”
Also – “What really knocks me out is a book that, when you’re all done reading it, you wish the author that wrote it was a terrific friend of yours…”
Another – “… he got me to read this book A Farewell to Arms …”
“I was crazy about The Great Gatsby. Old Gatsby.”
There’s more detail in the text about A Farewell to Arms & the Great Gatsby, but this is enough. I think FF took the JD Salinger stories & reworked them to suit his book. Why?
I took it that Forrest shared alot of the same emotions and experiences with JD Salinger. He became disillusioned with the government, the legal system and the media, as did JD.
Is that what you mean? Im sorry will look closer later.
azuredeb – No – that’s not it. Seems like FF’s stories are not really his own. 26 sections (chapters) comprise both books
Also – bully, marbles, janitor’s wife, leaves school, 2 ugly women, trouble crossing streets, younger sister, dead brother, brother’s car, life is a game, flunking school, runs away, white hands, tea drinking, fish, hot chocolate, radio, wrong book, up the creek, Fitzgerald, shooting BB guns, how to treat a girl, Biltmore Hotel, biking to lake, Beowulf, rainbows, buffaloes, crying, rained twice, didn’t want to be buried in cemetery (just walk into woods & die), cheese sandwich, marvelous, green, red, black, man & woman spraying liquid all over each others faces, museum w/ancient Indian displays, school children in a line, paddles, “Don’t touch anything, Children”, war, cancer, bells, moccasins, & many, many more.
“Went home. I walked all the way. It wasn’t too far & I wasn’t tired. It was very cold.”
“Certain things should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases & just leave them alone.”
I think FF created his stories from Catcher … Rye, then added parts containing hints that may or may not help us. I am just trying to relate FF’s stories to the poem, & I am failing miserably.
Not suprised, what is your email? I will send you a hint or 2 to get you started. What you need to remember is most of the stories are not what you think they are.
Becky, I think you are on to something. Wow. Speechless. This will take some thought, and more reading. Thank you, if I figure out anything I will email you.
Becky, I went back and read a little . He did do that and he told us he was going to when he said, “The only thing was, he’d left out some really important stuff about when I was a kid and doing different things. Maybe he had it in mind that I’d finish the book, or at least add on to it.”
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