In Love with Yellowstone-1

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    42 –

    Sorry to hear of your ailments.

    Two members of my family have gone to Cancer Treatment Centers of America – both cured – and both extremely happy with their treatment there.
    My prayers are with you.

    Your prayers are appreciated. Thanks. My cancer is in remission – I’m very thankful. Just wish that I could send lupus packing too.

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    • 42 –

      I wish it vanishes in a heartbeat.

      Just a little up date on the river disaster here –
      the newest water measurements are showing 300 times the amount of normal arsenic in the water.

      For all you living in Calif – you’d better wake up !!
      The river color of orange has now dissipated – and so by plane they can not longer tell where it is. It is now headed for Lake Powell and should be there by Wed. Now it’s really deadly because you can’t see it, smell it or taste it.

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    • Wow Wolf –

      What a superb article. ! I think you just nailed the very thoughts of Forrest. Great job in putting two and two together. I do believe that is exactly why he started the poem with “As”.

      As I sit here now, looking at the never been seen before, sickening color of orange (now becoming slightly yellow) river passing me by – I don’t want to drink the water here ever again – think I’ll go get a beer instead. πŸ™‚

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      • Yup that is just the beginning, soon I will introduce and prove the elusive WWWH. Those that have read my book may find the hint of where that is if “they listen to a kid”

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        • I too had those thoughts but couldnt figure out what to do with them. I saw the amount of mercury in the fish coming out of Hebgen Lake and the higher concentrations in large fish like the ones in his pictures. Its tie to kidney cancer was a factor in why he is a catch and release fly fisherman.

          Not sure how all this ties to the chest site though?

          Heavy metal pollution is a problem all across the US, but I would suspect with all the mines in the Rockies it may be higher than acknowledged.

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          • Deb, I’m not sure it relates to the chest. Wolf mentions AS being tied to Arsenic and UR found in the poem could similarly be a link to Uranium. Vietnam Nam fighter pilots rode on top of bombs exposing them to Ur/nuclear fallout.
            Medical uranium could also be what helped eradicate cancer from F’s body. Certainly an odd catch 22.

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    • Well thought out Wolf. To further confirm your theory, I was raised on fish from the Madison, Gallatin & Missouri which at the time had traces of Uranium. For years during the 1960’s the Feds mined UR in the Rockies to facilitate nuclear arms races. Cattle on some ranches grazed adjacent to open uranium mines. My Edno-surgeon stated that the milk, beef, and grains in MT & WY near UR mines often contained UR traces. As a result of childhood exposure I now have kidney disease, lupus, and thyroid cancer – attributable to UR exposure according to my physician.
      It’s still difficult for me to reconcile that the cause of my health problems was my families outdoor lifestyle in pristine Montana. Furthermore, the hillside our family home sat on was most likely high in radon – all unknown in the 70-80’s. Every family from that neighborhood has experienced thyroid, kidney, and prostate cancers, autoimmune diseases, and many related deaths.

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      • Wow 42 I had no idea that this theory actually could be that true. I am so sorry to hear about your health and I pray and wish you well and the very best in the future.
        Thank you for sharing this information and hopefully this kind of awareness will better our environment for the future.
        The Wolf

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        • Really appreciate your kindness and well wishes Wolf. One other quirky connection…I may be the only one on this crazy chase who has hiked and skiied Blaze Mountain (Montana)- spring of 1980.

          How are your book sales?

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          • Book sales, are slow but on track to reach my goal. Cancer research is thought to raise money for but something I have been very committed too for the last 25 years.

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      • Thank you for clearing that up for me 42. I am slow on the uptake nowdays. No excuses needed.

        I completely understand what your family is dealing with. Many segments of the population of the Rockies are dealing with similar issues due to the nuclear developement. NM also has its share of people impacted by those
        issues.

        My mom. remembers playing in the fall out from nuclear testing that blew through from open air tests. Large sections of people who were exposed are now living with similar health histories in their families.

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      • Wolf and 42 you both have me thinking a bit today… my father and grandfather both passed from Kidney cancer and they lived on a lake that had in the past been used heavily for logging and I believe before that mining as maps show a lot of old Copper mines in the area. I always attributed the cancer to genetics but I also had considered they were both heavy coffee drinkers and who knows what they used back then to process the coffee… you would be amazed at the chemicals that are allowed as processing aids by the fda… Thyroid issues can also be caused by not only naturally occurring toxins but by things like azodicarbonamide added to foods namely bread products… Google it sometime and look for it on the ingredient list of your bread products… I believe I might have mentioned this before as it is a pet peeve of mine but I guess maybe what I am trying to say is that some people may have been getting this toxic exposer from more than just the fish and the land but by what they were buying at the supermarket as well… Sorry I will get off my soap box now…

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          • Thanks for the prayers 42… I am betting on genetics for this since that was my adopted dad but he was the greatest man I have ever met πŸ™‚ aside from my DH ofcourse…:) May he rest in peace or chaos… He he would like that πŸ™‚

            I choose to believe in my genes from my great grandfather who lived to be 99 and my grandfather who is now 96 and my grandmother 89 they still live at home… It’s all in what you believe sometimes right?

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    • The Wolf – Just read the new posts on your blog,…your thinking is excellent as always. But I am not the only one who thinks that,…per Forrest’s comment after reading your book:

      “I like the way you think. It was entertaining and thought provoking”

      Forrest Fenn – Author and Treasure Hunt Designer

      NEW RUMOR – I think The Wolf is onto something,…but he always was,…wasn’t he??? He just wasn’t having a “tight focus” on MONTANA previously!!! If you want to THINK like The Wolf,…buy his book and donate to cancer research. And keep up with his blog. I read everything he posts. πŸ™‚

      FUTURE PREDICTION – The Wolf will go back to school this fall,…focusing on physics,…and will be come a famous astrophysicist,…just like Forrest’s friend, Richard Blake (who found him the ’35 Plymouth Tudor Twin). And then he will discover the solution to Einstein’s unified field theory with ME.

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      • The Wolf – Quote for the day,…in reference to being BANNED from The Chase blogs,…or having your EXCELLENT comments deleted by Goofy et al:

        β€œBlind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
        ? Albert Einstein

        When Ben Franklin was fired by his brother,…at age 12,…for writing under the pseudonym, Mrs. Silence Dogood,…he later started his OWN newspaper and almanac,…to get his thoughts out there. And you started your own blog. Right. πŸ˜‰

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      • Oh E* you are just too kind! But you are correct I just needed to work my way north where it is worth the cold.

        Thank you very much for supporting cancer research. After hearing about other searcher’s battle with cancer I am happy that so many other searchers are supportive of this cause.

        The Wolf

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        • The Wolf – My Dad has been fighting Pancreatic cancer for over four years now,…including having the extensive Whipple Procedure surgery,…right after it was discovered. He is doing very well,…Thank God. πŸ™‚

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          • That is awesome news E*. Pancreatic cancer is one of the most difficult ones and part of my motivation. I had a close pilot friend that died in his 40s and a very close neighbour who died very early from pancreatic cancer. My next door neighbour has just battled off pancreatic cancer that he contracted in 2008 which is an amazing achievement. I wish your father all the best in his battle and encourage all to give to cancer research. We can beat this indiscriminate disease.

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  2. stephanie davis, put on your thinking hat, what does CES Wood and Frank A Fenn, both who fought the Nez Perce Indians who later traveled thru YS when it was A National Park. What does it mean… do you think ff knows of Frank A Fenn?

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  3. Stephanie, in my thinking this story is actually about the railroad. I dont expect anyone else to accept it, getting used to that! lol I posted under spam topic thanking you but, wanted you to see it. I appreciate your kindness in sharing your railroad information!

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    • azuredeb, welcome aboard the crazy train theory πŸ™‚ lol….I actually think it’s a good one. When I first started this search I wrote down everything that didn’t seem to fit in these stories and thing I thought were definite clues and then I looked for the connection between them. Trains was the only REAL connection I found. Add that to the fact that FF has made a couple of train jokes in his interviews, I think this could be a good bet. I don’t think he says anything by accident.

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      • I agree Stephanie, and he doesnt make mistakes either. All those things mean something. He is seeing if anyone is paying attention.

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    • It’s hard not to put time into the train theory. I got all excited when Stephanie brought it up on Dal’s blog. I had been making connections prior to all her post’s they were just at a different location.

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      • JJ, it could very well be at a different location. I’ve searched promontory point in Utah as well as other train connections down in Idaho, but I always come back to the statement FF made about him hiding the treasure in a place he has known for YEARS and that he would want to be buried there. Then I thought about trains in NM but I keep coming back to west yellowstone as Lewis and Clark traveled on the first steam engine out that way. Plus with all the mention of soda FF makes….coke was an early form of coal for the trains. Coke coal.

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      • JJ, I didnt say its on a train I said a train played a part in an explaination of a chapter that I didnt fully understand the symbolism. Its funny what you run across when you research. πŸ™‚

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  4. This all happened 70 years ago. After that much time, several stories can meld into one, or one story can split into many, recollected by a younger brother who dearly idolized and still misses his elder. The sad and mundane parts of the story fall away while the remainder is embellished. It’s the feelings and lessons that are important, not the details. Unless you are looking for significance in the years trying to extract gps coordinates or something.

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  5. This chapter and the one about the road trip dont add up to me, let me explain. You see my mom and Forrest are the same age. I remember having conversations with my mom, aunts,and grandparents about life during the depression and the war years. So many things in daily life were rationed: sugar, fats, cheese, oil, gasoline, tires, cars and typewriters. Each person in a family got ration stamps to entitle them to purchase those things. The stamps were registered in each persons name, when you used them up you had to wait till the next time allotment was. With tires, they were never put in dumps because they were recycled along with anything else made with rubber. Rubber recycling of tires persisted clear up until I was a child. So what do you all think these stories are about?

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    • So just to clarify, are you saying rubber was recycled prior to 1942 (during “Depression”), or only after 1942 (WW II years in US). Was there a substantial difference in scarcity of rubber during those two periods? Were either of those stories prior to 1942?

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      • Yes you are right about the date on the rationing. It started in 1942,and ended in 1946. in the first story he does mention at the end of it that his dad trades in the 1936 vehicle for a 1941 vehicle. The later story doesnt have a date it just says 1940s, but if Forrest was born in 1930 in 1942 he would be 12. In the story it mentions Skippy doesnt have a license, and that his parents allowed him to go along on a 1600 mile trip. Then we read about running along side a driverless car going 20 miles an hour. Somehow I cant see this happening. His dad made sure they knew the penalties for breaking rules and laws,he applied it to their behinds. So why would he allow something like that?

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        • Yes you are right about the date on the rationing. It started in 1942,and ended in 1946. in the first story he does mention at the end of it that his dad trades in the 1936 vehicle for a 1941 vehicle. The later story doesnt have a date it just says 1940s, but if Forrest was born in 1930 in 1942 he would be 12. In the story it mentions Skippy doesnt have a license, and that his parents allowed him to go along on a 1600 mile trip. Then we read about running along side a driverless car going 20 miles an hour. Somehow I cant see this happening. His dad made sure they knew the penalties for breaking rules and laws,he applied it to their behinds. So why would he allow something like that?

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          • Oh and Skippy was 2 years older than Forrest, so that would have made Skippy 14 to 18 during the time of rationing. See why I question it?

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          • The stories about Skippy, of course, remind me of trains. Old steam trains ran at an average of 20 mph(the speed of skippy’s car) and had to re-tender every 50 miles(changing a tire). As kids here in AR there was a train that ran through the back of our neighborhood real slow. We would run beside it and jump on and off, sometimes riding it down to Fisher Ford bridge and jumping off when it got near the swimming hole. These stories also mention how FLAT all the animals were, hence the reason ppl put pennies on the rails, to flatten them. And the putt-putt over the hill comment is how steam engines used to be described. Also the mexican comment with regards to Skippy, the latest territory/acquisition for the RR was Mexico.

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          • Yep it’s a good point. Thanks for the clarification. When I read your original post I thought, “Verrrrrry interesting!” but then I auto-switched back over to due-diligence-on-the-facts mode. Now I’m back to “veryyyy interesting.”

            I do think it is possible that long ride home is the ride on which Mr. Fenn and his brother went to a secret spot together. I’m not sure what else can be extracted from that story as a clue, however.

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