First Grade-1

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  1. Luckydog:
    I’d vote for deb or into for searcher of the month. You both deserve it. I may not post as much, but I still watch.

    No, that would be my husband Art. I just keep doing the reading and thinking, he is the searcher. We work as a team, since the hitch in my getalong kind of sides lines me from the actual searches. He is the real searcher.

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    • Crowdog

      well i guess if you want to be poster of the month its ok with me because i got nothing to do with poster of the month i am in charge of searcher of the month

      i kind of took the ball from dal and ran with it after he named renelle searcher of the month on his blog and then never named another one after her

      its a way to keep the memory of renelle alive

      renelle never disclosed to us what her nine clues were or even why she flew over yellowstone in a helicopter

      so i didnt understand why she earned the title of searcher of the month

      until later then i realized it was her spirit and courage to live each day as if it were her last thats what dal wanted us to recognize

      keep searching no matter what

      so when people come on here and slam ff or offer up clue solutions that seem ridiculos i nominate them searcher of the month to remind the rest of us to keep searching no matter what

      in memory of renelle

      my keyboard is broken cant use punctuation

      even so i keep posting

      no matter what

      lol

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  2. Mike:
    It is interesting how often he makes note of the weather, and you know he can’t possibly remember what the weather was for all of these stories decades ago.He may just be doing it for literary effect, in fact I think I remember him saying something like that once.But the geyser idea is definitely a possibility.He’s so tricky.

    Mike, are you in NM? That canyon I mentioned up near Raton, … if you get up that way can you confirm what that long reddish man-made formation is? Thanks.

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  3. All those little oval faces… lined up like olives in a jar…. Do you suppose this a graph? Tough to determine which row some kids are in, and if teachers are included, but your inner cryptologist could apply letters to each location…the alphabet, the poem, the first sentences of the story, etc. and maybe the 4 or 5 marked positions spell something. My other thought on this story is that Park County MT abuts Park County WY, and on the road from Gardiner, there is a wood sign that marks the 45th parallel dividing line between MT & WY. Then again, bounce / bad language/ ora mae / hide & smoke/ hard biscuit / 1 pony, 2:1 ratio may be the clue. All this work right from First Grade. I am weak & tired.

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    • Yikes, here I am replying to my own post! I think you will catch up pretty fast.
      If that grid of children is too unwieldy, try the 5×16 window above their heads because windows are a frequent reference in the book. And if you carry the window grid image into the next story… all that stuff about biddies down the block, a brick house, crossing the street, cracks, tall and long, zero and home, under-where, etc. may make some sense to you. If it does, please enlighten me. Those 4×6 books in Important Literature still cause me trouble… is that a ref. to 6 stanzas of 4 lines… or some kind of window grid?
      My other thought on those “biddies” was that they might be the rangers at the Entrance Gates where you cross into Yellowstone … but those are log houses.

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      • Yes some people have had that thought about the guards.

        Im still working on the circles.Some have mentioned moon phases, Im just not sure about it yet.

        Everyone sees something different in everything, thats what makes this so fun.

        I wonder about all those L’s, why do girls have them but boys dont? Odd.

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        • I think the school just wanted everyone in the same color, the girls used the white school property t-shirts (maybe gym class attire) and the boys just used their undershirts…. I wonder why FF uses PROUD so often, as in the mom & clean underwear statement. In some old usage, proud meant tall. … proud waves = tall waves. I hate those letter grid type puzzles, but if there is one, the 5×5 window over the door might be it because the parking space sign was by the door and 5 / nickel are also common refs. I’m gonna put that theory aside for awhile.

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      • Oh and one I can answer and its just my opinion, the 4×6 is a reference to the difference between laptops and tablets. Look at it closely .

        Now before the rest of you start up, I said its my opinion. Doesnt have to be how you see it.

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        • Hi, Asure, My direction is mostly Yellowstone, I think much book (especially in IMPORTANT LITERATURE) points that direction. In some of the stuff on YSNP it mentions there are “interactive” tools for visitors at the museaums, so I wondered if thats what people were reading in the “book store”. On the next morning at the store (rainy again? geyser mist?) he leaves the “childrens section, cooking, & travel” sections … that sounds to me like morning in the group camp sites… kids playing, moms cooking, trailers coming in and out. Your opinion?

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          • Oops again, sorry … meant Azure, not Asure. tricky little finger dance. Cant figure out how that “edit” option works.

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          • Yes I think children have everything to do with the chase. I believe anyone who isnt looking a place a child would be is looking in the wrong place.
            So thats not really what you asked me but its my answer.
            By the way, you can call me deb, its easier to type.

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          • It is interesting how often he makes note of the weather, and you know he can’t possibly remember what the weather was for all of these stories decades ago. He may just be doing it for literary effect, in fact I think I remember him saying something like that once. But the geyser idea is definitely a possibility. He’s so tricky.

            You had mentioned Gardiner canyon in NM (which I did not know about), you probably know of Gardiner, MT, at the north entrance of YNP.

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    • By partially solving the poem before reading the book, I dont’t worry about what is and isn’t important literature or who Ora Mae and the “bitch” are. I know what and who they are. For me, they were just confirmations that I was on the right track. The chapter titled “First Grade” is a clue and it has nothing to do with Forrest ever being in 1st grade. There are titles that would more clearly describe the content of this chapter, but where’s the fun in that.

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  4. YW Mike & farfetched.

    That is a mystery alright since they aren’t exactly featured in any of the stories. Same goes for Pat. Apparently the only mark on the original photo is the arrow. All of the circles and names (including “ME”) were added digitally after the photo was scanned.

    Some have asked why the circles are broken also. I think it’s for the same reason that the particular typeface was used for the names, which is to make them look like they were done by hand. It’s just an opinion, but it’s common practice when adding something “hi-tech” to something nostalgic.

    I was able to find a lot about Forrest and Peggy from their H.S. years, but the Lanier School records are harder to track down. It wasn’t yielding anything that I thought was very useful, so I put it on the back burner.

    One theory of mine as to why those particular people are circled is that they were close to Forrest and have passed away. Maybe Edard moved away or died prior to high school and that’s why I couldn’t find him in the yearbooks? There almost has to be a common denominator that connects them. But maybe not? 😉

    Maybe some of the anagram folks out there should have a crack at the names? Excluding Forrest because the arrow pointing to him was there already before the photo was scanned and changed, we have Sydney Kacir (he’s the only one referred to by his last name…is that important?), Pat Morisak, William “Skippy” Fenn and the elusive Edard (enter last name here?).

    I’ll look through my old notes and if I find anything that might help, I’ll post them.

    Peacemaker

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    • Peacmaker –

      Pat Morisak anagrams to = Pratimoksais

      which is a list of rules (contained within the vinaya) governing the behaviour of Buddhist monks.

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    • The class photo has the names labeled “Me, Edard, Pat, Kacir, and Skippy.
      If you anagram the first 4, “caretaker did map”. Also “dramatic red peak” – Colorado is Spanish for “color red”
      I found this one interesting from “Important Literature”. The protagonist in Catcher in the Rye is Holden Caulfield. Forrest states that he is telling his own story. His name anagrams to:
      Loaded niche full
      Unlace field hold, Unclad field hole, Call hounded life

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  5. I couldn’t find Edard, but Kacir is Sydney Kacir. He was one grade above Forrest in school. Graduated in ’47, Forrest graduated in ’48 from Temple H.S.

    Pat is probably Pat Morisak and she was in the same grade as Forrest and graduated in ’48.

    While Edard is an unusual name, when I searched Classmates.com several people with Edard for a first name came up, just none for Forrest’s schools. In several yearbooks for T.H.S. at the time when FF and Skippy were there (not all years were available) FF was missing from his sophomore yearbook and Skippy wasn’t in any that were online for the years he should have been in them. They probably just missed class photo days.

    His sister June and wife Peggy were in several of the yearbooks.

    Interesting side note on the yearbooks. The Temple H.S. and Temple Jr. College yearbooks are sometimes combined on the website. The H.S. yearbook is called “The Cotton Blossom” and the Jr. College yearbook is called “The Templar” for all you DaVinci Code buffs.

    Peacemaker

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      • Perhaps they were circled because that photo in the book is an actual copy of his year book, and those people were special to him- perhaps his close friends. I have been reminded more than once of the movie “A Beautiful Mind”. Not everything is a secret message.

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      • you typed faster than me Mike… I guess we never figured out why those people were circled, (friends perhaps) but we did discuss the tic-marks on those circles…

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  6. Has anyone noticed the fact that the circles drawn around the faces of four students at Lanier School on pages 16 and 17 have at least two breaks in them, so that one quarter of each circle is separate from the rest of the circle? It seems strange to me, which leads me to believe there is a hidden message concerning the location of the treasure. Could it have something to do with the Enchanted Circle in New Mexico? Any ideas?

    The circles are drawn around the faces of Edard, Pat, Kacir, and Skippy, but my questions are not related to the identities of those circled. I am asking about the way the circles are drawn, and the fact that they are drawn in a broken manner.

    Your feedback will be appreciated!

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      • Or, possibly part of some GPS coordinates, or to the basic elements: SE=air/water, SW=air/fire, possible nothing at all…LOL

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          • I’ve seen a lot of circular/compass-like graphic symbols in my day, (graphic arts) ie. Elements of Feng Shui, logos, etc., Google it, there’s a lot to look at out there.

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    • I dont have a clue yet but will think on it. Thank you for pointing it out Josh Eng, I will note it for future. I have to write myself notes since my memory is so bad. If I run across something I will let you know.

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    • I have been wondering who is Edard and Kacir in the Lanier School photo .Those are not commom names even back then. I ‘ve found no reference to them anywhere.

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  7. OK, I’ve found another oddity in the book (pg.16) that I cannot figure out. You all may have noticed how the book titles are italicized when Forrest is referring to books in literature… Well, what about the word “really” that is also italicized when he talks about the mother calling her son a “son of a bitch”? So I did find a book out there called “Really!”, “A Memoir and Other Observations from a Man Who’s Lived Life ‘Not Quite Famous Enough” by Marc Freden… idk, Is this another hidden message? Could this be another book he is wanting us to read? I don’t see any other words like (really) being used as expressive. See what I mean?

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    • I thought this chapter was about Forrests legal problems with the artifacts.This is about his gallery, the person working for the government, and an employee of the Fenn gallery who said bad things about him.

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    • NotSoWise: Another interesting find. A quick scan of the book also reveals ‘really’ italicized on Page 25.

      It seems pretty coincidental – based on the book title alone – something that Mr. Fenn would certainly be interested in.

      AzureDeb: Once again I have no idea how your mind works, but that’s OK. I will stop by to pick up a $10 bag of whatever you’re smoking next time I’m in NM though. :o) *smile*

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      • Thanks Chaser for pointing that out, I must have missed that one. That’s odd though, don’t you think?
        There is also a music album/CD by JJ Cale entitled “Really” with some song titles that sound like parts of the book &/or poem… “Lies”, (Where the Treasure Lies”, “Right Down Here” (Look Quickly Down), I’ll Kiss the World Goodbye… “idk, maybe I’ve been hangin out over at AzureDeb’s house”. Ha!

        AzureDeb, IDK what book are you reading from…sorry.

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        • My litmus test, when considering whether a book-puzzle theory is worth pursuing, is to ask myself, “is the clue being revealed by the book-puzzle necessary to have, in order to solve the (clue in the) poem, or is it only a nice-to-have, but the poem can be solved alone?”

          If it’s ‘necessary’, that’s a red flag to me, and I’ll stop pursuing. Because I believe the poem can be solved by itself, I interpret the ‘subtlety’ of the clues in the poem as necessarily meaning they are very simple simple and typically of low complexity. (unfortunately ‘subtle’ has some unclear/undesirable definitions for this case, such as ‘delicately complex’)

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      • Well did any of you notice anything at all in the preface of the book?Forrest kept repeating the word “funny”, did that give you any clue whatsoever on investigating what you were reading? Did you not notice the phrase “ignoring time itself might be a secret technique”? Didnt that make you wonder? Never solved any puzzles? Look deeper.

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          • I take this basically literally, well, as ‘folk literal interpration’, too. Every time you see Mr. Fenn on the Today show you’re seeing a fox dressed like a hound. Yep. Foxes are clever. They can play hounds. More meaning there? Don’t know, but doubt it.

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        • I did not consider either 5 funnys, or the ignoring time statement as clues.

          How many total ‘funny’s in the book? What percentage were in the preface, I wonder?

          Ignoring time, sounds like reflections/hopes of an inspired man who wants more time to contribute more to the world. Nothing more to me.

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          • The “ignoring time” thing was (and is) very important to the location of my spot (where I found the bison skull painted on a boulder). But, of course, that is all I have found so far, so I could very well be wrong.

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          • Mike:
            Cool find. Can you extrapolate further on where or how you found your rock art? What part of the poem/chase you think it fits into? Maybe the general terrain around? The color or type of rock? Forrest or River or Mountains nearby? Any photos you can share? That would be an interesting find to discuss similar blazes found by others and whether they might mean something ..

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    • I think a better way to say what’s on my mind is:

      The poem is the puzzle that I am (and I believe everyone should be) trying to solve.

      The book has subtle clues sprinkled throughout the stories. That’s a fact that is written in the book itself. I believe the clues in the book can help solve/refine the poem, but I don’t believe the book or any of its contents puzzles.

      I take the book at face value as a memoir of “mostly true” stories, with subtle clues in the form words used, ideas expressed, or other works referenced, but I don’t believe any of the stories are cleverly encoded to refer to some other “non-literal” meaning (e.g., “when I tell about *this*, what I’m really talking about is *that*).

      I think that’s why I always react to analysis of complex book interpretations as though they are coming out of left field. I accept that everyone could be right, nobody has the chest. It just violates a foundational tenet of my ‘solution philosophy’ – that the poem is all you need.

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      • Oh and lets not forget, “Occasionally, its’s wise for the fox to dress like the hound.” Also in the preface.
        So what if I or anyone else sees something different than what you see. I personally dont say you need to back off the beer at some of the odd stuff that comes off your keyboards. So do others the courtesy of just ignoring what you dont agree with, like I do ok? It will make for a much nicer experience for everyone. Thanks

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    • I do have a small problem with the publish date of that book though. Oct 2010, which is after(?) the publish date of TTOTC, which was 2010 also, not sure what month. But to believe he read it would imply he had access to a pre-published manuscript of this other guy’s memoir – which certainly isn’t outside the scope of possibility given Mr. Fenn’s range of contacts in his lifetime. But it is pushing on the limits of likelihood.

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  8. tomwhat, I read a few pages online, possibly a shortened version of the story, just to try to see if it had any significance to TTOTC, but I didn’t see any except the coin / treasure part. I was just wondering if anyone else had. I guess I thought that since the beginning of the book (TTOTC) was about literature and numerous books are mentioned, that maybe this had some hidden meaning.

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  9. Well guys my take on the olive jar had nothing to do with the treasure at all. I think the olive jar represents putting artifacts behind glass in museums. Forrest advocates for interactive history.

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  10. I came across something… not sure if it means anything but, regarding the “jar of olives” reference, pg. 16, There is also a book called “Jar of Olives” about a treasure of gold coins hidden a jar of olives… idk, google it… Has anyone else researched this? Any thoughts?

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