Dancing with the Millennium-1

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  1. in this chapter Forrest talks about the fogs on the jars. their bulbous eyes and long legs. but no mention of feet. throughout TTOTC he talks about socks, shoes, but not feet. i talk a lot about rabbits in my posts because of their big back feet. my rabbits, his frogs, because the blaze is feet.

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      • hey Wolf- jack it up to the next level…..hmmm.
        Jackrabbits!!
        instead of a cotton tail’s foot I need a jackrabbit foot! theyre huge!
        wait a minute.
        no, no, wait….Kangaroos!!
        got it Wolf! i need a carry around a kangaroos foot with me! talk about a good luck charm. man i cant wait. but how to get a kangaroos foot? wait for one to die at a local zoo and buy the whole kangaroo! thats it! cut off a back foot, dye it, and put a chain on it. I could sell the other one.
        Wolf- thanks for the inspiration.
        is there such a thing as a snowshoe kangaroo? that would be really big….well, other than the ancient wolly rabbit. but theyre extinct. only see them now in museums and Taco Bell commercials.

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  2. into:
    Is there something I’m not seeing ?

    I just found it yesterday.I knew it was there, because others had hinted but couldnt find it . Here you go:

    Beyond the night that covers me, I endure for those misguided. All that is needed has been provided. “Svn qnzcr chudqfdc hm z vnnc, zmc H — H snnj sgd nmd kdrr sqzudkdc ax, zmc sgzs gzr lzcd zkk sgd…

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    • Great Job Deb – Thank you

      Here is the website: Be patient and the world will start turning for you. I highlighted the words on the page and it started. I don’t know if you have to do that or just wait. I’m impatient.

      wherewarmwatershalt.com/homepage-live/

      Beyond the night that covers me,
      I endure for those misguided.
      All that is needed has been provided.
      ———————————————————–
      “Svn qnzcr chudqfdc hm z vnnc, zmc H —
      H snnj sgd nmd kdrr sqzudkdc ax,
      zmc sgzs gzr lzcd zkk sgd cheedqdmbd.”

      Here is the long version of the above:

      www.ccs.neu.edu/jpt/jpt_2_2/labs/Data/src/data/frost.caesar

      Sgd Qnzc mns Szjdm
      ax Qnadqs Eqnrs

      Svn qnzcr chudqfdc hm z xdkknv vnnc,
      Zmc rnqqx H bntkc mns sqzudk ansg
      Zmc ad nmd sqzudkdq, knmf H rsnnc
      Zmc knnjdc cnvm nmd zr ezq zr H bntkc
      Sn vgdqd hs adms hm sgd tmcdqfqnvsg;

      Sgdm snnj sgd nsgdq, zr itrs zr ezhq,
      Zmc gzuhmf odqgzor sgd adssdq bkzhl,
      Adbztrd hs vzr fqzrrx zmc vzmsdc vdzq;
      Sgntfg zr enq sgzs sgd ozrrhmf sgdqd
      Gzc vnqm sgdl qdzkkx zants sgd rzld,

      Zmc ansg sgzs lnqmhmf dptzkkx kzx
      Hm kdzudr mn rsdo gzc sqnccdm akzbj.
      Ng, H jdos sgd ehqrs enq zmnsgdq czx!
      Xds jmnvhmf gnv vzx kdzcr nm sn vzx,
      H cntasdc he H rgntkc dudq bnld azbj.

      H rgzkk ad sdkkhmf sghr vhsg z rhfg
      Rnldvgdqd zfdr zmc zfdr gdmbd:
      Svn qnzcr chudqfdc hm z vnnc, zmc H —
      H snnj sgd nmd kdrr sqzudkdc ax,
      Zmc sgzs gzr lzcd zkk sgd cheedqdmbd.

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    • TWO ROADS DIVERGED IN A WOOD, AND I –
      I TOOK THE ONE LESS TRAVELED BY,
      AND THAT HAS MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

      letter substitution.

      z=a m=n c=d k=l h=i s=t g=h d=e l=m e=f q=r b=c r=s n=o j=k v=w u=v f=g a=b x=y

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      • Two roads – but didn’t he say it wasn’t near a road ? Well, not a human road perhaps.

        Here is the entire poem:
        Robert Frost (1874–1963). Mountain Interval. 1920.

        1. The Road Not Taken

        TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
        And sorry I could not travel both
        And be one traveler, long I stood
        And looked down one as far as I could
        To where it bent in the undergrowth;

        Then took the other, as just as fair,
        And having perhaps the better claim,
        Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
        Though as for that the passing there
        Had worn them really about the same,

        And both that morning equally lay
        In leaves no step had trodden black.
        Oh, I kept the first for another day!
        Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
        I doubted if I should ever come back.

        I shall be telling this with a sigh
        Somewhere ages and ages hence:
        Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
        I took the one less traveled by,
        And that has made all the difference.

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      • Thank you UA and Into. I am glad you were able to do that. 🙂

        My vision is acting up again, and the clock is running out so I figured everyone should be on the same plane. Not sure its anything to do with Forrest, but it was worth posting.

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        • Thanks again Girlfriend, for posting that.

          I don’t have a clue where it is going either. When I find out – ha ha – I’ll let you know. 🙂

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  3. E*:
    Bob – I’ll dig into the Bronze Chest to see what I can find in there to pay you. And preferences?

    p.s. That’s Ms. E,…which is what I believe The Wolf called me previously. Perhaps I will be the SECOND Female Director,…to win an Academy Award for my work? Well,…after Angelina Jolie wins it for “Unbroken” in 2015.

    aahhumm! E* please revisit our prior conversation, before cutting in these “extras” on the set. Pretty sure you were writing the movie script using my solution with scenes for snow skiing and Bart the Bear II. Just kidding 😉

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    • lia – Oh,…my mistake. I thought you were the Locations Scout,…and not the Script Writer. But snow skiing and Bart the Bear II are both TOTALLY IN THE MOVIE! And Brad is still the shoe-in to play Forrest (only because Bart the Bear II knows him).

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      • lia – Bart the Bear (the original) could sometimes be a problem on the set,…like when he photobombed Jennifer Aniston (during the filming of “The Bear”?):

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  4. A thousand years from now, or more, when somebody digs up the bell that says- “he who dies with over fifty dollers is a failure” what will they think that means? Assuming they read and speak English, which is doubtful. Of course the misspelled word dollers will certainly throw them for a loop. How is it a person or persons capable of casting bronze cannot spell? The obvious intended word here is dollars. Suppose there are no paper dictionaries of the English language in a thousand years or more. What then? Suppose the finder is unable to figure out what it says at all? Furthermore, who cares? We living now will be long dead.
    This message is for us, now. Misspelling dollars reaffirms imagination is more important than knowledge. From Jump Starting the Learning Curve…

    ….it would come to me that one of the greatest mistakes of human endeavor has been the belief that wealth and fame could always equate with intelligence.

    By misspelling dollars, he confirms this statement. Obviously the maker of the bell is not smart, he can’t spell. But poor people can’t afford to cast bronze. And because of this word and the attempt to find a meaning of “dollers” this jar and it’s maker become famous in the archaeology world. They are also stunned by the fact that the maker of this jar discounts wealth. How can somebody, somewhere cast a bronze bell with less than 50 dollars in his pocket at death? Where did his fortune go? Historically, as in Egypt, the wealthy are buried with much of their possessions for the afterlife.
    I imagine the finders of the bell scratching their heads thinking..what great event could have possibly taken place, that would cause this person to get rid of all their worldly possessions, except for 49 dollars?

    I think the bells and jars are to create a future mystery. With words and symbols that future archaeologists will spend much time and effort debating their meaning. The name Forrest Fenn will become as common to future generations as the name King Tut, is to us now.
    Shrouded in mystery. He arranged the poem and book to give the appearance that knowledge is needed to solve the location of the treasure, when in fact all that’s needed is imagination.
    I like to imagine I know things.

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    • Yep, we all like to imagine we do. 🙂

      There are several misspellings, not sure they all are a hint at something profound? Maybe they are there just to make us think.

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    • Archeologist #1: (speaking Chinese)
      What ya got there chi?

      Archaeologist#2 (speaking Chinese also, 1,000 years from now)
      Chi: (digging, strikes something metallic) it, it appears to be another bronze dome!
      Li: wait! I’ll help you!

      Chi and li work together to extract an artifact.
      Li: it’s a cooking pot, chi. Notice the loops on the bottom for the fire.
      (They are holding one of FF’s bells upside down)
      Chi: quite right old boy, for heating tea or soup!
      Li: this one has ancient words as well, what does it say?
      Chi:(rotating bell slowly from left to right) it says- EGE7 MONK NVHI INVIKOdWI EKOW SI NOIIVNIKVWI
      Li: hmmmm ….that’s old English. Like the domes!
      Chi: what can it represent?
      Li: yes! Just as we thought! It says- this vessel is for heating food. This confirms our research! Like the domes from the kingdom of Fenn of the Forrest this cooking pot only adds to our collection from the time period ad1995-ad2020.
      Chi: we’ll be famous!
      Li: slow down chi, we need to understand the words.
      Chi: is difficult, but not impossible?
      Li: who cares what it says? It’s really old.
      Chi: hi five!

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      • Bob – If you are available,…when I make my TTOTC Academy Award-winning movie,…I would like YOU to help me write the dialogue for the script. You are very talented. And you ALWAYS make me laugh. Thank you. 🙂

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          • Bob – I’ll dig into the Bronze Chest to see what I can find in there to pay you. And preferences? 😉

            p.s. That’s Ms. E,…which is what I believe The Wolf called me previously. Perhaps I will be the SECOND Female Director,…to win an Academy Award for my work? Well,…after Angelina Jolie wins it for “Unbroken” in 2015.

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          • Bob – Correction: That will be the THIRD Female Best Director Oscar,…because Kathryn Bigelow was the first woman ever to win that award,…for “The Hurt Locker”.

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          • E- Ha! You’ve got to find the bronze chest before you can go digging around in it.

            I won’t buy any paper or pencils yet.

            Your confidence level is pretty high though, I like that.

            I wont post my best stuff til you drop out of the chase permanently. I’ll save it for the movie.

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          • Bob – The ONLY reason I will drop out of The Chase permanently,…is if I find the Bronze Chest,…and then I will be calling you for that Script! DO sharpen your pencils, Bob! 😉

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  5. I am pleased to announce that I have figured out why he left the d out of knowledge. (I think)
    It’s just a joke. Because he misspells knowledge, it proves he is not smart. And to him imagination rules. Proof is in the bells and jars themselves. His idea, using imagination. By misspelling knowledge he reduces the impact and effect of knowledge itself, elevating imagination.
    Isn’t that funny? I think so.

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    • That is funny Bob 😉 and of course F prayed for D’s in school but no one listened. He may also be a leg man aka ‘know leg’. I say this because F sculpts long legged beauties on some of his bells, quite nicely done in art nouveau style., maybe he likes frog legs too 🙂

      Lege as in book or leger
      Lord, or inspiring person, Latin=law,
      Norwegian= legend,
      English lege is plural of lex=laws,
      Danish=legs
      Know the L-shape landing strip at EGE (Vail Eagle Airport)
      *Truly, I think he means imagination is more important than knowlege. You have to use your imagination to know where the d went!

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      • By misspelling knowledge, he is disrespecting knowledge. As we see in TTOTC.
        Yes Lia, praying for D’s, nobody listened. So, no d for knowledge either. Lol

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      • Spallies, I thanked you earlier but my comment was moderated? I truly appreciated your photos of Ellensburg Blue Chalcedony. The color range reminds me so much of spring lilacs. I ordered the stone book to enjoy as well. As they say in Sweden, Tusend Tak or a thousand thanks Spallies..

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  6. Here is the hint in this chapter to Buffalo Bill Cody…..”I could have just as easily been watching a smithy in the 7th cavalry shoe a horse.”

    Bill Cody’s mother died November 1863, his father had already passed. He enlisted on February 19th 1864 and was mustered in on February 24th. The 7th cavalry, Kansas. Later, in his autobiography he wrote….”one day after having been under the influence of bad whiskey, I awoke to find myself a soldier in the seventh cavalry. I do not remember how or when I enlisted.”

    This has happened many times over to American boys upon the loss of a mother, first we medicate with alcohol and when the bottle is empty, we want to kill people.

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    • Hey Bob you hit one right on the “number” right on, most see he was a scout for the 5th Cavalry. Did you known he also fought in “9” battles and worked for 7 expeditions. Since no one else is catching things in the book maybe I should just send you what I have found. Sorry E* you did find the nickels on the graves info after my comment. You know Cody in his early years. (a quote-) ” in the middle” of the Mississippi; becoming frightened at the situation we lost our presence of mind, ” as well as our oars” so could that be like “no paddle up your creek”. Yes there are things I have found in my eyes that relate to Forrest writings and there’s so much more and it seems your research is paying off too Bob. Bur

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  7. FF said- “I don’t care if it’s found for a thousand years”
    Millenium.
    The bronze bells and jars are buried three feet deep, beyond the reach of metal detectors.

    This line of the poem..”I can keep my secret where” fits Dancing with the Millenium”

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  8. Luckydog:
    I have always wondered about days of the week. Especially, Mondays.

    “At age fifty eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on a Monday.”

    this should be read in context of the sentence that comes after

    there is a very important clue here

    “At age fifty eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on a Monday. Think about that for a minute”

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    • 🙂 Chris Yates,

      Your posts are always interesting and thoughtful, clearly xpressed.

      To resolve answers vs answer, at least here it is not in question
      1st word
      4th line from bottom

      “I didn’t think were there.”

      :);)TGC&CS

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  9. astree:

    “I’ve done it tired and now I’m week” , as there appears to be a reference to seven days.

    for those familiar with my poem solve stanza 2 goes with stanza 5

    the first part of stanza 2 is WWH where you start and the first question of stanza 5, leave my trove, goes with this

    and it follows that the second half of stanza 5 goes with the second location of stanza 2, taking the canyon down

    i’ve done it tired and now i’m weak, is related to taking the canyon

    and so one of the clue meanings of ive done it and now im weak (week) is that from the start to taking the canyon down, you have traveled a week of miles.

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  10. .
    “Imagination is more important than knowlege”

    Is he implying “and I can prove it by not having enough knowledge to spell it”

    “D” ?

    KNOWLEGE
    LONG WEEK

    “I’ve done it tired and now I’m week” , as there appears to be a reference to seven days.

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      • What a funny watch she remarked, ‘It tells the day of the month and doesn’t tell what o’clock it is.
        “Why should it?” muttered the Hatter. Does your watch tell you what year it is?”
        “Of course not, but that’s because it stays the same year for such a longtime.”
        “Which is just the case with mine.” said the Hatter.
        From Alice in Wonderland.

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    • I have always wondered about days of the week. Especially, Mondays.

      “At age fifty eight I had spent more than nineteen years asleep, and three of those years were on a Monday.”

      I had this written down and I can’t tell you what page it is on in TTOTC, sorry.

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    • .
      Great comment, thanks all. Chris, I like the idea of using the “week” to generically represent “7” ( in addition to the “seven days” he mentioned).

      This line is a good example, in the previous comparing Forrest’s work to a hologram … contain a myriad of overlapping info. As stated, the previous line ends “wonky” ( meaning “tired” ), the reference to the 7 (days, and naming some of them), the reference to the wheeled vehicle, “tired” containing “red”, and at the end of the 5th (stanza, day) – thus the work week, and “retired” (which was also referenced). And these not even the main point of the sentence.

      So, numerous confirmed asides (confirmations not shown here), IN ADDITION TO the intended main point … and this technique is repeated over and over again in the puzzle.
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      “tired”

      RED IT

      h t t p :// youtu.be/EspCzgXH0o0?t=3m18s

      3 2 1 …

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      astree

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    • 🙂 Astree,

      Hint: Tackle repositorys.

      1st step may be anagram…realization
      2nd hinted in mispelling repositories
      3rd figure out what to anagram
      4th “Tackle repositorys” doesn’t yield meaningfel results
      5th the whole line was called a clue…Hint
      6th numerous efforts resulted in a meaningful result

      Knowledge…Dollers…Answers….
      WEEK LONG
      KE “W” G ONE
      Gallatin 1 National Forest

      :)TGC&CS

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      • .
        🙂

        Thank-you, IWGOLF. ( I bet he gave some guidance on that ).

        REDUX
        Research at Duxford (UK)

        I believe you are referring to “A Treasure’s Trove” addt’l clue ?

        Containing the word ‘story” ?

        astree

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      • IWGOLF:
        Astree,

        Hint: Tackle repositorys.

        1st step may be anagram…realization

        Knowledge…Dollers…Answers….
        WEEK LONG
        KE “W” G ONE
        TGC&CS

        “AND TAKE IT IN THE CANYON DOWN”

        “ATTAIN HIDDEN KEY CANT ON OWN”

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        • 🙂 Astree,

          HIDDEN KEY ATTAIN NOW ON CAN T ?
          ATTAIN HIDDEN KEY NOW ON CAN T?
          KEY HIDDEN NOW ON CAN ATTAIN T?
          ATTAIN HIDDEN T KEY NOW ON CAN?
          CAN NOW ATTAIN HIDDEN T ON KEY?

          :)TGC&CS

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  11. NotSoWise:
    I keep hearing ff saying “1000 years” when talking about when it’s found.
    And, there are numerous other things that stand out to me, not only on this website but others. I could list them individually if you’d like, it will just take me some time to do so.
    And, Yes, I know it is a lot of New Testament, hellfire and damnation, and that’s what makes me uncomfortable about this whole thing. The damnation & hellfire is outweighing the whimsy & fun unfortunately.
    Sorry Tomwhat, I’m not a church-goer, but my clue research keeps taking me there! I wish it wouldn’t!
    All I am saying is, how can people ignore the similarities when they become so numerous?

    Maybe it would be better if I just lurked and not posted anymore. I don’t want to upset people, and I don’t like getting the feeling that people are thinking I’m somekind of religious freak.

    NotSoWise:
    Thanks, inthechaseto.
    Appreciate it.
    But I still haven’t heard any people saying they are making the same findings… this worries me. It sure would make me feel better if others were looking into the same theories.

    Notsowise, dont worry about what others think. Dont stop because of what you find, unless you feel you dont want to go on.Give yourself some time off, then look at it with new eyes. Sometimes we just need to give ourselves a break.Go out into nature and enjoy your life.Look around and see the world through a little boy who just loves the outdoors.Thats what Forrest wanted us to do,not be worried by stuff off the internet!

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    • I think if there is a religious tie-in, it’s going to be more subtle than that. Your link is all New Testament, hellfire and damnation, while I find TTotC to be more temporal, introspective and filled with whimsy.

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      • I keep hearing ff saying “1000 years” when talking about when it’s found.
        And, there are numerous other things that stand out to me, not only on this website but others. I could list them individually if you’d like, it will just take me some time to do so.
        And, Yes, I know it is a lot of New Testament, hellfire and damnation, and that’s what makes me uncomfortable about this whole thing. The damnation & hellfire is outweighing the whimsy & fun unfortunately.
        Sorry Tomwhat, I’m not a church-goer, but my clue research keeps taking me there! I wish it wouldn’t!
        All I am saying is, how can people ignore the similarities when they become so numerous?

        Maybe it would be better if I just lurked and not posted anymore. I don’t want to upset people, and I don’t like getting the feeling that people are thinking I’m some kind of religious freak.

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          • We are all different, but the same, in that we have chosen this quest; we choose to exercise our minds, bodies and spirits… Instead of sitting around on our butts.. Watching television.

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          • yes, we all have our own way of going through life. Who’s to say which road is the right road?

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          • Thanks, inthechaseto.
            Appreciate it.
            But I still haven’t heard any people saying they are making the same findings… this worries me. It sure would make me feel better if others were looking into the same theories.

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          • NotSoWise –

            You don’t need someone else to think the way you do. It will probably be the person thinking outside of the box who will claim the prize. If everyone thought like you, they might have found the treasure by now – no one will know for sure, until it is found. So in my opinion all new ideas, even if they are scary, are most welcome.

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        • Ok and one more thing, 1000 years came from an audience member at a Q anA at collected bookworks. That was the first time it was mentioned, to my knowledge. Forrest answered the question using that persons reference number of 1000 years.Its just a number, not of any real meaning.

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        • NotSoWise – Just tell us what you’re talking about – in plain English. We can help you. But I don’t understand exactly what’s upsetting you. My doubts with the Chase are not religious, & I don’t see how 1000 yrs or 10,000 yrs into the future can affect your search. Are you afraid of being cursed? What similarities?

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    • I’ve heard so much about NBC lately, I just want to share. lol My son and I were drivingback from visiting my other son in Denver and just south of Pueblo between there and Walsenburg there was actually an NBC up on the side of the Mtn. written in the snow! LOL I was like ,”Look!, over there, there is actually an NBC on that hill!” LOL
      I told Geoff, OMG! look how far they are going with the false blazes now!” lol

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