Surviving Myself-1

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  1. JC1117:
    Hello, Anna and Logan.

    Not all warm waters halt at 32 degrees.In fact…water doesn’t “have to” freeze until -55 F…

    phys.org/news/2011-11-supercool-doesnt-.html

    …as fun as that may be…:/

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyrB_rLKK1c

    JC1117 – I think your Intell satellite is gazing inside my home again and listening to my recent conversations about ice bergs.

    No one surpasses the beauty God paints in nature…
    www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/pin/58828338859642888/

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  2. Joseph Zablocki:
    He may not even understand himselfyet what a true masterpiece it actually is.

    NOPE Joseph – fenn has been patting himself on the back and grinning like a Cheshire Cat for about 7 years. When he says it may take 1000 years he means it.

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  3. Logan:
    Well it’s been a couple of weeks and I still can’t find where 32 degrees is. My other friend as totally ditched the idea and I still think it holds meaning. Is anybody willing to drop where they think it halts at 32 degrees? There would be nothing I could ever do to thank you enough but I can’t find anything.

    Logan, here are a few general ideas you might consider regarding 32degrees/where warm waters freeze/halt:

    1. 32nd parallel is 32 degrees north and the southern border of New Mexico, a possible large scale/area starting place. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/32nd_parallel_north

    2. Warm waters halt/freeze in the sky at 32 if your altitude is high enough. Fenn was a pilot. So start in the air and then “put in below” or land below using a pilots flight map for a specific landing strip – the airport maps are laid out in brown lines. Each air strip within a state is numbered – perhaps look for airstrip 32.

    3. The word H A L T
    alpha numerically is 8 1 3 2. Perhaps the exact altitude of the treasure or starting place is 8132.

    4. Perhaps Look at land sections numbered 32 in your search area.

    5. 32 degrees is equated with ice. Fenn has a rich history with ice agehistory. Follow the Eastern slope of the Rockies where the last ice age shelf receded. Look in Wyoming where the fenn cache was discovered.

    6. Warm waters halt in a faucet.
    7. Warm waters halt in a basin. (Land form and foot tub)
    8. Warm waters/spirits halt inside a liquor bottle
    9.warm waters halt in uranium and ore waste holding tanks.

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  4. WoodyBogg:
    Joseph– You do have a goodImagination!! Nothing in the treasure box belongs to you ,It is not your propertyunless you hold the title,Did Forrest give you the title?Only one item. ??

    Haha, I do have a good imagination. But I do stay grounded . Not one piece of the treasure belongs to me , this I know. We are all just retrieving it for Mr. Fenn. I just feel one piece of it. And that feeling belongs to me, not the piece. Sorry , I didn’t mean to get anyone going, I was just having fun with it.

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  5. I was just scrolling down and reading the things I missed in this thread from last December ……………

    I also decided – I am going to start giving out some hints to help……..

    There is what I found……….

    “Eric Sloane …. when he got to seventy-nine like me he said it was OK …. always told me he was going to write one more book, title it eighty, and then die”

    The number your looking for is………799……….once you find it – you will be thrilled.

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    • I want to add……..

      If anyone here has the very first edition of Too Far To Walk……look at the ISBN number on the back……it ends in 799. Of course ya all remember him saying there was a hint in that book – if you can find it. PS..it’s only on the very first editions – after that it changes.

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    • There is more then 9 clues in the poem. I know because I know where it is within 10 feet. I solved it in three days.
      I can’t get in…I can’t drive there with my family, I’ve tried multiple ways. I’m still trying to figure out what to do…I can show him and tell him everything he needs to know for proof of location but I can’t figure out how to contact him. Me and my family are not capable of getting in….it really hasn’t been a thrill for me at all. I wish I didn’t actually know the location because it makes it that much worse. I’m debating on who to tell. I might just tell everyone so its over. This has been a trial on my relationship and in the end my family is more important then any treasures.

      My findings:

      #1 once you realize the location it will blow your mind! Truly bold!

      #2 if you find the blaze and you do look down its over…(your quest to cease).

      #3 tarry scant then marvel gaze not just tarry scant. This is most important of all.

      #4 once you realize a few things he hints for you to do when you actually do arrive, you might not like him as much as you do right now.

      #5 mostly everything in the poem has two meanings or more. I know this because I understand all of it.

      #6 he truly has created a masterpiece of a lifetime and when the world see’s they will be as astonished as I was.

      #7
      I’m definitely the first person to discover the true location or more information would have already come forward.

      Thanks, needed to get that off my CHEST

      The First Finder and his true worthy opponent.

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      • Are you willing to explain how to start the poem by finding WWWH because I’ve been trying to get a good solid start for months on end and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.

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          • Hello JC1117,
            Who listens, ColdPlay or God? Just kidding you?

            It’s QUIET TIME here now. So maybe no one is listening. Well, maybe Forrest is watching comments roll on by;-) i hope just good folks are sending him emails these days. There are a few crazy folks that don’t know how to distinguish reality from non-reality, and others looking for financial gain. While Kindness should be the rule of our heart, some folks are best if you don’t engage at all.

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        • Logan, pin up a forest service map which has survey section township numbers 1-36. Warm waters halt when they freeze which occurs at 32 degrees. In your search area find a section 32 which matches geographically with the map. WWHalt at T in the poem.

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      • I have a connection with it somehow. Something in it belongs to me and now I know where it is. That’s why I need to get it. One item is has always been my property and now I know where it is finally.

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        • Joseph– You do have a good Imagination!! Nothing in the treasure box belongs to you ,It is not your property unless you hold the title, Did Forrest give you the title? Only one item. ??

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      • I wish I had one more clue to the end of this riddle. I’m confident I have the correct area and know what’s important to look at, but I was wrong with the ending. I thought I could close the book on this but I’m here and finally frustrated. My only day and then back 2000 miles back home and I don’t know if I can come back. Maybe one day. So close. I never thought a poem could direct me to even this point. Clever. Great experience.

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  6. inthechaseto:
    Wolf –

    In Dec my husband died– it really put a sudden stop to my searching. I am just now getting back into the swing of things, having moved to Texas near family – which is a good thing.

    Glad to hear you are near family! I wondered where you would be. Lost your email address.

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  7. bob:
    wolf- I agree E did not equal F. after meeting Forrest in person. Forrest is an old man, slow, feeble, he seems tired all the time. and his poor hearing is a nusiance to himself and others. nobody likes to be yelled at. and,nobody likes to yell all the time. Of the times we’ve seen FF on TV interviews he seems younger that he really is but thats just trick photagraphy. Dal told me a long time ago to take it easy on the old man because he’s old. I should have listened back then. Our E asterisk must be a vibrant middle aged near-genius. certanly not FF.

    Oh Bob , thinking like that won’t get you a treasure chest. Darlin, the body can be weak but the mind is another matter.

    Hey Into could you email me please ?

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  8. Hyde Park
    Friday June 3 2016
    Fennboree

    I’m exhausted from flying, driving all day just 7 miles from stardom. The winding road to Hyde Park is up, up, up. I’m already feeling the effects of altitude sickness at santa fe. Now at 8,000 feet its really bad. I remember to take aspirin and drink water and gatorade. At the Fennboree campsite the only person I recognize is Dal. as in neitzel. Oh boy, im in trouble. I did not see one rabbit on the way here. I’ve used Dal, shall I say….less-than-eloquently in many of my whacky TTOTC stories.

    so, here goes- “hey Dal!”
    I extend my hand to shake…I dont remember much after that.
    This is Dal’s arena, I’m on my own.
    He scolded me for being “very bold” at the museum.
    I replied…” Isn’t that what this is all about?”
    I wanted to say that Forrest was looking for a few Indiana Jones types but the words i needed were still in Florida. I couldn’t find them.
    and arguing with Dal wasn’t in my plans.
    I just walked away.
    I found a place to sit down on the side of the mountain, a couple of bottles of water and aspirin later, no one noticed it was nursing a slight nosebleed.
    I have to make smalltalk with Chasechat bloggers. i dont know any of them.
    whats worse is no one from Mike’s blog is here. I really wanted to meet VG Boss, Intechaseto, Wolf, and the rest. Cynthia told me she offered to give Azuredeb a ride but she declined.
    I’m on my own here. UH-Oh here comes Forrest. yeah, Fenn.
    after a resounding chorus of ” For He’s A Jolly Good Fellow” I wait my turn to greet the man of the hour. I pray to the trees, rocks and sky for strength. I did exactly what I told Forrest I was going to do in an email back in march. When we met for the first time, I was going to say…”look what you dug up!”
    meaning me. I showed him the Skippy peanut butter jar and the geocache I found at Rescue Creeek. I said…”did you leave these in Yellowstone?”
    he said…” I dont know what those are”
    And that was it. He turned to greet the next searcher. I was devastated, all my effort of writing on blogs was for naught. I sat back down on the side of the mountain to regain my strength. I watched as everyone else greeted Forrest with nothing in hand. I left Fennboree to go bare hunting. my arena.

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    • I’m sorry I wasn’t able to make it to Fennboree. I “had to” attend my niece’s wedding on June 3rd.

      The whole time I was wondering what was happening at Fennboree. All I could do was imagine.

      You and I could have sat on the mountainside together, Bob. I would have liked that.

      I could have even worn my dingo boots…so that others in attendance would be asking themselves…

      “Who are these two rugged, leathery adventurers with the cool-looking boots? Maybe they’re the Indiana Jones types that Forrest is looking for. It seems the only thing they’re missing is spurs on their boots…that jingle and clunk when they walk”.

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=okiMnLyCMbA

      It doesn’t sound like you and Dal are getting along…but maybe one day we could get Forrest to join us for a re-enactment of the above scene.

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    • Ah Bob, I am sorry I wasn’t there to meet you and introduce you to a couple of the people I knew. You did meet one who posts here , even if you didn’t know it. LOL No I can’t tell you who but it’s a given that he knows you.

      You looked so spiffy in those clothes Bob. How tall are You? I am guessing at least 6ft 4 ?

      Did you meet Nobody and Boomergirl? They are good people, make you laugh if you want to or not.

      If there is another I will come for sure . I will get busy making an ice vest so I can tolerate the heat. When I get too hot, I can’t walk Bob. Sometimes stuff is beyond our control, ya know? So that’s why I wasn’t there. I am glad you got to go.

      By the way, I love your writings.

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      • hi Deb, yes very good guess i’m about 6-4 in the boots. and yes I met Nobody and boomer. in fact boomer said she went to santa fe looking for a map of the US but couldn’t find one. so i found a pizza box empty, opened it up and hand drew a map. she helped and everyone placed a dot on the map where they were from. someone said i would win the long distance travel award but i told them i really don’t care about that.
        i’m writing about Fennboree to give everyone here at Mikes a behind the scenes look.

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    • Bob,
      You really make me laugh, I love the way you write. I enjoyed your Dal encounter, he is a very suborn Jarhead. I heard Goofy was too scared to go because of all the Chasechat folks were going to pound him out, I personally think his mom wouldn’t let him go.

      It is too bad I did not attend, you would have been a blast to talk to. You should enter the photo contest, I bet you can win one of those posters offered for prizes. I love the “me in middle” poster – “proof 1 of 2” which begs the question where is “proof 2 of 2”?

      Thank you so much for updating us on Fennboree. BTW, where is E asterisk ? I hope she doesn’t think she is banned since the blog won’t post with asterisk.

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      • Hi Wolf –

        How’s school going? So nice to see you here.
        I truly wish we could all meet someday. A few of us here – always thought that E asterisk- was FF………. go figure.

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        • lol E=F ha that is pretty good. I will be on the look out if a G shows up around here!

          School is going really well, I am researching this summer but it is quite time consuming. Once in a while I can read the blogs for entertainment, but not much time to post anymore.

          How is your searching going?

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          • Wolf –

            In Dec my husband died – it really put a sudden stop to my searching. I am just now getting back into the swing of things, having moved to Texas near family – which is a good thing.

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          • Inthechaseto, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. That must be very difficult to deal with, you are strong and you have family near you and I am sure you will come out of this stronger. God bless!

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          • wolf- I agree E did not equal F. after meeting Forrest in person. Forrest is an old man, slow, feeble, he seems tired all the time. and his poor hearing is a nusiance to himself and others. nobody likes to be yelled at. and, nobody likes to yell all the time. Of the times we’ve seen FF on TV interviews he seems younger that he really is but thats just trick photagraphy. Dal told me a long time ago to take it easy on the old man because he’s old. I should have listened back then. Our E asterisk must be a vibrant middle aged near-genius. certanly not FF.

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          • Thanks Wolf –

            I thought “E” was near genius too…..

            Well, we could ask Mike if “E” was blocked for some reason. He might have more info…

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  9. I wanted to comment on the two photographs in this chapter. Page 39 one is of Skippy mounted on the horse Silver and the other is of June mounted on Silver with Skippy and Forrest standing by. The captions read…”Skippy & Silver” and “June & Silver”. To me, that’s wrong and possibly a clue. The captions should read…”Skippy ON Silver” and “June ON Silver” here’s my reasoning….in the photo of June on Silver with Skippy and Forrest standing alongside there is no mention of them in the caption. It’s as if they don’t even appear in the photo. Now if June was alone on Silver, like the photo of Skippy, then the caption would make sense. But since Skippy and Forrest are in that photo, but no mention of them is made, then that fact causes me to think that the captions are facts written wrong and a clue. And the clue is this….when the word and (&) is written in the poem, it should be replaced with the word ON. In these two photos, the correct word for the captions would be ON, not &.
    I have to say here though, aren’t all the photos of June adorable? Her facial expressions eminate joy and pure happiness. The safety and security she had in two older brothers justs radiates from her face. Texas in the 1930’s.

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  10. And Bur, here’s another connection to Buffalo Bill Cody in this chapter. Forrest writes about his Daisy BB gun. He shot meadowlarks and scissor tails to feed his family. More facts written wrong! There is no meat on a scissor tail. And very little on a meadowlark. What he is referring to here, is Buffalo Bill and his Springfield rifle he named Lucreita Borgia which he used to shoot buffalo to feed the crew building the railroad.
    I still have my Daisy model 96 BB gun. I shot plenty of robins they do not see the bb coming and duck. But again there is no meat on a Robin.
    If Forrest intended to feed his family with a BB gun, he would have shot dove or pidgeons or rabbits. Maybe he did but to write about meadowlarks and scissor tail is not for food but fun, and part of the puzzle. I grew up in Kansas where the meadowlark is the state bird. All members of the lark family of birds are not edible. They are not worth your time or effort to hunt and clean for food. But pop the breast out of a dove or quail and you’ve got some good eating there!

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    • Smoked quail, my favorite. Try shooting my quail that live in my yard and see what a mama grizzly really is. 🙂

      I tried smoked quail at the Texas Land and Cattle Co.
      No I did not kill my own quail. LOL

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      • My Dad used to go quail hunting – and I can tell you he didn’t do it with his Daisy Rifle. There is a scissortail at the end of my road – and a larky meadow along the way. 🙂

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  11. Okay maybe this is a bit of trivia but another fined: Forrest horse “Silver” is from the book The Lone Ranger by Zane Grey, and the book Helen Cody Wetmore (Cody’s sister) wrote in 1918 Last of The Great Scouts she was helped to compose it by Zane Grey. Bur

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  12. Hey guys, I wanted to say something about this past couple of weeks. I believe that there are reasons that will become apparent later on when the poem is solved that people will finally say ,OH that’s what that was about !

    I don’t believe Forrest helps anyone .I do believe that he may be interacting with us to see who is bright enough to pick up on it. He wrote a book that most on the chase have ignored, haven’t bothered looking deeper into. The book tells you where to start. Until you know where to start you will never find it.

    Hey everyone, there is a treasure out there to find. Who wants to get past all this and get back to it ? Crack your books open and find the blaze. Its there. 🙂 I have hinted in the past, and nobody listened. He gives us everything we need to find it.

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    • Well said Deb –

      If you don’t know where to start – guaranteed you will never find it – cuz the end is harder than the beginning. I have totally revamped what I was doing. Not to throw the start point out – that has never changed. It’s so simple and right in your face – just like you said. I spent too much time on useless things – but I guess one does not know that until the end – when you see Forrest’s glowing sense of humor come thru.

      We are currently in Aztec, New Mexico – to regroup and let me be on the computer for awhile. Nice to be back here.

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      • Good to hear from you again Into. I miss you. All this anger and accusations, bad for the heart. One good thing out of it. I am thinking a lot more about the solve . 🙂 Made me mad enough to force me to want to get busy and get this over with so people stop showing their rear ends .

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        • Hi Deb –

          Since I just checked in a few hours ago – not sure what made you mad. If it motivates you – you go get it girl. I need a rest. I am tired – and the least motivated I have ever been. If I can help – let me know.

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  13. page 40

    “But the second the minute hand touched 8:00 ..”

    Forrest says in the book and has stated a couple times his belief in a higher hand

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  14. Halogetter: Red, black, green tree is the beautiful Ponderosa pine, with cinnamon red bark with deep black crevaces, and green needles. They are noted for these colors.

    I wonder what this tree would smell like? Hmmmm.

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  15. Chris Yates:
    the red black and green of pine trees, thats good

    sounds like more clues to pine trees being in the vicinity of the chest

    Its a forest, kind of a given there will be pine trees. lol
    Only a few million to look at! 🙂

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  16. Mike:
    Ok, it’s just a tree, afterall:

    In Preface, hair=bark
    In Surviving Myself, taste=smell

    What tree is it?

    Mike

    ok im not sure yet, but youve given me enough don’t say anymore please

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    • “well, I’m almost eighty and i think that’s so funny … I could have just said i’m seventy-nine so I could be a year younger, but I don’t care anyway”

      “Eric Sloane …. when he got to seventy-nine like me he said it was OK …. always told me he was going to write one more book, title it eighty, and then die”

      “indecision is the key to flexibilty and that’s why I waited so long to secret my cache”

      “George Burns was 100 years old when someone asked him …. He replied my health’s good it’s my age that’s killing me”

      “like Eric Sloane at age almost eighty I figured it was time to act.”

      these are the hints in the book i was talking about before. understand what he is referring to here and it can be used to establish a position of latitude

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  17. Mike:
    Ok, it’s just a tree, afterall:

    In Preface, hair=bark
    In Surviving Myself, taste=smell

    What tree is it?

    Mike

    🙂
    bark smell and taste hair, IMO is tree rotten.lol

    Any future clue to help with who your brother is?

    You and Chris must be done with your book transcriptions.

    🙂
    TGC&CS

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    • ,
      You are quite the fun guy, IWGOLF 🙂

      ( the Level 4 yielded in spades, need a little “brush-up” there. Forrest is so over the top, I’ve never seen anything like it).

      Good Luck and Merry Christmas,
      astree

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      • 🙂 Astree,

        Very rarely, ( humor doesn’t come out often & badly displayed at such times )
        I need to apoligize to Mike for purposely mixing links on tree.
        Thanks Astree :).
        I wish you the very best Holiday Season.

        To all Trovers, fenners, chasers…
        Happy Holidays & a Great New Year

        🙂
        The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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  18. I believe there are two stories in TTOTC that hint at what type of tree the treasure is hidden by. They are found in the Preface and “Surviving Myself”.

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    • Mike- “look quickly down” could be construed as a traditional Japanese greeting… A bow (short o ) spelled different same pronunciation …. Bough, a tree limb.

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    • Ah, but what about the tree in the Blessed Freedom chapter?

      (And the ashes were not put on top of the mountain.)

      And isn’t it more correct to say beside a tree rather than behind it?

      Halogetter

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      • Halogetter:
        Ah, but what about the tree in the Blessed Freedom chapter?

        (And the ashes were not put on top of the mountain.)

        And isn’t it more correct to say beside a tree rather than behind it?

        Halogetter

        “Ah, but what about the tree in the Blessed Freedom chapter”
        I dunno, what about it?

        “(And the ashes were not put on top of the mountain.)”
        Does this have something to do with a hint at a type of tree?

        “And isn’t it more correct to say beside a tree rather than behind it?”
        Lets say for the sake of argument it is more correct to say ‘beside a tree’ … so therefore…. ?

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        • Red, black, green tea.
          Red, black, green tree.

          Red, black, green tree is the beautiful Ponderosa pine, with cinnamon red bark with deep black crevaces, and green needles. They are noted for these colors.

          Put your hand on the bark, like a red-scaled, land-dwelling beast. Their range is great, but it’s also the state tree of the Treasure State, which has the bison skull on its quarter.

          What Forrest said about the treasure not being on top of a mountain, but maybe near, echoes the language about Olga’s ashes, near the top, the red, black, green chapter…

          Trees don’t really have front, back, and sides, and therefore “behind”, except as created by our own vantage point.

          SYand 42lbsHeavier

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          • the red black and green of pine trees, thats good

            sounds like more clues to pine trees being in the vicinity of the chest

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          • Isnt it interesting how each persons thoughts on any one subject can be so similar but distinctively different from the next ?

            Red, green, and black for one become the description of a species of tree. For another it becomes descriptive of a group of people with a shared heritage.

            Is this the message of the chase? That all things are viewed from each persons perspective? That the importance of what we believe is bound to be forgotten once we all are gone? His message enforced by our quest?

            Just me voicing some of the thoughts going through all our minds. Im not giving up.

            Daylight is burning. Have a good day everyone! Be kind to one another.

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  19. :),

    Below is a link to “Your Hit Parade”.
    TTOTC page 40.
    Wiki article talks about the show having anywhere from 7 – “15” songs.
    2ndly “Secret” method of choosing the top songs.
    3rdly Rare Collectible illustrated on this page.
    4thly Lucky Strike was a sponsor.
    5thly NBC & CBS networks the show appeared on.
    6thly refers to New York police show.

    TTOTC says 10 song countdown, yet different formats.
    TTOTC Radio connects to caps.

    Maybe others will find this interesting / amusing.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Hit_Parade

    TGC&CS

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  20. Meme:
    I’m forrest fenn? yeah. then why would I say what that the solutions is a numbers thing? wrong numbers by the way. Look back at last week or week before that and you will find solution. I should not say that so you dont get there before me.

    so did you take some numbers mentioned in this blog and you put them together all the way down to the exact seconds of lon and lat?

    or did you use some numbers and it brought you to a general area that you think is the right area, then you plan on using the poem the rest of the way perhaps to navigate from there to the chest?

    and it looks like you are saying to Jack that the numbers he mentioned

    4, 9, 13, 15, 23, 24, 33, 44

    are the wrong numbers right

    and you say go back a week or 2 to find the solution, but there are so many posts talking about numbers, who knows why you decided to key in on something in particular , apparently you saw something about it, but no one would ever know what and no one could look back and just figure out whatever it was you decided was it.

    i am sure your conclusion is safe

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    • There have been so many numbers mentioned in this blog it becomes confusing . If you can pick out the good ones or the right ones your way better than I All I can say is good luck. You better hurry its getting even colder and all of us will have to wait untill next year. I’LL make a perdiction None of you will find it this year if ever So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    • I wish I hadn’t said anything and feel bad about it. I am surprised ideas are given so freely here if the people giving them want to find it themselves. I was surprised by that. I’m not being ugly that I would not share with the person who gave me the key. My reason is that I dont want anyone to know so its not taken away. Those are not the numbers. I dont want to say any more and I am sorry again that I upset people. I dont want to give the solution away till I have had a chance to go.

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      • Finding the numbers is one thing. Interpreting them correctly is another. Some are page numbers containing clues, some are symbolic of something else, some are related to the structure and content of he poem, some may be coordinates or parts of coordinates, some may be the solution to a cipher, some have multiple meanings. And some may be red herrings. So whatever numbers you chose, using them correctly is the key. Good luck!

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  21. It’s interesting how the thread for Surviving Myself can take so many other twists and turns. My long hot dog post was triggered by all the talk of rainbows, but it would be more at home in the Gold and More thread. How rude.

    But I think that the most interesting aspect of Surviving Myself are the number of different themes interwoven, rather than one or two hooks that some of the other chapters have. This chapter speaks of cold mornings, running what’s close to a full farm life on a tiny plot of land on N. Main St., butchering chickens, shooting meadowlarks but not robins, imaginary desserts, radio shows, getting paddled, turning Alpha, having principle enough to abandon logic, a Daisy Air Rifle (why all the capitals?), dark-with-no-moon cemetary like the drawing shows, and so forth. Lots of family vignettes, and a good peek into their lives. But one thing that stands out is this Fenn-oddity:

    “We were a close family, and everyone but mom and dad pitched in with doing the dishes. And my brother Skippy, of course. He always had some urgent calling elsewhere.”

    Harmless, right? What an overwrought way to say that Forrest and June did the dishes together! The whole family except Dad and Mom and Skippy. This language echoes his elaborate description of how Rye was all about Forrest, except for virtually everything.

    I like this overcooked effort, considering that June on the surface does not carry a very large role in the book. And just to the left is a great portrait of Forrest and June. There are some other curious things about June and some interesting thoughts to go with her, that might be worth looking at.

    SYand42lbsHeavier,
    Halogetter

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      • Yes for I have promised a young person to bring home the butter.

        And the most shocking thing about finding it, other than finding it, will be realizing on that spot just how tiny and dense this chest is. We all know the dimensions, but to hold that tiny ancient bronze piece is a marvel.

        I’m not sure why that came up…

        SY,
        Halogetter

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  22. Meme:
    Inchase I said it could be wrong. I have searched for two years now. I am only saying thanks for the ideas you guys gave me that made it click. It sounds like we might have the same place. Maybe you got the same intel as me or it was you who said what I needed. I do not know. I do just want to say thank you. That is my only point that I could not have come up with this very smart solution.

    FYI –

    My solution has never been posted here. Not even close.

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  23. I want to expand on my post below. The reply box is getting too narrow so I starting at the top. The photo is here again for reference. I took the photo standing under the blaze which is in a MEadow of Colorado wild rye (leymus ambiguus which is an appropriate name). Remember that Catcher in the Rye was thrown on top of Time magazine.
    There is a connecting theme that is set in the first line of the poem. “I have gone alone in there” – me, myself and I. “My secret”, “my treasure”, ” my rainbow”, “my fire”, “my awareness took its first few steps”. There are 9 capital I’s in the poem (the 9th letter), 9 clues, 9 sentences, 9 direction words, etc.
    Some of the most clue-laden chapters in the MEmoir: Surviving Myself, Me in the Middle, My Spanish Toy Factory, and My War for Me. (Is that you, Forrest using the screen name “meme”? LOL)
    Now the photo- if you look quickly down, you see your feet and your shadow in the dirt. “To the Caliph I am dirt, but to the dirt I am the Caliph.” A Caliph is a ruler. A ruler measures feet, yards (steps), or MEters. Feet are used to take steps. A shadow can be used to measure time, longitude and latitude. The middle of my rainbow is the shadow of my head. (see inthechaseto’s link below

    10 things you didn’t know about rainbows
    www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/facts-about-rainbows.html

    Me in the Middle, looking up but not allowed to look down. My rainbow is and arc. An arc is part of a circle. Page 33 – circles, Pi – Pie, Pineapple Pie, 2 Pie, Two intersecting straight lines, First and French, Me in the Middle of the marble circle drawing. The end is ever DRAWING nigh. It’s all about me!
    Key numbers: 4, 9, 13, 15, 23, 24, 33, 44. Key letters, w, m (or 33 rotated),
    and I.
    Lots of dots to connect, but I guarantee they do connect.

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    • I’m forrest fenn? yeah. then why would I say what that the solutions is a numbers thing? wrong numbers by the way. Look back at last week or week before that and you will find solution. I should not say that so you dont get there before me.

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      • I did not understand your responce to Chris = about what state you are looking in. There is no reason I can see that it would give anything away.

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  24. Meme:
    Why would you keep peoples names? I dont. I dont even know who it was who said the solution. I might look it up now that you say that. I wont contact them. I dont want any title issues with them or they know they had the right answer. I know I dont have it so cant say certain but this clicks and the whole thing makes sense now. I was surprised they gave such intel to strangers but Im glad.

    Why would I ? If you have to ask its beyond your comprehension. Greed really is ugly, Meme.

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    • I just dont want to lose title to it if I contact the people. I dont comprehend what your saying I need to contact them for. That makes me ugly? I was saying thank you in general to this site for giving ideas out. If money is expected instead of thanks then who is greedy? I thought this site was to help someone find it.

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      • This is a site to help people.

        Your posted came off as bragging that you took information and wanted everyone to know it in case you find it.

        Why even mention it unless that box is in your hands?

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        • I’m sorry deb I came off that way to you. I’m excited that it clicked and just wanted to say thank you for the intel. Im surprised its given out. I didnt feel I was the smart one. I felt the people here giving intel I got are. So not bragging. It is just excitment for this to click. I see why he said 10000 years it could be there just like inchase said. I will lay low for while now as upsetting wasnt my idea.

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          • No Meme, thats not necessary to lay low. It was a simple misunderstanding. The problem with online stuff is there is no tonal inflection to give anyone an idea of what the real intent of words are.

            Now we all understand one another, thats a good thing!
            Good luck on your search.

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          • Meme –

            If indeed you ever find the TC you can keep it all for yourself that is your choice.

            In the past here, we have had some very fun threads on what to do if we found it.

            VG and I have parties planned. With gold going to select people.

            What would you do if you found it?

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  25. Meme:
    Will the reader who will take all these answers and put them together share the gold with any of the chasers. Guess’n not.

    What if they already knew where it was before any of this was ever posted? We have no idea what anyone else knows or how they use it.

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  26. : Meme on September 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm said:

    Will the reader who will take all these answers and put them together share the gold with any of the chasers. Guess’n not.

    ya know Meme,
    ff said that the most likely person to find it he thought, would be some Redneck with 12 kids and a run down pickup to throw a bedroll into lt; my poetic license lol… anyway most real rednecks I've met, would give you the shirt off their back… lol for a beer… LOL nawwww, they are kind and generous not the perfect Hollywood stereotype of some fanatical backwoods henchman. 🙂 anywho, I'm guessin and hopin that the person who actually is blessed with the insight and know how to find this darn thing after 3 years of hunting isn't the could care less greedy slob no good for a human cold- hearted son of a gun type!! 🙂 just my own opinion, taken with salt it'll cure the sore in your mouth!! LMBO!!!

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    • I’m not trying to be rude. I’m just say’n that I found information here that will take me to my solution. It was given free. Sorry if you told me how to get there if it is. I dont think I’m needing to give to the site if its there. dont think others would ask for addys to do that. Maybe not there.

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        • None of us really know anything until we actually have the box in our hands.Its all just theories until then.

          Do you keep a list of peoples names who have given you information that have helped you in some way? I do, but unless I actually find it, its useless.

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          • Why would you keep peoples names? I dont. I dont even know who it was who said the solution. I might look it up now that you say that. I wont contact them. I dont want any title issues with them or they know they had the right answer. I know I dont have it so cant say certain but this clicks and the whole thing makes sense now. I was surprised they gave such intel to strangers but Im glad.

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  27. Meme:
    Will the reader who will take all these answers and put them together share the gold with any of the chasers. Guess’n not.

    How much do you think would be fair?

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      • hi meme,

        page 103 TTOTC,

        2nd paragraph,

        realization…

        “If I cannot enrich those with whom I interact each day and cause them to be better for my having passed their view, then I have wasted my turn.”.. “For if the try is sincere I have succeeded in whatever failure resulted.”

        The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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          • Meme that one bit of information will not find anything. Most people have been researching well over a year, and its going to take a whole ball of clues tied together to find the treasure.

            Take what you want and give what you want.

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          • I have searched since august of 2011 when I saw the story on KOB. not new to searching. I dont know how you can say I wont find it. I know why you would hope and assume it I guess. This clicked like nothing else and I thank you guys for giving your ideas to me. I just wanted to say that I couldnt have figued it out without them.

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          • It would be too easy to search state in your site. So I dont want to give state. I will say it has to do with numbers. I shouldnt have said anything till I got it. I just wanted to say thanks for giving ideas to me.

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          • Meme –

            Deb is right –

            We have all seen people come and go here on this blog. Those who thought they were so smart and had it all figured it out – and then they went on their hunt – many of those – are now gone from the chase. In no way do I want that to happen to me.

            If it is the spot I am thinking of – no one will find it, so I could tell you the exact place and you still would not find it.

            It makes me happy to have a positive attitude and share to keep this chase fun for all.

            If the treasure is ever found – people will come out of the woodwork to post that they indeed knew all along where it was. They will all want their five minutes of fame. It’s how a lot of people are. It’s sad, but true.

            Once I witnessed a horrific accident, stopped and helped the hurt person on the side of the road for about 35 mins. until help arrived. Afterward, a lady came up to me and told me all about how she helped the man. I stood there in amazement at the made up story and learned a valuable lesson about people that day.

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          • Inchase I said it could be wrong. I have searched for two years now. I am only saying thanks for the ideas you guys gave me that made it click. It sounds like we might have the same place. Maybe you got the same intel as me or it was you who said what I needed. I do not know. I do just want to say thank you. That is my only point that I could not have come up with this very smart solution.

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      • someone may already have 🙂 lol hey, I took a drive down to Cerrillos and Madrid area yesterday afternoon. I passed a set of rocks that actually looked like bookends. lol I said to myself , maybe i should turn around and go see if there is a clue on the ‘bookends’ lol.
        I also almost ran over 2 big hairy black tarantulas crossing the road, I did not even know they were indigenous to this area, go figure. 🙂
        And I saw an old retro style chrome and yellow dining table and chairs….jus sittin…. right out in the middle of nowhere under a black coal tailings pile. I was like, ‘okay, gonna be chewin on coal for dinner?” lol Well maybe if we let them sit for long enuf they’d become diamonds 🙂 lol
        Then I so happened to pull off at a scenic stop to eat my sesame chicken that I had stopped to pick up before hand and right there on a tree was a plaque. It had a biplane and it said… RIP… MLB’s Flight School then the guy in the biplane sticking out of it and the words… flight training school… lessons $10 an hour. lol lots of pretty rock formations through there.. if u ever………

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        • Kim, when I was a small child I saw a mass migration of hundreds of tarantulas crossing the road in my search area. It was awesome!

          Funny all those years and here I am back there looking for another kind of treasure. 🙂

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  28. Chris Yates:
    miss ford = 4 d

    4 d = 4 4 (d)

    mike, you know how much i have harped on 44 beinga key number, why didnt you bring this up before

    you’re holding back i know it

    You didnt expect him to give it all away did you? Sometimes its really hard to not jump in, huh Mike? lol

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  29. Mike:
    The minute hand on the 8 represents 40 minutes.If someone is looking for GPS coordinates for minutes this might be something to consider, especially with the numerous references to Ms. “Ford” (4d), who I would bet is fictional.

    Yep Mike, my fictional theory must be contagious. lol

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  30. Much talk in this thread about that rainbow, so I thought I would post this.

    Forrest writes: “So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.”

    That introductory sentence to the poem is loaded like a Chicago hot dog.

    First Forrest begins “So I wrote a poem”. As per the previous sentence to this phrase ( “at age almost-eighty” ), he’s saying that he wrote the poem when he was 79 ( although elsewhere there are accounts that he worked on the poem since he got cancer and had the idea to hide the chest. )

    Forrest wrote the book at that time and said “I see my memoir as being a story that was ordained by some unknown hand” and that “The bulk of the book was written in six weeks and phrases that I had never thought of before, suddenly appeared on my computer screen.” It wrote itself. His statement hints at the level of entanglement of the book, and perhaps a clue to the many odd phrases that apparently surprised even Forrest as they “suddenly appeared”. This may also be a contributing cause to reader confusion in parsing every single word. But I digress. Back to the introductory sentence.

    And then Forrest states clearly that he wrote “a poem containing nine clues”. That’s nine (9) clues, and not a number other than 9; not 137. And 9 appears in so many guises in the Chase; 9 clues, 9 sentences, 9 dropped letters, 9 capital I’s, arrowhead at 9, 9th book, 9 years, and so on with all of the other nines. Cue The Beatles Revolution 9.

    Then Forrest says “if followed precisely”. That tells you precision is important, especially with clues that don’t upon first read appear to be precise. It is the clue solutions that need to be correct and followed precisely.

    Then Forrest says that if the clues are followed precisely they “will lead to”. “Lead to” does not mean show you, or reveal to, or give you, etc., it means lead to, like an actual or virtual pathway, map, or directions that lead to, or some variation thereof. The clues will lead you there.

    Then he says lead to “the end of my rainbow”. Not to my rainbow, but “the end of” my rainbow. And not to “the” rainbow, or “a” rainbow, or “this” or “that” rainbow, but to the end of “my” rainbow. He’s talking about the END. HIS rainbow.

    In the poem Forrest also writes that “The end is ever drawing nigh;”. If his rainbow has an end ( which we’ve established the clues “lead to” ) then perhaps the rainbow end is ever drawing nigh.

    Or, if I must state it fully: “The end of my rainbow is ever drawing nigh;”

    Then, back to further analysis of the introductory sentence, Forrest says “end of my rainbow and the treasure.” He uses the conjunction “and” there, as if the clues lead you to TWO things; 1) His rainbow end, and 2) the treasure.

    Are his rainbow end and the treasure one in the same, or two separate entities?

    Just a deconstruction of the snappin’ dog, the bun, dayglo relish, chopped onions, mustard, tomatoes and celery salt.

    We can discuss the merits of possible hints or clues throughout the book ad infinitum, yet this introductory sentence is forever linked directly with the poem. As are the provocative and somewhat disparate sentences 5 in the paragraph that follows the Poem- “subtle clues”, “one of them is dead”, etc.
    And why Captain Kidd?

    foRRest feNN
    wiLLiam kiDD

    Strange how that works…Yo ho.

    SYand42lbsHeavier,
    Halogetter

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    • somewhere the applause of many can be heard

      so many astute points, i cant even respond right now, maybe later

      if someone has found a blog where you will read a post like this, let me know, because i have never found it

      its kinda crazy halogetter, because, some of your other posts, i think some of the things you say are so off, but then i realize why

      its because you havent found the place yet. but when you do, the heavens will be opened my friend

      heres hoping i find the chest long before then …..

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      • Chris-
        Thanks for the kind accolades.
        That post is out of my Chase journal and there’s more to it that I just couldn’t put up there. But even with that post, I could hardly pull the trigger. I’ve nixed a number of them.

        My posts are deliberate, even if they might appear “off” to others. There’s a need to speak around something sometimes. Not a stratagem really, but hinting at something beyond. We’re offering ideas and probing for more.

        But, you say you don’t believe that I might have found the place yet? Au, contraire. I enjoyed analyzing and commenting on your map, but I’m in a different place.

        I’ll look forward to any response that you have, as you said.

        SYand42lbsHeavier,
        Halogetter

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    • Halogetter –

      BRAVO !!!

      Thank you for your very astute incite.

      To me – a rainbow is one of the most beautiful, rare, wonderous things one can see in this grand world.

      The rainbow always has a beginning and an end. The alpha and the omega. It’s only visable certain times of the day – and in certain conditions. It represents – when raining (the bad times in your life) there is always a ray of hope. Rainbows make me feel good.

      So there is a arc (ark) in the rainbow – which will lead us to it’s end. The question here is – where oh where is the beginning.

      Forrest Fenn is brilliant – because he knew if you place something in plain sight – most people will ignore it because they are digging deep for clues – but no one said you have to dig. He placed every clue in plain sight – which makes me think – that when I get there – the treasure will be in plain sight too.

      I think Mr Fenn is a very fair person.

      He has lead us by telling us many things – which have been fair. He has said – I am telling you it is difficult but not impossible – I never said it was buried.

      He created “The Thrill of The Chase” . What he is doing is not easy. Many of us appreciate it, I know I do.

      What happens when you “chase” a rainbow? It moves. What happens when you chase “his” rainbow – ? Even if – I think I know many things about this hunt, it is not over for me. Some kind of illusion will be used in the end – in plain sight and this is the reason I am not finished with my hunt.

      Somewhere over the rainbow
      there is a treasure
      and somewhere at the end.

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      • hi inthe chase2,

        in the Random house dictionary,

        secrete#2 definition:
        “to place out of sight; hide: conceal.”

        my opinion it is not in plain sight.
        2ndly, in an interview ff does utter the the words I didn’t want to bury it and not know where I was…. talking about a private special place.

        politely disagree.

        The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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          • hi meme,

            The info i was talking about occur’s at the 7:35

            HDnet story by Jennifer London

            video interview
            at theThrill resources page at the oldSantaFetradingco
            ff website

            @7:49
            he states “I couldn’t just take it out and bury in the ground some place and not know where i was”

            bury given as a clue but not 1 of poem 9.

            The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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    • hi Halo,

      Interesting post.

      nice Take on the 9’s,
      Oswald Rusfell’s 9 years in the Rocky Mountains residency and Sir T. Brown is another along with that highway hole.
      yes Russell’s name has a “F” instead of a “S”, old time spelling.

      On your point about “his rainbow end” “the treasure”
      Epilogue page 147.
      Forrest Fenn
      Epitaph
      Arc
      Rainbow
      3 capital I’s
      Attributes

      “meet with me at the great banquet Table of history” T is shown as a lower case letter in real quote.

      2 separate entities 1 leads 2 the latter, my opinion at the moment….
      based on Z in the table moving left in each successive key row down
      …as the end is ever drawing nigh.

      Side note Blaise -De- Vigenere is “Missattributed” in the 19th century to this table code system, Giovanni BELLaso. funny place to find a bell.

      forresT fenn
      capTain kidd

      The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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      • and your talk of a table…..”“meet with me at the great banquet Table of history” T is shown as a lower case letter in real quote.”
        makes me think of a Table of Contents or it says the table of History and what is the table of history but a Bibliography showing where the table of contents stuff came from, a Bible- ography and where is it…in the back of the Bible or end and what is usually found there, the Book of Maps!! lol
        wait… I’m not done!!
        The Bell is usually rung for BEFORE for Dinner the chuck wagon cookie servin up the grub and it’s ready so he rings the triangle or cow bell for all the hands to come runnin’ to TOUCH their dinner lol or it rings like Forest says LAST for the Frenchman and ring his bell so he’ll know you’re thinkin of ’em. But the actual start of a bell being rung for any graveside was not for remembrance but just in case they actually buried someone alive the bell would ring and they could quickly try to dig them up! lol 🙂 Oh my! Lions and tigers and bears!! 🙂

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  31. Chaser: The book is the canonical source of “the poem”, but it is not titled.I don’t care about a poem title, because there is no title to the poem in the book.

    I stand corrected. There is no title to the poem in the book. Thank you sir, for showing me my error. My apologies to all. I guess I’ve been reading from my printed copy for too long and need to check my sources again before posting.

    Mr. Fenn got me with this one. I need to rethink my solution’s reasoning.

    jdh

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        • Great thread! All the chasers above are honing in on it. It all ties together, “my rainbow”, shadow, time, longitude, latitude, the circle drawing on page 33, pi (pies and 2 pies),the axman , the number 23.
          Here is an interesting photo from my last search. After I was wise and found the blaze, I stood under it and looked quickly down. As my wife pointed out at the time, if the treasure was there I should look carefully down rather than quickly. If you look quickly down, you see your feet and your shadow. Page 15: “So now I sit here PAST MIDNIGHT, beside my juniper FIRE, REFLECTING back to the year when my AWARENESS took its FIRST FEW STEPS. * (Note that the asterisk=star). Foot = 12 inches, step = 1 yard. Shadow can be used to measure long/lat and time.

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          • Will the reader who will take all these answers and put them together share the gold with any of the chasers. Guess’n not.

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  32. inthechaseto:
    FYI –

    Answer and answers is not a mistake = it is a clue
    and I know why – sorry can’t tell you without giving away the farm.

    I sent a email to him about this, before his email on the subject was published on Dal’s blog. His response: “It was an honest mistake, sir. f”

    I believe him. Not only because I don’t think he lies, but because I have already solved the part of the poem with the word “answers” in it.

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  33. Mike:
    I don’t know if it is a stretch to believe that Forrest is lying to us.He has not been deified yet to my knowledge, or even reached sainthood.

    Ok, that’s a good response. You’re right, maybe this game is just all lies, or many lies, or a few lies, here and there. Now what?

    Now: Throw away every statement he has ever said or written. Because he could be lying, and I am certain that your or anyone else’s intuition is not strong enough to discern when it is truth, and when it is a lie. By the way, this includes every line in the poem, if you’re trying to solve it literally. Home? Could mean a banana. Canyon? A tree.

    I recommend watching the Benet Devitian video (again, even if you’ve watched it before) on YouTube. Mr. Fenn is a man of integrity. Without that belief, I wouldn’t be involved in this chase.

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  34. jdh: Chaser, you’re not the first or only one that has done this so please don’t think I’m attacking you

    I don’t think you are. I love discussion/debate. I’m pretty sure it is a necessary part of finding the treasure. Thanks for your reply!

    Your quote that nine clues will lead to the treasure above is inaccurate. The quote in part is ” the nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure”.

    You’re right. Probably all of those “quotes” were not strictly accurate, that was an example of one of my “lazy posts.”

    I think the rainbow may be an important element in this statement and yet most people leave it out when referring to this statement. Have you ever wondered why Mr. Fenn has always said the poem will take you right to the treasure? (I’m paraphrasing here), and yet it hasn’t been found. What are we missing? Could we be missing whatever aspect the rainbow plays in this hunt?

    Hmm. Have I ever wondered that. How. About. Every. Single. Day. (And sometimes at night in dreams).

    Yes. You’re on to something. I agree, whole-heartedly.

    If you look at the publication of the poem in the book and Mr. Fenn’s website …

    Here is where we diverge. I don’t care what the website says. In fact, the poem on the website is wrong. (it says ‘answer’ instead of ‘answers’, stanza 5, line 3). The book is the canonical source of “the poem”, but it is not titled. I don’t care about a poem title, because there is no title to the poem in the book. I don’t care about relationship between title/introduction, because I don’t see a title in my little fruitcakey universe where only the poem in the book matters, and his website is wrong. But hey, to each his/her own. I’m not trying to convince you, and I’m not upset with you, I just disagree with you here and I’m just expressing the bounds of my reality to you.

    End of his rainbow, though? Yep, in the book, possibly (even probably) very important in some way.

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    • FYI –

      Answer and answers is not a mistake = it is a clue
      and I know why – sorry can’t tell you without giving away the farm.

      You can hit people over the head and they will only believe in what they themselves have discovered and in no way will change their spot. Those people will never come even close to the treasure.

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  35. jdh:

    Then directly below the title is the statement about what will lead you to the end of the rainbow and the treasure, and then the actual poem. This statement is part of THE POEM. It is not just an introduction to the poem stating there are nine clues.

    I think he included it after the title so it would always be part of THE POEM… and he could say to us that the clues are in THE POEM.

    But my point is, the statement is part of THE POEM. THE POEM is not only, just the poem.

    no

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  36. Chaser: Just remember that if you find GPS coordinates in the book (or anything necessary, other than the poem), you have to reconcile that against the statements, “the nine clues in the poem lead to the treasure”, “everything you need to find the treasure is in the poem”, and “the poem will lead you to the treasure, the book by itself will not.

    Chaser, you’re not the first or only one that has done this so please don’t think I’m attacking you, but I’d like to point something out that I see over and over. You may not think it important but it might be.

    Your quote that nine clues will lead to the treasure above is inaccurate. The quote in part is ” the nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure”.

    I think the rainbow may be an important element in this statement and yet most people leave it out when referring to this statement. Have you ever wondered why Mr. Fenn has always said the poem will take you right to the treasure? (I’m paraphrasing here), and yet it hasn’t been found. What are we missing? Could we be missing whatever aspect the rainbow plays in this hunt?

    If you look at the publication of the poem in the book and Mr. Fenn’s website, it is written with the title in capital letters as THE POEM. Then directly below the title is the statement about what will lead you to the end of the rainbow and the treasure, and then the actual poem. This statement is part of THE POEM. It is not just an introduction to the poem stating there are nine clues. I think being told there are nine clues is helpful but is that the most important element of the statement or is it there so we don’t see what is right in front of us, but appears as some cute little poet’s remark? And why did he include this statement after the title? Normally an introduction is before the title.

    I think he included it after the title so it would always be part of THE POEM… and he could say to us that the clues are in THE POEM.

    I applaud Mike for including it in his publication of THE POEM. Other websites have left this statement out of their publication of it ( and some don’t show it all but encourage discussion about it) and I think they are doing themselves and their readers a great disservice.

    Mr. Fenn also has commented about giving THE POEM to a child to read. Would a child miss the part about a rainbow. I doubt it. Children, especially little girls love to color rainbows. I’m sure his daughters when young and his granddaughter (don’t know how many grand kids he has) have drawn hundreds of rainbows for him.
    It could be important.

    But my point is, the statement is part of THE POEM. THE POEM is not only, just the poem.

    jdh

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  37. ltj: In my experience when my pillow is cold – it takes more than a few seconds for it to warm up. Probably minutes.

    I remember when I was a kid, and sleeping in a room with no heater, my pillow would stay cold all night.

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  38. Mike:
    .Could this be a clue to the format for hidden GPS coordinates in the book?

    And why didn’t he capitalize the “f” in “father”?

    Just remember that if you find GPS coordinates in the book (or anything necessary, other than the poem), you have to reconcile that against the statements, “the nine clues in the poem lead to the treasure”, “everything you need to find the treasure is in the poem”, and “the poem will lead you to the treasure, the book by itself will not.”

    So, by considering the existence of such things in the book, the bigger reality that you’re facing is that Mr. Fenn is deliberately, repeatedly lying to us. Chew on that for a bit and see if it makes sense to you.

    Regarding capitalization, I think it is appropriate that father is not capitalized here. I thought it was an easy rule, but my brain hurts:

    www.uhv.edu/ac/grammar/pdf/capitalization.pdf

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    • Chaser –

      I totally agree with FF’s statement.

      THAT is why it is so vitally important you start in the right place. Because if you do – everything fits and absolutely relates, step by step right back to the poem.

      It can be solved with just the book because the poem is in it – which FF also said.

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    • f could have put the coordinates into the book, but they are not placed in a manner that you could derive them with 100 percent certainty

      if you have solved the poem, then you know the degrees and minutes with certainty, and perhaps you have honed in on the seconds to a certain extent, it is then that you ‘recognize’ subtle clues to these numbers in the book

      but it was the poem that led you to the coordinates, just as it is the poem that leads to the treasure

      to conclude that f putting in clues for the coordinates in the book equates to f ‘lying’, i disagree with that

      in f’s mind, he could consider that none of these things in the book, including hidden coordinates, lead to the treasure, because they are not possible to know with certainty w/o the poem, and i would agree with that

      you really don’t having any way of knowing with certainty what f put in the book, and whether or not he put the coordinates in the book.

      what you have is your opinion that you think you know precisely what f means when he says “the book by itself does not”. i would not presume to know what f thinks with that kind of precision.

      f has a certain line of delineation about what he considers to be clues deliberately placed in the poem, and clues in the book ‘not deliberately placed’ and will not lead you there ‘by itself’.

      what kind of thinking he uses to separate these things, is what has a lot of us confused i think. its better not to assume what he means, and understand we don’t really know what he may have put in the book.

      search and search and see what you may find, and don’t search with your eyes closed, i would say.

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      • I agree. Don’t search with your eyes closed. Unless you’ve taken mescaline and are “searching” from the safety of your couch. But we’ve already established that is unlikely to lead to the treasure. But hey, it’s the thrill of the chase, right?

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        • people like to say that you can’t find this thing from your couch, or you can’t find it sitting in front of your computer

          that may not be true however, if searching from your couch while on mescaline, perhaps an out of body experience may occur and you can ‘float’ to the location

          that sure would save on gas and lodging

          only thing im not sure about is if i could physically pick up a 42 lb chest while floating around as ethereal matter

          perhaps they are right after all

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          • Chris =

            It is my opinion that he did not put the coordinates in the book. If he did they are so convoluted as to not make sense to me. I think he used other things that one discovers along the way after doing some heavy research on the area which relates to the poem.

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          • Chris Yates:

            that sure would save on gas and lodging

            And flights, and rental cars, for me.

            Besides, I think you have to make the important distinction between “finding” the treasure and “retrieving” the treasure. If you could take mescaline and “find” the treasure while floating around as ethereal matter, then you might be able to retrieve it with an overnight red-eye flight, a 1 day car rental, and no lodging. And you could pack sandwiches.

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      • Its not about being a liar, he is telling a story. Just like any story teller it doesnt have to be the clinical 100% truth when trying to paint a picture with words. If that were a requirement nobody would ever listen to a story.

        Forrest discusses how he wrote his first book and he used nothing but facts. He said it was so dry and boring that even he didnt want to read it.

        Its literature, not court testamony under oath.

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    • This is straight from the link you posted:

      • Capitalize words that indicate family relationship only when they are not used with
      possessive structures.
      Ex: She told me that my father forgot his glasses.
      Ex: I will take Mom and Dad to dinner to celebrate their anniversary.

      The word “father” here is not preceded by a possessive structure (such as my), so it should be capitalized.

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  39. “But the second the minute hand touched 8:00, father would give us a few seconds to warm our pillows and that was it.”

    At eight o’clock the minute hand touches 12, not 8. It is the hour hand that touches 8. Is there a clue here? In one short phrase he refers to seconds, minutes and hours. The reference to hours is indirect, by refering to the hand that is touching 8 at 8:00, similar to how “A Farewell to Arms” is indirectly refered to in “Important Literature”. Could this be a clue to the format for hidden GPS coordinates in the book?

    And why didn’t he capitalize the “f” in “father”?

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    • Good morning Mike,

      This past weekend, my friend and I went camping. We read the book to each other and one would take notes. We noticed the same thing. Trying to see if there are coordinates relating to my spot I had chosen to go to in January. We noticed some relative numbers as well but trying to find the longitude starting point.
      I started to read his earlier book The Secrets of San Lazaro Pueblo. I had posted some interesting comments on my website under The Books, by page number. I think the colors of tea with Olga are the colors of the vessel the tea was in. He mentions the three colors in the book. The book is fascinating to read.

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    • I believe the second hand is what makes it 8:00. If he said it touched the 8, then I could see that. I think it actually makes sense the way it was written.

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      • The long black one = min

        The shorter one = hrs

        The red one = secs

        Sorry Meme, but Mike is right. When it’s eight – the long one (mins) is at 12 – not at 8,

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        • It’s 8:00 when the minute hand touches the 12. So I don’t see how you can say that’s wrong. He’s not saying the minute hand touched the 8….he’s saying 8:00.

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          • The minute hand never touches eight o’clock, which is rather intangible and impossible to touch (being time and all). If he is implying anything about hands touching it is in regard to the digits on a clock face. And at eight o’clock the minute hand touches 12 (and so does the second hand).

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    • If I missed this in the replies – sorry.

      But he does use second twice; second and seconds.

      And if he deliberately did this as some seem to imply – why?

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    • Used to have a Daisy BB gun . One day I shot and killed a little bird . Wasted a life needlessly , because we couldn’t eat it . I almost swore off hunting and killing after that episode .

      Did hunt later in life for food , which I believed to be O. K. . But tried to never waste another life .

      Rebel

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