Preface-1

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  1. A bobby green christmas*

    Bob- “hey everyone I’ve got a photo of the chest!”
    Violet- “boy are you stupid bobby green. thats just a dumb old wooden box in a museum.”
    Peppermint Patty- “you’re hopeless bobby green.”
    Lucy- “you’ve been dumb before bobby green, but this time is THE dumbest.”
    Bob- “i guess you were right Linus, I shouldn’t search museums. everything I do turns into a disaster. I really don’t know what the thrill of the chase is all about. ISNT THERE ANYONE WHO CAN TELL ME WHAT THE THRILL OF THE CHASE IS ALL ABOUT???”

    Linus- “sure, i’ll tell you bobby green…….lights please.”

    (linus takes center stage, spotlight)

    And there were in the rocky mountains at night, sad campers abiding by their campfires while their children were playing hand-held electronic games inside the tents. And lo, Dal Neitzel suddenly appeared before them in an astro van, shining a bright light round about them, and they were sore afraid. Then Dal said unto them- “fear not, for i bring you tidings of great joy which will be to all people….for unto you this day a book has been written in the city of Santa Fe. Which is The Thrill of the Chase. Within this book, is a poem which shall release your children from their electronic burden. And this shall be a sign unto you, you will find this book at Collected Works bookstore for thirty five dollars plus shipping and handling.”
    then suddenly there was with Dal a multitude of the heavenly host, praising Forrest Fenn and saying- “glory to god in the highest and on earth peace, good will towards men.”
    Then the campers said- “how can we repay you kind sir?’
    And Dal said- ” are those 100% all beef hot dogs roasting on your campfire?”
    And the campers answered- “yes they are, how did you know?”
    Dal said- “call it a hunch, give them to me and consider yourselves debt free.”
    Then laying a hot dog inside of his mouth and aiming esmerelda in a direction not south he exclaimed as he flew out of sight- “happy searching to all and to all a good night!”

    And that is what the thrill of the chase is all about bobby green.
    (linus picks up blanket, walks off stage)

    *written and posted without permission from Charles Schultz, Forrest and Peggy Fenn, Dal Neitzel, Mike nor anyone else living or dead.

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    • Hey Bob…..how have you been.? I provided a picture of the chest in 2013. Actually it was two pictures (side by side with markings identified). The Albuquerque Journal covered my story only after they examined the two photos (blown up) and agreed they were a match.

      In my recent verbal battle with Fenn he left off by saying “let’s both declare ourselves winners and let time be the great decider”. What else can I say?

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      • tom h. im good. im in the same boat. declaring myself a winner and biding my time. not much else to do except have fun with the whole thing. and boy is it fun.

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  2. I do not know if this was discussed before but can someone explain this to me?
    The last paragraph in the preface says “This book is my ninth in twenty-six …” however, in the book cover at the back it says “This is his eighth book ….”

    If this is an aberration what do you research here?

    I hope this newbie is not boring you with the things you guys already discussed/figured out.

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    • Off Topic!

      Sorry, having trouble posting on many threads.
      VG, I looked up your last video on Youtube to watch it. It was really interesting to see how things can appear one way but be something different. Thank you! 🙂

      Could everyone please tell me which threads you cant load or read? I am emailing Mike asking for some help. He is a busy man so dont want him wasting time trying to figure out which ones. Thanks!
      deb

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      • Hey Deb! Yes, I have trouble too, on Blog Buzz, News, the Poem, couch, lounge. Any thread that has 500 comments. That’s why I jump around to the lesser used threads.

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        • he said the trail is at least 300 miles west those emigrants started way back up the pike – making their way down to Illinois and Iowa as they were run off at about everywhere they went. so where do we actually pick up the trail at.

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        • What about the start of a trail… Similar to the Overland Trail and Oregon Trail? Those two start further east, and passes through the territory in question. Has anyone explored a similar option? Maybe another ancient trail?

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  3. E*:

    LOL!! See I knew you were good (what took you so long) Say hi to the red-headed step-children for me. Maybe I’ll stop in sometime.

    E* Thank you for calling my attention to those posts. I have been reading about Glenda and her career. I was impressed by how much Forrest had done for her. What a kind man to do that for her.

    I am glad you found Mikes blog, you are one of the most interesting people. I am grateful to Mike also for giving us all a home. He is a good man also. 🙂

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      • That was pretty funny because this morning I sat up in bed and said to the cats, dogs and hubby that we very happily live as a band of misfits. 🙂

        There is a place for everyone. I am also glad I never felt the need to closely examine a kids movie before. Kids dont care about any of it, they just want everyone to be happy and loved. Kids are awesome! 🙂

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      • Deb – What’s also funny,…is a few nights ago,…I was out enjoying the amazingly clear constellations in the sky,…at about 3:00am,…and as I returned,…to my right I saw six deer in the street,…aligned perfecly, shoulder to shoulder,…with the largest one with antlers on the far right. They stayed perfectly still as I passed. I thought of Rudolph,…and wondered if Santa might have let them all off their reins for a little rest? But then I remembered it was October. 🙂

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  4. I think we all have considered that too. I have personally asked him that question about the truth and he said it was the truth. I am going to trust him, of course I trust everyone .

    I know thats not a good thing but I prefer to let others be responcible for their choices in life.If a person chooses to be untrue about things that affect others, thats on them. Its that karma thing.

    Am I the only one who actually asks Forrest those type of questions? I find that hard to believe.

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    • Deb- I don’t want to ask him any questions. I want to solve the puzzle book on my own. I’m sure others have asked him many questions to no avail. We have the book and poem and that’s all we need.

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      • I asked him in the context of a statement he had made that sounded like he was making everything up. Not sure exactly what that statement was, its in my email somewhere.

        I asked him if everything in the book was just a story ,he told me no its true.

        I wouldnt go around calling him a liar if I didnt bother to ask him point blank. By the way, I always sign my emails to him with” deb the blunt”. LOL

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    • Deb- I don’t recall ever reading or listening to FF talk about karma, but he has written that god will forgive him…that’s what he does(god). Lol

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  5. Fourth paragraph…”My only goal in this endeavor is to talk about a few of my life experiences….”
    Now wait a dang minute! What about a few Indiana Jones types???
    Maybe I took that line out of context- start over.
    Fourth paragraph..(from the beginning)
    “I tend to use some words that aren’t in the dictionary, and others that are, I bend a little. My only goal in this endeavor is to talk about a few of my life experiences and if any readers over the age of twelve don’t see a little of themselves in this mirror, maybe they deserve another turn.”

    Nope, I didn’t take it out of context. There it is folks, his only goal. Hiding a bronze box for all to seek was not a goal in this endeavor. Ok wait, maybe I’m wrong. Back to the top of the preface.
    First paragraph…”All of the stories that mingle among these pages are as true to history(yeah, Buffalo Bill’s)as one man can average out that truth, considering the fact that one of my natural instincts is to embellish just a little(lots!). Nevertheless, the story of my treasure chest is true, and if it doesn’t STIR YOUR SPIRIT then I hope AT LEAST it brings a smile in one of your DREAMS.”

    Whoa now wait a dadgum minute FF!!!
    Stir my spirit? A smile in my dreams? thats all?? What about me getting rich by finding it? What about the thrill of the chase? I see now that his only goal was to talk about a few of his life experiences. We have in the preface, a warning. Searchers take heed!

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  6. I want to introduce what I call, fun facts in relations to Forrest and Cody. So please bare with me this could be a little long. ………with all going on in Cody’s life did “gold” ever play a factor in his life? Yes gold got into his veins during the Pikes Peak Gold Rush – in 1859 Cody went to a area called Black Hawk, CO in search for gold, he spent two months searching with no sucess. Black Hawk is right “below” Central City, CO where lived a wonderful lady who was voted into the Society of Colorado Pioneers because she became a community leader, philanthropist, and for aiding in the settlement of slaves during the Colorado Gold Rush, her name was Clara Brown. Now Clara can not only be related to ” below the home of Brown” but to the illustration shown in the Chapter ” Teachers with Ropes. This illustration design came from a Norman Rockwell painting called “The problem we live with” (check it out). Both Central City and Black Hawk are “not far but to far to walk” to Cody’s gravesite on Lookout Mt. Golden Co. If you get a chance look at the entrance sign to Cody’s gravesite and take a look at the City and County of Denver Seal posted on it, it kind of rusty to see so you might want to look up the seal itself and see what is “key”. Now it is a fact one of the main roads going into Golden is called “Ford Rd. ( could this road be named after Forrest’s Mrs. Ford, nah) If you travel this road and take a left (ever drawing nigh) on the road going to Cody’s gravesite you will pass to big pillars on each side of the road (like the ones on the bronze chest) and the roads name changes to Lariat Loop Rd. (Forrest: it was easy to slip behind him and throw a “loop”) if you travel up this road there is a letter on the side of the mountain for the mining school there in Golden a giant “M”, that if you look at it from a arielview down from Cody’s grave it appears to be a “W”. Now take a look at Forrest’s PDF page of the map in Gold and More, it has a big “W” on it, and it not on my map in the book. Okay let’s talk frog, okay not like a frog but Forrest’s frogs: some Native Americans cultures see the frog as a sign of purity of water- clean clear water. There is a creek that runs through Golden and in the mountains by Central City and Black Hawk called Clear Creek. In fact where the creek flows through Golden at the bridge on Washington St.(picture of Washington Teachers with Ropes) there is Bronze sculpture of Buffalo Bill Cody with a child on his shoulder and below it is a garden “where yellow and purple flowers grow”. There’s a park to the left (again) by Clear Creek there are a few rather large statues of brown trout by the creek. Most of these areas can be seen on goggle maps including google earth, and by the way there is a natural X on a satilliteview map, if you look at the right one, it’s in the mountains so Forrest doesn’t have to put it on for you. Forrest once said to a blogger : ” Sever a drink that’s different. What about sarsaparilla? I’m serious, and make a big deal about how important it was in the 1850’s. Yes this too relates. Well hope you enjoyed my fun facts, of course this is the way I see things and in all I have posted for the last week or so on the connections – related findings to do with Forrest, his TTOTC book, the poem with Mr. William F. Cody (Buffalo Bill). There still is more and if you care to research you will come across things too. If you can use my findings fine if not I hope they made for interesting reading. I will post one last post in the near future of my final idea, but for now thanks for reading and please excuse any mistakes in it. Bur

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  7. I caught something while looking at a 1879 U.S. General land map, that turned into a play on words on something Forrest said on page 4. This wasn’t Cody related until further research the areas around it did. Bur

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    • Forrest wrote: My “Church is” in the mountains… On that 1879 map area of Colorado near Denver in the mountains (I only found this on a couple of maps) was a place called “Churches”. Okay my imagination at work. But there it “was”, and it was close enough to other places related to Cody for me to consider this. Bur

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  8. The end is ever drawing nigh;

    The preface to TTOTC is referenced by the semicolon here I think. A few paragraphs about the end of his friend Eric Sloane. And thoughts on the end of his own life.

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  9. By dressin down, mis spellin words and gettin ‘is stories wrong sometimes, ‘e’s tryin to make an impression that lowers expectations to the observer. I been doin it myself fer years. I’m a happy guy.

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  10. Jack:
    I have a general question for anyone looking for coordinates. My thoughts are that he may have put clues to coordinates in somewhere. But what do the coordinates lead you to? I don’t think there are coordinates to the exact hiding spot because that would allow someone to shortcut the process of solving the puzzle in the poem. I don’t think FF wants that to happen. If there are coordinates I think they will reveal a general area to search rather than a specific location of the treasure or one of the clues like WWWH or HOB. Just wandering what people believe they will find at the location of coordinates found?

    Just my opinion but I think he put hints at coordinates and they do point to precisely where the chest is at.

    The hints are not deliberately placed (encoded) in any way a person would either recognize them or could otherwise determine them and thereby shortcut the poem.

    I think the coordinate hints are needed to help lead to a more precise spot, but it is impossible for anyone to recognize them (or know how to apply them) without solving the poem to the blaze.

    I think you can also solve the poem to the blaze and then to the area that is pointing to, then if you are prepared to do a lot of work searching a fairly sizeable area with a metal detector, then you could find it without help from the coordinate hints.

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    • Also just my opinion but I think coordinates, if they exist in the book, probably fall into what he considers as “hints”. I think he considers hints as something that narrow down the possible location rather than specifically point to it. So things like not in Utah or Idaho, then not in Canada, above 5000′ but below 10,200′ narrow down the possible locations by elimination. The clues in the poem have to be followed precisely as he says, so I think he constructed it so that the only precise clues to the location are in the poem. He considers anything else (in the book, his interviews, etc) to be a hint. So if there are coordinates in the book, I think they probably describe a certain general area by eliminating all other areas or they pinpoint a certain geographical feature, person, or event, that narrows down the possibilities by eliminating others or identifying something that helps interpret the specific clues in the poem. If he somehow hid coordinates within the poem itself, then it may be the exact location of the chest.

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  11. I believe there are two stories in TTOTC that hint at what type of tree the treasure is hidden by. They are found in the Preface and “Surviving Myself”.

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  12. Bur:
    Chris, from the numbers here it looks like there in the latitude # for Forrest house. Chris from your numbers in posts you do some good calculations on everything your looking at, but what I’m not understanding is with these numbers are you looking for longitude and latitude or decimals, minutes, seconds or letters or something else to you solve? I’m just not understanding the numbers theory, I do see others that do and maybe I’m missing out on something here. Don’t get me wrong I do use numbers as far as longitude and latitude when I check my clue solves just to see what they are compared to your numbers and some hit in parts but most don’t. So maybe that’s a good thing for my solve. Just curious. Thanks Bur

    The numbers hints I think could be compass degree angle, or coordinates related. I will be divulging this in an upcoming post anyways so I will go ahead and tell you I think the pi number is related to degree angle, not coordinates.

    On the coordinates I think there are quite a few numbers connected in this thing and the reason being that in addition to degree angles, there are different forms of coordinates as well as the combining them into totals.

    The different forms are ‘hint of riches new and old’ referring to the many hints of old and new coordinates put into both the poem and book. old coordinates are degrees minutes seconds, and new coordinates are decimal form as well as decimal seconds.

    It is a lot of confusion at first I think, until it starts to get pieced together and you start to see what is what, and a pattern emerges. The pattern being for example, this set of numbers, even though they widely vary, all connect as referring to both latitude old and latitude new, and latitude total. And I could go on and on with the different possible sets and subsets along these lines.

    I know what I say is confusing. I wish I was free to spill what I think WWH is, then I could explain how I see the numbers connecting in a very specific sense and it would make a lot more sense.

    Geydelkon:
    Chris, I have been trying to fit your numbers to my place. Looking for the primer. It seems you are really on to something. I think now I know what the primer is now. Chris you must start at the beginning of the poem. My dreams keep showing me a number and how to use it. Can our subconscious minds paint us a different view to the solve. Just thinking…remember he said to think.

    Yes the primer is the start, WWH. Maybe not exactly. But when you know what WWH is, the spot you go to from there is fairly obvious, from that ‘spot’ to the chest is what is not so obvious.

    That spot really is the primer, and it is not far away from WWH, so really when you solved that part of the poem, you have the primer.

    ‘I can keep my secret where’, this refers to bringing you to that spot, wherein you now have the primer, the secret, ‘and hint of riches new and old’, and now he is giving you a bunch of hints of coordinates, new and old, so you can figure out where precisely to go from this spot.

    There are 2 primers, one old, one new, and you can build on each one, and when the destination matches it is confirmation that it is the hiding place.

    In addition, I have found the old and new primer in the book hinted at. You cannot know what the latitude and longitude are separately, only what the total of either old or new is, and it will match what the numbers are when you are at that spot south of WWH. So it is confirmation, but you cannot derive it from the book alone, you need to know WWH first.

    The hints at the primers are I believe a page number, where on that page f talks about an important total, then the other one is a number in the text where f makes a reference again to totals and ends by hinting what type of total. I don’t think anyone could possibly know what im talking about, and even if they did they would only have a new and an old total and not know how it breaks down.

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    • I have a general question for anyone looking for coordinates. My thoughts are that he may have put clues to coordinates in somewhere. But what do the coordinates lead you to? I don’t think there are coordinates to the exact hiding spot because that would allow someone to shortcut the process of solving the puzzle in the poem. I don’t think FF wants that to happen. If there are coordinates I think they will reveal a general area to search rather than a specific location of the treasure or one of the clues like WWWH or HOB. Just wandering what people believe they will find at the location of coordinates found?

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  13. Ok. Who am I? Being on the chase has been very rewarding. Involved in so much research in what I and other chasers have found. I suppose it is a treasure in itself. I don’t like to write but only when I have to. I write to myself in my mind not in words but with a portrait that says endless words. I never forget anything like that. Each morning a playback of thoughts fire my curiosity. Then the questions lure me into deeper thought. On an earlier post on this site. I questioned why is there very little information on Colorado. How does it relate to my spot in New Mexico? What is missing or what is it I keep seeing. My dreams are mix of misfired thoughts of what I have put there. When I awake while they fade, I scramble to understand there meaning. I look at the hands of my life and wonder if it is a part of my dream. What is it telling me when it is so repetitive. So being what it is will be what it is with no reason.

    So with that said, in the book TTOTC, opposite page which would be page 5. The dedication on the bottom of the page. The symbol….what is it, say you all?

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    • “I look at the hands of my life and wonder if it is a part of my dream.”

      This sounds like a clue from fenn

      “So with that said, in the book TTOTC, opposite page which would be page 5. The dedication on the bottom of the page. The symbol….what is it, say you all?”

      I see a waning crescent and a waxing crescent and possibly the shape of a river

      rainbows and smiles, sometimes its just a matter of which way you want to turn it

      I think you helped fill in the gap for me on something with your question, I overlooked he said thrill of the chase on page 5

      Any page with a page number on it, which has the word chase, previously I had 35, 131, 143

      I was missing page 5, that should be all of them I believe, it totals 314 the number of pi(e)

      Btw I think ‘the chase’ or ‘the thrill of the chase’ that is the answer to the question in the poem,

      So why is it that I must go and leave my trove 4 all 2 seek

      it asks the question, and says I already know the answer then ends the next stanza saying I give you ‘title’ to the gold

      some other internals on those 4 numbers, 35 and 131 is 166 the total words of the poem

      35 and 143 is 276 which is the alph num summation of the thrill of the chase a memoir

      He climbed the ladder 274 times after which he went to the special place, which he may consider number 275, and that may be why he said he went in twice because the extra time is needed to make it exactly 276

      There may also be a clever play on words in the poem where he says the first time, I have gone alone, as in ’gone’ ‘a’ ‘lone’, or remove the lone a

      If you remove the lone ‘a’ from ‘the thrill of the chase a memoir’ the alpha num summation becomes 275. Which would be the first time he went in

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      • “35 and 143 is 276 which is the alph num summation of the thrill of the chase a memoir”

        brain cramp here. 35 and 143 do not total 276

        point is 276 is the total of the title TTOTC a memoir

        the 4 page numbers 5, 35, 131, 143

        i think what i found in the past was besides the 166 total of 2 numbers (35+131) and the grand total of pi(314) also was 131 and 143 which totals 274, the number of times he climbed the ladder, then logically it follows from there he may have considered going to the special place the 275th and 276th

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        • Chris, from the numbers here it looks like there in the latitude # for Forrest house. Chris from your numbers in posts you do some good calculations on everything your looking at, but what I’m not understanding is with these numbers are you looking for longitude and latitude or decimals, minutes, seconds or letters or something else to you solve? I’m just not understanding the numbers theory, I do see others that do and maybe I’m missing out on something here. Don’t get me wrong I do use numbers as far as longitude and latitude when I check my clue solves just to see what they are compared to your numbers and some hit in parts but most don’t. So maybe that’s a good thing for my solve. Just curious. Thanks Bur

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      • Chris, I have been trying to fit your numbers to my place. Looking for the primer. It seems you are really on to something. I think now I know what the primer is now. Chris you must start at the beginning of the poem. My dreams keep showing me a number and how to use it. Can our subconscious minds paint us a different view to the solve. Just thinking…remember he said to think.

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    • I just saw this, I have no idea what you see in the symbol.That symbol has been used in literature for a very long time. I always thought it meant for ever after?

      Chris, Gey is not FF. 🙂 Thats the only thing I am sure of.

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  14. Can anyone tell me which of his books Forrest is signing in the photo at the turquoise mine. It says ‘The Galisteo’ under part of a drawing?

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          • it would be more fun to me to be able to go with Forest out to diggin in his dirt than searching for his elusive treasure LOL 🙂

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          • We used to ride our horses in the cinders of Flagstaff, AZ. and we would pack a picnic and spend all day. Just laying on top of the cinders were all sorts of black and white pottery shards, they were EVERYWHERE!
            We would look through them to see the really cool ones and just say, “Wow, can you imagine…..?”

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          • I’ve always left things where i found them if it was the shards I’d found while riding in Flagstaff,Az. but if it had someone’s name on it I’d return it. just like in the book I don’t believe in diggin up graves for things. I liked the adventure of it, his writing makes you feel like you are there with them on these treks, when I was younger I’d always liked climbing the rocks in Az. myself. I can understand wanting to keep what you found also though, because the people who left things abandoned them and as educational resources but like he said if we dumped out the storage rooms in most museums there’d be plenty to go around for generations. With diversity you get the never ending cycle of public opinion or majority rules until there is enough education to refute the wrongs. just like life JJ, cyclical, just like this darn chase, spinning around on spin in the washer or like NASCAR, never ending left turns or chasing our tails like my dog, eventually someone will get smart enuf to take a short cut to the end and cut off the last leg so to speak and put us out of our misery of the mystery. LOL 🙂

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