Fenn’s Poem Kills One More

Eric Ashby, 31, is now the third person (that we know of) to die looking for Forrest Fenn’s treasure. The Poem entices people to be brave and to go where it’s cold, so no wonder that so many are lured to fast-moving, freezing-cold rapids in hopes of getting rich quick.

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LISA ALBRITTON ON HER BROTHER ERIC ASHBY’S DISAPPEARANCE

Eric, my brother, a son, and uncle, was born in Florida. Eric has 4 siblings who love him tremendously. Eric moved with our family to the Smokey Mountains as a young child. He was an outdoorsman, he loved nature, loved to be in nature – a real adventurer.

He also had the biggest heart. He would give anyone the shirt off of his back if someone needed it. He enjoyed feeding and helping the homeless, any chance he had. He also accepted anyone for who they were and never judged them.

He was so smart – he loved trying to solve puzzles and riddles; so when he heard about Forrest Fenn’s treasure, of course, he was intrigued.

He left for Colorado in April of 2016, in hopes of finding Forrest Fenn’s. He solved the riddle in 30 minutes.

Our parents are waiting for authorities to identify the body that was discovered nearly a month after Eric went into the Arkansas River in Fremont County, Colorado.

I miss my brother and only want to know what happened that day. I’m so thankful for the community of Colorado Springs that have rallied around the disappearance of “The Great Ashby” I pray that Eric is found and our family is given closure in these difficult times.

I believe that something sinister happened that day at the river and I am looking for justice for my brother.

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109 thoughts on “Fenn’s Poem Kills One More

  1. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – What an astoundingly beautiful gift! I wish I was there, and I wish I had an amazing camera to capture that. But I’m sure it it will always be burned beautifully into your memory.

    It still does that every morning and I plan on going back to take pictures! Oh unless it’s a cloudy day of course!!

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  2. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg –Don’t worry. I only wear that outfit when I go to museums like the Draper, or when I drive my Red Convertible Ferrari. I don’t wear it on the trail. I wear hiking boots and short shorts and a low-cut top….

    goo.gl/photos/QPrCM4DDUucU9itn9

    That’s a nice car. I raced Superstock cars @ the Duke city race way in Alubquerque for 8 years. – my initials are M.W.

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  3. Lisa Cesari:
    JC1117 – I was sorry to hear the story from Jeff also. Losing treasured loved ones often severely tests a person’s faith and trust in Divine intervention.

    I can relate to this statement so well. I’ve lost two children ,two brothers and two parents. I am the last male living on our tree . It all ends here .

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    • WoodyBogg – I am really sorry for your losses and I feel your pain. I find my family Everywhere I Go, on the blogs here, and with friends in this wonderful community in which I live. That is my answer for you.

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  4. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – I went barefoot all last night under the moon out at the Hot Water Inn here, dancing to an awesomeSeattle band out Warm Springs. Even hiking boots are not necessary. Maybe I was an Indian in a past life. Come on…try it…you’ll like it!

    I was listening to Dan Fogelberg’s music last eve. I was one of the Masons that put the stone in his house in Colorado. The post you did on Sutter’s Mill reminded me of him. I met him one summer camping and I miss his friendship.

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  5. Lisa Cesari:
    bob – So the Draper is home of Brown for sure then, right? And if we go after that IN wooden chest again, we will certainly have to be “brave and in the wood” to get past him, right? I will wear my new French-designed black leather chemise dress and matching Jimmy Choo red and black snakeskin spike heels to distract Mike Brown in Security. Then you just dive for it, there at Harold McCracken’s feet.

    Lisa- You tease- If you were dressed like that Bob would forget why he was there . I would forget why I was there!!

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  6. D:
    The shepherd will be held responsible.

    Yes, the millstone principle. When people are led astray, they are not blameless. But the greater blame goes to the one who led them astray. Whatever the punishment is for leading people astray, having a rock chained to your neck and being tossed in the ocean is better.

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  7. I saw a post at MW not too long ago, with a great hypothetical to this discussion that I will post here.

    Imagine a gameshow with 3 contestants and a $2 million prize. One contestant is guaranteed to win the prize, one will win nothing, and the 3rd will die on live television for all to see. They are all of free will to participate or not.

    Would you condone and/or support this game? Would it be ok for your kids to watch this ultimate manifeststion of free will?

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    • Funny that you would mention that, as I was thinking of the same analogy earlier today. I thought the The Chase is much like the movie The Running Man. You utilize your free will throughout the game, hopefully making all of the right decisions. If you do, you are rewarded with a life of luxury, but if you make one bad decision you die (well, in the movie they all die, regardless, but try to forget that part). But what do you think of the guy that puts on such a show? What was the name of the villain played by Richard Dawson? Killian? Yeah, Fenn is like Killian.

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    • Yes, that is the question. Would the viewing public say it is their free will and absolve the show creator of the barbarism? Or is the creator complicit in the barbarism?

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  8. JC1117:
    Amen, Woody.

    Free Will and PERSONAL Accountability.

    Universal Law is based on these Principles.

    Forrest is not forcing a single person to do a single thing.

    Each person who participates does so willingly and is acting on their OWN Free Will and Choice.

    It can’t be explained more truthfully or any simpler than that.

    I did not expect this to turn into a Calvinism vs Arminianism debate, but I’ll bite. Put me down as strongly anti-Calvinistic. But influence is a big part of free will. Picture an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. On one shoulder you have common sense saying “Don’t go in there, you could die”, and on the other shoulder you have Fenn, saying “Be brave, don’t be meek, go where it’s cold.” Your free will decides which wins out. This does not absolve that little scoundrel who is whispering in your ear.

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    • Angel on one shoulder…devil on the other.

      Two sides of the same coin.

      Free Will determines which side of the coin we choose to show. It’s not a random event. It’s a choice between right and wrong…each case/decision presented to the jury called conscience.

      This does not absolve the individual who chooses to listen to the scoundrel whispering in his or her ear.

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      • Clarification: This does not absolve the individual who chooses to listen to the scoundrel whispering in his or her ear…

        …and ACT upon the scoundrel’s advice.

        Forrest Fenn is NO scoundrel.

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        • JC1117 – The stone relief is embedded with semi-precious stones in the design, and is entitled, “Pleased to meet you” just like that line in the Sympathy for the Devil song by The Rolling Stones. The artist is a musician and was tortured by losing both his brother and his sister.

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        • That’s a cool art medium, Lisa…and a very thought-provoking sculpture. I like it.

          It seems the devil side may have seen you out…hiking…recently. 🙂 Or he has a vivid imagination.

          It appears his ruby…uhhh…slipper…is showing. :/

          Or he’s just happy for some reason.

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          • JC1117 – Yes, I noticed I got a rise out of that AngelDevil. And the artist told Jeff, the gallery owner and a fellow master stone artist, that he would never sell that piece. But then he corrected his statement by saying he would sell it for $250,000.

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          • JC1117 – I was sorry to hear the story from Jeff also. Losing treasured loved ones often severely tests a person’s faith and trust in Divine intervention.

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  9. Mike:
    You mean it was Eric’s time to go? I feel more comfortable blaming Fenn than God.

    I’d rather not short circuit God’s gifts, so I accept that Free Will has it’s consequences. I’ll leave the judgements up to God.

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  10. Mike: I do not need for Fenn to be a saint in order to be interested in finding his treasure.In fact, finding the treasure will end this thing, and save many lives.

    Mike – finding the treasure will end this thing (Sure) Mike if an individual has the ability to end this and they do not. Will they and are they held responsible for someone’s actions and their free will that leads to their Demise. Where does the blame game End and where does it begin.? Not good and Not right!!

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    • There’s plenty of blame to go around when someone dies looking for Fenn’s treasure. It does not hurt for all to be a little introspective, and adjust behavior accordingly. This includes Fenn. This is both good and right.

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      • I looked into myself and my introspective and came to the conclusion that I am not held responsible for any ones own actions or inactions that may be harmful to themselves or their demise.

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          • Forrest – Is not responsible for anyone else’s own actions . That’s why their called own actions . You Own them.x

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          • D- you are new here so let me explain….the chest of the poem is what is hidden. whenever “treasure” is used it can mean many things. since you said poem i felt the need to clarify. also, the treasure as i understand it, is not hidden.

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          • Amen, Woody.

            Free Will and PERSONAL Accountability.

            Universal Law is based on these Principles.

            Forrest is not forcing a single person to do a single thing.

            Each person who participates does so willingly and is acting on their OWN Free Will and Choice.

            It can’t be explained more truthfully or any simpler than that.

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      • Mike- im sure Forrest feels bad for the dead searchers but he cant in any way show responsibility. can you imagine the ambulance chasing lawyers wanting to sue the rich guy? what a mess.

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          • Mike- there is no need for repentance…Forrest never said the poem would lead to the bronze box. and that is his get out of jail free card. three dead and maybe more. I for one do not care how many die looking for the bronze box in the wilderness. I really enjoy hearing about the failed search stories, and their interpretation of what they think the clues are. it is entertaining.
            once an individual accepts the challenge, they are on their own.

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  11. Mike:
    It is easy to misread signs when they have more than one meaning.

    You’re right and I think doubleness would make for a great technique in creating a puzzle. Then relying on common sense and imagination to determine the correct meaning would be key to solving it.
    I’ll see if I can find such a puzzle.

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  12. Mike:
    It is hard to think in such general terms regarding the evils of government taxation when the subject at hand is a very specific inducement by one man to encourage all to take great risks to find his treasure. Yes, I hope to find it, in spite of the peril, but I do not find him faultless for his careless challenging of the inexperienced and naive to brave the cold and risk their lives. He almost killed me, but I persist.

    I appreciate a site that doesn’t sweep this topic under the rug. Dal’s and Jenny’s site won’t allow any real discussion on this subject. CC has many that treat Fenn as a demi-god that can do no wrong. Thanks Mike, it is good to see a place that will openly discuss these matters. They are important to those who aren’t blinded by the treasure.

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  13. Lisa Cesari:
    WoodyBogg – Thank you so much! Now when that diamond sells, and I have the gas money, I will pick you up at Flathead Lake, and drive you down to my spot, and you will accompany me to it, right? Since you already have bear spray and are not afraid of My Grizz…

    Lisa -Time frame and scheduling is important! I don’t carry bear spray at least not in a can !! Yes- I am not afraid to go to anyplace!!! Although I think you would change your mind! (Just intuition ) Sometimes knowledge is just as Important as Imagination!!

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    • Lisa- You can call me @ 406 885 1605 if I don’t answer call back periodically I don’t text don’t message me I have to go get it fixed @ vorizon

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      • WoodyBogg – Will do. Thank you. I am calling today Diamond Day, because my friend who owns a jewelry store here is having a trunk show during our Gallery Walk, and I think she will be slammed with new customers and locals during that. She is holding my diamond, and has my permission to sell it, if it is the right situation and client.

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  14. dejoka: Mike,

    Ironically the words you use to condemn Fenn are the very words Fenn used to warn us to be prepared for possible danger.

    What you read as encouragement I read as warnings:

    There is an implied warning of danger with these words “it is no place for the meek” . If you consider yourself meek, don’t go to the place, stay home and play Canasta.

    There’s a certain amount of readiness that goes along with being “brave”, otherwise any attempt into the unknown is foolhardiness.

    Because of f’s warnings, in and out of the poem, I have used extreme caution throughout all of my searches.

    f had thought of everything, if people would only listen.

    Death occurs even to the well-prepared, bear and lion attacks for example. It may be that the treasure is not in a dangerous place at all, and “meek”, “brave” and “cold” is typical Fenn word play. What a shame for people to risk their lives, when all along the treasure was hidden inside a wooden Indian at the Draper museum gift shop (brave and in the wood). Is there such a thing as death by double entendre?

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      • Lisa — I know you were addressing bob ! The wooden Indian is there !! But it is not @ the draper museum. The wooden Indian is not wooden. It is a figure of speech that refers to what it looks like.!

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        • WoodyBogg – Okay, why did the phrase, don’t take any wooden nickels, stick in my head after I read your comment?:

          idiomation.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/dont-take-any-wooden-nickels/

          That being said, the term nickel was used for other coins before it came to mean a five-cent piece. The original Indian Head cent was referred to as a nickel or “nick.” This is because when it was first produced, it was made from a copper nickel alloy from 1859 through to 1964.

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          • WoodyBogg – Thank you so much! Now when that diamond sells, and I have the gas money, I will pick you up at Flathead Lake, and drive you down to my spot, and you will accompany me to it, right? Since you already have bear spray and are not afraid of My Grizz…

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      • Lisa- I dont remember a wooden indian at the museum but i bet there is one there somewhere. It doesnt matter though because the curator of the Draper, Dr. Charles Preston assured me that the bronze box is not hidden anywhere in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center. this came from FF himself through Dr. Preston. They dont want any gold fever crazy searchers tearing up their museum looking for it.
        there is much more to my story waiting to be told. im hoping to meet you there in October Lisa so i can do just that.

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        • bob – I do not believe the bronze box is at the Draper, but I do believe the pathway that leads from 10,200 ft down to 5,000 ft there is a direct analogy to where I believe the treasure lies. I’m trying to remember, but I do believe there is a wooden Indian at the entrance to the restaurant and fly shop at Campfire Lodge at the base of my trail that leads out Cabin Creek, which is the base elevation of my search area. And I still believe that Forrest’s Oral Interview in Box 9 in the McCracken Research Library contains crucial information. And I don’t think I’m going to wait until 2025 to find out what that recording contains.

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          • lisa- when we meet at the Draper hopefully with Barry Petersen heres what will happen….we will be met at the entrance by Mike Brown who is head of security. we will be given free admission. and Mike Brown will escort us anywhere we go. I get special treatment lol.

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          • bob – So the Draper is home of Brown for sure then, right? And if we go after that IN wooden chest again, we will certainly have to be “brave and in the wood” to get past him, right? I will wear my new French-designed black leather chemise dress and matching Jimmy Choo red and black snakeskin spike heels to distract Mike Brown in Security. Then you just dive for it, there at Harold McCracken’s feet.

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      • I agree, Dejoka.

        Free will was certainly involved…either Eric’s own Free Will or someone else’s.

        Let’s say…(for example only)…that Eric suggested to his friends (enemies?) that they should all wear life vests while floating down a river in a cheap raft…since you need to plan for the worst and hope for the best…but Eric’s friendenemies said…”No. None of us are wearing life vests. Those things cost like $20 each…and certainly our lives aren’t worth THAT much. Quit worrying so much, Eric…and be cool like us”.

        The above hypothetical (only) shows how Eric’s life could have been taken by the free will of someone else.

        I personally feel that alcohol and/or drugs factored in to what REALLY happened to Eric. I hope the truth comes out soon.

        I fail to see how Forrest Fenn fits into this tragedy. Just because Eric was known to be researching…and perhaps searching for…Fenn’s Treasure doesn’t mean that he WAS looking for it on the day his “friends” left him to die. All I have heard is that his older “mentor” friend said he “thinks” that he was. Well…sorry…that’s hearsay…and inadmissible in a court of law.

        I’d like to hear from Eric’s “friends” what they were really doing on that day…because if I had to guess…I’d say they were out “for fun” (by their definition) on that tragic day.

        I don’t like how Forrest is being blamed for something he had likely had absolutely nothing to do with…in every sense.

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    • Also, to Fenn’s credit, he did recently warn me to not go out in the forest at night (too, late- been there, done that). I was preparing to go out again to see what I could find at my spot with no moon and a UV flashlight. My reasoning- where, or when is it consistently cold in the Rockies? At night. There are four illustrations of star-lit nights in the book TTOTC, and why would he go out at night to put a quarter under grandma’s grave? So I was going to be brave and go where it’s cold (the night). He reminded me of one important survival tip: mountain lions are nocturnal. Thanks, Forrest.

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  15. this is interesting…i was wondering if Forrest had not used the million dollar bronze box to lure families and instead used a simple geocache where the finder(s) signs the logbook and qualify to win a prize. i wonder how many folks would have accepted that challenge? not me lol. and how many fewer searchers there would have been. probably no media attention. so i looked for a website that lists geocache searcher deaths and lo and behold people have actually died looking for a geocache! can you believe it? this website lists 14 deaths since 2004. some were heart attacks, some fell from cliffs and some drowned. wow.

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  16. Fenn’s poem didn’t kill anyone. I blame irresponsibility and poor judgement. It’s sad these people died. I suppose it sounds nicer to blame the enticing treasure than to blame the “victim”… But if you go out searching for the treasure and leave your brain at home… That’s on you…Not Fenn.

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    • Fenn could have refrained from encouraging people to be “brave” and he could have not encouraged people to brave the cold. He chose otherwise. His conscience is his own concern.

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      • Misinterpretations of road signs, prescription labels, clues, etc. along with a lack of common sense have probably killed many. Who is to blame?

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          • Agreed Mike….and as you know, i feel very strongly about my solve. I communicate with Fenn and our chatter makes me even more certain. He should own up.

            Remember…..Fenn is an archeologist…..Meek is a fossil, not found in the Red River area but east of it , Cimmaron area….yes…….”No place for the Meek”

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          • Mike:
            He did not tell people to be careful in the poem, and the poem is all that many know. The poem encourages us to go where the meek won’t go; to be brave; and to make efforts in the cold. He did not have to use such irresponsible language. Why do we feel the need to defend this?

            Mike,

            Ironically the words you use to condemn Fenn are the very words Fenn used to warn us to be prepared for possible danger.

            What you read as encouragement I read as warnings:

            There is an implied warning of danger with these words “it is no place for the meek” . If you consider yourself meek, don’t go to the place, stay home and play Canasta.

            There’s a certain amount of readiness that goes along with being “brave”, otherwise any attempt into the unknown is foolhardiness.

            Because of f’s warnings, in and out of the poem, I have used extreme caution throughout all of my searches.

            f had thought of everything, if people would only listen.

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        • Not Fenn.

          He simply wrote a Poem…and invited us all to read it. He even told us all to be safe…and not do anything crazy or go anywhere an Old(er) Man wouldn’t go.

          How is he to blame if people don’t listen to him?

          He’s not to blame.

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          I feel that time will tell.

          (Mark 4:22)

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          • He did not tell people to be careful in the poem, and the poem is all that many know. The poem encourages us to go where the meek won’t go; to be brave; and to make efforts in the cold. He did not have to use such irresponsible language. Why do we feel the need to defend this?

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          • the three searchers who have died were at the location that killed them because they were looking for Forrest Fenn’s bronze box of gold and no other reason. they were not hiking for love of nature. they were not fishing. they were not white water kayaking. they were not wild life photographers. so this makes Forrest partly responsible in my opinion. these folks traveled to their doom for one reason only, to find free instant wealth. had Forrest never written his poem and book these three individuals would probably be alive today.

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          • bob – Please look at the link below to see the pano I created from the photos I took, for the love of nature, in my quest to find Pioneer Cabin locally here in Sun Valley. There was still snow on the trail on June 6th, 2017, when I did that, and technically I could have died, had I continued down the slope to the left in that shot to find it. There was no trail apparent, and I was going on instinct. It could have ended very badly, if I continued down the slope into the Hyndman Creek Canyon and couldn’t get back up. But I am still glad I went alone in there…

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        • dejoka- there is no misinterpretation by these three dead searchers. they went exactly where the poem and book hints sent them. and maybe one of them was correct.

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          • Eric, the latest poem victim, was only 31. That makes him the youngest one killed so far. Tragic!! I have first-hand experience with other searchers who have risked their lives, traveling thousands of miles in poor health, clinging to their oxygen bottle and a few cryptic words of encouragement from Fenn himself. I remember sitting in the wheel-chair accessible van of one such searcher on top of a mountain in Colorado. As he told me his story, between halting, ogygen-starved breathes, I wondered to myself if he might die before my very eyes.

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  17. the only word in the entire poem that would infer a dangerous place is canyon. all the rest is suggestive. there is a very good reason for that. the chest of the poem is not outdoors.

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  18. Lisa Albritton- Looking for justice for your brother is understandable if you look At or in the proper place . No disrespect and I don’t mean to sound harsh and you all have my condolences . Eric may have been smart but yet he was not so smart . He took a raft into water that was not rated for that kind of water in any way shape or form . From what was reported he obviously was not smart enough to pick friends to go on a search he could trust that would help if something went wrong . His supposed friends didn’t do him any favors by not reporting it right away. He was not wearing a life jacket or a head helmet . A bystander that saw the raft flip over reported it. He went in the river for a search on his own free will nobody twisted his arm to do so.When you make your own decision to do something You are Responsible for your own actions. There are Many books written about lost treasures and lots of lost treasures out there! Literally thousands of them . Most places that those treasure are lost or hidden there are and always will be some kind of danger or risk involved in searching for them. I hope and pray you have the ability to comprehend and understand that and not look to blame anyone besides the person that is responsible by their free will. When you become an Adult you take on your own decisions and are accountable for there results.

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      • Hello, All.

        I totally agree. With Free Will comes Personal Accountability. Human nature is to pass the blame when things don’t happen the way we want or “expect”.

        This sad story about Eric sounds VERY strange. Who were these “friends” of his…and why did they leave him to die?

        There are a lot of questions that demand answers. If there is in deed foul play…I hope the answers are found soon…and not just at The Judgement Bar…

        …which will be a Great…or a Terrible Day…for many.

        It will be a Great Day for People who Love and Care…and quite the opposite for those who do not.

        Laugh or cry, man. Laugh or cry.

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      • The California gold rush was not inspired by a man who encouraged people to be brave and go where it’s cold. Greed inspired many then. Now greed goes by another name: Fenn.

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        • Wow – Mike I’m sorry that you feel that way- Question what prompted you to start this site? Why did or why do you want to find FF treasure box? If you want to put the blame somewhere blame our government they have promoted the quest for greed through the media and everything on TV is about having lots of it for a lavish lifestyle. The government have structured the laws and all the rules around taking lots of money from all of us. It takes so much of our money just to cover our so called privlages .and they continue to increase them and make more fees and laws to take even more . Our taxes are pure extortion and none of us really own anything. You actually rent your property from the government. Just don’t pay them and see what happens to your so called property . We are all Slaves to society the way its structured. It is all about greed and money . Our children are being taught to be that way because of the way its structured . Any lure that would or will make our lives easier and increase the quality of it is going to influence every one .

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          • It is hard to think in such general terms regarding the evils of government taxation when the subject at hand is a very specific inducement by one man to encourage all to take great risks to find his treasure. Yes, I hope to find it, in spite of the peril, but I do not find him faultless for his careless challenging of the inexperienced and naive to brave the cold and risk their lives. He almost killed me, but I persist.

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          • WoodyBogg:
            Wow – Mike I’m sorry that you feel that way- Question what prompted you to start this site?Why did or why do you want to find FF treasure box.

            I do not need for Fenn to be a saint in order to be interested in finding his treasure. In fact, finding the treasure will end this thing, and save many lives.

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