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  1. heres some really big news folks and you wont read this anywhere else but here at Mikes blog, thanks mike.

    after the death of Paris Wallace i reached out to the following news sources…

    Westword Magazine, Michael Roberts
    CBS News Sunday Morning, Dustin Stephens producer
    Thrill of the Chase blog, Dal Neitzel
    A Gypsy’s Kiss, Toby Younis
    Chase Chat, Stephanie

    the news i wanted them to report is this:
    the bronze box is not in the wilderness to be found so no one else need die looking for it. concentrate your efforts on locating the “chest” of the poem. the “chest” of the poem is not the bronze box of goodies.

    all of them refused.

    i have determined that death is good for business.

    so search on Nimrods.

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    • Bob, I may regret this 🙂 , but try the “User Submitted Post” feature for your next news or whatever. You can use the “News” page instead if you want, but I would like to get some user feedback on the USP feature.

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        • But someone could still risk their life looking for the chest in the wilderness, unless the Draper museum is the only possible solution. So what’s the difference?

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          • Mike, yes there will still be die hard searchers tromping around where they shouldnt be putting themselves at risk.
            but.
            but if what im suggesting reaches a few wives who can talk their husband out of doing something dangerous and saving the life, thats all im after. why in the world wont these news agencies print what im saying EVEN IF IM WRONG???
            other wrong interpretations have been published. why not mine? is it so bad to suggest that the chest of the poem is not the bronze box?
            who really cares other than those profiting from searchers deaths?

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  2. art:
    I thought that was the whole point! To solve the poem and find the chest! I would be happy to hear your tales of the chest and see a photo. Would also like to know it is not there.
    Art- yes you must solve the poem to find the chest. you have to first understand that the chest of the poem….just take the chest….is not the bronze box of goodies. its a different chest. that line of the poem…just take the chest…..means to just take a photo of the chest, and go in peace. this chest we are to photograph, is at the Draper Museum of Natural History. one of five museums located within the Buffalo Bill Center of the West in Cody, Wyoming. this is the place the poem describes. this is the place where Forrest gone alone in there, and with his treasures bold. the chest is just an old wooden box in a museum display with the letters IN stenciled on the lid. this is brave and “in the wood”. i cannot post my photo of the chest here on the blog for an unknown reason. but, i emailed mike the photo im hoping he can send it to you.

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      • Columbo- Oh, oh Art jus tone more thing…uhhh if at the end of this treasure hunt, you were to learn that the chest of the poem is indeed a simple box in a museum and that Forrest Fenn’s treasure is actually any national park and the bronze box of goodies has been locked safely away in his vault at his home…..how would you react Art? anger? jealousy? rage? or just smile and think to yourself, ah- ha! you got me old man.
        I’m just curious thats all Art. no hard feelings you understand, Art? how would you react.

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        • well, Art…i really didnt expect a reply so I’ll go ahead with more thought on this matter. it has to do with FF’s statement in the preface of TTOTC, having a “penchant for provocation.”
          havent we all skipped over that not paying much attention? i did. but lets examine closely… penchant or desire to provoke. provoke means ….action or speech that makes someone annoyed or angry especially deliberately. so how is FF provoking here? well, both ways action and speech. publishing a puzzle book (action) and speech. just read what he’s said at Dals blog or Jenny’s mysterious writings. this whole treasure hunt showcases his “penchant for provocation”.
          how are we annoyed? we cant find the bronze box.
          “no place for the meek”- provocation.
          “effort worth the cold”- provocation.
          we are provoked into believing the bronze box is somewhere difficult to get to. in fact the bronze box is not the poem chest.

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  3. Arthur Teems on March 14, 2017 at 12:21 pm said I solved Forrest finn’s poem!
    I have solved FF poem and I did it in one day! My name is Arthur Teems and I live in Florida. So I am a long way from the Rockies. I am going to lead you right to the treasure. Begin it where warm waters halt. That took about 5 seconds for me. The deepest warm water well above Santa Fe is Pagosa Springs which goes into the san juan river. The river halts at the El vado Dam in New Mexico hwy 84 and 112 not far from there but too far to walk is Coopers El Vado Ranch. Google there web site and then click on record trout . Now you know where the home of brown is. The put in spot is just below Coopers El Vado Ranch which is also the home of Brown. I found the same wording in the old BLM land maps for the Rio Chama. They have put a new one on the web site now but it said the put in is just below Coopers. From there it is no place for the meek. That is because it is a class 2 or 3 rapid. the end is ever drawing nigh There’ll be no paddle up your creek just heavy loads of water high. This is where the Rio Chama meets the Nutrias river. I could imagine both of those rivers at full stream back in the day when F.F. was a fishing guide on the river. heavy loads! Now the best part where the treasure is> If you look on the BLM land for the Rio Chama on the web. Then look up maps it has a Legend Look at the Legend and look for Trail The Trail is the Blaze and it leads just south of the Nutrias river to a no camping zone. I f you go back to the legend you will see where you can camp private and public lands in pink. The trail is a single dotted line. Know I have never been to this site I know I told you all that I found it and I believe I have. At this site there is a parking lot and at the north end of the parking lot I think the Trail might go across water. The trail leads back towards the Nutrias river. If you have been wise and Found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease. So here me all and listen good. Your effort will be worth the cold. If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold! So I have tried to get there twice on the road that F.F. took the 303 off 84 , You would need a 4 wheel drive. Back to the gold. It will be worth the cold if you are brave and in the wood! I think it is in the tree roots in the water or you have to swim through the tree roots like I said I have never been there but I did get a live satellite feed the first day I was looking and I believe there could be a small cove here. Anyway take a wet suit and maybe a rebreather or an airplane oxygen tank a mask and a bright flash light or two. I don’t know how deep it is or how far under the land you my have to go. Remember F.F. was a fighter Pilot He could hold his breath for a long time. At 80 years old. Hope you guys find the gold and if you do I need a new Truck and a plane about 70 grand total Arthur Teems 12274 Crusader pl. Port Saint Lucie Florida 34987 Good Luck I was going to give it to the Smithsonian!

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    Arthur Teems
    on March 14, 2017 at 1:01 pm said
    The River starts flowing may 1 better get there before that! The water will be all muddy!

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    • hello Art. the place you describe indeed holds Forrest Fenn treasure. but this is not the bronze box, nor is it the “chest” of the poem. i can email you a photo of the chest described in the poem if you like.

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      • Well it sure sounded like the place! I only saw F.F. once on TV in Florida. He said he went back and forth from the parking lot. Two parking lots are on the chama 303 to the trail and 151. he said it was not near any structure as in bridge. 151 there is a bridge and it is also the C.D.T. continental divide trail. Plus he said later it was near a cairn and that is what the 303 trail is.

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          • I thought that was the whole point! To solve the poem and find the chest! I would be happy to hear your tales of the chest and see a photo. Would also like to know it is not there.

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  4. I have solved FF poem and I did it in one day! My name is Arthur Teems and I live in Florida. So I am a long way from the Rockies. I am going to lead you right to the treasure. Begin it where warm waters halt. That took about 5 seconds for me. The deepest warm water well above Santa Fe is Pagosa Springs witch goes into the san juan river. The river halts at the El vado Dam in New Mexico hwy 84 and 112 not far from there but too far to walk is Coopers El Vado Ranch. Google there web site and then click on record trout . Now you know where the home of brown is. The put in spot is just below Coopers El Vado Ranch witch is also the home of Brown. I found the same wording in the old BLM land maps for the Rio Chama. They have put a new one on the web site now but it said the put in is just below Coopers. From there it is no place for the meek. That is because it is a class 2 or 3 rapid. the end is ever drawing nigh There’ll be no paddle up your creek just heavy loads of water high. This is where the Rio Chama meets the Nutrias river. I could imagine both of those rivers at full stream back in the day when F.F. was a fishing guide on the river. heavy loads! Now the best part where the treasure is> If you look on the BLM land for the Rio Chama on the web. Then look up maps it has a Legend Look at the Legend and look for Trail The Trail is the Blaze and it leads just south of the Nutrias river to a no camping zone. I f you go back to the legend you will see where you can camp private and public lands in pink. The trail is a single dotted line. Know I have never been to this site I know I told you all that I found it and I believe I have. At this site there is a parking lot and at the north end of the parking lot I think the Trail might go across water. The trail leads back towards the Nutrias river. If you have been wise and Found the blaze look quickly down your quest to cease. So here me all and listen good. Your effort will be worth the cold. If you are brave and in the wood I give you title to the gold! So I have tried to get there twice on the road that F.F. took the 303 off 84 , You would need a 4 wheel drive. Back to the gold. It will be worth the cold if you are brave and in the wood! I think it is in the tree roots in the water or you have to swim through the tree roots like I said I have never been there but I did get a live satellite feed the first day I was looking and I believe there could be a small cove here. Anyway take a wet suit and maybe a rebreather or an airplane oxygen tank a mask and a bright flash light or two. I don’t know how deep it is or how far under the land you my have to go. Remember F.F. was a fighter Pilot He could hold his breath for a long time. At 80 years old. Hope you guys find the gold and if you do I need a new Truck and a plane about 70 grand total Arthur Teems 12274 Crusader pl. Port Saint Lucie Florida 34987 Good Luck I was going to give it to the Smithsonian!

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    • inthechaseto- thanks for posting that. they say not sure if the parasite was brought by humans or birds. sad for the fish yes, but just think of the millions of happy water borne baby bugs!

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  5. I am relieved that the finally found Randy. Hopefully the family can eventually find peace and move on with their lives. I came back to the Chase to help find him and I offered my professional SAR experience, but more importantly I tried to prevent searchers from becoming killed looking for him. That was my biggest fear, I did not want to say anything at the time but reporting a person 10 days overdue seldom produces positive results and that is why the SAR teams shut down after a few days. There never was much hope with that kind of delay. He was doomed from the beginning.

    Hopefully people can learn from this and not let Randy’s death go for not. We cannot search alone, We must leave detailed travel plans and we need to carry reliable communication equipment. Cell phones are unreliable if they fall in the water and they very seldom have coverage in mountainous terrain.

    It was admirable to see people searching for Randy, but I could see the same greed for gold, affecting the searchers for Randy. John Brown seemed like it was his personal goal to find Randy for the glory or it and he almost killed another man doing so and he had to me evacuated by helicopter to a hospital.

    I see it all the time, everyone wants to be a hero and their efforts to be the hero often endanger more lives than the ones they are looking for.

    RIP Randy you will not be forgotten. Searchers wake up and see what is going on here!

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    • Wolf –

      Good advice ………..

      Since Randy was found upstream from where the raft was do you think he had a mishap at the rapids and somehow the raft and Leo made it further down stream and to shore – then the wind blew the raft to where it was found.

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    • Thanks, Geydelkon. I enjoyed it very much. Fascinating history. Some people you just want to pick their brains…you know…in the good sense of that expression…not in the George Armstrong Custer sense. 🙂

      A Jefferson Peace Medal…tossed in the corner. :/

      I love stopping in to see the beadwork in the new Shoshone-Bannock Hotel and Chief’s Event Center at Fort Hall.

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  6. news- in my phone conversation with geydelkon he indicated to me that he was not interested in second place so, its still open. as well as third.

    good luck shutterbugs!

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  7. the dress Judy wore in wizard of oz fetched a buck and a half.

    I like the way they say fetch when something is sold at auction. fetch. you hear that word a lot on the antiques roadshow too. along with provenance. whatever that means i dont know. and patina. what does that mean?

    if i ever go to an auction i want to buy something so i can bring it home and when my friends come over to see it i can say…”Look at this, I fetched it at an auction the other day. It has no patina but clearly the provenance is original”.
    I can see jaws dropping already.

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  8. Congratulations Spallies, thats awesome news! Best thing ever, we get to love them without all the stress of being the parent. 🙂 Best treasure ever thought of.

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  9. Ah Yes, our very own “American Pharoah” will be racing today in the travelers stakes at Saratoga NY. Go Pharoah ———

    Yes, they misspelled his name and we know how easy that is to do …lol

    How many think horses are involved in the chase? After all there are several photos of horses in the book…………. Lightning or was that thunder.

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    • My son lives In Saratoga. He took my 2 year old grandson down to watch the parade . 🙂

      I have no idea if horses are involved. Anything is possible.

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          • Well yes Deb, something very special… My first grandchild arrived about a month ago… He has stolen my heart!!! But you already know how that feels if you have a two year old grandson… 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  10. It is very quit in people searching for the chest. After I reviewed other sites the participation seems to be very low. It seems that there needs to be a change to come. Perhaps Forrest can toss us a bone to chew on.
    Anyway, I have been getting much needed rest but I am still working on my website. Trying to keep all the bots away from trying to access the site. Bots can produce about 200 to 500 hits a day. It can reach up to 1000’s if there is a buzz going on. Eats up the bandwidth…ugh.

    This site is the best for specific information relating to the location of the chest. Just need more of the veteran players to chime in more often.
    Mike I plugged you in on my site. I don’t know when it will launch. Still a lot of things to do on it. Trying to find people to run certain sections is a challenge.
    So anyone solve the Poem?

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    • Hello, Into. Is anyone really surprised? To add insult to injury…the lackadaisical attitude of those responsible is infuriating. Some people postulate that not only did they know that it might happen but that they allowed it to happen to qualify for A LOT more money. That sounds about right.

      Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money.

      What’s especially annoying to me is these incompetent government workers…and sub-contractors…get paid very well…with health insurance plans…and great retirement packages…and paid vacations and sick leave…and work vehicles…and cell phones…and travel and food compensation…and overtime…and “hazard pay” (like working around “toxic” materials)…and fixed work hours…the list goes on and on. And they get PAID not FIRED to keep doing it.

      Here’s another example:

      abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ap-exclusive-california-measure-fails-create-green-jobs-33125600

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      • JC –

        Absolutely correct. Your major problem in Calif – is your sinking.

        Here’s the thing with the EPA

        1. They were told and it was also printed in the Silverton News – that this would happen two weeks BEFORE it occurred.

        2. The owner of the mine pleaded with the EPA not to do this -BEFORE the occurrence, as this had happened at another mine he owned, and the EPA threatened him with a 35,000 dollar a day fine.

        So someone is either a total idiot or wanted it to happen. I know to follow the money but fail to see how this would benefit the EPA.

        There needs to be some huge changes in our government and soon. I really think people are finally beginning to wake up. The appointed officials by Obama are a joke.

        Oh and one more thing – the EPA is stopping it’s water hauling to the Indian Nation – you got your 7 days.

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    • into- ive been wanting to comment on the mine disaster, but holding back because its really not chase related. but maybe it is in that its just another human blunder to cause pain to mother earth. and destroy a section of our search area. just as the mining of the gold in the first place. which, nobody will complain about, like drilling for oil. we like the commodities gold and oil and other essential elements bring, necessary for modern society. the side effects of greedy human endeavor will be dealt with harshly by mother nature against humans. mother nature moves so slowly that we wont see it coming and POOF! we will be gone. she works slowly and effectively. human existence will amount to a wink in the eternity of space. just add this spill to a long list of grievances that mother nature is reviewing in preparation for the elimination of humans. look at mars, a dead earth. and perhaps venus is a young earth. we will run out of everything eventually. there is nothing new under the sun to quote solomon. i guess im trying to say chill out into, there are worse disasters coming. if long-term human existence was the goal, then the indians had it right. until we messed it up. i think.

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  11. There are two lines of thinking when it comes to the Fenn treasure.
    1) Those who think it is a matter of matching 9 random clues, analogous to buying a lottery ticket or randomly spinning a Rubics cube.
    2) Those that feel Fenn invested time in his poem and the chase and participates actively and to use all available information to guide and confirm the clues.

    Goofy and Davis are big proponents of number 1 to the point where they feel they are smarter than everyone else including Fenn. Looking at anything else is chasing rabbit holes.

    Many others feel that Mr. Fenn invested considerable time into this chase and he actively participates and hides clues in other forms.

    I am convinced the latter is true, I will happily debate this concept on neutral territory.
    Mr. Fenn’s statement from Mysterious writings:
    1) I don’t want to broaden the clues and hints I’ve written about by pointing them out. What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.

    Is a very strong indication there are other techniques he is using but it is up to the seeker to discover them. I believe many suspect but have not been able to put it together. In my book, “Finding Forrest Fenn” I talk in great detail about Fenn’s other techniques.

    One concept that I feel fits perfectly into Fenn’s methodology is to find a way to place hints in your face. So obvious that they are ignored, until the treasure is found and then people slap themselves in the face because Fenn had been hinting all along.

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  12. I have posted a poem word summary. www.findingfenn.com/#!The-Prediction-Poem-Analysis/cam/55d6a2fe0cf2174523e2d69f

    It goes through he poem line by line highlighting the words used to support the solution.

    I believe Mr. Fenn’s statements:
    “The poem in my book is something that I changed over and over again. When you read the poem it looks like just, just simple words there. But I guarantee you that I worked on that. I felt like an architect drawing that poem.”
    “They’re contiguous.”
    “The poem is really not so much written as it is an architectural plan. It’s been crafted. It reads very simple.”
    “The person that finds it,” Fenn said, “is going to be a person who thinks and plans and has an analytical mind and uses logic, not someone who has a hunch.”

    -indicate there is something special other than random fit to the clues. I feel his solution is elegant. The use of “it” and a continuous flow from one clue to the other helps to build confidence. For example, from halt to train to Brown to Flying, etc.

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    • Wolf –

      I’m not here to say if your final solve is right or wrong – I’m here to say it’s perfectly amazing. !!

      Why the 23rd for our calendar – ?

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      • Why thank you very much into – that means a lot to me and makes the effort worthwhile.

        The 23 Sep is the autumn equinox. There are two windows of Opportunity – Spring Equinox as the poem states or Fall. The shadow will match either and Sept 23 in the next window.

        When I look at Fenn’s book cover of TFTW, I now look at it with a whole new light – if you know what I mean.

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        • Awesome – I hope you have boots on the ground then and find it. I have a feeling it will be found soon.

          Question – did you ever tell FF of your solve?

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        • wolf- I used the shadow theory too when Bur and I searched Buffalo Bill’s gravesite in Golden CO. using the american flag high on a flagpole as the blaze, I looked quickly down to the shadow it cast. tracked it from sunrise to sunset and used a metal detector along the entire arc and beyond. even used the full moon shadow. yeah. how about that for some serious searching?

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          • Hey Lucky Dog, I thought long and hard about the summer solstice – Suzanne Somers hints, and the return from Vietnam to meek his family on Christmas day, but then I reminded myself the poem has to tell the seeker when it is. His hints of circles and TS Eliot return to the beginning made sense that I should go back to the beginning to find spring (Warm Springs) . That is Why FF says:
            “You’ll never find it that way (with hoB, etc.). You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.”
            “But where do warm waters halt? Only the Phantom knows”.
            “All of this cyberspace verbiage is conspicuous by the absence of talk about where warm waters halt.”
            “You have to know where warm waters halt.”
            “The most common mistake that I see searchers make is that they underestimate the importance of the first clue.”
            “The treasure is still where I hid it and with winter snows coming soon its location will probably remain unknown, at least until spring.”

            One other thing not poem related: he hid the treasure chest when he was 79 or 80. The Julian calendar those numbers represent first day of Spring. Also the 265 gold coins in the treasure chest represents the first day of Fall. Coincidences yes, but he could have put any number of coins in the treasure but he chose that number and talks about it a lot.

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          • Wolf,
            TS Eliot led me to the Summer Solstice. Some day I’ll release my solve and you will see how it ties together. I’m not ready to give it up yet. I just haven’t been able to get back out there to finish the job.

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    • wolf- no no i’m not blastin away either. me and into are parallel thinkers. thats really amazing what youve found. ok, september 23, at the statue, can I come too? how about a metal detector? need one? I’m thinking a week before and after the 23rd would be ok too wouldnt it? I mean the shadow wont move that much will it? and if the 23rd happens to be overcast all day, you still got it covered.

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      • Parallel thinkers – there is a reason they call this site the A-team. There are many good thinkers on this site.

        Fenn said a metal detector would help if you were in exactly the right spot. That said it is a construction zone so I am sure the place is littered with other metal that will give false alerts. You bring up a good point about the clouds. I estimated where it will be with some physics – it just happen to be out the 42 degree radial same as a rainbow (funny how somethings work out). There is one other little thing one needs to think about in order to find the correct spot (the finder still has to earn it).

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    • Wolf, since you’ve mastered a phenomenal Butte America solve – allow a Montanan to offer you some friendly advice.

      Do your metal detecting at Mary’s feet after midnight. Locals would beat the cr@p out of you for that sacrilege. if you are hungry and thirsty Butte is known for Pork-chop Johns and pasties (turnover filled with stew), and tough Irish Catholics who can drink until you drop. and don’t take to strangers. Learn how to fight before raising a pint to Fenn at the M&M. Okay, now enjoy your search 🙂 kidding, no not really.

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      • HA! That is funny Anna. It is awesome to talk to such a knowledgable Montanan, I am now inspired to write a “Case for Butte” blog. I need to make a trip down there and libate with those wild Irish Catholics!

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        • Wolf, while there is truth in all jest, I’m kidding about the folks in Butte. There are terrific people there, but they are known for being tough.

          I love that there is a lamb rock at Mary’s feet – sort of a reverse image of Mary at the foot of the Cross of Jesus. I remember when Mary was placed atop the mount in Butte how proud Montanans of faith were.

          You may have been moderated, but at least you weren’t threatened like 42 was. I don’t think she’ll take lightly that kind of cr@p. I wonder if dal or f had anything to do with it since the email said ‘Dal and I think your solve is idiotic and called her a moron.’ She hasn’t showed much of that solve to anyone but forrest. Just the exit info which was intelligent and well thought out. Anyway Wolf, I’ll be curious to see your prediction on 9-23. Until then, not sure how interested I am to continue following blogs since I’m no longer searching or solving the poem.

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          • Anna,
            That is too bad about 42, I really like her input and people should listen to what she has to say. I am surprised she got an email, if she gave her email on any of the blogs it could be anyone writing to her. If not, I really don’t see Forrest doing that, no track record form him. I don’t see Dal writing that kind of stuff. However, based on the words used, I can very easily imagine Goofy talking like that because that is how he talks on the blog.

            Dal’s blog has a lot of potential, but I noticed the top seekers out there do not contribute as much as they could. Goofy gives no latitude, if he doesn’t like what you say, he jumps to conclusions and insinuates “So you say FF is lying” (code for shut up or I will nuke you).

            With Goofy at the helm, he has reduced that blog to a muffin recipe exchange centre. 😉

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      • Speaking of at her feet, there is a rock called “Lamb rock” at the base of the statue’s feet, named after a rock that looked like a lamb when they come the site.

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    • Wolf, your solutions and predictions are always well thought out. Your OWLewis chalice blaze was my favorite because it looks just like the June snow-filled chalice blaze on Lone Mountain Montana where 42 and I formed our joint solution.

      Warm springs Montana is a tougher sell for me. I was raised in MT and toured the MT state mental institution in Warm Springs in 1978 as required for my High school AP Psychology class. The facility was archaic at the time and the most disturbing day of my entire life. We were locked inside concrete walls with the most seriously mental ill patients. Sorry Wolf I can’t take that tour again even for gold nuggets.

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      • Ha! That was funny. Forrest said many people thought he was crazy for hiding the chest. In my book I talk about why he claimed to be mentally beat up after the war.

        So I fully understand why one would avoid that location. However it is the Anaconda smelter and tailings pond worth a closer look. Remember this is the beginning of “it” and Fenn can’t help where it began.

        Thus it explains why WWWH has been so illusive. But be patient (pun intended)!

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        • Wolf – I’ve always believed stream ecology and polluted aquifers are important in Fenn’s solution. But IMO headwaters which have always been sacred to Native Americans, are the key to wwwh at 33 degrees. Additionally, after nearly two years of studying forrest fenn, the middle fork of correct headwaters is the place to begin. Middle fork, middle of the canyon, middle of the section, middle of the butte, (maybe in the middle of an egg shaped cavern or barrel vault)

          Has anyone here found stories backwards in the poem? How about the Gin Warder reaver? aka pirates hiding treasure in gin barrels. No joke, its there backwards for you to find.

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          • Hi Anna,
            My book is available in any country in the world. The price is in US dollars but if you go to Amazon or Smashwords they will adjust it for the country that you are in.

            My site is specifically set up for USA but if you pay with Visa or Paypal the conversion will occur if you are not from the USA.

            You may purchase it here:
            www.findingfenn.com/#!books/cnec

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    • Wolf –

      I loved the spot about you ! I didn’t realize you were a C-130 pilot. When I went from McMurdo Station Antarctica – to the South Pole – I had the time of my life – riding in the cockpit of that same plane. It was so thrilling for me. I could not believe how big the windows were. You know when they get to the pole they never turn the engines off. They carry extra fuel and unload it into big bladders in case of a lay over and to build up supplies of fuel. To be a search and rescue pilot must have been amazing.

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    • yeah wolf, that was good stuFF! now we know more about the searcher who got rescued in YNP. seems darrell has some real problems, mainly vision. I dont think Fenns bronze box is enough to help him….maybe no amount of money.

      fenn’s treasure is inside, and not associated with the structure. I think

      Yoda- must find treasure within before can find treasure out.

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  13. Off Topic…………..

    Our very own EPA has caused a MAJOR mine disaster in the Animas River. No one seems to think this is a big deal – I do.

    My husband and I are currently camped by the Animas River. It is a putrid color of orange. It is carrying Arsenic, lead, and many other poisons from the King mine in Silverton. The EPA two days later has decided to trap some fish to see what it will do to them. Would you eat a fish that has been swimming in Arsenic? As the river is going down in volume here, the sludge will remain on the edges of the river – until the high water runoff next spring.

    I don’t know yet what it is doing to New Mexico, Utah and then on to CA.

    This is not good.

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    • I have it on good authority this leak is effecting well water with in a 60 mile radius of the Animas River so the San Juan River in New Mexico will be effected too – it’s now on the way to Utah and then Lake Powell.

      Officials here are being bad………….

      It’s a lot more than one million gallons – the epa ought to learn how to multiply.

      Silverton and San Juan County officials have resisted efforts to launch a full-scale federal “Superfund” cleanup to address this problem due to fears of a stigma that could hurt the tourism they count on for business.

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    • They didnt notify NM until 2 days after it happened, when the local news station started asking questions. On our end they are attempting to flush it out with more water released from reservoirs.

      Many communities along the river depend on the river for part of their drinking water. But the real problem will be for people on well water. So its not just the animals, its also the people impacted.

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        • Deb –

          They didn’t notify anyone in time at all – they had 24 hours to do that where I am. All the farmers along the way – only shut off water when they saw it was orange. They are not in their houses watching TV. So what is that going to do to hay and other crops. The feds should have been called in immediately. I blame the head of the EPA for that one. She ought to get her head out of her ass.

          It is a major disaster with long term consequences. Don’t you think the officials would be more concerned about public health than the almighty dollar? When are they going to release the water test. It takes three days to do that? Boy, I feel for everyone effected. Finally, they have totally shut down the Animas to all activity of any kind.

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    • Fortunately FENN and company , use all of us to engineer against the NSA as to where that chest is, they thought in the River Animas and tributaries , but , Fenn and company keep it on the move , it contains the real codex as well as the rest.

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        • hey into! this is mikes blog remember? Crowdog can say whatever they want to.

          its OK now crowdog, you are free to enlighten us with as much nonsense as you desire. I havent nominated a searcher of the month in a long time. you are the front runner at present. tell us where you think the chest is.

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          • Well i find it amazing that FF has been cancer free this long amazing I am thankful , but i think he came across something like in those spices or the codex- as he is Suzanne Sommers friend and she has a great book out called Knockout! I think in that jar in the chest may very well hide new riches as well as those of the old.

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          • crowdog- i guess you dont know me very well but I happen to be proud of my nonsense comments. and the few that make sense too.

            ok, i’ll take five, and practice my lines.

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    • Deb- I think “grandfather” played by Chief Dan George, a canadian btw, was a cheyenne contrary too. he calls her “doesn’t like horses” because she does like horses.
      like he said sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesnt. lol I dont know who the actress is that played “snake woman” but her facial expression alone, when they leave to go to the top of the mountain, is perfect. she didnt have to say a word to convey her feelings.

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  14. Got it!!! Underwater, fake skeletons positioned having a tea party ( with Olga aka Goal) at the bottom of the Colorado river!!! And what’s that resting on one the skeletal fella’s laps…? If anyone gets there before me after using this info,. you should share with Ol’ Argus.

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    • The Wolf – I am still considering changing my blog handle to “Dante”. People are still reading him,…right? And the officials of Florence have been long forgotten. Being here on TTOTC.com,…in exile,…from Dal’s blog,…has been so much FUN for me! As it appears to have been for Dante. 🙂

      And I reveal parts of my solutions,…every day,…or hadn’t you noticed??? It might be overwhelming to divulge them all at once. And putting ALL of my various solves,…for my Forrest’s Plan A and Forrest’s Plan B locations,…might hose the speed of Mike’s blog here. I haven’t even BEGUN to tell you all of them,…or to finish the ones that I did tell you about (like the Knights Templar Solve). This is two long years of work….

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      • Deb – LOL!!!! And I DO love bunnies enough to do that. Collin’s Red Tail Boa is going to get a house call from the Eagle I saw at the river,…if he thinks about starting to feed it bunnies. I told him not to answer the door if he hears a voice on the other side say, “Candygram”. 🙂

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  15. Everyone – It looks like that OTHER Diggin Gypsy is planning to be on TV again,…with Mindy and Jamie this time (with the Producer of “Buying Alaska” and “Yukon Men”):

    dalneitzel.com/2015/04/08/the-nine-clues-20/#comment-83278

    Except for one thing…..

    E on April 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm said:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Mindy – Yeah,…great idea. Except the Bronze Chest will be retrieved from its hidey spot,…by the time the film crew gets out there with you. And the rest of us will be at The Chase Victory Party,…pretty nearby,…so you can just come over there afterward. 😉

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    • Everyone – Did I write “Yukon Men”,…I meant “Yukon Gold”,…Oops! I have been talking to my barista about her plans to move to Alaska,…which made me remember that the ratio of men to women is 10 to 1,…which made me remember seeing this calendar, previously:

      www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/750307

      If you don’t see me posting here any longer,…then you’ll know where I’ve gone. 🙂

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  16. The Wherewarmwatershalt.com website is going to change again in about a month. I’ve been talking with its creators, and they are very tight lipped and cryptic. They were also pleasant and helpful and I got the impression that they are definitely in on the chase. They asked ME questions, and seemed impressed that I had tracked them down. They said they could not tell me who had commissioned them to create the site. They wanted to know where I have searched for the treasure. They also cleared up a couple of things regarding their site that I had questions about. I am going to play those tid-bits pretty close to the chest though. There were also several things they said they could not reveal to me. I think this site is important. It’s my belief that it was FF who commissioned them to create the site.

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    • Well that’s funny Argus because I just DL’d Quick Stego and the picture from the website has no hidden text in it that the program could find. What’s your true purpose with this I wonder? 😯

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      • Im even more curious who Laurie Williams and Eric Edwards are. The photo on the website mentions them SPECIFICALLY if you open the specific picture in Notepad.

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      • Save the picture I posted on this site, and put it into the Quick Stego thing. If you don’t have any luck with that, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe it got removed because someone (me) found it. If I’m the only one who sees this message, I will definitely be playing it very close to the chest! 🙂

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        • Here’s the problem with what you’re saying Argus. If that is your photo that you found the message in and then linked it here…then the message is STILL in the photo, it cannot be removed. So unless you can actually prove it, then there is no message …sorry 🙁

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          • Hmmm I saved that photo long before he mentioned it, will try it on the other computer. Tablets are worthless for this stuff.

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      • My apologies. Everything I’ve said about that site is true. Except,…the part about finding a secret message in the picture. Well, actually it IS true that I found a message, but it now seems that I have fallen prey to an insensitive prank played on me by a family member! Believe me! The fit hit the shan when I found THAT out! 😉

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  17. I really love this site. It’s been very fun and helpful in my Chase. But I’ve been noticing over the last few months a huge increase in off topic conversation happening throughout the site. I’m not complaining or chastising, I’m just pointing it out. I have to say though that it does make finding the “Chase information” much harder because you have to sift through all of this non-related, good-natured banter in order to even get to it. I wonder why this is happening.

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    • ARGUS =

      It could be because some of the tags are so long that they don’t even load. For instance “The Poem” takes forever to load and I just am tired of waiting.

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    • I agree with Into and I think that not enough people are posting, leaving just a few to try and keep it going.

      As to what they post, until we figure out what is relative we really dont know what is on topic.

      Its all interpretive, ideas arent really linear.

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  18. Hi searchers ,
    I just want to wish everyone a happy new year , and maybe a very prosperous one to some lucky person who has managed to solve the chase . Good luck to everyone .

    Rebel

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  19. All, Lia was asking about my book of adventures “Finding Fenn” and I remember (42) wanted a paragraph or something from it until it was published. I am sorry this is taking so long, and since it is Christmas the season of giving, here is my opening paragraph of the book. Let me know what you think, I am open to change feel free to voice your opinion:

    “The agony of defeat became excruciatingly painful. Months of research, consulting lawyers, appeasing ownership laws and devising the ultimate plan had just been wiped out by a single, yet trivial event. I am feeling my “treasure hunting career” is rapidly coming to an abrupt halt, and we are not talking warm waters type halt either! The realization that I once again disappointed another family member had become too much to bear. I had just been dealt four cards and a joker and I must play them whether I like it or not. Wait! I did not travel all this way to fail; not on my watch! This maverick is about to make the biggest play this million dollar poker game “The Chase” has ever seen. This will be the biggest gamble of my life. This will be our finest hour!”

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    • [tap, tap] Is this thing on? [tap,tap] Anybody out there?

      Ok, I get it, its not a good opening paragraph, I thought I would try it out and see what everyone thought. Oh well back to the drawing board … dang I think this is going to delay me another two months – lol
      The Wolf

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      • “Hello? Check? Is that better? Can everybody hear me? You up on the shelf…can you hear me? Great!”

        “C’mon, guys (Bob). Every Christmas and birthday we go through this!”

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=seQhXO2g7BE

        “What matters is that we’re here for Andy (Bob) when he needs us. That’s what we’re made for, right?”

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          • That’s alright, Spallies. The Wolf and I do have a few things in common. I can see how you might get us confused. I do that all the time on the blogs…seriously. It’s easy to do. “Birds of a feather flock together”, they say. I hope you had a Merry Christmas. I had to work all day Christmas Eve and all day today as well. In fact, I only came home to pick up some tools and eat a quick dinner before it’s back to work for a few more hours tonight.

            One day I tell ya…one day. I just hope “retirement” doesn’t mean I’m six feet under. 🙂

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  20. E*:
    JC1117 – I really enjoyed that video,…thank you!

    This is what I viewed yesterday,…when I was bored,…because I didn’t know what book to read next:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgok8PDV9Fc

    I hope those Canadian pilots-in-training got it right,…in the end,…or else the physics of Galilleo and Newton,…became very personal for them!

    E* – that brings back old memories. I remember when they filmed that. In fact last year I was on an operation and I met that student Shamus and another instructor pilot on the show. He is an instructor now.
    The Wolf

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      • Thanks guys, we are in this together. This is a picture of me and Shamus from “Jetstream” the other instructor to my right is “Vlad”. If you watch the whole series you will see more of him.

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        • The Wolf – I noted the synchronicity of all that,…my happening to watch that video,…and posting it,…and you just happening to know Shamus. I liked the calm dialog,…between instructor and student:

          Instructor (Noodle): Wanna bring it in a little closer that that.
          Shamus: Little close than that? Roger.
          Noodle: Just relax a little bit. Should be able to do this with two fingers.
          Shamus: Alright.

          I wonder what Shamus’s inner dialog sounded like??? 😉

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          • The Wolf – I enjoyed reading about Forrest’s flying adventure,…where it appears he exhibited HIS talent,…for getting in real close to Devil’s Tower,…in this page about the Crooke County Cache site:

            dalneitzel.com/2014/11/09/scrapbook-one-hundred-four/
            (See: The Sunrise Mine/Chapter 8)

            After flying past the western wall of Devil’s Tower, Fenn asked, “Well, Jack, did you get a good look at the tower?”

            Holland was speechless.

            “We were so close, I could see the feldspar crystals in the rock, ” Haynes commented.

            “Crystals!” I excitedly replied. “I could see ants on the crystals.”

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          • That is AWESOME, E*. Single seat? I reckon I won’t be going for a ride in one of those…EVER! On the bright side though, the pilot never has to deal with a backseat driver. 🙂

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          • Tom- yes, that’s what I’m saying. How can it be his if someone else used it four years before TTOTC?

            And here’s something else to think about. The same photo in TTOTC has no caption like…”my treasure chest” or “my trove” or “my treasure” nothing of the sort. You won’t find it on Dals blog either. That photo has never been positively identified as the “treasure” we seek. The poem makes no mention of a bronze box.
            We are actually looking for a chest and the definition of a chest is a large wooden box.

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          • Bob – I believe the Homily the Father posted on his personal site (which has a copy write date of 2014 at the bottom) was written back in August of 2007,…but he decided fairly recently to add Forrest’s Bronze Chest photo with contents,…to illustrate his point on his website. Here is the URL for the jpg (note that the date is August 2013):

            buildingontheword.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/treasure.jpg

            I kinda knew that probably was the case,…since I upload photos all the time,…don’t I? 😉

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          • E- so you think that photo is the case too?
            Don’t be fooled! FF told us to define terms- chest, box, now case. All used casually could mean the same thing but we must follow precisely! Follow me?

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          • E- yes that was a nice find for Dal. In that photo he took, two trees in the background Dal was careful not to include the F carved in the tree. He’s smart that way.

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      • Ironically…I live right here. “father smiga” is from “Fenn College” @CSU in Cleveland. (Home of the Browns). A descendant of the founding “Fenn” who is buried with Garfield, Rockefeller, and Eloit Ness in lake view cemetery. He was a partner in Sherwin-Williams Paint. “Father Fenn” who authored this article and teaches there now also published his books out of Toledo (not sure if they reached 300 miles west though haha) Fenn College has quite and interesting “creative poetry course of studies” ….I could go on quite awhile with this…even into Squaw Rock but I’ll spare you the whole novel 😉

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    • @ Circumstance, you asked for feedback on the following:

      “Where your treasure is there will your heart be also.” tells us that what we treasure will control our hearts. What we value will determine the way that we live.

      Whether you ascribe to Judeo Christian beliefs or not, this is truth you can live by.

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  21. I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE FOUND THE TREASURE AND THAT EVEN AS I TYPE THIS, PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF IS BEING PREPARED!!!

    ….I would really, really like to announce that…. I surely would….. ( Sorry. Post-voting boredom has caused me to resort to hijinks and Tom-foolery…) 😉

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        • ARGUS33 – If you are bored,…AND say that the Bronze Chest is located directly above the center of the Earth,…I suggest you look into the writings of Lewis Carroll,…Silvie and Bruno, Chapter 7 to be exact,…and the gravity-powered train:

          upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Gravity_elevator.gif

          Chapter 7
          At the Hall, the narrator finds Muriel with a man called “Mein Herr”, who has a beard and a German accent. He bears a remarkable resemblance to the Professor. He shows them Fortunatus’s Purse, and describes a gravity-powered train, a method of storing up extra time so that nobody ever gets bored, a carriage with oval wheels (with the end of one wheel corresponding to the side of the wheel opposite it, so that the carriage rises, falls, rolls, and pitches, and so anybody in the carriage gets vomitingly sick) He also describes a carriage designed to prevent runaway horses from getting anywhere. Oddly enough, nobody seems to remember where they first met “Mein Herr”, nor what his real name is, nor where he lives, nor where he’s from. Lady Muriel admits that she never realised what a mysterious man he is until she met the narrator. A party is planned.

          What Hooke and Newton did when THEY got bored:

          www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express/

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          • “Massive global dumbwaiter”
            Reminiscent of Dr. Evil and his plan to drill a hole to the center of the earth releasing hot magma to destroy all of humanity. If they didn’t pay the ransom.
            Plate tectonics causing delays, brown outs, subterranean way, look, does it really matter to get down to china that quickly?

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          • Bob – Hmmm,…”brown outs”,…and the “home of Brown” is NOT below a Dam,…but how about below a RESERVOIR???!!!:

            dalneitzel.com/2013/06/19/forrest-gets-mail-4/

            Forrest,

            Just cause you will probably get a laugh…i spent hours last night with those numbers below…i added them, multiplied them, found a pattern, try latitudes, hardshad #, morse code, applied it to the alphabet, searched zip codes, elevations, phone codes etc…dreamt of numbers and woke up this morning and said. If Hegben was that deep it would reach China and have a drainage hole, all the water would leak out and if you did plunk it at Hegbens depth then I could just walk around and find it. Giggles.

            Here’s a lady who may find the treasure because she has done the math and knows exactly where it is. f

            So China is the “home of Brown”! Was that photo of all the Brown Trout laying on the ground in a circle,…that Forrest’s father caught at Hegben Lake,…in TTOTC or in TFTW? If the lake reached China (or somewhere just off the coast of Australia, more accurately),…all those Brown Trout would be going “quickly down” (in 42 minutes and 12 seconds) on the Gravity Train,…straight into the ocean,…where they could live freely,…and then they could return every year to Hegben Lake to spawn. Wouldn’t that be fun for them?

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          • JC1117 – I really enjoyed that video,…thank you!

            This is what I viewed yesterday,…when I was bored,…because I didn’t know what book to read next:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgok8PDV9Fc

            I hope those Canadian pilots-in-training got it right,…in the end,…or else the physics of Galilleo and Newton,…became very personal for them!

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          • LOL, E*! “…and then there’s the backseat driver.” I forgot all about the “backseat driver” idea in a fighter jet. I bet Forrest is glad he never had to deal with that. He’d probably think he was babysitting all the time. What a funny concept!

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    • Arguss33 ….perhaps you should channel your uncontrollable energy to sound off by sharing some of your actual findings. Or perhaps you may want to come down from the mountains and find your way back to a couch. Just a thought.

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  22. Fellow searchers:
    Those if you whoom follow this blog know that recently I contacted The one and only FF himsef to ask him to join me on a search. As I reported, he undiscraisfully declined. Be so it, never the less, I continue ondaunted. My query was a huge sucess. Since he refuses to join me for a thrill of the chase, to me that meens I’m close! Had he (FF) said ok Bob I’ll go, then, I have no chance of finding said box. I’m connived into believing that the chest is in fakt in Telluride! So you read, fellow chasers that it is wise for the hound to put on a dress! I am that hound.
    Happy Halloween !

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    • Bob….too bad Forest declined. IMO if he had said yes you wouldn’t have needed coordinates.

      Going back to my solve…..I don’t believe Forrest was happy about my GE picture findings. In an email from him he noted that he had told searchers the treasure could not be seen on GE. My findings were a contradiction to that. Forrest also sent me an email saying “thank you for not divulging your findings….it would only confuse people”. Does anyone find this comment odd?…..I do. I recently directed two professional graphic artists/photographer/videographers to the GE photo and both of them responded to me with a “yes”….the markings on the image in the photo definitely match the treasure chest.

      The photographer that took the photo claims that he knows nothing about the image in the photo. I have another idea up my sleeve regarding our find. Forrest will be proud of me……………not.

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      • Tom- a lot of what FF says seems odd. It’s the nature of a puzzle maker.

        So what if he’s not happy with what you publish? You’re here to find the treasure not make friends and if your findings stimulate creative thought in others then I say good job. I’ve thought for a long time that the lines- “effort worth cold” and “brave and in the wood” meant that no matter what FF says we keep going. It’s a test of endurance, just like Osbourne, Lewis,Clark. FF will throw things at you trying to make you quit the chase, when you are close. Whom does he publicly admire? Those who don’t show a chance of finding the box. It’s part of a plan of longevity for the game. And Dal is helping him to do just that. I think it’s better this way, I love a challenge. Stay your course Tom, come hell or high water! Believe me, it will be cold in Forrest!
        Lol, GAME ON OLD MAN!

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          • Tom- I’m sure there were and probably stii are a bunch of folks trying to find that chest on google earth. Probably even military types with acess to the best equipment. It would not surprise me to learn that FF was behind what you found. If he was, then I say bravo to you Tom and FF as well. Remember he has said that “searchers want an answer”….so, he gives them one. This photo you found may be along that same line of thinking, he gave the google earth folks an answer in the form of a photo. It’s all just part of the game, I think.

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        • I really don’t care what Forrest thinks anymore. I guess I did at one time but the way things have unfolded have made me change my thinking. I don’t trust Forrest and I certainly don’t trust Dal. Forrest made a statement indicating that he has never given anyone a clue…….not true. When we were leaving after meeting him in Santa Fe he made a statement and said “and that’s a clue”. Clue, hint whatever but It confirmed an approach we were taking in our search. He even wrote it in my brothers TOTC book. As I noted at one point earlier, Forrest knew all of our moves and findings. In retrospect I see this was probably a huge mistake. My opinion on Fenn has changed. I don’t believe he is truthful. IMO he is a master of disguises. The majority seem to treat him like he is a king of some sort. I certainly think he deserves recognition for his military services but beyond that…..????.

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        • Bob –

          Scarlett: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?
          Rhett Butler: I’m going back to Charleston, back where I belong.
          Scarlett: Please, please take me with you!
          Rhett Butler: No, I’m through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn’t something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I’m talking about?
          Scarlett: No! I only know that I love you.
          Rhett Butler: That’s your misfortune.
          [Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]
          Scarlett: Oh, Rhett!
          [Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]
          Scarlett: Rhett!
          [runs down the stairs after Rhett]
          Scarlett: Rhett, Rhett!
          [catches him as he’s walking out the front door]
          Scarlett: Rhett… if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?
          Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
          [Rhett walks off into the fog]

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          • E- here’s a little known fun fact about that famous scene, written by Margaret Mastiff, and those famous words spoken by Rhett Bassett to Scarlett O’Hound. Of course the portrayal of Rhett, a mans man, true to himself and no other created by Margaret, said something different, which had to be toned down for the 1939 viewing audience. His line originally written was “frankly my dear, you can go lick yourself”.

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          • Bob – Yes,…she wrote, “kiss” and “kissing” and “kissed”,…in Rhett’s lines below,…but forgot to change the “lick” in Scarlett’s (for the sanitized 1939 version):

            Rhett Butler: No, I don’t think I will kiss you, although you need kissing, badly. That’s what’s wrong with you. You should be kissed and often, and by someone who knows how.

            Scarlett: As God is my witness, as God is my witness they’re not going to lick me. I’m going to live through this and when it’s all over, I’ll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I’ll never be hungry again.

            p.s. You better get your butt to Telluride to retrieve that Bronze Chest quick-like, Bob,…because there may be another tornado there,…and then it will be, “Gone With The Wind”. 🙂

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          • Hey E I’m working on it! My flight is booked, rental car reserved, I’m ready just have to wait.
            I’m more concerned about Windsurfer beating me there than a tornado, gone with the wind.

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          • E- the bronze box and Telluride can wait for me, I’ve got time.
            Look what I found in the trash, talk about a waste of time!
            And didn’t Forrest see a time magazine in the trash? Now that’s a waste of time!
            Bear with me E, I’ll cut to the chase, eventually.

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          • Bob – Love the Gene Autry Six Shooter watch! Nice find!!! 🙂

            And I wouldn’t worry too much about Windsurfer getting there first,…it looks like Windsurfer is tied up with a Hurricane right now (or he’s just practicing for the Tornado!):

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          • marion imposter – With THAT post,…all I can say, is: “To-Hell-You-Ride!”

            Were you looking for some kind of implied “resurrection of Jesus” Telluride connection,… to this correlation you discovered,…over on Forrest’s blog?:

            “E* = E-Aster = Easter”

            I didn’t intend any,…when I posted the link to my discussion with Bob about his Telluride search,…over here on Mike’s TTOTC blog. I just wanted you to see how some of the words and phrases you mentioned,…just weirdly also showed up over here.

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  23. I don’t know if this is old news or not, but I just went to wherewarmwatershalt.com and did something. The something I did caused the regular merry-go-round music to stop. What replaced it was the sounds of what seemed like the outdoors. Birds chirping and stuff. And the voice of a British child who recited FF’s poem!!! Has this already been discovered and discussed?

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    • .
      Argus,

      inthechaseto has told us that the calliope tune is based on “The Lincolnshire Poacher”.

      When I went to the site, I just waited, and the child’s recitation of the poem began after 24 seconds – it seemed intentional to me, re: teh 24 lines of the poem. Is it possible that the same happened to you, and would have happened, without you doing anything?

      astree

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      • Actually Astree, I tested it several times. What I did definitely caused the recitation to start. So maybe it’s both and I just found a way to expedite it. All I did was start with the circle farthest to the right, and click on each one once in succession. Then I found that all I really needed to do was click once on the 2nd and then first ( going from left to right ) and that also started up the kid reciting the Poem. I suspect that there is more hidden in that page if the correct ‘combinations’ of clicks are keyed in…

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  24. You know I have been watching this blog and others and have noticed how much they have change. This blog has slowed down to a crawl, with many of the veteran posters posting elsewhere more often now, and I’m seeing why. There are no longer lengthily interactive discussions here, and for what discussions that are started they are quickly change by veteran chasers either because they are not in their way of thinking or maybe they are getting to close in theirs solves, who knows.

    Okay!! what I’m getting at is that many veteran chasers have lost their open minded way of thinking about other chasers ideas, and in the helping with those ideas. This is why people are moving from blog to blog or are just leaving them all together. Moving are either veterans looking for others to see there specific way of thinking (mostly newbies), or people fairly new to the chase looking for answers to their ideas that keep getting blown out of the water by the veterans thinking they rule the blog.

    To me this is no way to be. “No one” has found the chest after all these years of searching, so to say any idea is not the right one to any searcher is ridiculous. If you believe that your frame of mind is the only answer to the solve without considering other ideas, and believe your path is right, there is more of a chance “it’s not” the right path then “it is” in finding the chest. I believe some veteran chasers need to get a “attitude adjustment” and open their minds again like they were in the beginning of this chase. The reason for this is to make these blogs more interesting with new ideas flowing and chasers helping chasers in sharing information even if it’s not related to their way of thinking. There are a few veterans on the blogs that still do this and I’m happy to read their thoughts,finds and comments, but there are still many with the ” I am better then you attitude”.

    I myself have finds, ideas, and plenty of research through out my time of searching, as I’m sure many others do, that I have not shared because of the attitudes on the blogs and bloggers making it seem like your talking to yourself when you want to discuss them, and that goes for others wanting to discuss new ideas too, from what I see. So you “superior thinking” veteran chasers get off you high horses because guess what the chest is still out there and masters on blogs you are not. IMO we should be here not to discourage but to encourage others with their ideas and help them on the paths of their choices.
    “I will be signing off here now” and maybe will help with and share ideas and research again down the road if I see this blog or another as I once seen them the begining again and the way they should be, but I doubt this because some will always want to be kings and queens of the blogs.
    I know I won’t be missed but who cares.
    Bur

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    • Hey Bur! What you are describing is the old saying- the cold shoulder. The line from the poem is- effort worth the cold. It’s hard to warm up to anyone else’s ideas when it’s not your own. I believe FF only warms up to those who are way off. So hang in there Bur, you don’t need to share your ideas anyway if you don’t want to. The blogs are more of an informal social gathering than a place to get any really good information. It’s just fun and you’ve always been fun to read. But as have gathered, I’m easily pleased. Maybe someday your efforts will be worth the cold for now.

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      • Hey Bob, this was not meant at you. Bob as you know in the beginning of the searcher bogs, Dal’s first and then others followed as in this one, they were usful without giving away dangerous intel and conversation a plenty without hatred and discontent. Now, well all can see, they tend to converse only around a few main players and lack true depth they once had. Newbies throwing out ideas and getting slammed because it was topics in the past, but if you go through the past yes those topics were discussed but not truly followed up on, and I have done that on many of Dal’s scrapbooks and Fenn’s comments there. The beginning is where we need to start again ” it’s history now”. Bob a hint to you since you been there and know the Buffalo Bill Center of the West a.k.a BBHC, the Mc Cracken Library must be where Frorrest researched a lot of info, guess being a member to it gives you a advantage there because many of the things he has said in comments and in all his books and about certain people in his life can be traced back to it, plus all the west ancient history is stored there. Good luck to you my friend take care. Bur

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        • Bur – Nooo,…don’t go! I think we are all open minded and supportive and encouraging,…about the ideas of other searchers,…here on Mike’s blog. Why do you think otherwise? Can you give me an example?

          And I still would like to take a sleeping bag,…and spend a week down in the McCracken Research Library,…as I mentioned to Crowdog,…over on Forrest’s blog. He helped me locate this Forrest Fenn interview file,…which I think still has restricted access:

          archon.bbhc.org/?p=collections/findingaid&id=201&q=&rootcontentid=14679#id14679

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        • Well that was a nice little rant and rave, Bur’s tirade.
          I think he needs a shave. Behave !
          He’s distant detached, on us did pounce denounce. In contemplation no humiliation, revelation. My snivel, drivel nonsense stats facts out of whack. Find teasing pleasing, snide trite humor baby boomer. My nonsense insights bully aloof trolls. Clue correct, inspect? Suggestions fantastic cryptic pensive. Bur, I concur. Taste waste, keep searching!

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    • I think if more people posted in the form of questions instead of statements more people would participate. Thats why I stopped posting as much. When you get four years into a subject its pretty hard to work up enthusiam for a subject that millions of words have been posted about.
      I asked a question on chase chat yesterday, which is down today so not seeing if anyone had thoughts on it. Anyway the question was :

      The national highway system didnt become a reality until 1956. It was concieved in 1929 but didnt happen until 56 because of the world wars and funding. So where can we find maps that show the roads that excisted in the 1930s and 40s?

      Forrest has pointed out the Santa Fe trail and has hinted at the ancient trade routes of the ancient native people. Remember the parrots from his scrap book, and of course the Clovis points? Both products of trade routes.

      So what route would the Fenns have taken to get to Yellowstone?

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      • Deb- it was a two lane road that I took from Lander, wy to the south entrance. Through the Tetons. Not sure about this of course but sure felt an old presence while traveling this road.
        I’m pretty sure the interstate highway system was a product of the Eisenhower administration. He saw the need to move troops rapidly over great distances. This was one of the downfalls of nazi germany.

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      • Bur –

        Please don’t leave – Say it ain’t so. I’ve always enjoyed your posts.

        Deb –

        I like this map site – they only have 54,000 maps. 🙂

        www.davidrumsey.com/

        I will have to look up which way F would have gone in the early years. Interesting thought. Keep in mind – the school house detour. 🙂

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  25. JC1117:
    That countdown site is weird, Deb.To me, marbles one and three look like Uranium Oxbloods…definitely number one.I used to hunt for “treasures” in an old landfill.There were a lot of old marbles there because moms got spooked after WWII and threw away all their kids’ marbles because some of them contained “radioactive” uranium.LOL!

    “Ah, geez, Ma!Why did you throw away my marble collection?Compared to Billy’s it was the bomb!…Besides, I won ‘em all fair ‘n’ square with this extra marble-shootin’ finger that I grew.”

    Yeah imagine what carrying around those little guys in your pants pocket for a long time. Thank you Mom, now if we can convince our kids not to carry around their cell phones in their pockets.

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  26. JC1117:

    extranet.redeemer.ab.ca/sites/Schools/jp2/cmacleod/Images1/Forms/DispForm.aspx?ID=1

    I’ve enjoyed Larson’s humor for years. Yesterday, I was thinking of the Pythagorean theorem, and the base triplet, 3-4-5.

    In the Larson cartoon, if you look at the exponents starting at the upper left, and go right, you can connect the 3-4-5 and make something that looks like a right triangle .. squared a way. ( well, it is only a sketch, after all )

    1117, over and out,
    astree

    ( the square root of 1117 is 33.42, two pairs of interesting numbers )

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    • .
      mmmm, 1117 in base 17 = 3ec

      Maybe Larson was onto something.

      🙂

      ( or, 117 in base 17 = 6f, sort of like ff )

      Getting back to the 33.42 of the previous post

      1117 in base 33 = 10s, for the return path to 10

      10 => base 10, 10 = Roman X, the 24th letter

      1117 in base 24 = 1md, my home state

      Good Morning, JC1117

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      • Like I’ve said before, you’re a hard guy to follow, Astree…but positively brilliant nonetheless. Does your brain EVER rest? 🙂

        And thanks for digging in and trying to decipher the 1117 number. I’ve been trying to make sense of it for many moons myself. Maybe one day an answer will precipitate.

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  27. .
    He planned to hide a chest full of gold and gemstones in the wilderness and die there peacefully. When he survived the disease, he decided to wait and hide the treasure years later, and did so in 2010. Fenn released a book called “The Thrill of the Chase” containing a poem with nine clues about the treasure’s whereabouts. Fenn recently released a statement saying the treasure has not yet been found.

    blueribbonnews.com/2014/08/rockwall-treasure-hunter-enjoys-thrill-of-the-chase/

    ( ad for JC1117 at bottom of article … blueribbonnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Rockwall-Crossing-500-x-315-WEB-.jpg ) : )

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  28. Argus I enjoyed your story very much. My solve was related to an old possibly Mason myth about a buried treasure found by a poem having to do with the constellations. My neighbor is a Mason but I would feel funny asking about Mason stuff from them. 🙂 They are older than Forrest. 🙂

    Into, I found this video and thought you might enjoy a new twist on the Wizard of Oz song:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkVeKb2igrg

    Hope you enjoy ! 🙂

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  29. ARGUS33: I have the scars of a badly sunburned bald head to show for my effort and not much else

    See, that’s exactly where you got it wrong… you didn’t read the poem to the very end, did you?
    Cause if you did, you would have known that Forrest says your efforts worth the “cold”, not the “hot”. Easy mistake to make 😀

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  30. E*:
    inthechaseto – I know that Argus33 will probably get back to you on your circle question (and Rainbows are circles, as you know),…but I did make some related comments,…after I read Dan Brown’s “Book of Symbols”,…so I’ll bring up the frequently-used-by-the-Masons symbol again,…the Circumpunct:

    www.masonicdictionary.com/point.html

    And from the Masonic dictionary:

    CIRCLE: A figure which has neither beginning nor end and symbolizes eternity; the universe.

    Kind of sounds like that T.S. Eliot poem, too.

    Thanks E*

    What I got out of that is – it’s the point in the middle 🙂

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  31. inthechaseto:
    Argus –

    I enjoyed your chase story.

    The flood of 1911,wiped out many Colorado towns and also those of northern New Mexico.

    Thanks for the offer –to be our go to Mason.Sometimes, just knowing the right question to ask is important. I would like to know – how, if at all,the rainbow, or a circle pertains to masonry.

    Inthechaseto, Maybe this is the circle you looking for. Quite a few are masons.

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        • Skull and Bones is not affiliated with Freemasonry actually. I’ve done plenty of research on “The Bonesmen” and frankly find them to be utterly offensive, power-hungry war pigs. The lore says that the ‘dead guy in the middle’ is actually the skull of Geronimo! I find the fact that they keep ANYone’s skull in their clubhouse to be disgusting and unsettling considering how many of our governmental ‘leaders’ are Bonesmen!

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          • I agree. For me the symbol of skull and bones is about piracy, not masons.

            Forrest has given out several stories about pirates , but for me they relate to legends and the use of stars in the nautical realm as a guide to location. The stars were the guide for a great deal of history.

            Now has anyone checked that countdown site recently ? I am thinking childrens book, go see..

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          • That countdown site is weird, Deb. To me, marbles one and three look like Uranium Oxbloods…definitely number one. I used to hunt for “treasures” in an old landfill. There were a lot of old marbles there because moms got spooked after WWII and threw away all their kids’ marbles because some of them contained “radioactive” uranium. LOL!

            “Ah, geez, Ma! Why did you throw away my marble collection? Compared to Billy’s it was the bomb! …Besides, I won ’em all fair ‘n’ square with this extra marble-shootin’ finger that I grew.”

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        • ARGUSS33 – I read this in the link above,…which I provided:

          The art of attaining spiritual heights by contemplating directly upon a Skull & Cross Bones was never completely forgotten; it became common among occult groups, like the Freemasons. Above: A Skull & Cross Bones is featured in the Masonic “Chamber of Reflection.” “…a symbol of mortality and death. As the means for inciting the mind to contemplation… the skull and the crossbones are used in the Chamber of Reflection …” – Albert Mackey (1807 – 1881), Secretary General of the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States – See more at: www.richardcassaro.com/the-arcane-meaning-of-the-skull-cross-bones-symbol#sthash.e1XirGZU.dpuf

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          • Ok, I think that the important thing to understand here is that the secret society known as The Skull and Bones is the nasty group to whom I referred, as referenced here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
            whereas the simple “Jolly Roger” type emblem of a skull and crossbones MAY be used in some Masonic Lodges, although I have never seen one as such in any that I have visited. Two very different things. 🙂

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  32. You did all know that there is a Fenn Mountain – right?

    Fenn Mountain is named for Frank Fenn who was appointed Captain of Company H, First Idaho Volunteer Infantry and was the acting Major from April 1899 to September 1899 when he was promoted to full Major. The company saw active duty in the Philippines during the Spanish American War. He also was at the first battle of the Nez Perce Indian War at Whitebird in 1877. Later Fenn lived in nearby Kooskia after retiring from the U.S. Forest Service in 1920. A picnic area, Ranger Station and a small town are also named after him.

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  33. Birth Name: Amelia Mary Earhart
    Born: July 24, 1897
    Birthplace: Atchison, Kansas
    Died: July 2, 1937, en route from Lae, New Guinea to Howland Island
    Married: February 7, 1931, to George Putnam

    •Despite having to attend six different high schools, she was able to graduate on time.

    •Earhart was called “Lady Lindy” because her slim build and facial features resembled that of Charles Lindbergh.

    •Earhart refused to don typical flying gear—she wore a suit or dress instead of the “high-bread aviation togs,” a close-fitting hat instead of a helmet, didn’t put on her goggles until she taxied to the end of the field, and removed them immediately upon landing.

    •She developed a friendship with Eleanor Roosevelt, who wanted to learn how to fly. Earhart had planned to teach her, for which the First Lady even got her student permit.

    •Earhart met Orville Wright at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia in 1937, the same year she disappeared.

    •Earhart had such an impression on public that people often wrote and told her about naming babies, lakes, and even homing pigeons “Amelia.”

    •The United States government spent $4 million looking for Earhart, which made it the most costly and intensive air and sea search in history at that time.

    •She was the 16th woman to receive a pilot’s license from the FAI (License No. 6017)

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    • Bob –

      Who am I to tell you your wrong and possibly barking up the wrong tree.

      Maybe your right and will have the treasure on your next hunt – you asked for my opinion.

      Beef – hints – either in the book or poem.

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  34. E*:
    Bob – Those who focus on the “fixing” of other people,…ie. their behaviors,…or trying to change the areas in which they focus time or interest,…might be in need of an intervention themselves.

    Onward,…then,…to this intriguing new post:

    dalneitzel.com/2014/08/13/the-nine-clues-5/#comment-49091

    Osborne Russell made his last visit to the Yellowstone Region in 1839:

    www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/haines1/iee1b.htm

    And does anyone know where that Cold Fountain is,…at the edge of that lake,…which Ferris mentioned in that link?

    E- find the cold fountain at geyserbob.org
    The Fountain Hotel on the edge of lake Yellowstone is built around it I think.

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    • Bob – The Fountain Hotel was built near the Great Fountain Geyser,…and demolished in 1927,…but it looked really beautiful,…thank you! That is a warm water geyser that emits the usual steam from a vent etc.,…but I found a reference to Cold Water Geyser,…which was named that in 1954. Wikipedia has a good explanation of the types of geysers and how they work. I found this video,…but if that’s what it looks like now,…it is a lot smaller and more shallow than the one Ferris discovered:

      m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMkxnSxLbGo

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      • E- you will find cold water geysers all over the US usually called springs. I guess in Yellowstone any water coming out of the ground is a geyser. Lol

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      • Bob – I guess you didn’t read the Wikipedia page on Geysers,… as I suggested,…or you are just being funny, as usual:

        Cold-water geysers

        Cold-water geysers’ eruption is similar to that of their hot-water counterparts, except that CO2 bubbles drive the eruption instead of steam. In cold-water geysers, CO2-laden water lies in a confined aquifer, in which water and CO2 are trapped by less permeable overlying strata. This water and CO2 can escape this strata only in weak regions like faults, joints, or drilled wells. A drilled borehole provides an escape for the pressurized water and CO2 to reach the surface. The magnitude and frequency of such eruptions depend on various factors such as plumbing depth, CO2 concentrations, aquifer yield etc. The column of water exerts enough pressure on the gaseous CO2 so that it remains in the water in small bubbles. When the pressure decreases due to formation of a fissure, the CO2 bubbles expand. This expansion displaces the water and causes the eruption. Cold-water geysers may look quite similar to their steam-driven counterparts; however, often CO2-laden water is more white and frothy.[25] The best known of these is probably Crystal Geyser, near Green River, Utah.[26] There are also two cold-water geysers in Germany, Wallender Born (aka Brubbel) and Andernach Geyser (de) (aka Namedyer Sprudel), and one in Slovakia, Her?any.

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  35. E*:
    inthechaseto – And why did I remember that Forrest went to Radar School,…while in the Air Force?:

    Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well

    Then I heard the audio from that site,…with the short wave radio operator saying:

    “O,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9?

    Then I thought of the 39s,…and, “The Wizard of Oz”,…and Dorothy singing, “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” (seeing a Neon colored rainbow,…that appeared above our ski mountain a few days ago,…in my head).

    As Chuck said to Wilson the Volleyball,…in the movie, “Castaway”,…when the Angel Wings sail was blown off the raft in a storm (@:0:51):

    “I don’t know why!”

    vimeo.com/26045964

    Rockin out this morning with Chris Young – and Santa Fe Red – Neon.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=il3a7iM8NHM

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    • Hello Inthechaseto and E*. I really appreciate like-minded people like yourselves participating in this Thrilling Chase…with little ol’ me. Thanks for both of those videos, Inthechaseto…the Colors of the Wind…and Neon…where the light is always on. That melds perfectly with E*’s picture of a rainbow…which seems to show “the end”…but we all know that a rainbow is really just an infinite, perfect circle…and “the end” is really just another beginning. Words can hardly describe how beautiful all those concepts are to me. Thank you for sharing.

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      • JC- has this been discussed before? When we input information on a keyboard it’s located below the cathode ray tube or CRT.Karl Ferdinand Braun, a German is credited with the development of the CRT. Is the keyboard a word that is key below the CRT? Home of brown. The monitor. We google information because it’s too far to walk. And easier to read books online.

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        • Yes, Bob. I definitely google information because it’s too far to walk. I also FEEL there were many times…in the past, of course…that I should have spent more time googling than walking. I’ve also found it’s kind of hard to google and walk at the same time…at any rate…and frowned upon by law enforcement.

          cleverfrugalentrepreneur.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/google-self.jpeg

          Maybe one day. Maybe one day. Mwahahahaaaaaa!

          (I hope that laugh wasn’t too evil OR too Pee Wee Hermanesque.) 🙂

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          • JC –

            That was funny !!

            I just wanted to add – that when we were at our spot – forever – that is when I could not be on the computer at all – it almost killed me – but that is when it occurred to me how the finale was put together. Just working with my notes and thinking. I got creative and it is probably something I would have never done had I stayed on the computer.

            Just going on the kiss principle – I realize I needed to fine tune what I had – and could only get the info I needed on the net – so here I am doing just that – wishing I was back there – on the hunt.

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          • I would like to add that if you get stuck along the way in the solve – as has happened to me – a good way to get beyond that is to go back over your notes.

            Keep things in categories – so they can be found quickly. In the beginning I thought about what type of paper I would use and chose plain white paper -unlined paper as lines – interfere with my thinking and drawings. I am on my 4th ream of those. I have been thru so many pens – it’s amazing. Some pages I staple together and some I just paper clip – so I don’t have to go back thru tons of paper.

            How do you guys do it?

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          • Hello, Inthechaseto. I wish I was back on the hunt, too. I just talked to my brother this evening…for the first time about The Chase…after swearing him to secrecy. I’m trying to rope him into going with me on the hunt in a few weeks.

            Regarding a system for keeping track of information…what’s a system? 🙂

            Actually, I have a few things that I like to do. One is “snipping” information from others on the blogs and DEFINITELY things that Forrest says. Of course, the things that Forrest says/writes have to be deciphered. I REALLY should have developed a better system for keeping all my “notes” in order long before now.

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        • JC –

          If I told my brother about this – he would think I had lost my mind. That just makes me want to find it all the more. 🙂

          I do believe the circle is a component of this chase – or some type of thing used by the Masons. I seem to be finding many Masons.

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          • I am a Master Mason. If you want to bounce anything off me… I just returned from my first search. I figured WWWH was where trout waters ( warm waters as defined by the New Mexico Fish and Game people) met the Colorado border near Raton. Raton Pass has the Double Horseshoe Road, ( Double omegas?) and with all the talk of rainbows and The Wizard of Oz I thought that it must be more than mere coincidence that right where my WWWH is there is Lake Dorothy. Then down Sugarite Canyon past Lake Alice a good ways. ( too far to walk) I found a place using the internet called Brown’s Pocket Canyon, but then once we were actually in the area, NO ONE knew anything about it. It is apparently on privately owned land near the Yankee Mining Camp. I also pinpointed my Blaze as being The Ensign House ruins, but it also turned out to be on carefully watched private land! Frustrating because when you look up the definition of ‘ensign’ and compare it with the definition of ‘blaze’ you find a startling similarity. Also, they have a butterfly (flutter by) festival near there annually. Some guy called Meek was a big investor as the railroads were being built but had to leave quickly for some reason. One early resident of the Yankee Coal Camp with the last name Brown had a wife with the odd name of Olive-Olive. ( 2 Olives! Weird!) In the song Drill Ye Tarriers, Drill, the word ‘tarry’ is used to describe the process of drilling railroad tunnels. Raton tunnels? Heavy loads meant coal mining in my solve. There was a pretty bad flood at one point there too, so water high? I also found the letters N E A T R A T O N encoded in the poem BEFORE I even knew there was a place called Raton. I took that to mean, NE at Raton. Raton IS north-east of Santa Fe. There is much more compelling evidence for my solve, but I’m tired and frustrated. Needless to say, we scoured the area…to no avail. We camped at the Soda Pocket Camp Sight in Sugarite Park. At one point, we discovered a metal box half sticking out of the silt under about a foot of water that was running out of a culvert. It was the exact right size and for a few moments, I was the happiest person on Earth! It turned out to be an old ammo box! Yeah. Very hard to get open, but once I did, I found it only contained an old piece of steel wool and more muddy silt. Sigh…So yeah…that’s my story in a nutshell. I have the scars of a badly sunburned bald head to show for my effort and not much else. Oh yeah, we also searched Folsom Falls (FF) just for gits and shiggles. It was a really cool place with lots of hidey spots to search, but the land owner showed up and asked us politely ( lucky us!) to leave. So…I guess I have eliminated a large possibility from The Search Theater, so that’s one good thing…I will go out and scour my secondary solve just as soon as possible. In the meantime, please people, don’t find My Treasure! 😉

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          • Argus –

            I enjoyed your chase story.

            The flood of 1911, wiped out many Colorado towns and also those of northern New Mexico.

            Thanks for the offer – to be our go to Mason. Sometimes, just knowing the right question to ask is important. I would like to know – how, if at all, the rainbow, or a circle pertains to masonry.

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          • Argus –

            Here is an account of the flood of 1911 which will take you back in time. It is a letter written to her mother, by a girl named Mattie. it rained for four days and the ground became saturated – then it really started raining and there was no where for all that water to go. There are some reports of a wall of water 8 feet high coming thru.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD1rlsXuCVI

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          • inthechaseto – I know that Argus33 will probably get back to you on your circle question (and Rainbows are circles, as you know),…but I did make some related comments,…after I read Dan Brown’s “Book of Symbols”,…so I’ll bring up the frequently-used-by-the-Masons symbol again,…the Circumpunct:

            www.masonicdictionary.com/point.html

            And from the Masonic dictionary:

            CIRCLE: A figure which has neither beginning nor end and symbolizes eternity; the universe.

            Kind of sounds like that T.S. Eliot poem, too.

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          • Arguss33 – I am sorry you couldn’t get onto that private land,…to look around in Brown’s Pocket Canyon. Does that company that starts with a “C”,…the one with the creek near the Yankee Coal Camp that has the same name,…still own the property? Your search story just makes it feel like everything fits. I also thought of that story in the book,…where Forrest’s Mom is looking out the window,…waiting for the postman,…could TC be in view of that Yankee Coal Camp post office,…that was shown on the map? Did you go there? I really enjoyed your story, too.

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    • Yeah, I saw that, Inthechaseto. That’s a really weird website. Do you think Forrest is behind it? I see the CE5 “inventory pricing code” in the clouds. I also see the colors of tea that Forrest mentions that he drank with Olga. Then there’s that “8” which looks like the symbol for infinity…like some kind of infinite circle loop…except with a twist…like somebody twisted half of a circle (or oval, etc.) 180 degrees to make an X in the middle. Crazy stuff…but no more crazy than me, I suppose.

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      • JC –

        I don’t have a clue if Forrest is behind it. It’s interesting – who ever is doing it – is pretty up on what’s happening.

        I never thought about finding an X with a twist…. I never really thought about finding an x on a map. Ha – maybe I’ll go do that now.

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          • inthechaseto – And why did the audio on that website,…and all the discussion surrounding it,…make me think of the Crystal Radio that Skippy built for Forrest?:

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          • inthechaseto – And why did I remember that Forrest went to Radar School,…while in the Air Force?:

            Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well

            Then I heard the audio from that site,…with the short wave radio operator saying:

            “O,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9”

            Then I thought of the 39s,…and, “The Wizard of Oz”,…and Dorothy singing, “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” (seeing a Neon colored rainbow,…that appeared above our ski mountain a few days ago,…in my head).

            As Chuck said to Wilson the Volleyball,…in the movie, “Castaway”,…when the Angel Wings sail was blown off the raft in a storm (@:0:51):

            “I don’t know why!”

            vimeo.com/26045964

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          • inthechaseto – OK,…another comment to discuss:

            dalneitzel.com/2014/08/13/the-nine-clues-5/#comment-49069

            I have considered that same theory,…about Forrest having planned to make one last flight to hide his bones (even if he didn’t have HIS valid pilots license anymore). And that made me think of the last four words Robin Olds wrote in his book, “I have flown home”:

            www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/such-heroes-are-few

            I have even looked for signs of Forrest’s F-100D,…near my spot,…as an indicator that I am in the right place.

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        • Sneaky, pointing out that. LOL Not that I have a clue what it means but yes , found that link about the idea of Amelia Earhart being captured by the Japanese and held as a spy on an island in the Pacific.
          So many different stories , and no clue where they send us.lol

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        • E- I’m staging an intervention for you.

          Remember, it’s the thrill of the chase? Not obsession of the chase…..lol

          Researcher of the year honors are yours, respect!!!

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          • I’m with you, Bob. E* definitely needs an intervention. Shall we make it our intention to convene an intervention at the close of the convention?

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          • JC- who cares after it’s over? Ancient Rome, Grease, know Jesus no peace. E can seek , peek , all he wants. With his brains courage and heart. For new gold.

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          • Bob – Those who focus on the “fixing” of other people,…ie. their behaviors,…or trying to change the areas in which they focus time or interest,…might be in need of an intervention themselves. 😉

            Onward,…then,…to this intriguing new post:

            dalneitzel.com/2014/08/13/the-nine-clues-5/#comment-49091

            Osborne Russell made his last visit to the Yellowstone Region in 1839:

            www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/haines1/iee1b.htm

            And does anyone know where that Cold Fountain is,…at the edge of that lake,…which Ferris mentioned in that link?

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          • E- thanks for that link. In my travels of that area and in reading about the rendevous held each year by the trappers I wonder how word got around as to the time and place of the meetings? No phones, no mail service, no means of communicating. Even when the scribes recorded what they saw it was years afterward to be published. I wonder how many written accounts were lost? Those who did not survive the trek, killed or starved or froze to death with their writings. In watching a documentary about Lewis and Clark I think it was years before Jefferson heard anything back from them. Gives new meaning to the phrase “patience is a virtue”. When I was a kid if I disappeared overnight, my mom thought I was dead.
            Lol

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  36. Everyone – I was really hoping to deliver THE chest,…to Forrest on his 84th birthday,…but I guess this one will have to do:

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck

    Less than 48 hours left,…to plan any big surprise you may have for him. You wouldn’t want to be LATE,…now would you? 🙂

    I hope you have a marvelous birthday, Forrest!

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  37. (Crowd goes wild…especially the hot babes.)

    LOL What about us homely ones ? 🙂

    Funny I was actually thinking about those dumb commercials and the comparison in the car the other day. It made me laugh out loud. 🙂 Its not who you are. Its who they think you are. 🙂

    You all remember the post Forrest wrote about that hat he acquired? He said something I have been thinking about. He said that the guy looked like he slept on his face a lot. What do you think that means ?( I was thinking dirt nap myself. ) Yes its the odd things I think about. 🙂

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  38. Can someone post some favorite Robin Williams clips? He was so quick witted and funny. One of mine was from the movie- Good Morning Vietnam, when he talked about not being able to see the soldiers because they were wearing camo. He didn’t look too good on his latest show- The Crazy Ones, but he still had it.

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    • I was recently talking with a friend about Robin Williams. I told them I thought he was the sexiest man alive. No, I am not blind, I find humor to be sexy. I will miss his humor. He made so many laugh. What a wonderful gift he was to the world, In my opinion. 🙂

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      • A tribute to Robin Williams:

        O Captain! My Captain!
        BY WALT WHITMAN

        O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
        The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won,
        The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
        While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
        But O heart! heart! heart!
        O the bleeding drops of red,
        Where on the deck my Captain lies,
        Fallen cold and dead.

        O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
        Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills,
        For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding,
        For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
        Here Captain! dear father!
        This arm beneath your head!
        It is some dream that on the deck,
        You’ve fallen cold and dead.

        My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still,
        My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will,
        The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done,
        From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
        Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
        But I with mournful tread,
        Walk the deck my Captain lies,
        Fallen cold and dead.

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  39. astree:
    .
    ????

    Where’s the article, I just see a picture for sale.

    www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/image_181ce5ce-9e08-5520-879c-489d6f102ce7.html

    Oh, here’s the article

    ” Forrest Fenn’s memoir, “Thrill of the Chase” has sparked new interest in treasure hunting in and around Yellowstone Park, as the book gives clues to a hidden treasure worth millions of dollars ”

    Does anyone know if there’s a condensed version of this article somewhere? I’d like to give it to my wife, but I’m afraid she’ll just say, “No, thanks” or “I have a headache” when I know the real reason is because it’s too lengthy.

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    • I happen to agree with Deb – he would not place it where your kids could not find it.

      Therefore, I don’t think he would have placed it in Grizz Country.
      If you figure how far south the grizz go or live – that would eliminate a great deal of country and narrow your search area. He said he thought of everything – did he think about your kids – I think so.

      Happy hunting !

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      • inthechaseto – Since Forrest spent so many of his summers in and around Yellowstone,…from a very early age,…I do not think he was afraid of the Grizz. But,…he did write that he was thankful that he and Donnie didn’t have any run-ins with the Grizz,…while on their horseback adventures,…which were pictured in TTOTC. He does mention children in his disclaimer, though,…on the Resources page of his website:

        “If you are searching for Forrest’s treasure please stay safe, take adequate supplies and a GPS. The chest is not in a dangerous place. Remember, it weighs 42 pounds and an old man carried it to its secret location. Keep your children close in the mountains and search at your own risk. Good luck in the chase.”

        I guess if he said, “..and carry bear spray”,…that might have narrowed down the search area. 🙂

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    • Hello, Astree. That’s a really nice metal detector that guy has in that picture. At least, I assume it’s a guy…looking at the hands and the hairy arm. Then again…I assume it could be a situation like this:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL4cmFW_GU

      Another clue that “he” might be a man is by closely inspecting the individual’s shadow. You’ll notice the lack of any obvious mammalian, adipose-tissue glands…or breasts…in the “chestal” region. Breasts are also known as “Boobies” to the “late person”…which I guess means “to the person who was late” on the day they taught that subject in class. I don’t know, maybe I was the late person when they taught about “late people”…or I wasn’t listening. All I know is I wish I had a nice metal detector like that dude…or dudette. 🙂

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        • Is that how that expression goes, E*? “Lay person” not “late person”? Dang it! I think I first learned it (wrongly) from that movie Dumb and Dumber. I just assumed it was right for all these years. Maybe I should take inventory of all the other things I learned from that movie and applied in my “skill set”.

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyI4-7MEHU

          I hope Forrest doesn’t see that and take it the wrong way. Oh, well. If I meet him in person one day I’ll just make sure I don’t introduce myself as “JC1117”. 🙂

          On second thought, I better wear my cup in case I forget.

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyXhysmMNhE

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          • JC1117 – Did you hear Dumb say to Dumber, “Just the bear essentials” in that video? In my case,…that would be Bear Spray,…but the big can I priced at the fly shop on my last trip was $49.95. And it is hard to think of poor Winnie looking like this,…just because of some dumb chest full of gold:

            s.hswstatic.com/gif/bear-spray-2.jpg

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      • tweleve.org/maranatha/26657-thoughts-findings-related-maranatha-key-pt-ii-17.html#post560673

        This had a similar premise to Lucy, but without all the gratuitous jedi force, guns, or martial arts.

        Limitless (2011) – IMDb

        ………………

        ( indeed, the post by hayward was before your previous post at 4:17 PM, with the martial arts picture showing )

        L I M I
        T L E S
        S A N D
        L U C Y
        ………………

        MEN C SAND

        JC1117:

        Hello, Astree.That’s a really nice metal detector that guy has in that picture.At least, I assume it’s a guy…looking at the hands and the hairy arm.Then again…I assume it could be a situation like this:

        Seinfeld – Man Hands

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL4cmFW_GU&feature=player_embedded

        Another clue that “he” might be a man is by closely inspecting the individual’s shadow.You’ll notice the lack of any obvious mammalian, adipose-tissue glands…or breasts…in the “chestal” region.Breasts are also known as “Boobies” to the “late person”…which I guess means “to the person who was late” on the day they taught that subject in class.I don’t know, maybe I was the late person when they taught about “late people”…or I wasn’t listening.All I know is I wish I had a nice metal detector like that dude…or dudette.

        That takes us all the way back to “Spash”, which could be related to the treasure hunt !

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    • JC, astree, and inthechaseto – Did you see the new picture of Forrest,…that he submitted for the latest Bozeman Daily Chronicle article? Does he look sorta MAD to you? Like he wants SOMEONE to just go get TC already?!:

      m.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/sunday/article_f7eb081a-1f54-11e4-a5c6-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=jqm_gal#&ui-state=dialog
      (you may have to hit the arrow at bottom to see the picture)

      Here’s what he said about his jump off that bridge near Temple, TX,…in the middle of the night:

      “I just did it and that was that.”

      He also said something like “Just do it”,…in regards to quitting any job you hate,…to start your own business (advice he gave in a story about how he started his gallery in Santa Fe,…over on Jenny Kile’s blog).

      But when I have breakfast often,…at my favorite local restaurant,…and see this giant Grizz,…who holds a “Do Not Disturb” pillow,…in his giant claw,…I just want to say:

      “No, Forrest.,…YOU go ‘alone in there’ to get TC,…’Just Do It’,…MY ASS!!!”

      I guess I’ll jump off that bridge when I come to it. I know I have to be “brave and in the wood” to win the “title to the gold”. 🙂

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      • And when I said:

        “No, Forrest.,…YOU go ‘alone in there’ to get TC,…’Just Do It’,…MY ASS!!!”

        I was hearing the voice of Darrell Hammond as Sean Connery,…opposite Will Ferrell as Alex Trebek,…playing “Jeopardy” on SNL:

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdt9Piq5s0g

        Hey,…did you notice all those double consonants in the names I listed above??? 🙂

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      • I think you’re right, E*. Forrest DOES look mad! I hope Forrest is too busy to read these blogs…or the “Dumb” post I made about Senior Citizens still being able to serve a purpose…because if he did see that I’d just like to point out that I think Forrest is serving an absolutely DIVINE and WONDERFUL purpose.

        …and if we ever meet in person the “JC” in my name stands for Jose Cuervo. 🙂

        Now would someone go get the chest already! That look in Forrest’s eyes is making me nervous. If he keeps it up I’ll be scared of my OWN shadow!

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          • I had no idea, E*. That’s awesome…in the daunting/fear sense of the word awesome, that is. If you’re not too afraid, maybe one day you can introduce me to that shadow. You can feel bolstered that I’m by your side…for moral support. 🙂 We could even arrange to have more than just the three of us. Besides, it’ll make good company.

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          • Hello, E*. That “Most Interesting Man” can’t even compete with Forrest. Sure, the idea of The Most Interesting Man in the World is comparable and on par with Forrest Fenn BUT(!) you and I both know that Forrest is a REAL PERSON and that other guy is NOT.

            And the winner is…by unanimous decision…(pause for tumultuous noise)…FORREST FENN!!!!!!!

            (Crowd goes wild…especially the hot babes.) 🙂

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          • JC1117 – Ahhh,…but they are both good actors,…and, alas,…they are both married 🙁 :

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqKqGJS_L8

            All the world’s a stage

            Jaques:
            All the world’s a stage,
            And all the men and women merely players;
            They have their exits and their entrances,
            And one man in his time plays many parts,
            His acts being seven ages.

            As You Like It Act 2, scene 7, 139–143

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  40. JC1117 – I really wanted to join your discussion,…over on Dal’s blog,…about those Jadeite Olmec masks on Forrest’s Scrapbook,…and weirdness,…and beer storage and delivery systems. And I loved that Enigma space video clip you posted. So,…here are my contributions:

    www.space.com/23141-space-beer-student-space-station-experiment.html
    beerstreetjournal.com/ninkasi-wants-brew-beer-space-video/

    So much easier to put in your purse:

    www.today.com/food/beer-concentrate-lets-you-take-brews-outdoor-adventure-2D11741579

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  41. Everyone – Did you read the new story, “Patriarch of the Ramuda” on Dal’s blog? I liked this comment by The Wolf:

    dalneitzel.com/2014/08/03/remuda/#comment-46946

    Especially because Forrest never explains what that horn is,…hanging from a strap around his Tohopka Stallion. I wonder if there is some significance to the Beowulf legend?:

    media.agonybooth.com/images/articles/Beowulf_2007/splash_780.jpg

    Only Beowulf enters the cave where he encounters Grendel’s mother (Angelina Jolie), who takes the form of a beautiful woman. She offers to make him the greatest king who ever lived if he will agree to give her a son to replace Grendel and let her keep the golden drinking horn. Beowulf gives in to her advances and returns, claiming to have killed her.

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  42. Rated E for Everyone – Hey,…did you see that Dal is poling everyone to gauge interest in having a TTOTC Conference in Santa Fe in October? I was thinking that hosting a TTOTC Jeopardy or TTOTC Trivial Pursuit competition would be fun and informative and potentially lucrative,…for financially strapped Chasers like me.

    Here is an example:

    E*: “Home of Brown for Forrest’s Thoth statue, Alex”
    Alex: “This Brown is associated with an E,…and ‘IT’,…and according to Wood,…lived in an Ottery. He is famous for creating a famous puzzle with a decidedly Christian topic.”
    E*: “Who is ………………… ………………”

    What do you think?

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    • E- I’ve never been to a conference. Do I have to wear a skinny black tie with a white long sleeve shirt? And carry a briefcase handcuffed to my wrist? And a pocket protector with credentials and pens and mechanical pencils? Is it that kind of conference? If so, I’m not going those guys would laugh at my skippy peanut butter jar cause that’s all I got. I don’t think it would show up on an overhead projector presentation. Or a slide show either. My research ain’t very scientific, it’s more fly by night kind of stuff. Ya know, white knuckle, seat of your pants. I can work a dry erase board though, with all the pretty colors. I hope we don’t have to talk into a microphone, those things scare me, especially when they feedback. I’m nervous already. Maybe I’ll hire a stand- in and write a script. That way, I don’t even have to show up. I could be at the hotel lounge watching it on closed circuit tv. That’s what I think E*.

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      • High, Bob. Can I join you at the hotel lounge to watch what’s happening around the corner on TV? I’ll bring some “good” dry erase markers to enhance the visuals on the TV. Every now and then you have to smell the markers just to make sure they’re still fresh. I’ve noticed they don’t make dry erase markers like they used to. 🙂

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      • Black and white ? Oh horrors ! I cant even begin to tell you how boring that would be. 🙂
        I am not a public speaker and tend to blush , wont catch me making any speeches. hahahaha That’s ok though , I am sure there are more than enough searchers willing to stand in a spotlight. 🙂
        Conference is a fancy word for organized chaos.

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  43. E*:
    JC1117 – I verified a few weeks ago that My Grizz is apparently still working for Forrest Fenn,…and is still diligently guarding the trail to my spot. Did you ever head out to Occidental,…when you lived in Santa Rosa? I liked that area,…and Sonoma, too.

    That’s exactly the major problem with retrieving the prize. My grizz is loud and intimidating too – and always there. He’s a busy boy.

    I can wait.

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    • inthechaseto – By “I can wait”,…do you mean:

      1) For the USFS to relocate YOUR Grizz for bad behavior? I say this because there used to be two Grizzes guarding my spot, and one was relocated last year, after terrorizing the campground nearby.

      2) To go later in the season? Grizzes go into hyperphagia before they hibernate,…and are even MORE ravenous and ornery then!

      3) To go “alone in there” in oh, say,…early February,…when the Grizzes are MOST LIKELY (but not definitely) hibernating. A snowmobile might just wake the Grizz up from, what some say, is not a true state of hibernation. Warmer Winter temps are affecting that, too.

      4) To have the funds to go in with a paid outfitter,…on horseback,…armed with high powered rifles AND lots of big cans of bear spray? Did you read my stories of all those highly skilled mountain men who were attacked by Grizzes anyway?

      5) For oh, say,…another 25 years to go get TC,…when the Grizzes will all have migrated North of the U.S. border,…due to Global Warming? But then we will have to contend with the Albino Alligators from France….

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  44. Everyone – I just really liked this post by Germanguy on the Nine Clues thread on Dal’s blog:

    dalneitzel.com/2014/07/30/the-nine-clues-4/#comment-46428

    One of my favorite landlords always said, “Attitude is everything”,…which I have never forgotten. That phrase was ringing in my ears,…when I read GG’s post,…because I had just heard my former landlord say it,…in his heavy Turkish accent,…as I was falling asleep the night before. 🙂

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    • And one of his other favorite sayings was, “If you need exercise, just pick up a shovel”. I’ll bet Forrest would agree with that one. 🙂

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  45. Everyone – I still think Forrest’s Scrapbook Sixty Seven is Soooooo cute,…but bear maulings are no laughing matter,…and they go way, way back, ie. to the mountain men, Jedediah Smith and Hugh Glass (Richard Harris played him in “Man in the Wilderness”):

    www.blackhillsvisitor.com/old-west.html?pid=880&sid=911:Jedediah-Smith-the-Bear-and-the-Black-Hills
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePBVk8bvxio

    Note: how the head of this man fits so nicely into the Grizz’s mouth.

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    • Wow! All I can say is Wow! I just watched that YouTube video for the first time since you posted it, E*. Compared to Jedediah and Hugh I’m what most would call a “Sissy La La”. I never had a need to have my scalp sewn back on or have maggots eat the infection out of my back. 🙂

      Another thing…I took a course/class many moons ago and I couldn’t remember the name of the professor. Well, turns out that’s him in the YouTube video at :55, 3:16, and 4:25. I’ve been wondering what his name is and if he’s still alive. There was just a handful of us in that class. I remember him very distinctly because he would come into the classroom and set his cowboy hat on the table before he would start to teach. That man knew a LOT about A LOT! …just like Forrest! In fact, I still remember a few details he taught me about the old Santa Fe trail.

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