The Poem

This poem written by Forrest Fenn contains nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure. Happy Hunting!

 

As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.

From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

392 thoughts on “The Poem

    • Astree -

      42 = 6

      Another time he mentions “war” in the book is on page 106.

      Perhaps Mike or Chris could run a tab on how many times “war” is mentioned in the book.

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  1. E*:
    Deb – When you referred to yourself as being “the odball”,…I thought of how I would define myself,…and decided that I belong on this island:

    E*, I believe there are more of us misfits than people want to acknowledge. :) Its all good, isn’t it ? Thank you ! :*

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    • vgboss – Hopscotch was a little slow for me,…but I loved to play Capture the Flag (being a Pirate and all),…or Kick the Can. There was lots of running around in both of those games. And keep having fun,…every minute,…of every day,…otherwise,…what’s the point? I think Peter Pan and the Lost Boys were onto something…

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    • vgboss – This is you,…as the TTOTC.com Box Kid,…trying to play Hopscotch:

      OK,…right,…throw the little rock,…OK,…it landed on 3,…Now,…put your right foot before your left,…OK,…now Hop-Hop,…6, 4, 5 (the later two straddle, and do together),…then lean down,…to pick up the rock, at 3,…then Hop-Hop-Hop 3,2,1.

      It’s been a long time,…does anybody know if I got that right? Box Kid???

      I am sure it was hard to think about just what you were doing, though,…with TC in your HEAD like that!

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  2. The Wolf:
    Deb,
    I believe I posted that as well and I included more thoughts in my latest story as well on my theory that the treasure contents contains clues to its location.

    I will take some time and read that Wolf. I missed that part of your story. lol I have the attention span of a 3 year old sometimes. :)

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  3. vgboss:
    Yes deb you are so right on target. It only takes one to make a positive difference in someone’s life. I strongly believe that and live by that with helping high school student athletes receive athletic scholarships and in other positive ways to make a difference in people’s lives but you know deb at times I, vgboss, feel like the bear within the video below, in need of a hug, so that I may keep doing what I’m doing. vgboss needs some love to! Don’t get me wrong the hugs come but more often than not I have to be like this bear and ask for a hug instead of just receiving them out of the blue be surprised…you know what I mean deb?

    Dear VGBoss ,
    You are such a kind soul. Thank you for that lovely video ! I often feel just like that.
    I spent many years volunteering , working with kids. (Before my health got so bad .) It was the most rewarding feeling in the world to help a child achieve a goal they never thought they would have. I wish more people would take some time to discover that feeling .

    Thank you for all you do. You bring much to many that you may not even be aware of. I would love to meet you and give you a real hug for all that goodness that you share with us all. :) I am working on a project that I will soon share with everyone , I am not much of a writer but I hope to bring some laughter and wonder just as you have. :)

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    • Deb – I look forward to reading the results of your project. I very much enjoyed your posts on your blog,…but could not bookmark it for reference back then,…when I read them. Could you please post the web address again? Thank you for all YOUR kindness and generosity on this blog, too. Group Hug. :-)

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      • I deleted my blog. Didn’t think anyone was reading it .lol
        I will probably post my project to it when I am done. I am hoping to have that ready before next weekend if I can find the right words . You guys don’t know this but I have problems with word recall so its torture to write and make sense out of it.
        Its a family joke around here to watch mom search for words .lol I couldn’t remember the word dog, so I said “that big hairy thing that eats too much. ROFL Old age will be filled with laughter I foretell. :)

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        • I was reading it – and liked it !

          The big hairiy thing works for me – love it – laughter makes us well – dreams keep us going – as do you Deb. Hugs my dear friend.

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    • deb Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

      deb makes me so happy that you know that feeling of that awesome joy, within, in helping others, by making a positive difference, and also you knowing the feeling that the bear at the beginning of the video feels.

      You are a treasure deb,

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  4. The Wolf:
    Deb,
    I believe I posted that as well and I included more thoughts in my latest story as well on my theory that the treasure contents contains clues to its location.

    I will have to look for it then. Great minds and all that. :)

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  5. It is time to jump back into some deep thinking. I had a great time while in Yellowstone. There was one place near the Madison that seemed to fit. The tarry was evident and displayed near by. I got thousands of photos and video to look at. It will take me 3 weeks to look at it all. What I found that was most important is to mark the direction of the photos . I have this very cool app called GPS essentials that helped me so much. If you can download you will see some great tools. Oh, Star chart is another great app. I did get a call from one searcher but no phone number was left to call back. Got a lot of waves from many who may be on the chase as well through my mirrors. Anyway, I don’t think it is in Wyoming, just thinking.

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  6. My friends did I hear and listen good to Forrest Fenn within that SBS video? Did he just say that someone is 90% close to solving THE POEM and Claiming Title to the Gold and something along the lines that he, Forrest, wishes he could help that individual, who is that close, but will not do so?

    WOW 90% close….looks like a done deal for the lucky individual who is really that close! Lucky her or him! I wish that individual the best and God Speed!!!

    My friends it has been great playing the game, this Thrill of the Chase, and especially interacting with all of you within this awesome blog. Mike, Deb, E*, astree, JC117, Bob and everyone else who interacted with me I will miss you all, it was fun and interesting! Thanks a lot for sharing of yourselves and for helping make it fun for me while I was on this Chase for Fenn’s Gold. Take care my friends and good luck. I’m truly out this time…seriously…the 90% thing did it for me :(

    God Bless Everyone,
    vgboss

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    • vgboss – If your leaving “The Chase” is founded on what Forrest said in that SBS video,…I would like to make sure you heard him correctly (from the transcript,…thanks, Wolf):

      FORREST FENN: People have been pretty close. But the people that have been the closest don’t know that they were close. There’s 10% of me that wants to help ‘em but the 90% supersedes the 10%.

      “So hear me all and listen good,”….

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      • E* thank you. I watched the SBS video again and you are absolutely correct. I don’t know why I heard different. E* I must be getting tired and weak, getting anxious, with this entire Chase.

        E* thanks to you I shall continue having fun with this Chase.

        You know E* this morning I, along with my brother, finally pulled, hoed, and mowed the weeds from my backyard. I had been procrastinating it for over a month or so and now it’s finally done.

        Hey speaking of weeds it just made me think of Thurlow Weed, Horace Greeley, Abraham Lincoln and the boys.

        www.mrlincolnandnewyork.org/inside.asp?ID=36&subjectID=3

        vgboss is back thanks to E*. If only more people were like E* this world would be a better place.

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      • E* thank you. I watched the SBS video again and you are absolutely correct. I don’t know why I heard different. E* I must be getting tired and weak, getting anxious, with this entire Chase.

        E* thanks to you I shall continue having fun with this Chase.

        You know E* this morning I, along with my brother, finally pulled, hoed, and mowed the weeds from my backyard. It looked like a jungle, a weed jungle. I had been procrastinating it for over a month or so and now it’s finally done!

        Hey speaking of weeds it just made me think of Thurlow Weed, Horace Greeley, Abraham Lincoln and the boys.

        www.mrlincolnandnewyork.org/inside.asp?ID=36&subjectID=3

        vgboss is back thanks to E*. If only more people were like E* this world would be a better place.

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        • There are lots of good people on the chase, and in the world. It only takes one kindness to make a difference in the lives of others. You never know how much you can help others with just a few kind words or one simple deed. I am inspired by that concept daily when I read posts from other searchers, and of course with the beautiful intent of Forrest Fenn.

          I think of his vision as his opus. Now not everyone sees the chase the way I do but maybe someday they will. :) I know I am the oddball , have been from the beginning. :) Story of my life actually .lol

          I gave out a hint on Stephanies blog , it has since been deleted. So I will say it again here in hopes of it sparking some renewed thought in those willing to consider it.
          If you look at the treasure as it is listed , it may just lead you to a location. Its up to you to figure out what that means. :)

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          • Deb,
            I believe I posted that as well and I included more thoughts in my latest story as well on my theory that the treasure contents contains clues to its location.

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          • Yes deb you are so right on target. It only takes one to make a positive difference in someone’s life. I strongly believe that and live by that with helping high school student athletes receive athletic scholarships and in other positive ways to make a difference in people’s lives but you know deb at times I, vgboss, feel like the bear within the video below, in need of a hug, so that I may keep doing what I’m doing. vgboss needs some love to! Don’t get me wrong the hugs come but more often than not I have to be like this bear and ask for a hug instead of just receiving them out of the blue be surprised…you know what I mean deb?

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          • Deb – When you referred to yourself as being “the odball”,…I thought of how I would define myself,…and decided that I belong on this island:

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    • Hello VG! What a roller coaster this last week has been! Wowza! A simple business trip turned into a nightmare. I’ll have to explain later. It’s a LONG story. I hope I get to tell it one day…when all will hear me. Right now I don’t suppose anyone would.

      90% close? Wowza…AGAIN! Oh how I would love to be that person closing in on the final 10%. From your picture it looks as though that last 10% is pure gold. I hope whoever it is is humble enough to realize the awesome responsibility they will have placed upon their shoulders…to walk in the footsteps of Forrest Fenn.

      For now, it’s great to be home. Although I’ve been “away” my heart has never left The Chase. I’ll be back out again…soon…rain or shine.

      Your friend,

      JC

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    • vgboss: My friends did I hear and listen good to Forrest Fenn within that SBS video? Did he just say that someone is 90% close to solving THE POEM and Claiming Title to the Gold and something along the lines that he, Forrest, wishes he could help that individual, who is that close, but will not do so?

      I’m clueless…. could someone post a link to the “SBS video” under discussion ? (E – I did see that you quoted a bit, I’d just like to keep semi / once-in-a-while / okay, once-in-a-blue-moon .. current on Chase on-going info.

      Thank-you,
      astree

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  7. astree: .
    Getting ready for another Hooter … stand by

    In deference to the bard, Fenn Poem Day (6/24), here’s a wise saying of another bard, which rearranged to the 6 x 4 (reminiscent of Forrest’s Poem), gives two references to the ART of being wise (Hooter is clue #1, and a friend of Athena … find EARTH and go from there)

    A L L.. _ T H
    E _ W O R L
    D ‘ S .._ A _
    S T A G E !

    You guys had some great comments!

    astree

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    • Astree – I don’t know if I understood your directions correctly,…and I am not good at anagrams,…but here’s what I came up with:

      The missing four letters:

      BRED => B RED => Be Read (as in the ART of being WISE,…Be Well Read?)

      LETHAL
      RED OWL
      BARD’S
      STAGE

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      • Astree – a “Red” reference,…from Shakespeare’s “Macbeth”,…Act II, Scene II:

        LADY MACBETH: I’ll gild the faces of the grooms withal;

        The pun on “gild” and “guilt” was doubtless plainer to Shakespeare’s hearers than to us. Gold was regularly spoken of in the old songs as “red.”

        Ergo,…”RED OWL” could be “GOLD OWL”,…right??? :-)

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      • Astree – Or the “Lethal Red Owl” could be a political reference,… to the red headed presence of Queen Elizabeth I,…at the “Bard’s Stage” (which was certainly an issue in Shakespeare’s day!). So,…”If you’ve been wise and found the blaze” would have had a whole new meaning,…about watching your Ps and Qs,…with the Famous Queen in the audience (who was quite famous for beheading those she didn’t trust). ;-)

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    • Astree – And when you said, “friend of Athena”,…I know one of her symbols is the Owl,…but one of her friends is the goddess, Nike:

      Nike is seen with wings in most statues and paintings. Most other winged deities in the Greek pantheon had shed their wings by Classical times. Nike is the goddess of strength, speed, and victory. Nike was a very close acquaintance of Athena, and is thought to have stood in Athena’s outstretched hand in the statue of Athena located in the Parthenon.

      I was talking with Crowdog,…on Forrest’s blog,…about the Unsinkable Molly Brown,…so I thought I would post this picture of Nike:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_Engineers%27_Memorial,_Southampton#mediaviewer/File:Statue_on_Titanic_Engineers%27_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg

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    • Astree – And since you brought up Shakespeare’s “All the World’s a Stage” monologue,…from “As You Like It”:

      All the world’s a stage,
      And all the men and women merely players.
      They have their exits and their entrances,
      And one man in his time plays many parts,
      His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
      Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms.
      Then, the whining school-boy with his satchel
      And shining morning face, creeping like a snail
      Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
      Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
      Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then, a soldier,
      Full of strange oaths, and bearded like the pard,
      Jealous in honour, sudden, and quick in quarrel,
      Seeking the bubble reputation
      Even in the cannon’s mouth. And then, the justice,
      In fair round belly, with a good capon lin’d,
      With eyes severe, and beard of formal cut,
      Full of wise saws, and modern instances,
      And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
      Into the lean and slipper’d pantaloon,
      With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
      His youthful hose, well sav’d, a world too wide
      For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
      Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
      And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
      That ends this strange eventful history,
      Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
      Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything

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    • Astree – I would like some “special consideration” today, 6/24,…how about the 24th line,…of the 6th stanza,…of the Poem, “I give you title to the gold”? That certainly would be special. ;-)

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        • Astree is correct with it being a special day today, with the 42 I mean 24 lines 6 stanzas of THE POEM but yesterday was even more special for it was Moonday.

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          • Thank you VG, that made me happy to hear that old piece. I have a few old records from that period. Just don’t have the stylus to play it. Will have to make that a priority to see if I can find one for that very old tube radio turntable combo I have. :)

            :) You make me smile.

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          • Always keep smiling deb God knows I try despite my circumstance and/or situation.

            Life is a pickle no doubt about it. Sometimes it’s sweet, other times it’s sour. I love pickles especially the fried ones from Hooters.

            E* how’bout resurrecting my Hooter masterpiece?

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          • from yesterday

            www.chasechat.com/chat/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=1486.1

            Re PO Box 8174, as ironic as it may be

            1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

            T H E T H RI L ( l of the chase)

            8174
            L T I T

            TITL e

            Okay, think I had caught both E* “title to the gold” and VGBOSS ref – (careful, VG, lol)

            vgboss:

            Life is a pickle no doubt about it. Sometimes it’s sweet, other times it’s sour. I love pickles especially the fried ones from Hooters.

            E* how’bout resurrecting my Hooter masterpiece?

            Getting ready for another Hooter … stand by

            astree

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        • vgboss – When you said, “42 I mean 24 lines 6 stanzas of THE POEM”,…were you reading between the lines again? And in honor of your “Moonday” and “Hooter masterpiece” comments:

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          • Astree I liked your work on the 8174 “Title”. Nicely done. I’m not good with working numbers into fun things but I’ll try it.

            8174
            4 numbers in total
            8+1+7+4 = 20+4=24 (24 stanzas)

            How many numbers between 74 thru 81?
            75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 = 6 numbers (6 lines per stanza)

            Add the numbers inbetween and we get?
            7+5+7+6+7+7+7+8+7+9+8+0 = 78 (What will be Forrest’s next Scrapbook)

            Hey this is fun but that should do. You all may continue with the number angle not me.

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          • My friends in case you’re pondering my 24 stanzas don’t as you already know the answer for I have posted it within this awesome blog.

            I see, read, analyze, play, etc…THE POEM as if it has multiple layers…like that of an onion. Peel it, Solve it, Peel it, Solve it, Peel it, Solve it, so and and so fourth…hence my 24 stanzas.

            It’s just my opionion. vgboss having fun as usua1.

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    • vgboss – I still like the photo of hand-tied fly in the Preface of TFTW,…but I thought your comment deserved an encore of this photo you created:

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      • E* you resurrected one of my many awesome masterpieces…sweet! Thanks!!!

        E* I posted that Today Show comment and link above as I’m in flashback mode with some tears coming down.

        E* I’m seriously thinking of grabbing the pliers and removing fenn’s fly from its tight grip on me.

        As Forrest said; you have your Entrances and you have your Exits then you go.

        E* with Dal in recuse and Stephanie in suspicion, 2 major players from the beginning of it all and who carried the trust from many on their shoulders, something is just not right…something taking shape…game pieces on the move…perhaps setting the stage for the finale.

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        • vgboss – Nooooo,…don’t go! OK,…let’s say you escape the hook in your mouth,…and get away,…for now,…you know you will be eyeing the surface of the water,…to see if Forrest is lurking up there,…on the shore,…trying to lure you in again,…with another tasty fly. Sometimes I think the Rainbow Trout,…or the biggest Brown,…is having all the fun. I mean who is luring who into “The Chase”? Don’t you think Forrest is just as ensnared in this as we are? :-)

          But if you need to remove that hook,…may I suggest this tool,…vs. the pliers you mentioned?:

          www.ebay.com/itm/Ketchum-Release-Fly-Hook-Remover-3-Different-Sizes-Fly-Fishing-/191093868951?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2c7e150997#ht_1713wt_758

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          • E*: vgboss – Nooooo,…don’t go! OK,…let’s say you escape the hook in your mouth,…and get away,…for now,…

            This might reel him back in (sorry if it’s alrady been posted)

            www.chasingthethrill.com/

            VGBOSS, I think they’re looking for a guide!

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          • Astree – I don’t know if vgboss will jump at those two finely crafted flies,…but I think you just lured Dal to rescind his recusal! I guess women aren’t as scarce in Wyoming as they used to be,…thanks to Forrest and “The Chase”. :-)

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          • vgboss – And about that hook,…and your advice to Arguss33,…about the CE5 meaning:

            Matthew 4:19 (CEV):

            19 Jesus said to them, “Come with me! I will teach you how to bring in people instead of fish.”

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          • “As I have gone alone in there”

            E* I got “it” out! Now astree I appreciate you directing me to those tempting 2 lovely flies over down by that other pond but as you can see below I just set myself free from the original, crafty, fly that Forrest hooked me via his Today Show first appearance. My friends I’ve done it tired and now I’m week.

            oh and E* about CEV (Matt.4:19) I’m a fisher of men myself as what I do for a living, here at my home, in beautiful Texas.

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          • vgboss – I feel your pain,…”Once the addiction starts, it never stops”. And I knew you were already onboard,…on the Matthew 4:19 boat. I think I see a storm coming….

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          • Astree – I guess that 1967 “The Rover” movie didn’t do so well,…even though Rita Hayworth played in the lead role:

            The film performed disappointingly at the box office, earning $225,000 in rentals internationally and $70,000 domestically. According to ABC records, it suffered an overall loss of $1,595,000.

            But the 2014 version,…with Guy Pearce and Robert Pattinson,…hits theaters today:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChM2icbWo9w

            Wasn’t there something about that gravity elevator in there somewhere?

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  8. vgboss:
    Most spiritual person around? You can’t possibly be referring to me…no way. Nice guy, poor guy, from Texas, who loves football and loves to help high school football kids get scholarships, that I do and that I am. Most spiritual nah but I’m pretty sure Forrest is acquainted,knows, of several as do you beautiful deb.

    deb is it you in the video below? That hand opening the treasure chest, with all the golden goodies, looks like your hand! Come on beautiful deb are you sure you don’t have the treasure chest under your bed and keeping it a secret from us?

    Only thing under my bed is dust bunnies and old shoes. :) I wish it were under my bed. Not my hand.

    The most spiritual quote was quoting Forrest. Are you Forrest?

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    • Deb are you asking me if I’m Forrest? Seriously? After all we have been through within dal’s old blog and this blog. Deb if you indeed are pondering this question well my answer, to you and only you, is no, it has to be a big no, for Forrest knows how to play Canasta and I don’t and for extra measure he loves to wear hush puppies and I don’t. I’m just a poor guy from Texas having fun within this blog, with this Thrill of the Chase.. Most everyone knows that I’m vgboss the joker.

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      • :) Do you really think canasta has anything to do with it? I will have to read up on it, maybe its history?

        About that poem everyone is betting on it being part of the solve.Am I the only one who looked those different poems up?

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        • Deb if the card game Canasta has anything to do with this Thrill of the Chase finale I don’t see many people playing.

          Deb Forrest did say “a few are in tight focus with a word that is key” and he also said “Spring is a time to relax and think” as well as something about “it is what they whisper” and also something to the effect that “if you do not know where to begin to stay home and play Canasta.”

          www.playonlinecanasta.com/canasta-winning-rules.html

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          • Some have based their solves on games. I dont know exactly how that would work.
            Canasta looks like too many rules is you ask me. Remembering rules have never been my strong suit. Probably why I dont like games.LOL

            Thank you for the links E* and VG

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          • Thanks E*. I also posted a link above for deb, myself and others to checkout at their leisure.

            Hey E* I wonder what the Target Score is to claim title to Forrest Fenn’s Gold…LOL

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          • vgboss – We never played Canasta with a Target Score,…when someone went “Out”,…by being able to place all of their cards down,…we just added all the scores for that hand,…then played another one. Sometimes this went on for a really long time,…which probably made my parents happy,…especially on a rainy day.

            And I plan to put Forrest through the Ringer,…playing marbles,…for TC:

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          • vgboss and JC1117 – “Target” Score,…and there is that Circle Point again,…from Astree’s E-Star crop circle:

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          • vgboss and JC1117 – That is,…”Target” scORE,…as in the circumpunct,…which is the alchemical symbol for GOLD. :-)

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          • vgboss – Yes,…I LOVE those marbles! But my Higher Self, Elyse,…prefers the beautiful glow,…of the Big Blue Marble:

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    • vgboss – “Treasure! Treasure! Treasure!,…Treasure! Treasure! Treasure!,……….Treasure! Treasure! Treasure!…………….Treasure! Treasure! Treasure!

      This will be me,…singing on the trail,…on “The Chase”. The Grizz will think I’m nuts. Thanks for the inspiration. :-)

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          • Most spiritual person around? You can’t possibly be referring to me…no way. Nice guy, poor guy, from Texas, who loves football and loves to help high school football kids get scholarships, that I do and that I am. Most spiritual nah but I’m pretty sure Forrest is acquainted, knows, of several as do you beautiful deb.

            deb is it you in the video below? That hand opening the treasure chest, with all the golden goodies, looks like your hand! Come on beautiful deb are you sure you don’t have the treasure chest under your bed and keeping it a secret from us?

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    • vgboss – Wondering if I could be the “One”,…on “The Chase”,…and if Forrest could be the Architect?:

      Neo: Why am I here?

      The Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

      Neo: You haven’t answered my question.

      The Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

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  9. Happy mothers day ladies! Here’s a classic limerick to start this wonderful day….

    There once was a man from Nantucket,
    In vain, searched so long told Fenn- “suck it!”

    Rubbing his chin,
    TTOTC in hand and with much chagrin.
    Into the river he did chuck it.

    Happy Mothers Day!!!!

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  10. Poem of the day- “if” by Rudyard Kipling

    I don’t know how to post a link, but I like the one narrated by Tom O’Bedlam
    on you tube.

    It seems appropriate in light of scrapbook 63. For Forrest.

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    • Thanks, Bob. That is a beautiful poem. I also think it applies to Forrest perfectly. He has exhibited an enormous amount of imagination and bravery and concern (i.e. care/love) for others in his lifetime. I hope one day – in the DISTANT future, mind you – he walks down the aisle through cheering multitudes of heavenly hosts to receive the Enlightened Heart Award from The Man, Himself.

      Bob, I’m also not very good with computers. It took me a while to figure out how to post YouTube videos on here. It boils down to COPY and PASTE. Once you learn that, you’re all in.

      Which reminds me…when I was a youngin’ in elementary school…they had the best paste you’ve ever tasted in your life! I challenge anyone to find better tasting paste than that stuff! I used to eat tubs of it. I wish I could remember what brand it is. The local all-you-can-stomach buffet has gravy that tastes a lot like it. It’s the closest thing I’ve found. In life when I have a hard time “making all the pieces stick together” I go to that buffet for a heapin’ helpin’ of that gravy. Mmmm…

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  11. .

    astree:

    It can be shown that AS corresponds to

    NAT

    recalling the mention of ANTS and that TAN = BROWN

    TAN = BROWN

    The poem has 6 stanza, 4 lines each
    24 lines
    Cue in – Look at each line with 24 letters

    AND TAKE IT IN THE CANYON DOWN

    Take IT TI

    Recalling the 4 hint ( 4 lines ), look at the skip code (ELS) modulo 4
    Begin for example, with the T in Take, every 4th letter

    “TI” TAN
    TITAN
    (Forrest said to “THINK BIG” – right ?)

    Your effort will be worth the cold (water)
    IC (icy)

    TITANIC

    Home of Molly Brown
    IC IT TAN (Brown)

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  12. .
    Thematic Issues

    www.peaceandlife.org/bible_verses3.html

    One of the best known verses in the (Christian) New Testament is John 3:16

    Letters 3 and 16 of the poem are I.E. ( “ that is “, id est, I dest / deist )

    The last verse of the New Testament is Revelation 22:21

    The 22 and 21 letters of the poem are

    RE(velations) – ( As I have gone alone in there )

    ( the odds of the 22 21 RE(velation) being a “coincidence” ? )

    Together, these letters form

    IE RE(ason, a son – I ‘ERE)

    ERIE

    Now, to cross-reference the John 3:16 into the Revelation

    Revelation 3:16

    So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold

    Begin it where warm waters halt

    EERIE

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      • E*: Astree – I noted that your post about “Resolving the well-known 33″,…was timed at 11:33. :)

        Good on the pre-catch …. nice synchronization !

        www.ttotc.com/the-chase-0/#comment-98276

        As well as the 33rd letter T(reasures), the 33rd word is

        TAKE

        TREASURES TAKE

        Now, your question related to noun / verb of “KEEP” can also be applied to those two.

        ( www.ttotc.com/the-chase-0/#comment-98499 )

        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

        I pulled up the IRS cod, and this is what it says:

        www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html

        “Found property. If you find and keep property that does not belong to you that has been lost or abandoned (treasure-trove), it is taxable to you at its fair market value in the first year it is your undisputed possession.”

        “Abdandoned” – not a very nice way of putting it, but seems to be apro pos … and up the creek.

        astree

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  13. OMG, I finished the solve to the poem last night and I put all the letters together and my answer. WWW halt (.com) appeared with a place I needed to go. I typed the address in and I got a popup with a email address on earthlink.net to write my answer. The response was that I will be contacted by the end of the day and congratulations. I never thought this is how it was suppose to end.
    www.titletothegold.com

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    • .
      I don’t know what to say … in shock. I will sleep on it, and look at it again tomorrow, on 4-2.

      Let us know how it goes tonight.

      Congratulations !

      You’re going to give it all to your fiance ? For giving you that inspirational chest ?

      Did you need to submit any info ?

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    • .
      Geydelkon,

      Are you going to share your story ? Did it have to do with matching up the three “T”‘s (title to the) with the WWW (where warm water) ?

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      • Gey -

        My sister-in-law called and asked my husband if some friends of hers could come and stay with us a while. He said – well, yes I guess so – and then she said they had four kids and no money. I don’t think he caught on for quite a while ———— :)

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  14. The Wolf:
    Not a weird coincidence at all … there are enough letters in each stanza to make just about any word you wish

    Exactly and the same thing if you are assigning numerical codes to words within the poem.

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    • What about Bob?: You said,…”4 Sure!”,…which made me think of possible four-letter words,…that might be there,…or hidden,…in each stanza (I think of some of these words, when I am frustrated about “The Chase”):

      Soon
      Wait
      Snow
      Hike
      Walk
      Hide
      Seek
      Must
      Hint
      Wise
      Find
      Halt
      Just
      Take
      Home
      Nigh
      Gaze
      Down
      Bold
      Gone
      Meek

      I mixed things up,…but it works for me! :-)

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  15. The poem has six stanzas. Scrambled within each stanza is the name of each area of the buffalo bill center of the west.
    Stanza one- the draper
    Stanza two- Buffalo Bill
    Stanza three- cody firearms
    Stanza four- mccracken research
    Stanza five- Indian
    Stanza six- whitney western art

    I’m a big dumb dork (blank).

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  16. It is time Mike. We need to elect a blog searcher of the month award. Hmm. What can we call the throne and how do they deserve it. I have a few in mind but we need to be specific on what justifies a blog searcher of the month. Should we have a poll. Only one can hold the “title” once per year. What do you say and what does all have to say.

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  17. .

    astree:

    V = 6th letter of 1st stanza
    I = 6th letter of 2nd stanza

    VI = 6 (Roman)

    E*: from my research into all-things-Roman-history,…and the movie

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Last night, I took our daughters to see “3 Days to Kill” – a good week-end movie, with a subplot of father-daughter.

    One of the antagonist’s names is VIVI.

    And, toward the end, there is a tense subway scene – well, if you see it and are paying attention, check the train number. I like to look at those things, a lot.

    That movie starred Kevin Costner. Another movie, coming soon and starring Kevin Costner … well, here’s the 2:31 trailer

    “ rewind that back to the start of the play “

    - youtu.be/K3SlVsdUuBY?t=42s

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  18. .
    Another interesting feature in the poem:

    Forrest Fenn = ff > f is the 6th letter of the alphabet

    V = 6th letter of 1st stanza
    I = 6th letter of 2nd stanza

    VI = 6 (Roman)

    This pattern is repeated for the stanzas 4 and 5, so giving the 66, or ff.

    These stanzas numbers 1,2,4,5 add up to 6 +6

    and have the 24 / 42

    Forrest had help with this poem.

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  19. .
    The first and last (alpha and omega) code …..

    reproduced from ( www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/sweet-fragrances )

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Each of the first two stanzas has 5 capital letters, which is suggestive of Baconian set.
    These letters are, per stanza:

    AIAIA BANPB

    Using the Baconian symbolic representations “a” and “b”, I allow “a” to represent poem capital letters that are vowels, and “b” represents consonants. Then, the first two stanza capital letters are represented by the Baconian pattern:

    aaaaa babbb

    Baconian, for the letters

    A Z

    So interesting, first and last. Thanks for the pointer.

    “AZ I have gone alone” – ZIA

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    • :) Astree,

      Nice tying of ends there ! :)
      Bacon vowels & consants gives result :)
      1st :)
      Last :)

      Applause, fans clapping

      This reminds me of nomeclature

      Match, Strike, Spark, Blaze, Fire, Light
      :) The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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      • IWGOLF & ASTREE,

        I just want to applaud you both on your methods of figuring out this chase. I don’t have the time to really dig into what you are talking about and usually just look at it with a dumb look on my face. If your way is the correct way to solve this great quest, then you both deserve it and I will be the first to congratulate you! I hope to have the time someday to learn about your methods. Until then, I have my own solve, own methods and beliefs. Hopefully we can all meet at a big after party. Keep up the good work. Let’s solve this thing!

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        • Luckydog

          That is very kind of you to say. I’m just trying to demonstrate thst one may develop relationships between varioud parts of the poem using a code-oriented spproach. Not that these specific spplications will take one to thr chest.

          Good luck
          astree

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        • :) Luckydog,

          Thank you, I urge you onward with your solve, your methods, your Beliefs. :)
          Big Party sounds fun to meet at. :)
          I urge you to keep up your good work! :)
          Solving this thing is quickly would be nice. :)

          If i was to win a really big lotto, i would create treasure hunt.
          To my thinking, a poem is the fun way of giving clues and directions for a solve, with a book attachment would contain the information needed for the puzzle, unsure if i would utilize www in such a hunt as others are now doing.
          Poems rhyme meant to be a fun way to remember things before literacy came to the masses.
          Number of clues and type of clues, range from as many desired or as few as needed for a solve. Type of clues, to have precision cipher is standard – removes ambiguity – of correct answer, meaning skill is involved, knowledge of certain Name type cipher does not insure that the puzzle creator hasn’t put in trap doors. Other types of clues, most hunts like to employ several different types – morse code – anagram – crossword box – cryptograms – jigsaw – fill in blank – acrostic – word squares – find waldo – numbers – pictures – artwork – photos – word games – color – shape – old english line riddle – size etc.

          My approach to this hunt is Deductive Reasoning
          open minded, evidence based, science based,
          Knowledge & experience of previous hunts, books, movies, games.
          I take ff at his statement that this is difficult but not impossible.
          Did you see the bottle cap puzzle i posted earlier ?
          A Treasures Trove was a fun one that was well done
          Alchemist Dar was not fun yet with 1 extra clue from author it did get solved, part was ok, (IMO) part was to confusing.
          Light
          In evaluating puzzles, one compares the answer to the clues, and clues that fit or tie together to the other clues. Is it simple and ugly or is it complex and beautiful.
          In the Dark
          Degree of Difficulty, # of steps in clue: ID, location, assembly location, quality, quanity, effort, unconventional methods, different methods combined, etc.
          Golden Horse Treasure 1 clue that required 4 different parts consisting of several parts within, all this was considered 1 clue.
          TTOTC my current thoughts, subject to change on evidence based
          Answer in English
          Cryptology is used
          Poem is not encrypted with secret location
          Poem is construction clues
          Book clues are involved with Poem clues
          Book clues

          The enemy of clarity, diffusion, confusion, concealment, obscurity…
          The Test is Logic, instinct, tactile, skill, knowledge, ability, evidence, memory, excavation, perception, senses

          IMAGINATIONX
          :) Match , Strike, Spark, Blaze, Fire, Light
          :) The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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  20. So does anyone here believe, for 1 second, that the “Chest” has been found?

    If so; do you think that the finder, the wise one, should report to Forrest Fenn about the find and also do you think the finder should post the solve and search with any video or photos if taken or available?

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    • Hi VG ,
      Like the graphics ! For one short period I thought the chest had been found , but then something happened to change my mind .

      If someone has found it , I would hope they will give details , but I would also understand if they don’t . Would hate to think I will never know the solution to this quest .

      Rebel

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      • Thanks Rebel and obviously, to you and all who visit this blog, I enjoy posting images, “it” helps make all “this” fun for me.

        So Rebel you stated that for a short period you thought the Chest had been found but that something had happened that changed your mind. What was “that something” which happened Rebel? What changed your mind? Now I completely understand if you do not want to share that intel.

        Also; you would hope the finder give details. I agree with you right there Rebel! I would love to read details of the finder’s solution to the Poem and what the finder went through during the actual search line by line, stanza by stanza, right down to the X but I also agree with you in understanding if the finder chooses not to give out details of the find and wants to remain anonymous.

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        • Vg, I dont believe its been found.
          My own solution has been evolving bit by bit and some of it has changed along the way.But my location has not changed in a long time. I had other locations but nothing fit as well as my current search area.

          One thing I have concluded is that every part of the poem may have alternative meanings depending on how I approach it. I think that was thought out on Forrests part.

          If I find the treasure I would definitely provide my solve with explanations to Forrest about how I arrived at the answers. I still believe Forrest has a book mostly ready to supply the answers in story form.

          In my solve the poem isnt just about a location. I still think of it as layers of clues.

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        • Hello VG,
          After working out what I thought was a complete solve , and going to the location and finding nothing , I e-mailed Mr. Fenn with what I had worked out .
          His answer back to me was convincing enough to make me feel that I had made a mistake on part of my solve , and that the chest was still out there .
          I know many have said Mr. Fenn would never give a yes or no regarding clues in this chase , and I agree with that , but the wording I received back convinced me the chest is/was still out there . I can’t be more detailed than this .
          Rebel

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  21. @Chris Yates- awhile back you and I had a lively discussion about correct solutions to the puzzle. It could be we were both right. You said there is only one correct solution that will produce the treasure. You should have said one correct solution to the bronze box. That is a true statement. I was saying there are many correct solutions, and this was Fenns goal, to send as many people as possible into many different places searching for “the treasure”. So, turns out we were both right. Well, if it turns out that there is indeed a code within the poem to be broken that leads to the bronze box.

    Captain Kirk: “warp speed Scottie!”

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  22. inthechaseto:
    Iwgolf -

    You must have been in the army – cuz you got that part right.

    :) inthechaseto,

    Army ??? ah no way, that’s why i took spanish 3 & french 2, no war for me…traveling north or south.. to be dressing like the dogs (fox)
    Granpa’s were WW41 vets both, have Xuncle has a 20+ career in military.

    LOL, maybe in Bill Murray’s army, That’s the Fact Jack, traveling thru europe in a RV.
    What an imagination inthechaseto you have.

    Speaking of Augusta, The Treasure Hunter book by Robin Moore is about his friend Howard Jennings, found Augusta (Roatan Island) & a treasure chest of small bag of gold & 64 lb bar of Silver.
    Howard Jennings, from east Texas, WW2 youngest aircraft commander in the 8th Air Force, Pilot of Liberator bomber in 329th Squadron of the 93rd Bomb Group.

    There’s something about Air Corp / Force pilots from Texas and Treasure hunting

    :)MSSFBL

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    • IWGolf- along that line, check Roald Dahl author of “Charley and the Chocolate Factory” biography on wiki. Military service, and then read his poem entitled “Television”
      These guys do possess a certain gene.

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  23. Bob:
    Musstag- I’m having trouble following too but all things considered its worth the trouble to understand.I’m slowly catching on. I just learned last night that “golf chess and cheese society is a nickname for a WW2 school in Britain for “government cryptology and code school.

    :) Bob,

    British Gov’t Code & Cipher School,
    Where did you learn about it ?

    Match, Strike, Spark, Blaze, Fire, Light

    :)GOLF

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    • Iwgolf- I googled “golf chess and cheese society”
      And I googled “IWGolf”….a company in Dallas TX.

      I like what you and astree are doing, complicated and the possibilities are as endless as inthechaseto and her “44 layers”.

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      • Bob – here’s the deal –

        The possibilities are not endless – first the book, the poem, or the clues must take you there. That narrows things down considerably.

        I’ll bet I have looked at two hundred people – and if they don’t make me say Yes, Yes, Yes – right on. They go on the out list.

        FF has been generous in the way he gives clues – and there is always more than one clue to each person.

        This is not a walk in the park and is not easy.

        Think about the number of people – why did he do so many? It hit me this afternoon – it’s because as I have said before there is more than one place. Three places in fact.

        To find a coordinate it takes 12-16 numbers – depending on if you are using decimals or not. I have found 44 numbers I think are relevant.

        FF does everything precisly – so why so many?

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        • no he isn’t doing it precisely, well it depends on how you describe it, or how you want to present it

          i think thats why he starts off the book saying “as one man can average out the truth”

          he is throwing a lot of number clues out there that are hovering around a certain proximity, you have to average out the mass of numbers and a certain narrow precision does begin to emerge

          you have to weigh and balance and find them all or almost all, to see where the precision ultimately rests but really its not done with precision, it more or less all averages out to something close to precision

          i am trying to explain it the best i can from someone who is putting things together from the outside looking in .

          in f’s mind there may be precision, but that is not the same as saying he fully understands what it would be like being the one who is trying to put his pieces together

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        • Inthechaseto- so why so many? Obviously to cause confusion.

          …FF has been generous in the way he gives clues….

          Yes, to cause confusion.

          …first the book, poem or the clues must take you there. That narrows things down considerably.

          I disagree, he intended book poem and clues to take us everywhere except where the bronze Romanesque lock box is located. That’s the nature of this whole thing. I think now that Forrest’s treasure, hidden treasure, chest, trove, million dollar treasure, or whatever other name you want to give it is not in reference to the bronze Romanesque lock box. These “treasures” of which he speaks and writes are our national parks. Can anybody find where Forrest or Dal has stated that the tresure is the bronze Romanesque lock box? And I don’t mean by implication using a photograph.
          I also think that Astree, IWgolf, and Chris Yates are on the right path to a solution. If your path leads you to south of Santa fe, keep going. If your path leads you to an elevation to below 5,000 ft. Keep going. Those clues and others were intended to lead to the treasure, not the bronze box.

          On Dal’s blog home page….Forrest is crafty at letting you believe something he never said.

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      • :) Bob,

        Doing your own work is very rewarding. I am humble by your comment, although i am not associated the Dalles company, that i never heard of …learn something new all the time.
        I got the Golf Chess & Cheese Society from PBS Masterpiece Theater program “Endeavor” the episode “Girl”, the point in that episode was Endeavor Morse had military training in that Gov’t program and as he solves mysterious numbers and references message from the last murdered victim pointing out the killer.
        This struck me with ff photo on page 74, working for a length of time for a General, he speaks of survival school, and with Vietnam prisoners using a tap code…why not some code school work in his 20 year military history.
        Here in TTOTC Epilogue section i have link to Bletchley Park code breakers that talks about GC&CS.
        Lastly, i would have gladly answered the meaning fo GC&CS,
        since i like golf and have screen name with golf, the nick name of cryptology school Golf just fit together well, since precise is applied to cipher and code is more general.

        Match, Strike, Spark, Blaze, Fire, Light
        :)MSSBFL

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  24. inthechaseto:
    Yes, Yes Yes, VG – now you are on the right bike path!

    That was a pretty unknown fact and not easy to find – good job.

    BTW -

    He said it in responce to an e-mail on Dal’s blog – Forrest gets mail – I think.

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  25. .
    There has been much talk about the many ways the 24 is encoded into the poem (and book) and the inverse also, being 42, as in the weight of the treasure.

    Take the word count:

    AS I HAVE GONE ….

    words 2, 4, 24, 42

    I GONE AND TOO

    I GO NE AND TO O……

    ( where the final word in the series, is word forty-”two” confirmed by the “too” )

    astree

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  26. Did Forrest Fenn say that a person, on a bike, was so frightenly close to his “Chest” that if everyone knew how close he was they would faint? If so; please point me to either the article or video where he stated this. Thanks!

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    • He didn’t say anything near that about bikes . In referrence to a question about leaving his body on top of the chest, what would he do with the Car he drove there?, (something like that) and he said ‘whats wrong with throwing the bike in the water high?’
      There was no need to post a pic of a bike to that post.

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        • Thank you inthechaseto I appreciate that.

          Forrest Fenn stated within his poem to hear him and listen good…. apparently many are not adhering to the Poem and it’s why this Chase is so much fun and why I simply am unable to go in peace because it’s simply wonderful, divine!

          Many on this Chase are not tapping into their kid like imagination and it’s not wise to just be a lurker, one must take a seat at a Poker table and play.

          Forrest Fenn is a wise, very wise, an extremely wise man and when someone like that says that the person who discovers where his “Chest” is will not be able to keep it quite. He knew that person would respect his quote for the person sees why…the answers Forrest already knew way far in advance.

          I’m having so much fun! Thank you inthechaseto, thank you Mike, thank you everyone who posts comments within this blog, Stephanie’s blog as well as Dal’s blog. And thank you Forrest Fenn for giving me a whole knew meaning to LIFE (GOD)…what a phenomena all this has been!

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          • On the imagination, its very important to the chase. We must all try and view through a childs eyes.

            Im not sure about the bike idea, except a bike trail is something you could follow. Ruts in the ground, like wagon wheels would make.
            When Forrest posted that responce I believe it was because people were focusing on water deep enough for a canoe.

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    • VGBoss

      f made 2 comments related to ‘faint’ and they can both be found in the video interviews linked on this blog, ill post the text below

      this one is from moby dickens book shop 110213, i think it is around 8 to 9 minute mark

      “There are several people that have deciphered the first 2 clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest, and I’m not gonna tell those people who they are because one of them particularly would faint, I know, and, she’d tear the countryside up tryin to figure out where they’d been”

      this one is from CW bookstore, 102213, sometime past the 32 minute mark if i recall

      Stephanie: “who’s been closer, me or Dal?”
      Forrest: “If I’d told you that, you’d faint”

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  27. Merry Christmas everybody.
    My gift to all is Forrest’s serious recital
    of lines from his poem and Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka singing. The two in a magical duet.
    (quiet please)

    Forrest recites boldly:
    As I have gone alone in there
    and with my treasures bold!

    Gene Wider singing to music:
    Come with me,
    And you’ll be,
    In a world of pure imagination…

    FF: begin it where warm waters halt
    and take it in the canyon down!

    GW sings:
    Take a look,
    and you’ll see,
    Into your imagination…

    FF: not far but too far to walk
    put in below the home of brown!

    GW:
    We’ll begin,
    With a spin,
    Traveling in the world of my creation…

    FF: from there it’s no place for the meek
    the end is ever drawing nigh.

    GW:
    What we’ll see,
    Will defy,
    Explanation!

    FF: there’ll be no paddle up your creek
    just heavy loads and water high.

    GW:
    If you want to view paradise,
    Simply look around and view it,
    Anything you want to, do it!
    Want to change the world?
    There’s nothing to it….

    FF: be wise, find the blaze.

    GW:
    There is no,
    Life I know,
    To compare with pure imagination….

    FF: take the chest and go in peace.

    GW:
    Being there,
    You’ll be free,
    If you truly wish to be.

    FF: I give you titles to the gold.

    Glacier nat’l park, Montana
    Yellowstone, Wyoming
    Rocky Mtn. Nat’l park, Colorado
    Bandolier nat’l park, New Mexico

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  28. I think saying he hid the chest 15 years after he got cancer (1988+15=2003, 73 years old), is an ‘intentional’ error as he has done before including in the book TTOTC, let me explain the reasons for my conclusion

    First reason, there is the statement not to go where a 79 or 80 year old couldn’t take a 42 lb chest. Also the statement that he won’t say if he hid it in 2009 or 2010. Now both of these statements have been made multiple times while the recent comment that calculates out to 2003 stands out in contrast. It is more likely the 2003 comment is in error.

    Second reason. Couple months back, I wrote a post on a word doc for this blog about page 73 of the book, how F is using that page and that number to tell us something, it has to do with hint of riches new and old.

    I decided not to post it, and I was going to post it again right before I left last time but decided not to again. I feel like it is particularly dangerous intel and could help lead one to the right specific spot if they were already in the right general area. It could still apply to my area, if I have the right area, but I am currently undecided on that.

    But as to the 2nd reason, when I first heard that he said 15 years which means he woulda been 73, I laughed, because to me I think he is just bringing attention to 73. Not that he actually hid it when he was 73.

    This appears to me of course to confirm what I found on that page as a clue, and also means that I am less inclined to post it here now, sorry = (

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    • Something else I remembered after I posted that

      In the 2nd stanza, if you separate out 2 of the w’s it can read like

      Begin it ‘ww’ here war maters, halt

      Begin it where war matters, if a hint, would be referring to MWFM, where does it begin? Page 73

      So go to where he is talking about how war matters, go to where it begins, page 73, and halt (stop) there

      There is something there maybe. perhaps a hint he put into the poem here

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    • :) Chris Yates,

      I find that “15″ is the more important referance, 15 years , 85/ 15 % accuracy. Using your system of #’s to refer to TTOTC page # 15 has Extra large size reddish body text, 1 complete whole page…only 1 in book, along with only 1 the X + =” * asterisk” just after Steps. (period)

      TGC&CS

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    • Page 73 is also the middle of the book. Last page is 147, Axman picture is page 146. MWFM (which begins on p. 73), Me in the Middle, the number 73, and the axman picture are all connected together. I have always believed Me in the Middle is an important clue tying several others together. Check the photo titled “Me” in the middle of the Yellowstone album page and compare the clothes to the boy in middle of the marble drawing on page 33.

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  29. .
    ( Mike, I can’t get the link for “The Chase” to work, so posting here)

    From the Moby Dickens Nov 02 2013 event ( thanks Halogetter):

    www.ttotc.com/?page_id=442#comment-52400

    “So, it was 15 years from the time that I got cancer until the time that I hid the treasure chest. 15 years.”

    “…that’s why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old”
    .
    .
    I’m getting honked up on the timeline. I think Forrest is implying that he was nowhere near 79 or 80 when he hid the chest.

    I’m not sure when he was born, but have a vague idea it was early 1930’s, say 1932. ( This lines up with the “at age 79” on p. 15 of “The Thrill of the Chase”, if, say that page was written about 2011 ?)

    So, working from that

    1932, age 0

    1990, diagnosed with cancer at age 58 (p. 128 “The Thrill of the Chase”, is the time of being diagnosed the same as “getting cancer”?)

    2005, age 73, hid the chest ( 2005 = 1990 + 15 years, see the quote above, from the Moby Dickens event )

    2012, wrote the poem, “almost” age 80, ( p. 130 “The Thrill of the Chase”, “ at age almost 80, I decided it was time to act. So I wrote a poem. “)

    But it sounds like he decided to write the poem around 2012, but elsewhere we are lead to believe it took 15 years to write the poem, between something like 1990 and 2005 ?

    What did I miss-quote ?

    Thanks,
    astree

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    • .
      This would be quite strange, to me at least, if he hid the chest when he was something like 73, but did not publish his hunt until he was 79.

      Six years, according to him, that the chest was hidden with no one aware of it but him. Six years for an unforeseen incident to happen, and no one would ever know about the chest ?

      Either my math is way off, or something else is not lining up.

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      • He is in the middle, I found his sisters death notice and she was born in 1932. Forrest says skippy was 2 years older and June 2 years younger. That makes his birth year 1930.

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      • .
        Thank-you Bob, azuredeb, and Jack (for the quote and reference).

        So, he was diagnosed at age 58, or 1988 ( 1930+58).

        Hiding the chest 15 years later, in 2003, still at age 73.

        ( This is one reason I like to get to the original source, because there are websites advising not to try to go where an 80 year-old man couldn’t go to hide a (two trip) 42 lb box ) …. But, Forrest said he was 58+15.

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    • Astree- maybe when he says ” time to act” means put pencil to paper.
      Until that time the stanzas were floating around in his mind. I know I’ve got a bunch of stuff floating around in mine.
      (yeah, ok go ahead)
      Lol

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      • It seems to me that the story is that he wrote the poem when he was originally diagnosed with cancer and the last line was “just leave my bones”. So there was a poem written for his original plan. The plan changed when he beat the cancer and thus he had to change the poem. I believe he used the same basic poem (probably some editing but the same structure), especially stanzas 1, 5, and 6 but changed stanzas 2,3, and 4 to describe the trail to the new hiding place.

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        • According to the Newsweek article, he was diagnosed the year after his father died (1987), so he was diagnosed in 1988, if the article is accurate. The idea occurred to him then, but it’s not clear if he wrote anything then.

          “The idea for the treasure dates to 1987, when Fenn’s father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. The man took 50 sleeping pills and died at home in Texas, a few hours before Forrest could land in his single-engine Rockwell Commander. The following year, Fenn was diagnosed with kidney cancer and given a slim chance of living. He started thinking about what he would leave behind. “What can one person do that might impact life a thousand years from now?” he asked himself. One idea was to bury bronze bells, stuffed with his life story. He has buried eight of them so far.

          His other idea was the treasure chest. There has been a 20-odd-year delay for the simple reason that Fenn beat cancer. But he has used his second lease on life very much like he used his first. He sold his gallery, built a mansion on the Old Santa Fe Trail, and bought himself his very own Indian ruin. (America is the only wealthy country that gives land owners title to archeology, putting artifacts in the same category as oil or gold.)”
          Here is a link to the article:

          mag.newsweek.com/2012/08/19/forrest-fenn-wants-you-to-find-his-treasure-and-his-bones.html

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          • I wouldnt go by that article. Forrest has said that particular reporter made things up to fill out his story.

            I took my figures from Forrests book and from the social security death index.

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    • Well they dont call you”cured” of cancer until you reach the seventh anniversary of when you first are considered free of cancer. So maybe that plays into this somehow?
      Yes that fits the timeline.
      Born 1930
      cancer 1988 plus 7 years remission,
      1995 …plus 15 years working on poem brings us to 2010.

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      • :),

        per FF, he made 2 trips to secrete his treasure,
        maybe
        1st 2003 to hid Bronze chest
        2nd 2009/2010 to fill chest with troves of gold, jewerly, jewels, glasses, minature memoir.

        TGC&CS

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        • :) Astree,

          Hide box of letters chest in 2003, check on it thru time and find nobdy found it and took it away. Made 2 trips, but were the trips on the same day?

          Has already Buried 8 BellJars (s. plath?) in New Mexico per video PBS interview.

          Change the 2 1930 in web address and you can find Paul and Robert Bobby Eckels, i think 1928 and 1932 ( both locations in web address), the main street Cow-boys in green ink on Gyspy Magic.

          As far as 1 R, 2 different names on Richard’s site in 3 posts by f.

          Ruby a gem?

          TGC&CS

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  30. Jack

    I don’t seem to possess the “degree” of talent many of you on this site seem to have.

    Never say something like that. If you listen carefully to Forrests latest video at Moby Dickens, he talks about how poorly he did in high school but how it never held him back.

    In my opinion he also gave two very good hints that will help us all. Its an equal playing field if we just all pay attention.

    deb

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  31. Woody Bogg:
    Contrary to what anyone believes I feel it’s the right place. I only know of this place because I grew up there and know this place from knowing those mountains better than anyone else.

    Yes, you could be right, but also you could be looking under YOUR street light, because it’s more convenient.

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  32. inthechaseto:
    Because the place reminded him of what he saw in VietNam.It has a waterfall and a beautiful green valley.IMO

    you hit it right on the nail It does have a waterfall and and a beautiful vally

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  33. Liv said,
    “drawing the poem”
    “I told this before, from the poem, one has to draw lines (like an architect) in order to find the blaze – X marks the spot.

    I think that he has a marble headstone with the chest.
    He almost says it as an INNUENDO (the word is there) on the last page of TTOTC.”

    Liv, you almost perfectly described my first search. I should probably post this under searches, but I want to keep the location as a backup in case I decide to search it a third time. Right now I am abandoning the location and focusing on a new one. But it is a beautifully elegant solution (IMHO!) so I thought it might be of interest because it fits so closely to your statements. So here is the abridged version without the “whole truth” that gives away the location:

    Using Google Earth, I started at my WWWH starting point. The number 24 seems to be important in the structure of the poem so I drew a line from the starting point that was 24 degrees from due north. It seems that 24 miles would be a distance that is not far, but too far to walk, so I made my 24 degree line 24 miles long and lo and behold, it ended at the home of a famous person named Brown! Below the home of Brown, my line crossed a main highway forming a perfectly symmetrical X. The X was below the home of Brown both geographically and in elevation. When I measured from the X to the home of Brown, the distance was exactly 9 miles another important number in the poem. It was also 9 miles east of a mountain peak with a name that is referenced in the book and both the X and the peak are on the same latitude and the digits of the decimal expression of that latitude line add up to 24. The X is at the entrance to an area of public land that is not managed or owned by the federal government and the parking area is in the shape of an omega with a grass island in the middle that is the same shape as the 3 marbles in the drawing on page 33. “Me in the Middle” fits the location in many different ways, including the fact that the name of the place has the letters “me” exactly in the middle. There is a river, railroad, power lines, and a bridge (all fitting heavy loads and water high). The access road and parking area are gravel (a gravel maze).

    We searched the area for two days using metal ground probes and a metal detector. I have also always believed that a gravestone is with the chest, probably on top of it. Near the end of the second day, I found this stone under about 2 inches of loose dirt (see photo). My heart was racing as we started digging. Alas, it was not a scant or grave marker, but a thick rock with a flat top. We finally gave up the search and went sightseeing. We happened to wander into an art gallery in another town where I saw some geodes that were large enough for a person to sit inside. A light bulb went on in my brain. The stone is a geode and the treasure chest is inside! After purchasing a hammer and chisel, we went back to crack open the stone and claim the treasure. No geode and no treasure! But a perfect solution to the poem. That was in June. We returned in October after finding new possible clues on how to search it, but no luck. Now on a new starting point, and new adventures next summer.

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    • There is an X in the poem, and here is another clue:

      Read the words on the fold out page with the map.
      He admits there is an X on the map, in spirit.
      Well… the poem is on the map, ergo the “spirited” X within the poem is consequently on the map.

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  34. IMO there is not a cipher or coded message in the poem. There are a lot of very intelligent people,including professional cryptologists, looking for one. If there was one, someone would have found it by now and found the treasure. FF’s recent statements about an “architect”, “drawing the poem”, “I wasn’t playing games with the poem” leads me to believe that there is not a cipher, but there are clues in how the poem is structured.

    I think the poem itself describes a specific geographic location, features, and trail written in a carefully crafted way. He did hide coded hints or clues in the text and drawings of the book to help us interpret the poem and how he structured or built the poem. For example, the fact that there are 24 lines in the poem, no x (24th letter), omega is also 24th letter of the alphabet relates to the date he returned from the war, 12/24/1968 (found in the book) which in turn relates to how he structured the poem, putting the beginning, middle, and end of the trail in stanzas 2,3,4. 2x3x4=24. The poem’s structure confirms this with 9 clues, 9 sentences, 9 capital I’s (the 9th letter). Then the references in the book to 9: 9 mile hole, 9 years old when he found his first treasure, an arrowhead. Again references to the trail in the poem. 2+3+4=9. There are many other examples that have been pointed out. I think this is the approach that will lead to the solution. I don’t believe he put a cipher within the poem.

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    • “drawing the poem”
      I told this before, from the poem, one has to draw lines (like an architect) in order to find the blaze – X marks the spot.

      Did he say something about somebody being close for a minute? Hmmm, I wonder…

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      • I have never deviated from my solve The poem and the description of the poem led me to a place with everything there. The blaze the waterfall the frogs the colors of the rainbow the beauty the place the tranquility one way in one way out and the cold Contrary to what anyone believes I feel it’s the right place. I only know of this place because I grew up there and know this place from knowing those mountains better than anyone else.

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    • Jack

      Really enjoyed reading your search details, especially how you discovered the X using 24 degrees.

      I, too tried using degrees, but never came up with an X-spot like yours.

      I don’t seem to possess the “degree” of talent many of you on this site seem to have.

      If I find it, it will be purely accidental or devine intervention :)

      Keep on writing about your search activities – enjoy your posts (along with many other peoples).

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    • Jack

      Really enjoyed reading your search details, especially how you discovered the X using 24 degrees.

      I, too tried using degrees, but never came up with an X-spot like yours.

      I don’t seem to possess the “degree” of talent many of you on this site seem to have.

      If I find it, it will be purely accidental or divine intervention :)

      Keep on writing about your search activities – enjoy your posts (along with many other peoples).

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    • .
      “IMO there is not a cipher or coded message in the poem. … If there was one, someone would have found it by now and found the treasure.”

      I shall have to whole-heartedly disagree. One reason will not be posted, some others are now given.

      There are many cypers which remain unbroken for many many years. The Beale and Kryptos cyphers are examples.

      Secondly, the chest itself has not been found, so believed by the majority. But this does not suggest that the chest is not hidden. So too with a hidden cypher.

      astree

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      • Many paths he may have hidden to help us find the treasure. I love the diversity of ideas which I see displayed here. I would urge us all to keep our minds open, we have much to learn from one another.

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  35. .
    www.ttotc.com/news/#comment-46869

    “The puzzle a multi-level ciphertext akin to the Percival Arpee’ approach.”

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    As to have given numerous examples of several coding techniques, as fortune may have it, not much attention has been wrought.

    Some puzzlers have noticed that the poem is lacking only the “X”.

    Given the above factors, it is safe to say that one of the hints Forrests gives is

    SHORTEN TEN

    This appears to confirm itself, by the repeat of the TEN, and so as to the Romans

    X = 10.

    The X is confirmed along the route, toward the end.

    astree

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  36. ltj: Thanks memeWas looking for comment on chasechat.com and will concentrate on posts from 2 days ago now

    It’s under the section From Forrest. Some guy wrote a book and said he found it. Someone asked Forrest if it was true and they posted his comment.

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  37. ltj:
    into

    Thanks for clarification.

    I wasn’t being serious about him taking a break – jk as usual

    But the comment about the snow ff made could be an actual clue.

    If the comment was before the big blizzard, would mean don’t go because TC’s in the area where the blizzard is most likely to be.

    If comment after the big blizzard – then means snow hasn’t fallen where the TC is located, but of course the snow is coming – eventually.

    Does that make any sense ??

    it makes perfect sense

    and i think you would be correct in concluding that he said it because the area where the trove is hidden, has not had heavy snow yet, and is still searchable

    but it is coming soon, the area i am going to typically gets it late Nov to early Dec but i have a feeling because of the weather patterns this year it will be earlier than usual, so the window may be 3 weeks. for my area i mean, but of course i think its the right area :)

    not last time, but the time before that i was there, it was snowing but not enough and the snow was not keeping on the ground, plus there is tall tree cover out there in the woods, so it really needs to snow to cover the ground

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    • Not me but I guess others have run out of stuff to talk about?

      Im very happy the forrests will be open again! In NM they have been closed for more time than they were open.We get a little time before it gets too cold to venture out safely.
      :)
      I am still pondering what the cold means in the poem….

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    • Given Up? Perhaps the cold weather is having a re-focusing effect. But here’s part of a recent comment from Forrest that was posted on the other site by Stephanie, in response to another claim that the treasure chest does not exist:

      “The treasure is still where I hid it and with winter snows coming soon its location will probably remain unknown, at least until spring.”

      I’m sure that Forrest wants searchers to be safe with the difficult weather conditions. But that statement by Forrest perhaps tells more than it says…

      SYand42lbsHeavier,
      Halogetter

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      • Maybe its also the new book, people figuring out what the new stories mean?
        I really have enjoyed the new book, trying to figure out what it is Forrest wants us to see.The photos and illustrations alone made it worth the purchase.

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      • With all the clues FF has given us lately you’d think searchers would want to talk about them. But maybe their just not picking up on the football thing. I’ve got it.

        I too am still pondering “in the cold” and what it means. I think he may be talking about the ground – not being frozen – just cold.. You know there is a window of time – just like when the postman comes. Windows all over the book. Now – may be a little late for this year and next Spring may still be a little early. Just depends on Mr Frosty.

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      • Was this comment before or after the snow that hit Wyoming and parts of Colorado?

        Could you post link?

        Could be important and dangerous intel – beeeecaaaause – snow is coming – not has already come……

        Or – maybe he wants a break and this statement might discourage people to continue the search until spring :)

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        • Taos has also had snow. That comment on chasechat.com was made two days ago. The snow in New Mexico, Wyoming, and Montana has already happened. I think Colorado has had snow also, but didn’t read that anywhere. I dont think it can be found when there is snow. Some people do go out in the winter looking. I wouldnt.

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        • Hi ltj -

          I was referring to the new story on Dal’s blog. The one about going to the store – to get food to watch the Broncos and the Cowboys. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

          I don’t think FF would discourage anyone from the chase. He wants us to have fun.

          Regarding the cold comment – I was just referring to the poem.

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          • into

            Thanks for clarification.

            I wasn’t being serious about him taking a break – jk as usual :)

            But the comment about the snow ff made could be an actual clue.

            If the comment was before the big blizzard, would mean don’t go because TC’s in the area where the blizzard is most likely to be.

            If comment after the big blizzard – then means snow hasn’t fallen where the TC is located, but of course the snow is coming – eventually.

            Does that make any sense ?? :)

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  38. .
    www.ttotc.com/books/tftw/#comment-28022

    ( upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Millais-Blind_Girl.jpg/220px-Millais-Blind_Girl.jpg )

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Therefore, to show how “Your effort will be worth the cold” is used to derive the word ART,
    which has played a central part in Forrest’s life.

    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g396/astree0/Thrill_of_Chase/ToC_The_Cold_Art_Stanza1_vizResource_01Oct13_zps24477eba.jpg

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  39. Poem Stats ………….

    8 Periods
    1 Question Mark
    13 Commas
    1 semicolon
    5 Apostrophes

    6 Stanzas 4 lines per Stanza 166 total words

    27.6666… avg words per Stanza

    6.91666… avg words per line

    Number of words in each line :
    7, 5, 6, 7 6,7,7,7 8,6,7,6 8,7,6,8 7,7,8,6

    In each Stanza: 25, 27, 29, 29, 29, 28

    #of words every 2 lines: 12, 13, 13, 14, 14, 13, 15, 14, 14, 14

    Number of Letters in Poem: 602
    … (with ‘answer’ singular line 19 of poem) … 601

    Avg letters per Stanza 100.3333… Avg letters per line 25.0833…

    Letters per line 23 ,22, 21, 24 Stanza 1 = 90
    26, 24, 21, 24 Stanza 2 = 95
    29, 23, 28, 26 Stanza 3 = 106
    31, 31, 27, 28 Stanza 4 = 117
    20, 27, 22, 26 Stanza 5 = 95 (94 w/o ‘s’)
    24, 28, 25, 22 Stanza 6 = 99

    Letter Frequency A=19 B=11 C=12 D=28 E=82 F=12 G=11 H=31
    I=36 J=2 K=11 L=27 M=11 N=41 O=50 P=6 Q=2
    R=36 S=24 T=53 U=17 V=10 W=23 X=0 Y=15 Z=2

    Shortest line by # of words: Line 2 ‘And with my treasures bold,’ 5 words

    Shortest line by # of letters: Line 17 ‘So why is it that I must go’ 20 letters

    Longest Line by number of words: Lines 9, 13, 16, 23 8 words in each

    Longest line by number of letters: Lines 13, 14 31 letters in each

    Syllable pattern 8,6,7,8 8,8,7,8 8,8,8,8 8,8,8,8 8,8,8,8 8,8, 8, 8

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    • for some reason the editor here isnt working so here are corrections for the above

      Number of words in each line :

      7,5,6,7
      6,7,7,7
      8,6,7,6
      8,7,6,8
      8,8,5,8
      7,7,8,7

      In each Stanza: 25, 27, 27, 29, 29, 29

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  40. .
    He referenced a 10th clue, and indentifies it as such. However, it looks like a repeat of one of the nine, so technically only nine clues identified.

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  41. vgboss:
    “I will know the treasure is safe?”

    What are you saying? That the Chest is still in Forrest Fenn’s safe?

    The thing is, there is a safe associated with SAnta FE .

    ( that nta and brown are basically the same, well … )

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  42. I hope if anyone ever finds the treasure that they will take a photo in situ , so all the rest of us can see what it looks like , and it’s surroundings . They can do that without revealing the exact location of where they found it . Good luck to all searchers .

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    • I hear you Rebel and yes I will be sure to take a photo of where I found it, that’s if I find it ofcourse, and I will let everyone, on this Chase, know without actually revealing the exact location of where I found it. But it will be a tough photo shot but I’ll crop it, nice and tight, and show the hidey X spot to everyone. For example something like this:

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      • That’ll work VG . I know you are quite capable of giving us a beautiful reveal in the event that you find it . I have enjoyed all your graphics so far . Keep up the excellent work , and good luck on your hunt .
        Rebel

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        • Hey VG , If this chase is ever concluded , you might want to put up a website so all of us Fennicky people can get our daily dose of Mr. VG’s lighthearted humor . I for one would like to know the real VG and would happily subscribe . You have brought much needed relief to what at times was way too much seriousness .
          Rebel

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          • Thanks Rebel.

            I don’t know you like I don’t know Forrest Fenn but I appreciate your kind words.

            Yes this Chase is full of seriousness by many people and I understand that for there are potential Millions at stake within the Chest but me personally I try to keep it fun for I understand the odds are great of the Chest being found. It’s like hitting the mega lotto you know…very difficult/impossible….so I figured, told myself when I started on this Chase months ago, that if I’m going to jump into this Chase I’m going to have lots of fun with it and get something out of it if not the Chest.

            So if someone finds the Chest this second, in a couple of hours, some time today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, etc.. Well atleast I got something out of it. Study and researching by trying to solve The Poem…food for the brain, going out on searches…great adventure, and having fun in this blog…bring laughter or atleast a smile to others who appreciate it and most importantly to myself. It’s a win win situation for me.

            That is a great idea Rebel…the finder creating a blog/website and post everything, as to how he or she solved the Poem, what he or she went through, along with photos and videos. That would be awesome…but then again would he or would she…what if they found it on federal, government, private, tribal, etc….property?

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      • Thank you Rebel. Anything to help keep this Chase interesting and fun but I know it won’t be fun and interesting for several searchers when it’s found by someone else other than themselves especially those that have been at this for over over 2 years and have been on over 10 searches. They will be ticked off and angry.

        But yes, you bet I will post something, if I find it ofcourse, because I know there are some who would like to know and won’t be ticked off and will praise and give proper props, show great sportsmanship, to the finder.

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        • The way real sportsman and sportswomen should behave. But you are right , there will be sore losers . It’s not whether you win or lose , but how you play the game .

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          • If I find the treasure – it will be close to a boundary line and in a stream. Co laws say a stream is game and legal. So, that’s where it will be. I will take lots of photo’s and everyone can decide what side of the line it was found on and what part of the stream – as I would be so excited – I would not remember.

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          • Thanks a lot inthechaseto now I have to change my entire game plan and start looking into streams. Just freaking great!!! Back to the drawing board.

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          • VG -

            Naaaww – You just keep lookin where you’re lookin –
            then I will know the treasure is safe. LOL

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          • “I will know the treasure is safe?”

            What are you saying? That the Chest is still in Forrest Fenn’s safe?

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  43. astree: “What” was the dog’s name.

    So, in application to the puzzle, for example:

    from “thErE” it’s no place for the mEEk, flows from the previous location on the route, and as well to the next spot. ( these confirmers are not being shown here ). But, as well, the Meek’s were not for the East, which would be a sort of aside, instead of working the main path.

    These are not clues, but lead to the next clue. So there is some bit of work between clues.

    astree

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  44. ,
    Trying to assemble and make sense out of the clues at this point.

    ( Note: The following is NOT how I believe how Forrest intended them to be used. )

    On a lark, Took one (WALE), went to maps.google.com, and got this:

    ” … heavy loads and water high ” (whale),

    ” … no paddle up your creek” >>> “yourname creek” at site

    ( zoom out )

    Brown’s Lake, etc.

    (not pursuing, cause it’s not using a proper solve, just dart throwing, but thought the “yourname creek” was interesting)

    maps.google.com/maps?q=Wale+Creek+Road,+Helmville,+MT&hl=en&ll=46.898472,-113.105192&spn=0.018034,0.045276&sll=35.40803,-114.241364&sspn=0.010756,0.022638&oq=wale+rd&t=h&hnear=Wale+Creek+Rd,+Helmville,+Powell,+Montana+59843&z=15

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  45. Now I feel I have the key to “The Poem”. It will be a task but I feel I will come to the answer of why my spot isn’t what it seems. So you ask, what does Geydelkon know about the poem? The answers you already know you have said it many times….just saying…..speaking or reading it the same but different, you have to follow it precisely. The answer is in “The Poem”. A few of you have asked why the poem was titled the way it is. I know I have read the comment in a few blogs. Will I go and get the chest? No. Yes, it is heating up….the chase has taken a whole new direction for me.

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      • I should of said “keys”. There are two parts to the poem. One to get you there the other in how to get it. Should post this under Dangerous Intel…. I will wait for awhile…I might be going up too the mountains in a few weeks, but would rather wait to have that hot chocolate time. No I won’t be getting it this year.

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        • This. I am convinced there is a double interpretation (at least two, if not more) to the poem. One of my top spots has the poem at a macro scale to get you into the right area, then you start from the beginning again and go right to it, within 10 sq ft or so.

          I like your where to go / how to get it dichotomy also.

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  46. .
    And lo the package appeared before him.

    Just a hypothetical question at this time – if one decodes the message, and it explicitly says to search somewhere other than the Rocky Mtns. noth of Santa Fe, would you go ?

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  47. .
    I guess so, b ut devious.

    He used the numerical atbash equivalent of the location to code against the poem’s page number. Good luck.

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  48. Possible… what is a clue?

    @ Color
    @ Sound
    @ Number
    @ Missing
    @ Word
    @ Death
    @ Mark
    @ Sign
    @ Letter
    @ Symbol

    Interesting that a clue can be anything,
    also that many have searched different areas
    and yet 2 clues solved results to an area that had searchers
    Which 2 clues did they solve to get where?
    What’s your take on the 2?

    This is a paradox to those who are poem pureist…
    indeed the poem my contain clues of 9
    and the x spot contained in such, ( possible )
    Interesting that the Body of text prior to the poem tells 1
    that 9 clues Contained need to be Followed to a rainbow,
    which means x spot is not disclosed per say ( possible somewhere else )

    Vastly different than those that use a Canyon Blaze Creek Mountain Home Below Brown as clues straight forward.

    Hey tomwhat/step I enjoyed the video’s with C Steven’s music BTW.
    Hmmm attributes I I I, 3 epitaph crypt fbf.

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    • Errors are not necessarily mistakes,

      Answers vs Answer.

      Seems to verify total control of input information in this video segment along with the concept of freedom vs rules. and creativity in what was choosen for the final product.

      The Golf Chess & Cheese Society.

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  49. WHATIFTHARISACODEHIDENINTHPOEMBUTFRSTRANTHWRDSTOGETHERWITHOUTSPACESORPNCTTNNDMSSNGVWLSSTRABBRANDSPLELINGSWLDWEBEABELTOTLWATITSEZ

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      • I don’t spend enough time on it if I do. My top interpretation uses two dodgy anagram clues that may or may not be intentional in the poem. Meaning the whole poem works on one level to get me to my spot, and the anagram clues might just be me seeing pictures in clouds.

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    • right before it’s cut off there at the end it looks like it says ; MSSNGVWLSSTRAB, lol to me cuz the last word is German for street, strasse, the B like that in German makes a ‘double S’ sound. :) lol
      oSo, in keeping with this thinking it would have me looking for Mc Donald street or a Farmer St. since missing vowels ei, ei and o are missing! LOL LOL LOL

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  50. Geydelkon:
    Good morning fellow chasers.
    Well today I will make my trip to take note of whats brave and in the wood. I have done exactly what FF said to do. The book was written in a way that very similar as the stories on his website. His website also produced clues, did anyone catch them. Anyway, the stories in the book where of not of the people he mentions. Olga, actually was really about a different person and the biddies are about that same person. All the stories relate to one person only. Yet, again just like the poem, it points everyone to many similar places. I can honestly tell you that in all the blogs on the Internet, no one has mentioned this special place. Funny, I have given clues of where my place is located on previous blog comments. His wife has also been there. I know why he laughed on the way back to his car. I would laugh as well, it’s just funny guys. Perhaps, I am wrong, but the evidence is clear to me. As, for the groups that he mentioned that were within 500 feet, he knows that they just had to go by this place on there way to a different spot. Finally, everything in the book points to this place…just got to back to the mid 1800′s. I have also narrowed it down to when he hid the treasure. It happened in the month of August 2009.I have a 99.9 % that I won’t find the treasure. Why, because he is who he is.
    For I am an Indian scout and a Saint.

    Go out and bring that treasure home!
    Yes I have also picked up some clues from his website and stuff he asked others to post for him.
    Good luck on your chase, stay safe and have fun!

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    • Today, I went to take a closer look. I have to admit I was very wrong about this place. Since I had a secondary spot it became more apparent that when I found the blaze my search was over because the poem said it did. The last time I was there I spent 7 hours just sitting there thinking what it meant look quickly down. I can see all the tarry scant. You know you have to be one of those rock hounds to know what I mean. Anyways, there it was. I said no it couldn’t be, really. Thinking about how in heck he managed to walk there. Duh, have to “leave” and come back when it freezes. So i can almost bet anyone that it will not be found this year. Hanging out in Pagosa Springs today it’s about 3 hours from where I was searching. Just saying, because I am an Indian Scout and a Saint. .

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      • Thats very cool, good luck on that. Of course all of us are deciding if your search area fits with our search area. Between 180 and 220 miles from Pagosa Springs….depending on how fast you drive?

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        • The key line ” your effort will be worth the cold” then it will leave. I plan to go back next year in the dead of winter. The book that has the fish swimming or should I say “school” of fish where he took his treasures bold. I would fly there with red tipped wings as well as in one of dal’s photos from Fenn explains. So my journey has ended like those who waited for the snows to melt. I am waiting for them to come. Just saying.. For I am an Indian scout and a Saint…nobody seen me out there yet. I am covered in red lava so don’t try to dodge me for I am already. P.S….I think all 9 clues in the Poem are within 250 ft. circle. Anyway that’s where I found my 9. Just saying.

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          • Did you take a good look at those fish Look at them through a magnifying lens they are not trout

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          • I never thought of looking at what type of fish they are. People have thought he was referring to a hatchery. I looked at it differently.

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  51. Good morning fellow chasers.
    Well today I will make my trip to take note of whats brave and in the wood. I have done exactly what FF said to do. The book was written in a way that very similar as the stories on his website. His website also produced clues, did anyone catch them. Anyway, the stories in the book where of not of the people he mentions. Olga, actually was really about a different person and the biddies are about that same person. All the stories relate to one person only. Yet, again just like the poem, it points everyone to many similar places. I can honestly tell you that in all the blogs on the Internet, no one has mentioned this special place. Funny, I have given clues of where my place is located on previous blog comments. His wife has also been there. I know why he laughed on the way back to his car. I would laugh as well, it’s just funny guys. Perhaps, I am wrong, but the evidence is clear to me. As, for the groups that he mentioned that were within 500 feet, he knows that they just had to go by this place on there way to a different spot. Finally, everything in the book points to this place…just got to back to the mid 1800′s. I have also narrowed it down to when he hid the treasure. It happened in the month of August 2009. I have a 99.9 % that I won’t find the treasure. Why, because he is who he is.
    For I am an Indian scout and a Saint.

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  52. There are two things that I think are important to remember when analysing the poem.

    1) FF said dont mess with the poem. He said this when being questioned about changing words to make them rhyme, correcting gramatical usage, and or capitalization etc.
    This tells me that WE shoulnt change anything, because everything could be there for a reason. Could be words with double meanings, letters for anagrams or whatever. Basically saying use what you have been given.

    2) FF answered a question about writing the poem by saying he “crafted” the poem. This confirmed to me that there was a deeper meaning that might be found via word play, anagrams etc. There is more than just a cute little poem about waters and canyons and such.

    It was carefully crafted for the purpise of burying the clues and answers beneath the simple surface poem.

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    • Maybe he used the word…”crafted”…to misdirect folks into thinking there is more there than what actually is.

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    • The quote was something like “I wrote the poem… well, I didn’t really write it… I ‘crafted’ it…”

      He’s also said you’ll have to “decode” the poem.

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  53. As I just visited FF web site again and re-read the poem – I realized the title of the peom is all the caps. THE POEM

    Any ideas on this?

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  54. Hi everyone!
    When Forrest says your effort will be worth the cold, I believe he is talking about having to go in the water to get the chest. To me this is a prominent clue in the poem, because right before that he says now listen all and listen good. Any thoughts to share?

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  55. Might the first clue from the poem be it’s color (reddish) and if not it certainly is a link to all the same in the book as a hint.
    14 asterisk * = an x and +
    26 chapter ending squares, boxes…
    32 Dropcaps
    up to 27 Chapters
    etc etc…

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  56. Like i said before, i would have loved to have been on the trip to Yellowstone he and his dad took. I believe the place where the chest is hidden was visited on that trip. It just makes sense with the statement f made on keeping a secret.

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  57. I believe this poem was constructed to lead specifically to multiple locations. I’m no good at poetry at all and I could knock out some cryptic rhyming directions to a hidden locale in an afternoon. Forrest, far more clever and well read than I, spent years perfecting it? Why? Imagine having a dozen or more locations you wanted to send people, but needed an identical instruction set that covered them all. Now that’s a challenge worthy of Mr. Fenn!

    I think even with as much credit we are giving him, we are still underestimating him.

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  58. No doubt the poem is very well written. If fact it is so well written that 10`s of thousands of searchers can not even agree what state the chest is hidden in.

    So let me ask this…why did Mr F hide the chest where he hid it…?

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  59. The poem is 24 lines divided into 6 stanzas of 4 lines each.
    It has a simple A,B,A,B rhyming pattern where the first and third lines rhyme as do the second and fourth lines.
    The singular exception is stanza 2 where the first and third lines dont really rhyme (halt/walk).

    It is possible that one line could contain a clue and its rhyming partner could be there simply to rhyme with it.

    Several unusual phrases or word selections are present. They may be clues, or distractions from a clue in thier sister rhyming line.

    Good luck all.

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