Poem 1:3

I can keep my secret where,

273 thoughts on “Poem 1:3

  1. E*:
    deb – Here’s what SHARPBURG said to me about that,…over at Forrest’s:

    sharpsburg says: 7:42 am on May 15, 2015

    Hi, E*,
    Thanks for the information, and yes the post’s did appear for an hour or so, then vanished. I want you to know, I did thank you for the nice Intro. and do appreciate what you said. For the time being maybe I can stay here and talk with you and others.
    Again, thanks.

    I believe his posts were deleted AND he was moderated from posting here at Mike’s,…but I am not sure.

    Well,thats pretty unusual for Mike. Maybe it was part of his “investigating ” he was doing? Doesnt matter, Sharpsburg should try again. Mike has never bitten anyone, he is a good man. 🙂 He is one of my facebook friends, I see how the people in his life think of him.

    Do you have a facebook account E* ?

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  2. E*:
    Bob – Coincidentally,…a great post over at Jenny’s,…by 49 dollers (who was NOT moderated or deleted for being OFF TOPIC):

    Hey JCMCXVII May i suggest a vacation to the woods maybe a little bit of fly fishing, great place to clean your mind

    holidayyarns.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/farsidecartoon.jpg

    49 Dollers
    May 15, 2015 at 11:05 am

    E- that Gary Larson is great! he certainly achieved double entendre there and made a funny as well. thanks iv’e never seen that one.

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  3. Everyone – What I would write to Forrest,…about his latest SB 140,…if I thought he was reading here at Mike’s blog:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/16/scrapbook-one-hundred-forty/

    Yeah,…we ski here too, Forrest…and the equivalent party here would be a 5-10 minute walk,…from where I am currently sitting. I think over 1,000 people showed up for that party this year. It was probably warmer,…at about 6,000 ft. though. 🙂

    Too bad you Santa Fe folks have to DRIVE so far,…to Taos,…to ski. And I think Louie Zamperini was skiing when he was your age,…and skateboarding (the video reminds me of the one Iron Will did for Forrest):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwaJzfhLzSo
    (@5:35,…and a NICE image with our beloved Angelina @6:43)

    What’s the problem????? 😉

    I was looking for an image of a coyote wearing sunglasses earlier,…because I think I left mine up at the Lane Parrish memorial bench,…when a weird guy approached me laying on top of it (with absolutely no one else around last Monday afternoon). I’m pretty sure one of those Coyotes,…that have a den up that way,…took them off of the table. Then I just saw those costumes (a Wolf and a Fox),…with the Fox wearing sunglasses. Too funny! Our costumes for the Hawaiian Nationals Tele competition,…up on Baldy,…were much more original. I miss skiing,…can’t afford it. I think a lift ticket is $100 here now.

    I really enjoyed that SB 140,…thank you for posting it. 🙂

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  4. Everyone – More confirmations of my spot,…from IWGOLF (and I haven’t even pulled out the Vlad the Impaler image, Bob!):

    IWGOLF – I have missed you,…over at ttotc.com. You wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/05/the-nine-clues-23/#comment-88436

    No place for the meek = # PLACE FORTH [4TH] E [EAST] MEEK.

    line # 12 letter #9 y
    line # 13 letter #9 e
    line # 14 letter #9 k

    141312, 1413 Main Street home address when ff was 12.

    And in addition,…you mentioned Osborne Russell (including that Thomas Brown quote…without the (e) on the end of his name), Joe Meek, the Blackfeet Indian battles…and Forrest’s “Looking for Lewis and Clark” story. But what you didn’t mention,…is that Forrest’s father owned a fly fishing camp,…in West Yellowstone,…called Fennhaven,…and that Forrest was a fly fishing guide,…when he was 13 years old. I wonder where that “secret where” (or ‘secret weir’?) was,…where he and/or his father,…took his/their clients?

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    • Everyone – And I think it is worth revisiting that entire quote,…by Sir Thomas Browne,…even though I have posted it before:

      www.bartleby.com/349/authors/30.html

      “I make not, therefore, my head a grave, but a treasure, of knowledge; I intend no monopoly, but a community, in learning; I study not for my own sake only, but for theirs that study not for themselves. I envy no man that knows more than myself, but pity them that know less. I instruct no man as an exercise of my knowledge, or with an intent rather to nourish and keep it alive in mine own head than beget and propagate it in his; and in the midst of all my endeavours there is but one thought that dejects me,—that my acquired parts must perish with myself, nor can be legacied among my honoured friends.”
      – Sir Thomas Browne.

      That could define one of the purposes for Forrest to have hidden the Bronze Chest. IMO.

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    • Everyone – And let’s look at that Poem 4:1,…which is the 13th line,…once again:

      “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

      And IWGOLF’s observation:

      line # 13 letter #9 e

      “If you’ve b(E)…” where (e) = the the 9th letter of that line,…and then, “..e(N) wise and found the blaze”,…where that first (e) in the line is Capitalized as (E) in the blaze (where E-is-for-Ever,…drawing nigh = Everard). And the (N) stands for going “canyon down”,…and traveling North-wise. But I tend to notice that “E” letter. And I like to mess with the Capitalization,…in The Poem. And I like to use that (N) to represent a canyon with a creek running through it,…with the canyon wall on my left,…and the creek on my right,…well,…on the outbound hike, anyway. 😉

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  5. E* thank you for inviting me here. That was a great Intro, and how in the heck am I going to live up to that ? Funny…Yes, if you see me in person.
    The good thing is I may have found a home. Looking forward to exploring new ideas of the hunt and social intercourse with my fellow treasure hunters.

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  6. Mike and Everyone – Please join me in welcoming SHARPSBURG to the A-Team,…he is VERY funny (from my post over at Forrest’s blog,…in response to him):

    www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/r

    E* says: 3:25 pm on May 14, 2015

    SHARPSBURG – And then you found out where to REALLY have fun,…and you came over to ttotc.com,…to join the A-Team. If you would like to join us exiles from Dal’s and/or Jenny’s blogs over there,…you would be most welcome. And I happened to LIKE your dream you posted,…over at Dal’s,…even if Goofy did not. 😉

    sharpsburg says: 1:48 pm on May 14, 2015

    Well Forrest,
    it doesn’t look like there’s been much finger traffic here in the last month or so. Maybe I will stay awhile and talk to You. They booted me from Dals blog and jenny blog won’t have me. I think because I was “off Topic” talking about a Little Boy and a Fat Man who took a ride with Enola Gay and a Box Car and had a big blast. They just don’t appreciate good humor. I feel like the Indian on the horse with his head hung low along with the horse, at the end of the trail.

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    • SHARPSBURG – Here’s how it’s done. You click on the date of the comment posted,…and copy the link that creates in the search field. Then you paste that up in your Google search field,…in the right corner. Then you highlight the whole comment,…or part of the comment,…that you want to copy. Then you hit “reply” to the comment at Dal’s and paste all that in. Then add your comments below,…then copy the whole comment as I did here. Then paste it into a new comment at Mike’s ttotc.com. And then you are technically STILL responding to comments over there at Dal’s. I do the same thing with comments over at Jenny’s. And then we all get to enjoy your responses here. 🙂

      sharpsburg – You wrote:

      sharpsburg on May 12, 2015 at 4:38 pm said:

      dalneitzel.com/2013/03/30/odds-n-ends-about-fenns-treasure-hunt/#comment-88095

      “It would seem to me Goofy, the owners or mangers of any business or web site should be the example not the exception to behavior.”

      It would seem that Goofy didn’t LIKE your comment,…so now you are BANNED at Dal’s,…but things happen for a reason,…and you will be having the time of your life, now,…over at ttotc.com,…where your AWESOME sense of humor will be appreciated by the A-Team. And I am still wondering if Mike banned Goofy over there….

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    • Everyone – Here is sharpsburg’s dream that I liked,…but I am wondering,…were you referring to Indiana Jones at the end?:

      dalneitzel.com/2015/05/05/the-nine-clues-23/#comment-88056

      sharpsburg on May 12, 2015 at 9:59 am said:

      Last night I dreamt of finding the treasure chest that ff had hidden away. Full of gold piles and piles of gold. And then, the FED’s demanded half of the treasure for tax’s. And then, the State wanted one third of my half for tax’s. And then, a bunch of bloggers from a web site brought suit against me for one third of the remaining two thirds claiming they helped me find the treasure with their blogs. And then, I had to pay the attorney the last one third. And then, I started looking for a new treasure to find. And then, Along came Jones…………………….

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      • E*
        Just trying to inject a little jocularity in the dream. Do you remember a RB group, back in the 50’s by the name of the ‘Coasters’, they sang a song titled “Along Came Jones” back in 1959. Listen to the lyric’s of the song.

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  7. Hey E* thanks for asking, yes we’re having a great time searching. We found Forrest’s secret weir at MW with a spectacular turtle shaped Boulder protecting a Y shaped tree with a natural blaze overlooking the river. Plenty of owl shaped tree stumps on the fin of the paddle. The best part was the dry gulch complies with Montana stream law. Everything fits. But I must admit..Forrest leaves me treasure less.

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    • Lia – What is MW??? And when did you say you were out searching? Last I remember,…you were “butt stumped and burned out”,…or so you said??? And also that Brutus was at a fundraiser,…when you went to find him. And that there was a big lightning storm. Or was your whole post,…that I just replied to,…an analogy? 😉

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      • Nope E* no analogy. Looking in Montana We found the double omega twin hills which are a mirror image of M/W or a Lazy B, butt (end) with a paddle/oar shaped dry draw straight up the middle which looks like a fish. You encouraged me to look on the fin of that fish shape at every tree stump on the burned hill which looks like the last page in TTOTC. We took a metal detector to search every juniper bush.

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        • Lia – Still don’t know what M/W is (or are you referring to the other symbol for Omega and its mirror letter?). And it sounds like you were looking at a spot just like mine! My “draw” between the Double Omegas isn’t dry, though,…and most probably has a waterfall cascading down the middle. And the hills aren’t burnt (well,…from fire, anyway,…unless fire was used to REMOVE those stumps!). Glad you were out there with BOG. Wish I was “brave and in the wood” also. 🙂

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    • Deb – I am following your advice,…as you wrote here:

      “Seems to me most things can
      be worked out with discussion. For me that happens behind the scene, not publicly. If I am having a problem with someone I talk to them…”

      I am talking to both Goofy and Jenny,…directly,…through the posts that I compose and send to their very own blogs,…which only THEY see,…privately (since they are both moderating everything I write). They can choose to read them or not. And you can choose to read mine or not,…when I share them here. But,…then again,…I like to “bump the curb” in how I do things. And when something is “bothering” me,…I just address it. I don’t need to go offline to talk about it. But thank you for what I know was a well intentioned offer. 🙂

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      • all right now everybody calm down. i’d like to say something about these blogs and moderation and such. i read that phrase “off topic” a lot. and it seems that many posts get deleted or moderated because of off topic, or under topic, or whatever. but really, until somebody solves the poem correctly, and we all understand just exactly what the heck FF was trying to say, then any comment is on topic. isn’t it?
        suppose the discussion is on HOB and everyone is talking about Brown trout and I throw out there..”hey, I think HOB is where the brown crayon goes in my crayon box. next to sienna.” Don’t try and tell me thats off topic because you dont know for sure that HOB has anything to do with trout. It just might be crayons. so there. and dont tell me deleting comments or banning has to do with organization. fooey! it’s not like you’re wasting paper. there is no paper, just computer memory. Mike doesnt have a problem with any of this maybe Dal and Jenny should contact Mike on how to run a blog. how about a Jerry Springer thread for bloggers who want to hurl insults at one another?
        JERRY!
        JERRY!
        JERRY!

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        • Bob,
          Well said, I agree moderation keeps productive conversation from materializing. Sure sometimes it gets carried away but it is better than the alternative. Once I started a conversation on a clue that seemed off topic only to find it was deleted and put on moderation. That clue had a good chance of cracking the poem wide open for someone. It will be interesting when it is found and the moderators see what harm was done by the way blogs were managed.

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        • I agree Bob. Thank you for expressing it so thoroughly. I figure people who were around when HOD was shut down and ended up here had that understanding. But there are many who havent been around that long.

          I rarely post anymore. I simply dont have the energy and clarity of mind to write as well as people like E* and yourself.Lots on my mind, such is life.

          I love all the blogs, I just wish more people had patience with their fellow posters. For those who demand ” on topic ” there are tons of archives they can read that are on topic.

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    • Thank you for pointing out that discussion, I seem to have missed it. So eighty and fifteen only add up to ninetyfive. What is the other five percent?

      I know Forrest intereacts with us. I have tested my theory before. I will mention something to him just to see who brings it up. Much of what I talk with him about does show up in the blogs. I suspect it happens to others also? It doesnt bother me, it makes me laugh to see how it is used.Does it mean anything? Probably not.

      I will always love Forrest, he is a special person. Let him have his fun.

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    • The Wolf – Do you know if Mike kicked Goofy off his blog,…after all of his negative comments on that page,…and with all the searchers like vgboss and inthechaseto objecting to them? I don’t remember seeing Goofy posting here after that:

      www.ttotc.com/forrest-fibs/#comment-93018

      “To me, in my opinion, Fenn has challenged us with this game of his. He enjoys interacting with the chasers and taunting us with his clever sayings. He is a modern day Tom Sawyer and has us painting his fence…..I think it’s lots of fun.”

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      • E* To my knowledge there was only one person ever banned here, but even that was worked out eventually.

        Seems to me most things can
        be worked out with discussion. For me that happens behind the scene, not publicly. If I am having a problem with someone I talk to them unless they have just been really abusive then I walk away. Abusive behavior is not acceptable.

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        • deb – Oh,…I am certainly “talking” to Jenny,…by posting comments directly to her,…on her blog,…which go DIRECTLY into moderation. But I think she is listening. I do that because I think Jenny is worth it,…but meanwhile I am initiating an E* for Embargo,…to posting over there,…while she experiments with her MW Chats page.

          There are others with whom I have followed Forrest’s advice to “slam the door on a relationship”,…because they were clearly NOT worth it. Trust in friendship is crucial. Betrayal of trust is unacceptable,…and shows a definitive lack of character.

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        • deb – And JC1117 mentioned over at Jenny’s that he can’t post here anymore,…something about a contraversial video he posted??? I miss him here. 🙁

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    • Hagrid – You were always my second choice,…for a search buddy,…”in the wood” (after Bart the Bear II, of course,…well,…and then there’s Brad,…so that’s third choice, I guess). As to what you wrote about Forrest fibbing:

      www.ttotc.com/forrest-fibs/#comment-93045

      “I don’t think is fair to accuse Forrest of fibbing, misleading, misdirecting nor any other faults of any kind. He is the headmaster of the game of his creation.”

      I believe Forrest’s father was Principal Fenn,…but Forrest could certainly be considered to be bob’s “Professor Fenn”:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1T1yDs9ME4

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      • Hagrid – But I don’t think there is anything in The Poem,…that refers to the Staff of Ra,…is there? And I don’t think that is an X that man is putting on that map,…using light and a crystal, either:

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  8. Everyone – The British are coming! The British are coming! (I was getting tired of typing “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”):

    Ed – You wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/05/the-nine-clues-23/#comment-87991

    Ed on May 11, 2015 at 4:08 pm said:
    There might be a lot more brits looking now. Todays London Times has an article about Forrest. Huge paper!

    www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article4436278.ece

    But I am not worried about competition from the Brits,…because look how long it took them to find their quarry,…to set the World Record,…in Olympic Hide and Seek:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycb9_Y_gJ-g

    11 years 2 months 26 days 9 hours 3 minutes and 27.4 seconds.

    And they didn’t find anything when they searched with Dal,…either,…in August of 2013. 😉

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  9. E*:
    Kym – You aren’t transporting any really cute, female Kodiak Brown bears,…are you? I’ll bet Bart the Bear II gets lonely out there “in the wood” sometimes.

    Nope, no bears, only fuzzy wuzzy puppies and kitties of all ages lol

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  10. The Wolf – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”

    The Wolf – You wrote (about people from Canada):

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/09/scrapbook-one-hundred-thirty-eight/#comment-87821

    The Wolf on May 10, 2015 at 12:53 pm said:
    Yup, we are what is the word, you know … quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on, submissive.

    But I think you are just being WISE,…because you must have read this book (which I don’t think Goofy has!):

    www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-art-of-war-spirituality-for-conflict-sun-tzu/1118850555?ean=9781594732447

    Thomas Huynh guides you through Sun Tzu’s masterwork, highlighting principles that encourage a perceptive and spiritual approach to conflict, enabling you to:

    •Prevent conflicts before they arise
    •Peacefully and quickly resolve conflicts when they do arise
    •Act with courage, intelligence and benevolence in adversarial situations
    •Convert potential enemies into friends
    •Control your emotions before they control you

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      • You know E*, I just can’t get one by you. Too sharp, it is like you live here. Roy Brown the man credited with killing Manfred von Richthofen lived just up the road from me. I wish I could have lived an flown along side him or another great man … Andrew Mynarksi some of the great heroes to me.

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        • The Wolf – Just,…WOW!:

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mynarski

          Raked by cannon fire with major strikes on the port engines and centre fuselage, a hydraulic fire engulfed the bomber. Losing both port engines, de Breyne ordered the crew to bail out. As Mynarski approached the rear escape door, he saw through the inferno in the rear, that tail gunner Pilot Officer Pat Brophy was trapped in his turret. The tail turret had been jammed part way through its rotation to the escape position.

          Without hesitation, Mynarski made his way through the flames to Brophy’s assistance. All his efforts were in vain, initially using a fire axe to try to pry open the doors before finally resorting to beating at the turret with his hands. With Mynarski’s flight suit and parachute on fire, Brophy eventually waved him away. Mynarski crawled back through the hydraulic fire, returned to the rear door where he paused and saluted. He then reputedly said “Good night, sir,” his familiar nightly sign-off to his friend, and jumped.

          He was the pure definition of a hero.

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  11. E*:
    bob – OK,…the barista’s husband,…sitting next to me,…says Owl lives in the Tree House,…where many meetings are held (See: Forrest’s tree ef-fort,…and our meetings held on these blogs). But then,…one day,…a violent wind storm knocks over the Tree House,…and they all have to help each other,…just like when all those people in West Yellowstone had to help each other after that funnel cloud wiped out those businesses in August of 2010 (right where Dal and Stephanie’s new Hot Dog stand was just built).

    So,…Ergo,…there WAS a “chat room” in the 100 Akre Wood,…but then it was destroyed,…but then it was relocated to another tree. Aren’t friends wonderful?

    excuse me Mr. E* but i believe your comment was directed to me was it not?

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  12. Everyone – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”

    The best post I’ve read in a long time,…from SB 138:

    Michael on May 10, 2015 at 10:47 am said:
    “Fighter pilot is an attitude. It is cockiness. It is aggressiveness. It is self-confidence. It is a streak of rebelliousness, and it is competitiveness. But there’s something else – there’s a spark. There’s a desire to be good. To do well; in the eyes of your peers, and in your own mind.” – Robin Olds, Fighter Pilot “Triple Ace”

    Thank you for sharing your story, Forrest. You epitomize what a combat fighter pilot is made of during wartime.

    And I think Forrest could fly lower,…albeit slower,…when he could “take it in the canyon down”,…to imagine the shapes and landmarks,…of the Mountains of Madison County,…from the windshield and windows of his Piper Malibu plane,…where he didn’t need to be good at math, maybe,…because he was using his IMAGINATION!:

    “My first pass was up the canyon, along the road and into the sun, 200? and 500 knots, hoping to surprise the guns we knew were there.”

    But then there’s, “look quiclky down your quest to cease”,…so I would imagine you need to keep your eyes on those mountain peaks looming before you! 🙂

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  13. bob – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”

    Kevin – You wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/05/the-nine-clues-23/#comment-87699

    “It should be nice and sunny out so I’ll be sure to get good video of not only the digging-up but also the opening. Everyone at least deserves that, to see the contents for the first time when I do. Everyone has put so much time and effort into this, it’s the least I can do.”

    Have you ever heard of Geraldo Rivera?:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=P84OKTUx6LY

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  14. E*:
    bob – You wrote:

    “..back to Kevin P. its dark ok, im guessing there was a fear of being attacked by a wild animal. but, if you have the chest you can afford reconstructive surgery for your face. see? lets say the bear ripped your arm off ok?”

    And then,…later,…after all that surgery,…you can invent and market the BEST bear spray out there,…but then,… someone else will always invent a better one, right?:

    www.udap.com/markfullstory.htm

    counterassault.com/index.htm

    www.slate.com/articles/technology/history_of_innovation/2014/06/the_grizzly_history_of_bear_pepper_sprays.html

    That SCARY info on grizzly attacks and use of bear spray may save a life. MT and Wyoming are bear country and every searcher should carry a holster unless they are downtown shopping in West Yellowstone. Makes me wonder if forrest can see the tc location on a camera and if he would send out a general warning if a grizzly was frequenting the area, I mean if he knew for sure.

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    • lia – You GET me,…and I sure hope My Grizz does NOT! 😉

      Just call the West Yellowstone Forest Rangers,…they’ll give you the recent Grizz scat sighting and My Grizz sighting reports. They hike the trails in the Mountains of Madison County,…all the time. That’s what prevented my first trip,…on June 24, 2013. Why spend the money to stay at Campfire Lodge,…in Cabin #2,…when you can’t even hike out Cabin Creek, right?

      And you saw the Grizz-focused motion sensitive cameras,…pictured in Dal’s “The British are Coming” story, right?

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      • lia – And I guess that info. I posted is more reliable Grizz protection advice,…than this video I posted previously at Jenny’s (which she may have deleted by now,…because she seems to have an aversion to “bear info.” being posted on her blog,…probably because she is looking in Colorado or New Mexico):

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPox6U5UdAs
        (See: Bart the Bear @ 1:40)

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        • lia – Like when she deleted Bart the Bear’s fabulous comedic performance in, “The Great Outdoors”,…that I posted,…in response to the video segment that JC1117 posted,…from that same movie,…and then Jenny replaced it with this comment:

          EDIT
          Any more talk of bears can be taken to the ‘chat room’, if wanted….

          thanks, moderator.

          E*
          May 9, 2015 at 9:36 am

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          • I, for one am deeply offended. we have no chat room in the hundred akre wood Jenny.

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          • bob – OK,…the barista’s husband,…sitting next to me,…says Owl lives in the Tree House,…where many meetings are held (See: Forrest’s tree ef-fort,…and our meetings held on these blogs). But then,…one day,…a violent wind storm knocks over the Tree House,…and they all have to help each other,…just like when all those people in West Yellowstone had to help each other after that funnel cloud wiped out those businesses in August of 2010 (right where Dal and Stephanie’s new Hot Dog stand was just built).

            So,…Ergo,…there WAS a “chat room” in the 100 Akre Wood,…but then it was destroyed,…but then it was relocated to another tree. Aren’t friends wonderful? 😉

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  15. lia – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”

    You wrote:

    “F knew exactly how much he wanted the chest to weigh. I don’t know why. Some ideas have been discussed in the past… 42 is considered the perfect number…”

    www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/42-the-answer-to-life-the-universe-and-everything-2205734.html

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8

    It also takes 42.2 seconds to take the gravity train to a point on the other side of the Earth. But do we have to wait “7 MILLION YEARS”,…to come back to hear the anwser(s) to The Poem???? Thanks for the clip. I actually haven’t seen that movie, either. But I still like to go to “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”:

    teecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/milliways.jpg

    p.s. “The answer(S) I already know” 🙂

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    • lia – Did you see my post about that restaurant,…and the number Forty Two,…over at Jenny’s?:

      mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-the-poem-and-use-of-a-thesaurus/#comment-99582

      JC1117 – But I much prefer dining at “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”, myself:

      24.media.tumblr.com/65367568bceb73841f0fda2608037141/tumblr_miawj6nXdf1s3l4aio1_1280.jpg

      Think: Forty Two.

      E*
      May 6, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      I dunno,…Jenny might just delete that one, too,…when she gets done celebrating Mothers Day. And then I will have to re-create it,…and post it over at MW Chats,…when she does (per her post about that). NOT!!! Who would waste their time doing that,…long after finishing a blog discussion ,…just because Jenny wanted to go hunting for that OTHER Beale Treasure,…and wasn’t here to come up with her “organize better” idea beforehand? Really, Jenny. Please think again.

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      • Kym – Welcome back! You have been missed. I never did buy that converted semi truck motorhome, btw. How have your travels been?

        “To be E* or not to be E*,…that is the question.”
        – Famous sayings by E*

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        • Lol E! I am currently trying to scrape a living out of transporting pets across this great country of ours. Love it but we’re like starving artists! Lol
          Know of any well paying open doors to walk through?
          Lol too bad about the motorhome, I’d ask to rent it, where do you live? Anywhere near Yellowstone? Lol
          That ” what is the question?” Was really my answer for ” ..the answers I already know” comment. I re- read Ff’s poem again, since a long time ago and crazy sayings started popping out at me. I’m thinking I need too far to walk now and a pair of Neoprene waders! NOW!!! Omg! Lol

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          • Kym – You aren’t transporting any really cute, female Kodiak Brown bears,…are you? I’ll bet Bart the Bear II gets lonely out there “in the wood” sometimes. 🙂

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    • And E. It looks like I am finally out of moderation. I’ve been trying to respond to you for a couple of weeks. You are very brave and in the wood. Is it my understanding that you are no longer searching? Just having a fun on this blog? That is sad, because I think you are close. Very close. Not one person, other than Bob, has been as close IMO. Who are you?

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          • Glad somebody thinks so, nothing but ridicule on some blogs. Pure MT. E* is the closest to my ideas that I have found, so I like posting here. Truth is I’m afraid to post anything, it’d be like giving it away.

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          • Decall,
            Do not be afraid, I don’t believe posting has much effect on anything. Many are set in their ways and won’t abandon ship on something someone else has fallen in love with. I have posted a lot of my stuff and I haven’t regretted it yet. Ok, of course it might help if I actually posted something useful and credible – lol That said, I plan on introducing many new concepts shortly. Probably most will just shrug their shoulders and say “nothing to see here, move along.” However E* has been very supportive and that means a lot to me.

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          • The Wolf – But you’ve gassed up the rescue helicopter, right??? 😉

            You are FOURTH in line,…as my BEST Search Buddy,…after:

            1) Bart the Bear II
            2) Brad
            3) Hagrid
            4) The Wolf
            5) Forrest (oh,…wait,…he was disqualified by Dal).

            And I appreciate your support, also,…even when I am venting an annoyingly posting against my adversaries here. Thank you. 🙂

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          • The Wolf – You wrote:

            “Ok, of course it might help if I actually posted something useful and credible – lol”

            Note: that I did NOT post an image of my Wise Blaze,…like you did (so as not to compete with yours). Because then the show would be over,…and I wouldn’t have all you fine folks to play with anymore. Well,…actually,…I texted it to Forrest,…but I have no way of posting it here,…because it resides on my old cel phone,…in my storage unit,…and the battery is likely to be unretrieveably dead by now. But I know where that Better-than-yours-Wise Blaze is! 😉

            I have enjoyed and found useful EVERYTHING you have posted,…and I especially like it when you BAIT Goofy!

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          • E*, “But I know where that Better-than-yours-Wise Blaze is! ”
            oooh thems fight’n words.

            Thank you for thinking my stuff is useful, I always hoped it would be useful to someone.

            I have a bad habit of baiting Goofy with my trusty “Pickles” lure.

            Ok, I have waited long enough, lets see that blaze!

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          • The Wolf – OK,…the airport here is closed through May 20th,…so after that,…you just fly that rescue helicopter here to pick me up,…then we go see my Wise Blaze-that-is-better-than-yours up close and personal. And while we’re at it,…you drop me down on a harness,…on that rescue cable,…and I nab the Bronze Chest,…at my spot,…since My Grizz will run away from the noise of those helicopter rotors. And then we can fly straight to Santa Fe to meet Forrest. Are you good at math, btw? How much would that gas bill be,…do you think??? 🙂

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          • E*, I like the way you think! I would like to suggest an alternative, how about we dangle Goofy on the cable as bait and hook the bear with Goofy bait and then pickle them in a geyser, then we walk over and pick the treasure up?

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          • The Wolf – Roger that. After you pick me up,…we’ll go to where Goofy lives,…and kidnap him (and DEFINITELY gag him!),…then we’ll head to my spot and put HIM in the harness,…and dangle him to snag My Grizz,…then drop them both in the Grand Prismatic (because it’s the prettiest,…and I want to see an aerial view),…then we’ll get our motorized E-Bikes out of the chopper (because it’s “too far to walk”),…and pedal or motor out to my spot in a leisurely fashion.

            What do you think my gas bill will be for all THAT???

            Just kidding! I wouldn’t want My Grizz to be stressed or hurt in any way. 🙂

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        • E* Total Cost:
          -Gas for rescue helicopter – $12,500
          -Two mopeds – $3800
          -Dipping Goofy in Gyser with Griz dangling from his butt – priceless!

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      • thanks MJ! yes, i am close…. Iv’e searched Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico. my instincts tell me I am in the correct state. well, my instincts and the map in TFTW. wont be long now.

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      • MJ – Who do people SAY that I am????? And your first name isn’t MARION,…is it??? 😉

        Because,…then you would have escaped moderation,…because you are an IMPOSTER!

        If that doesn’t make sense, MJ,…I’m sorry. I am just avoiding an experience I had,…over at Forrest’s blog,…that I don’t want to have again here. Deb will understand that.

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      • MJ – I was thrilled to see Aubrey’s search story,…on Forrest’s SB 139,…just posted over at Dal’s,…and Forrest’s response to it:

        dalneitzel.com/2015/05/13/scrapbook-one-hundred-thirty-nine/

        Forrest Fire on May 13, 2015 at 2:24 pm said:
        Aubrey’s warming story illustrates one of the main reasons I wrote my book and hid the treasure. Amid the darkness of national turmoil and seeming unsolvable problems I can see a brightness that gives me hope. f

        And now you might understand my motivation to GIVE IT ALL AWAY,…sharing the details of my solve,…and having all kinds of fun doing that,…with you fine people. And to peacefully continue to let My Grizz act as Sentinel of the Treasures,…enjoying his buried Mason Jars,…filled with honey (even though The Wolf’s great idea to dangle Googy as bait from his rescue helicopter was such a good one!). Going in there,…to retrieve the Bronze Chest,…seems sort of anticlimatic. 😉

        And when Forrest wrote “warming story”,…did anyone make the connection that Aubrey and family were flying kites,…at Dals’ WWWH,…in Yellowstone National Park? 🙂

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        • Thanks for that E”. You sure do have more knowledge than I could get in a life time. Not sure why you are so giving with it, but its appreciated and fun. I am just an avid searcher determined to solve this thing.

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  16. Everyone – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!”

    Did anyone else notice that Forrest is flying his F-100 Super Sabre,…in that first photo,…on his SB 138,…through canyons that look just like the ones in Goofy’s header photos on the same page?:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/09/scrapbook-one-hundred-thirty-eight/

    I think that photo was taken by one of the other pilots,…when he was teaching the newbies to fly jets,…when he was stationed in Arizona. 🙂

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  17. Everyone – “Blog Buzz! Blog Buzz!” (since the other thread is full,…and not loading here on my laptop):

    WiseOne – You wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2015/05/05/the-nine-clues-23/#comment-87546

    “I believe I know of a “no place for the meek” for my theory/solve, and am debating if I am thinking it through thoroughly enough before I attempt actually going there. But I do believe we need to be Brave, so…
    I don’t believe “no place for the meek” refers to any of the places you’ve mentioned, except maybe the battlefield.
    I don’t know anything about the 59 earthquake area though, sorry.”

    I DO know quite a bit about that “no place for the meek” 1959 Earthquake location,…including that I should run up to Refuge Point,…when the sirens go off at Campfire Lodge!:

    www.anglerguide.com/articles/235b.html

    www.denverpost.com/news/ci_13141325

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    • E- heres some more blog buzzzzzz.
      and its “Wise One” again. i cant believe this person calling themselves wise one. listen to comment at Dals- “Charlie, That’s exactly what i’m afraid is going to happen if and when I try going to search. “No Trespassing Gate”

      Here’s what you should do “Wise One”….remove the no trespassing sign! its that easy!then bury or hide it so it cant be found. preferably at night. sneak in and SEARCH! they wont find you until daylight if they find you at all! make sure the wind is in your face so dogs wont be alerted. wear all black clothes. stay scent free.(read about bowhunting) if you hear gunshots, get behind a rock or, jump in the river stay low next to the bank. when the property owner approaches, come out with your hands up. explain to them you are looking for treasure and if you find it you will split it with them. when they ask which way you came in, point to the direction of the gate and sign and tell them there was no sign! so long as you stay away from any house or outbuilding, the owner wont see you as a threat and allow you to either 1. keep searching under supervision. or 2. go peacefully.

      this stuff is really easy, dont make it harder than it is.

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      • bob – Except,…that won’t work at Forrest’s front gate,…because he HAS a security gate,…and a gatehouse,…with a security guard who lives in it,…that has eyes in the back of his head (but it’s not more than 8.25 miles North of Santa Fe,…so hopefully WiseOne isn’t planning to go there).

        www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/eyes_back_of_head.jpg

        And then there is Tesuque,…it doesn’t matter which way the wind is blowin’….

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    • i think if i was homeless instead of making a sign that said…”will work for food”…or….”veteran please help”….i would make one that says….”give me all your money” and stand by the interstate where Wise One gets off.

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  18. Everyone – Having another Plato-like philisophical discussion with Jenny,…about posts on her blog:

    Jenny – And none of us knew you were gone,…hunting for the Beale Treasure. Many, like me,…probably thought you had a change of heart,…about being so controlling of the posts on your blog. But then I saw a few posts that definitely WERE “negative”,…and I wondered why they weren’t deleted? But,…then again:

    “When the cat’s away, the mice will play.”

    idioms.thefreedictionary.com/when+the+cat's+away,+the+mice+will+play

    IMO. E*

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    Jenny – I would like to put my own twist,…on that very old saying,…that dates back to 1600:

    When the cat’s away,…the mice will play,…so feel free,…to delete away!

    I am here for the every day, temporal fun,…not to keep my blog posts for the benefit of posterity. 😉

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    • Here’s the link to my original conversation with astree:

      mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-the-poem-and-use-of-a-thesaurus/#comment-99753

      Astree – No,…I had not read about that,…but it made me think of how Jenny said she would most like to meet Plato,…when Forrest asked all of us to respond:

      Dialectic (also dialectics and the dialectical method), from Ancient Greek ??????????, is a method of argument for resolving disagreement that has been central to European and Indian philosophy since antiquity. The word dialectic originated in ancient Greece, and was made popular by Plato in the Socratic dialogues. The dialectical method is discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject, who wish to establish the truth of the matter guided by reasoned arguments.

      But I found a similar concept,…when studying Cheyenne Warrior Societies:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_military_societies

      Contrary Warriors Society (Hohnóhkao’o),[3] also known as the Inverted Bow-string Society. Its members, the Contrary Warriors, have proved their bravery by riding backward into battle.[9]

      Contrary Society (sing. Hohnohka, pl. Hohnóhkao’o), also known as Clown Society.[8] This society draws upon the same spiritual powers as the Contrary Warriors Society. It is primarily composed of Cheyenne elders and may be a mature variation of the Contrary Warriors Society. They were charged with teaching the Cheyenne ceremonial ways of the cultural “dos” and “don’ts” through humour, sarcasm and satire, in a fashion contrary to the traditional Cheyenne culture.

      Just after reading Jenny’s comment about posting here on her blog,…I saw yours:

      “Many times we are unaware that we are in constrained by our thinking patterns but a good puzzle should motivate us to question at least some of the ways we look at information, and push us to think outside the box…”

      I agree with you, astree.

      EDIT/ADDITION by Moderator:
      E*, I think Jenny would agree too. If this is in response to her comment, then you should have understood her only goal is to keep things better organized. I am sure you will respect her wishes for her site, and try and do so. It will be appreciated.

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  19. The Wolf – This video,…showing the Coriolis Effect,…is for you:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHT9Ar-Y7RE

    Because,…you wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2014/06/28/six-questions/#comment-87559

    The Wolf on May 8, 2015 at 3:53 pm said:
    “?I reserve the right to be wrong once in a while. I wonder if his Coriolis Effect statement would fit in this category.” GOG

    “Do you really think his Coriolis Force statements were accidental slip of tongue?”

    Maybe Forrest should have said the ants were floating on a leaf,…and then were being drowned,…in his bathtub,…by going down the drain,…in West Yellowstone (vs. that story about which way the ants might climb a tree trunk)? 😉

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  20. E*:
    lia – I was envisioning Forrest up in the lightning-struck White Pine tree,…on top of the Bronze Chest,…in his Y’s ef-fort,…with an Owl nesting in a hole in that “blaze”d tree (and don’t “look quickly down” to see that tree hole,…from up on that platform,…or “your quest to cease”!). And I noted the pine pitch,…because I think that is what Forrest used to seal out moisture from getting into the Bronze Chest.

    Right E* I can imagine Forrest using ALL of your ‘poemantic’ solutions! That’s my problem, they are all feasible and could all potentially be at my Madison River location. I’ll be on the lookout for a camp fire circle, a cross, boulders with holes and petroglyphs (UU) and a lightening Y tree, but I won’t shake out ancient ones from on high or below. Lol What do you think rei may refer to..climbing gear?, backpack, ropes? I find it thrice in tt’s and assume red rope is tie red.
    Please get Bart II on a leash or he will frighten away Yellowstone tourists.

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  21. E*:
    lia – I was envisioning Forrest up in the lightning-struck White Pine tree,…on top of the Bronze Chest,…in his Y’s ef-fort,…with an Owl nesting in a hole in that “blaze”d tree (and don’t “look quickly down” to see that tree hole,…from up on that platform,…or “your quest to cease”!). And I noted the pine pitch,…because I think that is what Forrest used to seal out moisture from getting into the Bronze Chest.

    Very good E* !!
    In spite of that “off brand” bear of yours, your solves and theories are stellar. They shine as brightly as pine pitch is fluorescent and useful. I’m thinking Forrest may have sealed the chest or a rope with it. Take a Black light that shows florescence when you finally prove you one of your excellent solves is correct. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_tar

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    • lia – I’ll just bring my Crystal Ball,…and let the sunlight shine through it,…in the daytime. I wonder if it will create a cool rainbow,…using the mist from the creek (standing at a 42 degree angle,…for viewing it)? Maybe it will create a Double Rainbow,…like the one in the cel phone photo,…that I texted to Forrest recently,…which I took from a Big Wood River vantage point,…at a location around the corner from where I found that Gypsy Wagon? 🙂

      And I think that Crystal Ball might be handy,…for Bart the Bear II to play with (instead of trying to eat my head!),…when I find he hasn’t been able to catch any of those itty bitty Rainbow trout,…with his four inch claws,…in Forest Creek. 🙂

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        • lia – WOW! Neat-O! Lets go see the Gypsy in Virginia City! I’ve read ALL about that town,…and Alder Gulch, too. I think the year was 1863….

          Did the Gypsy tell you that you are going to meet an 8’6″ Tall, Dark and Handsome Kodiak Brown bear,…who weighs in at 1,100 lbs,…and who likes to do Yoga? I had a dream several years ago,…that I was following a truck with a Grizzly and a Kodiak Brown bear in the truck bed. I don’t remember the rest. I can still remember seeing them vividly, though,…and how the Kodiak Brown bear was much larger. Hmmmm….

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      • True story E*…there was once a drive through bear park near Glacier Park with twin grizzly bear cubs (who’s mama was killed). Our family stopped 4 years in a row just to watch them play. My words could not adequately describe their WILD rough housing – running up trees to jump down from 25 feet pouncing on each other. On 10 acres of dense forestland not a blade of grass or pine needle remained. As they matured to adolescent bears we watched them heave Huge boulders through the air into a pond and then dive down to retrieve the rocks. Powerful creatures to coexist with and hopefully God moves his wild grizzlys out of my area while I search.

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  22. E* I hope you know what a help you are on the blogs and how much we on the A-team appreciate your expertise in all things ttotc. Sorry that I didn’t post this link earlier. My ipad had done it tired and is now weak. As always it helps to bounce ideas off others trying to solve the poem. I agree that F probably used symbols that are more easily discernable, and stupid me for not thinking double omegas/rainbows rather than underground. It’s easy to get lost on the journey and that’s why we need friends too!

    cnyartifactrecovery.wordpress.com/resources/treasure-signs-and-symbols-101/

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    • anna – Thank you for the nice compliment! And please to not use the word “stupid” in reference to yourself. It just doesn’t fit, IMO. 😉

      That is one of the BEST links I have ever seen on The Chase! Thank you! And since Forrest said he would have made a good “Pirate”,…in that recent interview video,…then I think a study of the symbols,…and how treasure maps are created,…is certainly warranted:

      www.kellscraft.com/maptreasisle.JPG

      RLS used the story of Captain Kidd as a model for “Treasure Island”, btw.

      But what I noticed most,…on the first read,…is this:

      “First and foremost, the “T” has a numerical value of 20, and this is very important to understand if you are hoping to see success as a treasure hunter. You may have found a simple looking “T” at a site and , failing to understand this numerical importance, you will continue on along the false treasure trail when, in reality, all you had to do was measure 20 feet from the “T” in order to locate your treasure room/mine.”

      In my Forrest’s Plan B solve,…Cabin Creek forms a “T” with “IT” (the Madison River),…at the confluence,…and someone placed one of those old hewn lengths of timber,…right there,…on the created sand bar,…as a wind break for a fire ring (= the “blaze”?). That squared off timber has rusted (w/EYES) hardware eye hooks,…with what looks like an “8” embossed on them. Jim at the camp said that they were chained together,…and used originally to slow the flow of water from the creek into the river. I think he said when the 1959 quake happened,…some of them were washed downstream. There are more of them used in his parking lot in front of the Campfire Lodge restaurant.

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      • yes Anna please, im in charge of stupid around here. anything stupid needs to go through me before it gets printed. understand? i put a lot of time and effort IN to get this position, respect your elders! thank you E for calling that to my attention. every now and then one gets by me…well, more often than that…most times i dont catch them at all. wait, what did anna do again? bears? we talking about bears again? and i suppose you all think this is easy.

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          • E- sure looked like the Draper to me. why Kevin P. did not search? i dont understand why a confident searcher would let ANY obstacle stand in their way. i mean, in the case of Kevin P. it was dark, ok. and other searchers have discussed trespassing. some have mentioned legal issues. but to me, if you know for certain that bronze box is where you think it is, once you have it in your hands, you have enough money to cover any problem that might arise. back to Kevin P. its dark ok, im guessing there was a fear of being attacked by a wild animal. but, if you have the chest you can afford reconstructive surgery for your face. see? lets say the bear ripped your arm off ok? still good, hire a maid and butler to do the things you cant do anymore.
            ok now Trespassing. you had to trespass to retrieve the bronze box. so what? you’ve got enough money to hire the best lawyer to keep your jail time at a minumum! Legal Issues, same thing. you’ve got money. legal issues are no problem. in fact, problems after you get the bronze box may turn out to be a good thing because it would keep you in the news longer! any person who confidently, absolutely knows where the chest is has no reason not to go get it.

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          • bob – You wrote:

            “..back to Kevin P. its dark ok, im guessing there was a fear of being attacked by a wild animal. but, if you have the chest you can afford reconstructive surgery for your face. see? lets say the bear ripped your arm off ok?”

            And then,…later,…after all that surgery,…you can invent and market the BEST bear spray out there,…but then,… someone else will always invent a better one, right?:

            www.udap.com/markfullstory.htm

            counterassault.com/index.htm

            www.slate.com/articles/technology/history_of_innovation/2014/06/the_grizzly_history_of_bear_pepper_sprays.html

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  23. E*:
    lia – I just read that fly fisherman’s story again,…about him falling in The Madison River,…and he called the trout on the end of his line, “Moby Brown” (re: Forrest’s capitalization of “home of Brown” in The Poem):

    “My gut response was not just anger, but a kind of undirected fury that I had been tricked by a nameless, malicious, cozening god. If that’s the case, then the instrument of my undoing had better be nothing less than the Boss Fish of the Madison, Moby Brown..”

    And he, too,…ended up at the Grizzly Bar and Grille,…like we will,…with Bart the Bear II and Brutus in tow:

    “We all just have to stand ready to play the fool when our time comes, and leave the ruminations and second guessings for much later, after the waitress at the Grizzly Bar and Grille has announced last call.”

    E* MOBY BROWN sounds like a lite snack for my Grizz. – the authentic Montana grizz, not an imported brown bear!

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  24. E*:
    lia – Hopefully NOT this reference,…for a prophecy by Ezekiel,…in that link:

    Ezekiel 29:11-13
    New King James Version (NKJV)

    11 Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years.

    I don’t THINK so,…Forrest! But then again,…the boundary sign DID say, “No Grizzes Allowed”.

    E* How are you today friend? thanks for all of your terrific posts. Those who ignore your friendship miss out on much! By the way I’m hoping that if forrest applied any Bible verse (which he said wouldn’t help us) that he applied this one to the hiding place.

    Exodus 33:22 “He hideth my soul in the cleft of the rock.”
    which is a beautiful old hymn, also sung by Eddie Arnold who Forrest and Peggy enjoyed.

    library.timelesstruths.org/music/He_Hideth_My_Soul/

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    • lia – What The Fox (aka Forrest) said exactly is:

      “…will not assist anyone to the treasure location.”

      Just like Forrest will not,…because it’s just “too far to walk” for him now. And he KNOWS that I can run faster than him,…to get away from My Grizz. But that’s OK,…I have Brad and Bart the Bear II. No worries, Forrest. Maybe I will just get over my Agrizoophobia,…by talking about it a lot? I guess Dal has another related disease,…according to Forrest,…in that email response he posted. I feel your pain, Dal.

      “He hideth my soul in the cleft of a rock,
      Where the rivers of pleasure I see.”

      🙂

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      • E* thank you for completing that beautiful scripture which has been on my heart lately. In my Madison River solve, the cleft of a rock is a place that I can imagine Forrest gazing at the endless Montana stars and his river of pleasure with his treasure chest resting ‘on end’ in the cleft of a boulder, or in an arched alcove.

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  25. E* on May 6, 2015 at 5:53 pm said:

    lia – I totally LOVED that link with the art images,…thank you! 🙂

    And I am having trouble with this 4:1 thread also,…so I can’t read and respond until I have another computer to use besides my laptop. Maybe we can talk about the line:

    “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

    Over on Poem 1:3?:

    “I can keep my secret where”

    No one will be ever to find us over there. 😉

    And this is Brutus asking you,…if the pink tutu he is wearing,…after NOT finding the Bronze Chest,…makes him look fat?:

    drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-10/B8HDqMGW1y-2.png

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    • Thank you for that hillarious sketch of brutus in his pink tutu! I like it over here on 3.1 where we can shoot the breeze within shouting distance of Santa Fe, which would be more than 8.25 mi south.

      My take on “if you’ve been wise and found the blaze” as it relates to my Madison River solve upstream from Beartrap Canyon is that it’s about the i or eyes in wise if you are within 100 feet and also within 12 feet. I’m not very imaginative, but OO, 8, ee come to mind as well as the standard Forest Service carved tree blaze which looks like a lower case i. F is so wise that he may have picked the most common one to fool anyone who hadn’t solved his poem. Could also be a worked mill stone or petroglyph type stone near the ground. If you will carefully look at ttotc kitten/Bessie illustration, the hollow section below the cows udder looks like an owl. Please call me Minerva. Joking!!! The negative spaces in the illustrations hold clues. They don’t lie, nor do the black and whites when Forrest plays piano. He’s really good, when he’s not answering dumb e-mails (see Dal’s latest ‘Forrest gets mail 7″). And how would f know if those ladies were cute or not. I doubt they sent him a photo. F is funny but there may be truth in his jest. Guess those ladies decided not to ask ‘the runner’ for help. Wouldn’t it be a crack up if they find it, haul it out of “there” and show up in SF?
      Oh, you’ll like this… Alone in There > Tahleornee = 4
      Cave = 4. Weeds is 56 or 11 or 1. guessing the chest isn’t just sitting in the weeds near a tree. F likes evvverything to add up, line up, and sound right.

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      • lia – And speaking of blazes,…like lightning,…and exclamation points (an upside-down “i”),…and a “hollow section”,…that may house an owl:

        info.nhpr.org/node/26256

        Where the lightning hit the ground, small stones and soil are thrown clear like exclamation points. The mighty pine is smoked; struck dead in an instant. Typically the tallest trees in the woods, white pines make natural lightning rods. An electrocuted pine will eventually shed the rest of its bark in large plates to reveal cooked sapwood beneath. Seared pine pitch seals the heartwood, like varnish, against moisture and beetles that specialize boring holes in wood. Unlike pines that die, fall and rot due to insects and moisture, heat-killed snag trees can remain standing for decades!

        Note: the “seared pine pitch seals the heartwood”,…and that White Pine trees provide the pine (not pinyon) nuts,…that are a major food source for My Grizz.

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        • Yes E* I read that exact article several months ago while researching what happens to trees when lightening strikes and how long they last. It’s naturally special that nature seals the heart of the wood and the tree becomes a home to feathered and furry forrest creatures. A tree may be a blaze, but the chest couldn’t be inside a tree hole since Forrest said he wanted to throw his body over the top.

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          • lia – I was envisioning Forrest up in the lightning-struck White Pine tree,…on top of the Bronze Chest,…in his Y’s ef-fort,…with an Owl nesting in a hole in that “blaze”d tree (and don’t “look quickly down” to see that tree hole,…from up on that platform,…or “your quest to cease”!). And I noted the pine pitch,…because I think that is what Forrest used to seal out moisture from getting into the Bronze Chest.

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        • lia – And I was very sad to note the difference in that Rainbow trout-outlined area,…between the time I first looked at it,…in March of 2013,…to today. The Google Earth pictures were dated 2011 then,…and are dated as 2014 now. The increase in the number of beetle-killed trees I saw,…both standing and downed,…was staggering. And the fire danger is going to be high,…in that lightning-prone area,…this summer. :-O

          My third evening at Campfire Lodge,…on July 30, 2013,…there was an intense three hour lightning storm,…with heavy rain. I was glad no fires started from that. But it did ruin the fly fishing for a few days on the Madison River near there.

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          • Geography and its flora change over time don’t they? Hillsides and rocks remain pretty much the same but what we see on Google earth today will not be the same in 10 years. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons for a set on his latest interview that he would be happy for someone to find his treasure tomorrow. Have to go to work, will check in with you later. By the way I noticed leash laws for that bear of yours make sure he’s on a leash and you’re picking up after them in the park.
            www.imposemagazine.com/bytes/bookish/lit-randomness-gary-shteyngart-edition

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      • lia – You wrote:

        “And how would f know if those ladies were cute or not. I doubt they sent him a photo. F is funny but there may be truth in his jest. Guess those ladies decided not to ask ‘the runner’ for help.”

        Maybe those ladies sent Forrest a SHADOW PHOTO???:

        dalneitzel.com/2013/10/20/ladies-only/

        I’m just sayin’,…signed:

        “Diggin Gypsy” 🙂

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          • lia – Hopefully NOT this reference,…for a prophecy by Ezekiel,…in that link:

            Ezekiel 29:11-13
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            11 Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years.

            I don’t THINK so,…Forrest! But then again,…the boundary sign DID say, “No Grizzes Allowed”. 😉

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    • After my lengthy diatribe, let us pause to reflect on the sage words of Ralph Waldo Emerson:

      “Let us be silent, that we may hear the whisper of God.”

      Thanks for posting it earlier. I should be silent more. Somedays my listening audience must think I’m a chipmunk or little bird. I’m enjoying a lovely evening of “Piano Guys Radio” on free Pandora.

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          • lia – One man’s experience, there,…on the Madison River:

            midcurrent.com/books/deserves-got-nothing-to-do-with-it/

            It was not a place of slick boulders or moss-covered, ankle-turning rocks, but a place of easy transport on a sand and gravel deposit. Nonetheless, I can’t remember slipping, stumbling, or tripping, but in the next instant I was in the drink, face down, running like a maniac under a long chute of fast water so my feet could catch up with the rest of my body and I could regain my balance and stand upright again. According to experts at Boy Scouts of America, the Red Cross, and National Outdoor Leadership School, it is best for a man in my woeful situation to flip over on his back, point feet downstream, and ride the dunking out, but things happened so fast that going by the book was impossible. It never occurred to me that I might drown (I didn’t) or that this was a near-death experience (it wasn’t), but the emptiness in the pit of my stomach seemed endless, as though I were free falling into an abyss. While I was in the Big Wet, I had the uncanny sense that I was away somewhere, not exactly on holiday or on a pleasure jaunt, but just away somewhere with enough carefreeness to realize that mail was piling up on the sideboard at home, though I had no qualms about not opening it nor any compelling desire to read it. I was not frightened myself, but was haunted most of all by the nagging premonition that while I was absent, beyond communication, someone dear to me would die and I would not know it until too late. I could not say who that person was or might have been, but the sense of absence, sadness, and even dread that attends a momentous loss filled every nook and cranny of my head. Shadows passed behind my eyes; time slowed to a tick.

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          • lia – And sometimes those Water Ghosts,…enlist the help of “Rock Snot”,…which I HOPE wasn’t what I was slipping on,…in my bare feet,…while trying to cross,…at the confluence of Cabin Creek and “IT”:

            flyfishyellowstone.blogspot.com/2007/09/damnitall.html

            “.. The Didymo organism can alter the food chain by covering the river bed with a slimy mat that kills the benthic invertebrates that trout eat. The best research suggests that fly fishers are the major culprits in the spread of this menace. The mechanism is felt-soled-waders that can carry unique genomes of indigenous variants of Didymo to new environments thus allowing the diatom to behave as an invasive species, rather than an endemic species.”

            Wouldn’t it be great to have Bear Feet,…like My Grizz,…with his four inch claws,…so we could cross “IT”,…right there,…as easily as HE does? 🙂

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          • lia – I just read that fly fisherman’s story again,…about him falling in The Madison River,…and he called the trout on the end of his line, “Moby Brown” (re: Forrest’s capitalization of “home of Brown” in The Poem):

            “My gut response was not just anger, but a kind of undirected fury that I had been tricked by a nameless, malicious, cozening god. If that’s the case, then the instrument of my undoing had better be nothing less than the Boss Fish of the Madison, Moby Brown..”

            And he, too,…ended up at the Grizzly Bar and Grille,…like we will,…with Bart the Bear II and Brutus in tow:

            “We all just have to stand ready to play the fool when our time comes, and leave the ruminations and second guessings for much later, after the waitress at the Grizzly Bar and Grille has announced last call.”

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          • E* I noticed you and Astree’s conversation on MW but honestly that method just throws my mind into confusion. You two are brilliant but the ciphers cloud my brain.
            I wanted to ask if in your years of research you have sorted out how you think ff may have used the alphabet symbolically. Below is an excellent reference for treasure symbolism. Its fun to think about,but I’m stumped on the use of H, h. The capitol H typically indicates hill, high, hole and tunnel, while the lower case h may indicate brush, but I couldn’t find much else. Ideas?
            Also looking at V which could be canyon, but also points to the money “hole” which I find twice with a set of directions between. One last question, if other pirate or spanish treasures indicated U U for burried, do you think f would apply it the same way? I can’t figure out if a hole is a hole or entrance to a cavern. Kinda hoping I’m just ducking under a juniper bush to see a cleft in a rock or alcove between some boulders. Thanks for that i ! lightening reference – I’ll pay attention to any lightening rod trees – the smooth gray ghosts which are homes to owls.

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          • anna – Could you provide that link to the treasure symbols please? I would like to study it,…before I answer you. But my first response would be to the first word of The Poem, “AS”:

            A = The Golden Triangle,…with the symbol for Phi = Ef,…up in that vertex,…meaning that Forrest is laying in his ef-fort,…in that lightning-struck White Pine tree (like the tree burial image),…with a “high regard” view of the mountains and the river/creek. But I like the “Why”(Y) letter for that idea, also. Especially because I found those two Y trees on my trail here at home (and because the one in my image I provided looked like that).

            S = “IT” = the River or Creek,…with the lazy “S” curves,…that tree overlooks.

            And I mentioned I am not good at anagrams, etc. I just like watching Astree’s genius at work. I think more in terms of those survivalist’s hiking pictagrams I mentioned. Like,…wouldn’t a deep river canyon,…with steep cliff faces on either side,…look like an “M”? Or,…if it has a steep cliff only on one side,…then how about an “N”? 🙂

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          • anna – And you wrote:

            “..if other pirate or spanish treasures indicated U U for burried, do you think f would apply it the same way?”

            Since Forrest said he likes to do “something different”,…with words,…when asked about dictionaries,…how about flipping over those “UU” symbols,…to “twist” them upside-down,…into a Double Omega “??”? 🙂

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          • anna – Which is why I have my Double Omega Island solve,…that I provided,…with the Captain Kidd on Clarke’s Island, CT link. A rainbow is actually not an arch,…but is a 360 degree circle. We can only see the part that is above ground (As above, so below). I envision the creek circle,…surrounding my island,…to be that Double Omega Rainbow,…with the Rainbow trout swimming in “IT”. 🙂

            ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.mwaiCJClM4sHIMW1fC9Bww&w=236&h=164&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.1

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        • Ahhhh, my world is nobly peaceful now. A big Brutus bear hug! My heart sings to the piano and cello. In heaven my voice will too:-) I’m trying to catch up with the many posts but must be careful not to spend too much time or may get the proverbial boot at home.

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  26. Thank you for posting that JC. I never knew exactly how it all worked. Thats a very simple and easy to understand explanation of the process.
    I am 57 grew up in the shadow of the past of that deadly invention.
    Many undisclosed tests in our past, the affects still being felt today in the population.
    One teacher I had took the progressive step of showing us, her middle school students the uncut version of the movie Hiroshima. It was on site footage of the after effects of that bomb. They are not images that will ever leave my mind. The film footage of it shaped my life forever.
    I think everyone should see that footage to show them what it really all means.

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    • Astree – Robert Langdon,…in Dan Brown’s books,…has nothing on you,…when in comes to figuring out anagrams! I am better at acronyms,…myself,…where I can use my intuition,…as well as T he context,…to figure out the intended meaning. Hey,…did you notice your post was at 11:22? Dan Brown seems to also like the numbers 555 and 33 a lot,…especially in his book,…”The Lost Symbol”.

      And I really like this quote,…that has both ‘silent’,…and ‘whisper’,…in the text:

      “Let us be silent, that we may hear the whisper of God.”
      ? Ralph Waldo Emerson

      Sometimes being silent is best, I think,…to really have a deeply felt experience. : -)

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      • E*: like the numbers 555 and 33 a lot,…especially in his book,…”The Lost Symbol”.

        🙂

        A few hours ago, a friend mentioned a number to me … 555 ( for work-related reasons) and I told him that I had just bought 555 shares of something. 🙂

        E* said:

        “Let us be silent, that we may hear the whisper of God.”
        ? Ralph Waldo Emerson”

        Oh, that is beautiful.

        Last week, I was driving up past Walden, and was remember Thoreau, as well.

        Have you read Emerson, on “Compensation” ?

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          • Jim Sanborn is the artist who created the Kryptos sculpture at CIA Headquarters. Dan Brown talks about Kryptos in his 2009 Novel, The Lost Symbol. Jim Sanborn also created a sculpture called Critical Assembly. Some people think it’s The Bomb.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Assembly

            It’s the inner “physics package” of the world’s first nuclear bomb called The Gadget. It was a plutonium bomb which was detonated on July 16, 1945. 5,300 pounds of high explosive surrounded the softball size sphere of plutonium in the center. When the high explosive was detonated it compressed the plutonium sphere with equal force all around down to about the size of a tennis ball. In nanoseconds, neutrons started splitting off in pairs knocking other neutrons out of their places…and BOOM! The world was a different place forevermore.

            The Fat Man bomb which was dropped on Nagasaki was the exact same bomb as The Gadget just enclosed in an iron bomb shell. Little Boy, which was dropped on Hiroshima, was a uranium bomb which was much simpler. Critical mass was achieved simply by shooting an amount of uranium down a large gun barrel where it impacted another mass of uranium. It was a very inefficient and “dirty” bomb. The method was very simple and was never fully tested before deployment, although many “dummy” bombs were dropped (from 32,000 feet) to ensure that the two masses of uranium would never contact each other “accidentally”…including an accidental drop or plane crash.

            How do I know about these things, you ask? Well…I’ve spent many months researching…and studying…and pondering…how best to protect…my precious bodily fluids.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUCLHzWiJo

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      • About 3 hours ago …

        E*: did you notice your post was at 11:22? Dan Brown seems to also like the numbers 555 and 33 a lot,…especially in his book,…”The Lost Symbol”.

        About 3 hours ago … ( about the same time)

        tweleve.org/maranatha/26453-intuition-87.html#post559426

        upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Wrigley%27s_Gum_1920_Ad.jpg/170px-Wrigley%27s_Gum_1920_Ad.jpg

        ( I think these are independently posted, E*, only connection was the “353” … and look at the 33 in the Wrigley URL) ?

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