Poem 2:2

And take it in the canyon down,

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      • Woody,
        I’ve been communicating with Fenn for four years and the more I do, the more I can say my findings are dead on….dead on. What I find compelling is how people feel that whatever Forrest says is the truth. He’s got everyone bamboozled. Now, you said “NO” to my comment. Again, do you have the treasure?

        TomGo see Forrest andask him.I’d bet money he would say it’s not !


  1. And take it in the canyon down….. What’s in the canyon? Maybe this ….
    Definition of yon..
    yon – distant but within sight…

    So is is possible that from wwwh you can see Brown in the distance but it’s too far to walk?


    • IMO……WWWH is the Vietnam Memorial in Angel Fire, NM. It sits high atop a hill. Drive down the hill from the memorial and make a left….you are driving thru the canon…….9 miles to Eagle Nest Lake, “Home Of Brown”…..9 miles not too far but too far to walk.


      • Well I don’t think it’s that close, the little girl from India would need a ride and Forrest said I could reverse engineer the poem from Brown but I’d need some gas money. So I’m thinking it might be over yonder.


      • sorry to change the subject but i got a quick question for everyone…..do you consider a basement a structure? simple yes or no. no explanation necessary.


        • Bob, good question… is a basement a structure?
          Please enjoy the Noun definitions of “structure” and then take your pick. A basement is part of a building’s structure, but a basement is NOT applicable to most other def’s of structure. Forrest is masterful at using words with multiple,colorful definitions and leaving his audience to assume what they will. I tend to take the road less travelled and have fun with alternate definitions. It allows more room to maneuver through the poem with success.

          n. Something made up of a number of parts that are held or put together in a particular way: hierarchical social structure.
          n. The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole; makeup: triangular in structure.
          n. The interrelation or arrangement of parts in a complex entity: political structure; plot structure.
          n. Something constructed, such as a building.
          n. Biology The arrangement or formation of the tissues, organs, or other parts of an organism.
          n. Biology An organ or other part of an organism.
          transitive v. To give form or arrangement to: structure a curriculum; structure one’s day.
          from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
          n. A cohesive whole built up of distinct parts.
          n. The underlying shape of a solid.
          n. The overall form or organization of something.
          n. A set of rules defining behaviour.
          n. Several pieces of data treated as a unit.
          n. Underwater terrain or objects (such as a dead tree or a submerged car) that tend to attract fish
          n. A body, such as a political party, with a cohesive purpose or outlook.
          n. A set along with a collection of finitary functions and relations.
          v. To give structure to; to arrange.
          from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English
          n. The act of building; the practice of erecting buildings; construction.
          n. Manner of building; form; make; construction.
          n. Arrangement of parts, of organs, or of constituent particles, in a substance or body.
          n. Manner of organization; the arrangement of the different tissues or parts of animal and vegetable organisms
          n. That which is built; a building; esp., a building of some size or magnificence; an edifice.


  2. ARGUS33 – AaaarrrrggghhhUS! And take “IT” in the Grand Canyon down thar! WWWH,…and where it’s “too far to walk”,…but not for Captain Barbossa and his skeleton crew:


    And it seems like all seemingly nice femme fatales,…with a name that begins with “E”,…are really PIRATES! (@9:01):


    I’ll be throwin’ ‘ya one of th’ Pieces of Eight,…for th’ clue. Much obliged. 🙂


  3. LOL JC, classic. 🙂

    Part of my hubbys job entails shipping huge machines. Many times the crew sings while pushing multiple ton loads. The factory manager has been stopping by and tells them its the only place he has ever seen people having so much fun at work. 🙂

    The security department pops corn and they all sit watching to see what the guys are up to on any given tool move.ROFL


    • That sounds like fun, Deb. People really have to do something to take their minds off of the sometimes arduous task at hand. When I’m working I have my MP3 player going. It helps the day go by more quickly AND the earbuds (headphones) take away the shrill sound of the diamond blade on my saw cutting through tile. It’s LOUD! If I didn’t protect my ears somehow I’d be even more hard of hearing than I already am. What?! Did you say something?! 🙂


  4. Off topic, I’m just curious. Has any one seen the recent article in the Albuquerque Journal dated November 21st in reference to T H’s solution to the treasure.


      • JC….thanks for the feedback. Hey, I’m just sharing what we have found in our search and we believe the pictures say it all. I find this comparison particularly compelling. Notice the growth next to the rock (dark area) on right has been removed. Would love to know why……and how…..and by who?


        • Tom H – Warning: THIS IS ONLY A JOKE,…and not intended to reflect on the integrity of your solve,…IN ANY WAY:

          You wrote:

          “Would love to know why……and how…..and by who?”

          Have you considered,…ALIENS??? And that the “dark area” might have been something OTHER than the Bronze Chest??? And that Aliens might be starved for entertainment,…TOO???!!!


          • JC…..I’m smiling. I feel it is important to note that my intention all along was to share our findings just like everyone else. The last thing I want to do is destroy anything for any of the searchers. When I thought we were at a point where we were going to find the treasure I emailed Forrest and said that if we did I would not announce it until winter when family vacations were over and kids were back in school. What Forrest and Dal have done here from the beginning to keep the search alive, intriguing and fun is outstanding and remarkable. They should be commended. As I shared with both of them……treasure hunting can do funny things to people. Like all of the searchers I worked very hard on my solutions and sharing them with others came out of excitement and enthusiasm. Do I have the treasure?…..no. Should people keep on looking?……yes, of course. I look forward to the day someone comes forward with it and I certainly hope they do something helpful and good with it. That was my intention.


          • I agree with you, Tom. I am also grateful to Forrest and Dal…although I still question like most people what exactly is the relationship between them. Whatever it is it seems they have developed a great friendship as a result of The Chase…or maybe before?…I don’t know. The truth is, true friends are worth more than that bronze chest.
            I just hope somebody finds that bronze chest before my hair gets any greyer. I’m only starting to look like I have a salt and pepper hairdo…but I try to be a “salt of the Earth” kind of guy…with a healthy pinch of pepper for good measure…just to keep things spicy. I just hope Saint Peter isn’t waiting for me at The Pearly Gates with some pepper spray that has my name on it…with a warm welcome like, “We’ve been expecting you.” LOL…or COL…that’s Crying Out Loud…to the late person. Then I’ll say, “Wait! Wait! I’m not who you think I am…my name is…uhhh…Bob…Sponge…bob.” 🙂




    • JC, your post made me remember a funny story that seems a bit appropriate this day before turkey day, aka Thanksgiving.

      A few years ago I required emergency surgery that involved the throat area. While coming out of the anesthesia I was dreaming I was a turkey on a float in a parade.LOL
      Well at the end of the parade, me the turkey ends up in a poultry processing factory. I woke up telling them, “I am not a turkey! Im not a turkey!” Hahahaha

      I am grateful for so many things, especially not being a turkey! 🙂


  5. There is two things to consider in this line. What is “it” and “who or what” takes it in the canyon down?
    In every solution I’ve read, everyone has had themselves taking it in the canyon down. In my solution it’s something else.


    • Hello Jim! What is your something else?

      Because the first word in this line is “and”, then it is a continuation of the line prior…”begin it where..”
      Same “it”

      Unless the word and means something totally different from the rest of us English speaking peoples than it does to FF in which case every single word in the poem may not be able to be read at face value. AND then we would need a Rosetta Stone to decipher his language.

      But I’m still curious Jim, if not the searcher on a journey, what is your it?


      • Bob
        I don’t feel comfortable telling the world what my something else is at this time. I will however, say that my “IT” in “and take it in the canyon down” is: the path of least resistance.


        • Jim
          I’m with you on “the path of least resistance”. I’m reading that it’s the pervious line that takes it in the canyon down, not me getting in the car and driving down the road.

          Here is a third possibility for thought:
          I read some where that artist Grafton Tyler Brown did several paintings of Yellowstone back in around 1890 and one was of the lower falls. He referred to Yellowstone as “where warm waters halt”. With this in mind, the ‘IT’ in the second line of this stanza could be referring to the first line.
          Begin searching in Yellowstone,
          And take the Yellowstone River into the canyon down.
          Just a crazy thought and I find it interesting that Grafton’s last name is Brown.


      • Or maybe “it” is the Going To The Sun Road?….and maybe if you translate correctly it actually says that in the poem? And maybe the home of Brown is Brown mountain/lookout near the entrance….and maybe the end is ever drawing nigh where that road turns to Looking Glass Hill Road….?


        • Circumstance – Or maybe “IT” is Three Forks, MT (begin the turn of the plane for your approach there),…which looks like a Crux Immissa (the one Christ died upon was certainly HIS WWWH!). It is also WWWH from a trout fishing standpoint,…since the “Big Muddy” begins there (the Jefferson, Madison and Gallantin,…that meet there,…are the cold water tributaries of the warmer Missouri River,…which all have great trout waters).

          And “take it in the canyon down”,…could be flying down the Madison River Canyon approach route,…by plane,…until you, “put in below the home of Brown”,…at West Yellowstone Airport (WYS):



          • Circumstance: The Going to the Sun Road,…and Wild Goose Island,… are North of Missoula, MT,…where Three Forks is South of it:


            This road is shown in the opening credits of the 1980 film The Shining, as Jack Torrance’s Volkswagen glides past Saint Mary Lake and up the road, underneath a small tunnel and onward, presumably going to the Overlook Hotel for his job interview as a caretaker.

            And speaking of Missoula,…here is WWWH,…as in Latitude,…from a Glacial standpoint:



          • I don’t understand how you see the west Yellowstone Airport as home of brown? Is that a nickname I’ve never heard? Could you explain?


          • Circumstance – I was referring to Forrest having “put in below the home of Brown”,…in his plane,…as in below the Southernmost reaches of the “home of Brown”,…meaning today’s Grizzly habitat (shown in green):


          • So you don’t think it’s anywhere near wild goose island? Or a a place your line of sight might pass through a Gunsight towards the island? Not even one bit?


          • Circumstance – I was agreeing with you,…that Wild Goose Island lies within the glacial WWWH zone. One of my blogging buddies, CROWDOG, …from over on Forrest’s blog,…likes that whole Glacier National Park area,…and he led me to various areas to explore:

            CROWDOG says: 1:41 PM ON JUNE 5, 2014
            I had the pleasure of watching some groups put in behind the dam of the Flathead a year ago- of course there is real cool place on Flathead Lake called Wild Horse Island has some sheep on it as well pretty interesting but, If i wanted to take my box and crawl in a hole — I think I would choose to prop myself up by the Tree of Kindness.

            E* says: 2:10 PM ON JUNE 5, 2014
            CROWDOG – You can lead a Sheep to water,…but you can’t make him drink:


            Hey,…maybe Wild Horse Island is where the last remaining members of the Sheep Eater Indians are hiding? But they wouldn’t be riding those Wild Horses,… because they travelled on foot,…and only used dogs to transport their belongings,… and for hunting, too (but a few traded for horses with Lewis and Clark apparently):



          • Circumstance – Another searcher,…over on Dal’s blog,…mentioned Looking Glass Hill Road,…which made me think of Forrest’s “tight focus” comment. Here is the view from there:


          • Thanks E*- yeah- that’s me over there but they already had a circumstance, and there was already a Jamie over here so I didn’t change it here and used my FB over there. Easier to keep em straight that way. Lol


      • Santa Fe Trail…..that’s interesting. Our first search put us on the SFT around MIami Lake, south of Cimarron, NM. Miami Lake was our “Warm Waters Halt”. Problem was the SFT runs thru a private ranch and we were stopped by a gate. Crazy thing about that search was a large white X we spotted on top of a rock pile on GE. We thought a great deal about that spot until we came up with our recent discoveries…….which have ended our search.


    • Jim:
      There is two things to consider in this line.What is “it” and “who or what”takes it in the canyon down?
      In every solution I’ve read, everyone has had themselves taking it in the canyon down. In my solution it’s something else.

      Hi Jim,

      From what I’ve found:

      1) Forrest is using “IT” in the common sense, as in “the puzzle / adventure”

      2) “IT” also represents the trail (so, the directions ARE for the puzzler … “you” … to follow)

      3) “IT” serves as a functional hint, e.g., that the pieces of the puzzle are related by in-situ navigational aids

      Following is an example of “IT” relationship in the poem:

      POEM IT



      • Astree – Your theories and diagrams on “IT”,…and whether or not “IT” is the “word that is key” are intriguing. I have also followed the discussions over on Dal’s blog about what the key word might be. But has anyone considered this theory,…which I will call, “The Key of F”?:

        Do, Re, Mi, Fa…. (in the Key of C,…Fa = the F Note):

        Fa refers to Far, defined as to or at the most distant or remote point, “a long long way to run”.

        Not Fa (Far),…but too far to walk.

        Not “a long long way to run”,…but too far to walk.
        (How FAR do you think THAT would be???)

        Clef Symbol = Key = Translated from French


        Note: Mi = E* = “a name I call myself” 🙂


          • Astree – Likewise,…I’m sure:

            The use of a seven-note diatonic musical scale is ancient, though originally it was played in descending order.

            In the eleventh century, the music theorist Guido of Arezzo developed a six-note ascending scale that went as follows: ut, re, mi, fa, sol, and la. A seventh note, “si” was added shortly after.[6] The names were taken from the first verse of the Latin hymn Ut queant laxis, where the syllables fall on their corresponding scale degree.

            Sheet Music for Ut Queant Laxis:

            Ut queant lax?s reson?re f?br?s
            M?ra gestõrum famul? tuõrum,
            Solve poll?t? labi? re?tum,
            Sancte Iõhann?s.

            The words of the hymn (The Hymn of St. John) were written by Paulus Diaconus in the 8th century. It translates[7] as:

            So that these your servants can, with all their voice, sing your wonderful feats, clean the blemish of our spotted lips, O Saint John!

            Fa = ‘famul? tuõrum’ = ‘your servants’.

            Some people think that all came from that, “Sound of Music” song!


    • The old saying…”you can’t take IT with you” comes to mind when discussing it. Especially when stanza two and three of the poem invoke a great degree of difficult navigation. An overview of the book TTOTC highlights travel(s) and death. So I’m thinking the it in question may be related to the it that you can’t take with you when you die. Is that your it Jim? I can keep casting guesses or you could just share here at Mikes. We are a tight lipped group. I don’t bite.


      • Bob – I beg to differ. I think Forrest’s instructions were crystal clear,…and were directed specifically to this person,…because he has an IQ of 300,…but I think he spelled “It” incorrectly,…but that could have been misdirection:


  6. And take IT IN THE canyon down

    “it in the” can be rearranged to tenth – leaving two i’s but i must go.


    And take tenth canyon down


  7. chris yates wrote: (www.ttotc.com/books/ttotc/chapter-15/#comment-76319 )

    ” i think there is a subtle hint that the word nigh is the 66th word but the BC chapter ends on page 67. the first letter from the 67th word is connected to the previous line. the next letter T from ‘There’ll’ must be used to make Nigh, Night. ”

    Thank-you, Chris. Yes, very nice, the way you tied it in with the book. The amount of coordinated information that Forrest presents is impossible.

    Forrest writes in such a concise way as to be able to convey a variety of messages in his poem… much more than is required to solve for the physical location of the treasure, and part of what I’m calling “The Unknown Forest”.

    I had recently mentioned his reference to NIGHT (www.ttotc.com/the-poem/stanza-1-2/s1-line-1/#comment-74643 ) . This was coded and confirmed multiple times at the deeper levels of the poem, and I’m not going into detail on that, but will on the Level 2 mention of NIGHT, which has been posted several times, yours being the latest.

    To add a bit more of this particular metaphorical context … this is at Level 2 … speaking of the NIGHT..

    Recalling his use of the rainbow, you will put in below Brown, into the Black

    ….no place for the meek
    The end is ( the black) Eve, (the letter) “r” drawing ( to the left ) nighT
    here’ll be no paddle up your creek

    (and further comments at deeper levels)

    Incidentally, wrapping back to your use of the page 67 and worth (equal to) “the cold” … numerical values of “the” (33) and “cold” (34) total 67, and from the deeper levels he refers to an icy winter, the temperature at that state is 32 .



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