Stanza 4

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

329 thoughts on “Stanza 4

  1. If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace.

    Looking at these words and what I have seen…All in all, in my solve there is a good possibility that one can fine the treasure chest without these lines in the Poem. They are helpful though.
    Now how is that for extreme thinking. You might think I may have chewed gravel.

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    • geydelkon, i get it….the treasure chest has quarry.
      chewed gravel- talkin quarry
      of course you and i know the treasure chest, poem chest and bronze box are three different things.

      also, it was reported on Dals blog you were involved with the search for Randy. care to share any thoughts on that subject?

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      • Hey Bob,

        There are so many stories to tell. More about the Thrill of the Chase than one can imagine. I really like the way you think Bob and you are 100% correct. Yet, no one has yet figured what the 10% means, I do know one would have to do the math.
        Anyway, when I first heard of Randy missing, I loaded up and got on my high steel horse. Now that is a good way to start a story.
        I went down to the Rio to search for a few days. It was cold and muddy. It was an area I never set foot on before. There were signs of many people have already made there brave attempts in the search. I really had no idea who this guy really was. As time went on information came to light that I was getting to understand this person. So, after a few days I had gone home still thinking of why. The treasure chase was far from my mind most of the time because you and I know that the poem does not lead you to New Mexico.
        The second trip I had taken my wife. She listens to my ideas and pokes holes in them any chance she gets. That way I know I am on the right track.
        We spent 4 days in the area and it was best for us to go off track from everyone else. That way if I did find any tracks and or signs then there may be a clue. The wife really enjoyed the trip, I was able to teach her a lot about being in the wilderness from my own experiences. I took many photos of where we were looking but my camera resolution was nothing like the other searches who have taken photos as well. We did reach areas on the ATV that were pretty rugged and we covered a lot of ground.

        I am still looking at all the post concerning Randy. A lot of area has been searched, but he could be 50 feet way and one could walk right by him. It is unfortunate for him that we got late word he was missing.

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      • Well, I dont know where the post went.
        I do agree with you 100%.
        I will be patient but before I go, I did figure out most of the clues just by researching the internet. No BOTG needed.
        There are those who claim it cant be solved by just being the computer. Hell, I probably have some kind of degree by now.
        It seems the most talked about part of the poem still eludes the masses.

        I just posted this on my Facebook page. You will need to friend me to see all my post.

        “After all these years not one person knows what put in below… the home of….Brown means. First it is not a clue. Just my opinion.”

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  2. into:
    Gey –

    You had me worried for awhile there – I thought you where in my spot – hummmm

    But, now I don’t think so.

    Today we did another failed BOTG search.Dang – we tried but no luck.At least I am so over crying on the way home.Now it’s just – Oh well, next time.

    I want you to post you line graph – that would be cool.I am stuck on my spot and will not go to yours.LOL

    Now I have to go and do a google line graph on my spot.Geez.I’ll let you know what I see.

    What state where you into?

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      • Colorado seekers,
        My best solution was in Colorado. My most imaginative was in Montana. I always wondered how the other seekers thought about each so I published them both: Montana on my website and Colorado in my book. Both very different approaches but used many common themes.

        Not many know about my Colorado solution but I do know many from Colorado follow my website. Into, Gey any comments?

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        • Wolf –

          Colorado has always been my only choice. Early on, I had typed out the poem and was standing in my kitchen (where good things happen) and reading the poem over and over and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I knew where he put it. Not exactly, but close and even today with all that he has said (which ruled out many spots) I am within 1,000 ft of there my first guess was. I am no longer guessing. I was there yesterday – and no one else has been there, I know that because the last time I was there – I left something – and that something was still there and had not been moved. Yesterday, my hubby did not feel well and we left before we accomplished the final task. It would this time of year, imo, be extremely hard to find the spot, because of the heavy brush…..if you didn’t know beforehand precisely where it was. When I first got there the first time I went – alone, I found an X. That X is no longer there. I removed it. Wouldn’t you have done the same thing? Of course you would have. I am not saying the X was the blaze – as it is not. The blaze can not be removed. The story of how and why he did this will blow everyone away. I am here today to say you have all been mislead by someone important – not Forrest. And I will not go into that statement any further. And I’m not sure it’s misleading – just someone’s opinion that is so incorrect. Actually that works for me, as it keeps people way from the real solve – and they will never find it – if they don’t play all the games. Poker is involved and Joker Marbles. Then there is the ground game – which is where I am now. Fun ? Well, so much work I cannot tell you. Along the way at times, I have been angry at Forrest for making this so hard – but not for long – as it is me, who is not getting something right in the end. I will get it right eventually and will never give up. 🙂

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          • Into – you removed the “X”? That wasn’t very sporting! At least I publically predicted where the treasure is (just to be sporting – ha!)

            Joking aside, why can’t you just get the treasure if you have the “X” – I mean X marks the spot right? So it is directly under there right?

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          •  “Then there is the ground game – which is where I am now. Fun ? Well, so much work I cannot tell you. Along the way at times, I have gotten angry at Forrest for making this so hard – but not for long – as it is me, who is not getting something right in the end. I will get it right eventually and will never give up. :)”

            I could not have said it better. Amen to that, into! 🙂

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          • UA –

            As I said above – I will not talk about “who” that might be and I will not. I think you could figure it out. It is not his family.

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        • Into,
          It’s great that it seems you came across something very important to understanding the solve. But I’m going to be brutally honest here… and this is just my personality talking, so take it as you may.

          The way I read your comment sounds as gloating and in your face attitude. That’s ok if that is what you intended… But I always see a red flag when hearing another push the I got the answers and no willingness to explain the thought process behind it.

          Do I need to know what you believe to be factual? No. just if you’re going to take the time, log in, type a response, say what you’re going to say, at least back it up with something… a little more concrete, An explanation of some kind. Or why bother saying anything at all.

          I said, I was going to be blunt.

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          • Seeker –

            You did not upset me. I know and appreciate what you are saying – put up or shut up. 🙂

            Many times in the past I have said too much. I was told to shut up – by others. Perhaps there is a happy medium in there somewhere? I will think on it. OK?

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          • Don’t worry about saying too much, I have never been ridiculed because I just do it. It one teases then people squawk. This site is very tolerent. I even checked recently with Stephanie because she used to be very paranoid. She doesn’t care anymore. People are coming around and if not that is there problem. You are free to speak as you may and I will definitely defend you.

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  3. bob:
    hi Anna. you are talking about two very different things there in your comment and is very confusing to me. not counting the bells.
    the chest spoken of in the poem does not contain an autobiography nor gold nor any jewels or gems. it is empty, and in the museum*. the chest has been found by me and in this thread on mikes blog i have told everyone where it is. and because of where it is in fact Forrest’s legacy WILL live on for a thousand years and more. as for the TREASURE, this is our national parks. which are found daily by hundreds.you made no mention of the bronze box.

    Fox dressed as a hound!!!!

    Bob,

    I think I know what you are talking about. Can you post a link about your stories.

    Yet, you did not find this chest with gold and gems…is that what you are telling us?

    www.earthmagazine.org/sites/earthmagazine.org/files/2015-01/Box_with_gold2.png

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      • Well Bob, I do know what it means. Yet, why did FF give us this statement. It was a unfortunate time in history. ” I give you title to the gold” is not what everyone thinks it means. I do have the location of all nine clues. I look too and fro and I am not understanding to what I am suppose to see. I haven’t put too much thought in to the Poem these last few weeks since I figured out the last line back then.

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          • Ok, this is weird. I started to edit my map from google earth leaving the lines to the points. Guess what it kinda looks like…..THE RUNNING MAN…..what the…

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          • Gey –

            You had me worried for awhile there – I thought you where in my spot – hummmm

            But, now I don’t think so.

            Today we did another failed BOTG search. Dang – we tried but no luck. At least I am so over crying on the way home. Now it’s just – Oh well, next time.

            I want you to post you line graph – that would be cool. I am stuck on my spot and will not go to yours. LOL

            Now I have to go and do a google line graph on my spot. Geez. I’ll let you know what I see.

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  4. bob:
    geydelkon- guess you wont be going fishing with me then.

    happy trails brother!

    watch out for that hound! dressed as a fox.

    Its all good Bob, I got a nibble on Friday. He will be back.

    Hey when you are by Colorado Springs, we can have lunch…my treat.

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  5. geydelkon- since i’m on the subject, this is from the big museum website under history. copied here word for word.

    How has an internationally recognized historical center blossomed in a small western town like Cody, Wyoming?
    William H. Hornby, senior editor of the Denver Post (1990-1992) answered- “Love of the west,freely given by the white and indian, country lawyer and New York tycoon, artist and scientist, salesman and scholar, American and foreigner.
    This appreciation for western culture, the draw of the Greater Yellowstone Region, and the mystique and love of Buffalo Bill himself have all combined with sound local leadership, money and sweat, persistence and compromise, vision and creativity, to grow a world class museum complex in the wild and colorful landscapes of the northern Rocky Mountains. From 5K in assets in 1917 to 50 million plus today.
    Mary Jester Allen would be proud.”
    end quote

    for me this sums up the whole reason for FF’s treasure hunt….show it to your kids.

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    • Hello Bob,

      Hope your day went well. There are so many chasers who I have talked too that have been to the museum. My wife and I have been there as well. I have posted our video once before:

      youtu.be/WPLLdwIWnhI

      It took us two days to look around at all the exhibits. It has so much history.

      Tonight, I am working on another page for titletothegold.com called “Heart of Gold”

      Johnny got a spot on our website.

      www.cbsnews.com/news/johnny-depp-visits-childrens-hospital-in-australia-dressed-as-pirate-jack-sparrow/

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoMz3JOnZFo&feature=youtu.be

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      • geydelkon- you have a shot of Harold McCracken in that. the chest is right next to him.

        I feel like the boy who cried wolf. not you Wolf, lol. maybe I should say the boy who cried…it’s a fox dressed like a hound !!!

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        • and geydelkon- there’s this…remember the forest fire display at the museum? just above the McCracken display? thats the blaze. the fire is a little higher in elevation than McCracken so, you must look quickly down. and Forrest posts on Dals blog as forrest fire. and, remember the photo of dal and Forrest together with blisters on Forrest’s face? like he was close to a fire? It all fits for me.

          hey!!!! its a fox dressed like a hound!!!

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          • Hello Bob,
            I really enjoyed the visit while I was at the museum. I saw things that I had found as a child. I found these in the desert and in the foothills of the Tularosa Basin. I lived in the desert and I have my special places no one knows about. I also know where at one time of 20 mules packed with gold are located. It is a riddle that I had solved.

            I am sorry Bob, but I have figured out the nine clues and you are way off my chaser friend. Remember, he thought of everything.
            Also remember there is no blaze to see.

            I would like to hear from anyone about their adventures and photos to be placed on my website. You will get your own personal webpage.

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          • geydelkon- guess you wont be going fishing with me then.

            happy trails brother!

            watch out for that hound! dressed as a fox.

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    • Bob –

      You know I don’t agree with your solve. But the other day I finally broke down and made a graph of the poem – (justified to the left) as was suggested to me by 42.

      This might be of interest to you – in the middle of the first section there is the word “lach”. When I looked it up there is what it said.

      laches

      n. the legal doctrine that a legal right or claim will not be enforced or allowed if a long delay in asserting the right or claim has prejudiced the adverse party (hurt the opponent) as a sort of “legal ambush.” Examples: a) knowing the correct property line, Oliver Owner fails to bring a lawsuit to establish title to a portion of real estate until Nat Neighbor has built a house which encroaches on the property in which Owner has title; b) Tommy Traveler learns that his father has died, but waits four years to come forward until the entire estate has been distributed on the belief that Tommy was dead;
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      I think what it is saying is – don’t delay.

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      • into- i am lost as to how you came up with that word…laches. as far as legalities go there is no precedent for this kind of action. and exactly how long is a “long delay” anyway? My lawyers Dewey Cheatem and Howe are still on the case. also, I think it was Deb who suggested awhile back that bronzes of FF and I arguing over the chest should be erected at the museum*. I like that idea best lol.
        this is Forrest’s game and I don’t want to make him madder at me than he already is by pressing the issue. I’m hoping others will see what i see because I dont want to be the only one on the podium at the awards ceremony. arent we all having fun during the delay?
        note: I’m really good at fishing Into.

        *Draper Museum of Natural History

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  6. bob:
    geydelkon- no, the chest spoken of in the poem is in Cody, WY at the big museum.

    Bob, you wouldn’t be the one in the news article that claimed the chest was buried under the Buffalo Bill monument?

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    • Here is the quote and link:
      www.codynewscompany.com/2015/06/could-codyyellowstone-area-hold-million.html

      Marquerite House, a Buffalo Bill Center of the West spokeswoman, says interest surrounding the Fenn treasure seems to sort of ebb and flow. At one point, someone was convinced it lay beneath the iconic statute of Buffalo Bill Cody that lies between the center and West Park Hospital, House said. (For his part, Fenn has said the hiding spot is “not associated with any structure.”)

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      • geydelkon- the chest in the museum is not associated with the structure. if you were to remove the structure, in this case the museum, the chest would remain.

        FF made this statement along with telling searchers not to dig up any old outhouses.

        this is how I justify my comments in my own mind anyway. LOL even if it turns out im wrong, I’ll always be right in my mind. LOL

        One of the more interesting comments FF made on his CBS Sunday Morning show appearance was when the reporter asked FF if he had it all to do over again, (the treasure hunt) would he? and in an instant, FF replied “yes”. no hesitation, no thought. to me, this means FF has accomplished his goal. I think there are things going on behind the scenes we know nothing about. the only way for FF to gain some sort of fame from all this is for the treasure hunt to end before he dies. the stage is being set for a spectacular ending. I think he wants to see it through.

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        • Bob, I respectfully disagree. Forrest wants his name to be spoken/remembered 100s or perhaps 1000s of years in the future. Thats why he hid the bells and chest accompanied by his autobiography.

          If the chest is found, the memory of Forrest Fenn is forgotten on the world’s stage in a matter of years.

          As long as the treasure is not found, his legend lives on, the mystique carries forward.

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          • anna –

            I think it’s a catch 22 – on one hand I think he very much wants it found – he wants to know if what he did worked. On the other hand – he doesn’t want the fanfare to be over.

            Well I say to him – with his smarts he could probably come up with another idea and already have a ready made pot full of followers. 🙂

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          • hi Anna. you are talking about two very different things there in your comment and is very confusing to me. not counting the bells.
            the chest spoken of in the poem does not contain an autobiography nor gold nor any jewels or gems. it is empty, and in the museum*. the chest has been found by me and in this thread on mikes blog i have told everyone where it is. and because of where it is in fact Forrest’s legacy WILL live on for a thousand years and more. as for the TREASURE, this is our national parks. which are found daily by hundreds. you made no mention of the bronze box.

            Fox dressed as a hound!!!!

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      • Well, I cant imagine it will be in the museum. With all the comments Mr. Fenn has made kinda disqualifies this area. But then I don’t have the treasure chest.

        So, once you take a photo, what do you do with it? Send it to Mr. Fenn. What do we need to take a tight focus of? Perhaps, I need to get my camera ready and go take lots of photos. I cant travel though, no gas money. But then, I have all that I need for my spot. I am not going out until next year.

        Anyone want to chime in on this?

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        • geydelkon- you said…”well, I cant imagine it will be in the museum.”

          it what? once again we must clarify…is your IT the treasure, the chest or the bronze box?

          read carefully what i said before….”the chest spoken of in the poem is in the big museum”

          nowhere else will you find where FF talks about this chest BUT the poem.

          remember the where warm waters halt website with the countdown clock? before it clicked to zero? the wooden box (chest) next to a house?

          yeah, that was a clue.

          and when you clicked on that chest there was music. something about lucky strike? FF’s ways are much too subtle for most. i think.

          yes gey, you take a photo of THE chest, below the blaze, and send it to FF and then what? you wait. like fishing.

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          • Ok, Bob
            I am a little confused. My thoughts on “it” means you yourself.
            The chest to me is a place to keep things or the front part of a animal or person.
            The treasure to me means is everything around you.
            the bronze box is specifically the “treasure chest” Mr. Fenn hid.

            Sorry, I am simple and confused. lol

            The WWWH website has no connection IMO.

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        • geydelkon- I dont think anyone here will chime in on this. they are all good people and if they dont have anything nice to say they say nothing at all. I’m alone on the museum thing and i’m fine with that. Davey Crockett said this….”make sure you’re right and then GO AHEAD!”

          i’ve done that.

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      • Bob,
        I just ran across your comment: “the chest is inside the museum in plain sight. kids can show you. just take it! (a photo)”

        I agree with Grey. Seems if one was to stand next to the chest, they would see Animals, trees, smell the natural surrounding etc. How could fenn made this statement if the chest was inside?
        How could the statement, not associated with a structure work with being inside a museum?
        How could the comment, the chest will be waiting for you to retrieve it, if it’s present is in a building?
        Do you have a photo of the chest inside the museum? or are you just making a guess?

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  7. As I have gone alone in there
    And with my bronze box bold
    I can keep my secret where
    And hint of riches new and old
    Begin it where warm waters halt
    And take bronze box in the canyon down
    Not far but too far to walk
    Put in below the home of brown
    From there it’s no place for the meek
    The end is ever drawing nigh
    There’ll be no paddle up your creek
    Just heavy loads and water high
    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze
    Look quickly down your quest to cease
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze
    Just take the bronze box and go in peace
    So why is it that I must go
    And leave my bronze box for all to seek
    The answer I already know
    I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak
    So hear me all and listen good
    Your effort will be worth the cold
    If you are brave and in the wood
    I give you title to the bronze box

    Why wasn’t the poem written like this? Because it wouldn’t serve his intended purpose.

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  8. “If you’ve been wise”
    I couldn’t find the word wise anywhere else but the poem in TTOTC. Maybe this is a hint. He refers to Eric Sloane as clever on page 7. “I wish I could be clever like that”.
    Also on page 7, his father…”he was really smart that way”
    Page 21, his mother…”she was smart like that”
    Page 37, both parents…”my parents were smart that way ”

    So Eric Sloane is clever and parents are smart. Careful wording. I’m leaning towards his parents as being wise. It is his father whom he quotes as giving wise advice to him growing up.

    “And found the blaze”
    from Father On The Banco…
    “he and my mother went out in the back yard and ceremonially burned the papers. They said it was a religious experience.”

    Here is the blaze.

    “Look quickly down”
    Praying…is the religious experience.
    (Thanks luckydog)

    “Your quest to cease”
    When we learn to pray, the search is over.

    “Take the chest, go in peace”
    Play the game of life with the cards you are dealt, and live happily. The chest is the collection of your life experiences, just like TTOTC.

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  9. “But there must have been some big flies around because she swished that tail so hard the stool went flying,…”

    The tail pulled the leg of the stool .
    “Pulling your leg”
    Not telling the truth
    The capital F in the drawing, next to the tail tied to the leg means FF is pulling our leg.
    My quest has ceased.

    “If you’ve been wise”
    (Found the reversed Norman Rockwells )
    “And found the blaze”
    (Milking Daisy)
    “Look quickly down ”
    (The capital F in the drawing )
    “Your quest to cease”

    Game Over!

    “The stool (bullcrap) went flying”
    We’ve been throwing ideas around for almost two years now! Lol

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    • I know Forrest is a senior citizen and a war hero and everything, but if this IS a hoax and there is no treasure,….there will be a reckoning! For that reason alone, the fact that a hoax would mean probable retribution from multiple sources, I seriously doubt that it’s a hoax!

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        • Deb- I’m not laughing at you, it’s funny to me that nobody seems to understand what I’m talking about. I’m not writing mysteriously, nor asking anybody to figure anything out. I’m trying to explain what I see as a puzzle book. One or two pieces at a time. I don’t think it’s a hoax either. There is treasure out there to be found, in the search area defined by the map in TFTW. Those mountains have gold in them. I don’t think the bronze box, as described by FF is “out there”. Because the poem does not say bronze box. It says I give you TITLE to the gold. My interpretation has nothing to do with FF integrity. In fact, I admire him for having the guts to do this even if I’m wrong on all counts. I don’t want the chase to end either, it’s lots of fun. I’m still finding new ways to look at the book, it’s layout, meanings of words. He has stated that folks will be surprised at where “it” is. Not only where but the “it” he speaks of. I’ve got a long way to go before I call this puzzle a hoax. If nothing is revealed next year after the WWWH countdown clock runs out, I’ll be disappointed. For sure, and after that I would be leaning toward hoax.

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          • Bob, I meant people will laugh because I trust in my gut instincts. Do you know how many people dont do that anymore? We as a society are out of touch with trusting our instincts.

            I am awed by the book and the vision Forrest had when he concieved it all. We all see something different in it and I dont think thats accidental. This is one great big sociology project.

            I talked on chase chat today about one little bit of my idea and knew that nobody else would see it but me. (It concerned the olive jar.)

            Thats ok if nobody but myself sees it that way. In part its my being a part of Forrests vision. Even if I never see the gold, I saw something that will last forever in my memory. All of it happened because of Forrests simple little book. I will never forget him and what he taught me. 🙂

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          • Bob,

            I apologize in advance, if I misinterpret what you are saying.

            Forrest said that he hid a chest in a precise location, the location of which is hidden in his puzzle. Is that something that you are questioning? In other words, that the treasure is naturally scattered through the Rockies?

            Even without Forrest’s explicit statements, he has implied the hidden chest in many ways, not the least of which is the picture of a treasure-laden chest in THE THRILL OF THE CHASE.

            astree

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          • Astree- yes and yes. That is what I am saying. Literal interpretation of poem will lead you into the mountains north of Santa Fe. Any of these mountains do in fact contain “more than twenty troy pounds of gold” (pg 151 TTOTC).

            And yes, I’m saying that only by implication are we to read that that same “treasure chest” is the bronze box full of gold and jewels. And Astree, I’m starting to question why I even bother to post my thoughts here. I’ve failed at making an impression on anyone.
            Lol

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          • Bob –

            I am listening to you – and hearing what you are saying.

            I am having a hard time putting that theory together along with his comment that the poem is straight forward.

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          • Inthechaseto- why? The literal interpretation of poem IS straightforward, into the mountains north of Santa Fe. Easy. Many have already searched there.
            And as for the poem interpreted metaphorically, it’s straightforward as well. At the Draper Museum of Natural History. It’s really easy for me to see it both ways quite wonderfully.
            Shall I say thrilling?

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  10. Good morning naysayers! Here’s more juicy information for ya !
    Throughout TTOTC Forrest mentions losing shoes, no shoes hints to being barefoot. On page 31 and 30 he is barefoot. The only two places in the entire book where you will find a drawing or photo of him barefoot. In the chapter The Long Ride Home, he’s wearing only socks, a hint to the cats on page 31 who would “sit there like wet socks hanging on a clothes line”.
    Furthermore, check out all the F words in this line….”there must have been some big Flies around because she swished that tail so hard the stool went Flying, making me Fall into a Fresh cow pie.”

    And….miss Ford, another capital F.

    The milk squirted in the cats faces is where warm waters halt.

    Where Forrest went in the cold , wooden barn alone. It takes much effort to milk a cow. Sitting that close to the hind leg of a powerful animal, who with one mighty kick to the head could kill a young boy, Forrest had to be brave, not meek.

    One more thing, the association to Buffalo Bill Cody on page 31 is Forrest sitting next to a horned bovine. Sitting Bull. The fact that udders were drawn on a male cow is just more “facts written wrong”. To throw the searcher. Hey JC! I’m using better judgement now, I didn’t say he lied. Lol

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  11. Today is a blaze craze good golly miss mollie I’ve found another one. Well it is the height of summer and it’s sizzilin brother!

    Oh yeah, ok page 31 in TTOTC. The drawing of young Forrest milking Bessie.
    This is a mirrored image of Norman Rockwell’s “milking daisy”. This piece by Rockwell depicted Mrs. Catherine O’Leary milking her cow with a kerosene lantern. Mrs O’Learys cow kicked over the lantern which caused the great Chicago fire in 1871. This is the blaze. Now if you look at the drawing again on page 31 in TTOTC, where Bessie’s tail is tied to the stool, at the bottom of the loop in the tail there is a Capital F! OMG! The capital F blaze that so many have searched for on trees! It’s right there in the book! Just above young Forrest’s right ankle.
    Additionally, the year on the family portrait is 1935, the year Rockwell created this piece.
    (Applause)
    Thank you, thank you, no really.
    Thank you Bur.

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      • inthechaseto – Yes:

        www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/arts/artsspecial/19STUDIO.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

        Before his death, Rockwell had made a gift of his studio and its contents to the museum: not just the furnishings but also his easels, brushes, paint tubes and stretcher bars; his books, magazine tear sheets, correspondence and check stubs; and more than 18,000 negatives for the photographs of posed models that he used as a constant reference while working. (An earlier studio had burned to the ground in 1943. Hence the packrat tendencies.)

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        • You know who else really suffered from blazes – is Frank Lloyd Wright.

          What a great architect. But the losses he endured thru fire – just horrific.

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          • And when after a two year search – I absolutely, 100% tied him to my spot – I did one of my dandy dance things around the room – again. So fun – thanks Forrest.

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          • Oh Bob – don’t get all sad and pouty.

            I found how FLW fits to your spot too –

            Folder 37: Interview #37 – Russell Waterman Crane, Jr. and Loch Crane, September 14, 2002Add to your cart.TOPIC: Brothers interviewed about their childhood in Meeteetsee. Their father homesteaded on land adjacent to the Phelps Ranch (Pitchfork Ranch?). Family moved to Cody, and descriptions of their home near Beck Lake are given, and of going to public school in Cody. A big moment in Russell’s life was being one of two children to open the curtain on the Robert Lindneux painting of “ Buffalo Bill’s Duel with Hay-O-Wei in July, 1876.” Loch Crane also talks about sailing at San Diego, and building sail boats for paralyzed persons after his retirement as an architect. He studied architecture under Frank Lloyd Wright.

            🙂

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    • Bob not sure if you also caught this but right after that “Great Chicago Fire 1871” Buffalo Bill appeared for the first time on stage, yes in Chicago – 1872. Bur

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  12. I have found the blaze. It’s Forrest Fenn’s pants! They are on fire! From the old saying …”liar, liar, pants on fire!”

    In TTOTC , his yarns, fables fabricated based on the life of Buffalo Bill Cody…..all lies. LOL ha ha ha. And in addition, I am being brave and in the wood. Brave by not showering Forrest with flatteries, but calling him out on these tall tales and in his face with it. I know he reads this blog. Forrest is the wood, brave and in the wood. Not afraid to call a spade a spade.
    So here it is old man, lol. I’ll take your chest and go in peace thank you very much!
    (Hey Bur! Give me a hand this thing is heavy!)

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    • I want to make it very clear that I’m not siding with you, Bob. I think that’s a strong accusation to make without knowing all the facts (truth). Are you sure you want to make it public that you think Forrest is a liar? I don’t think that’s wise.

      Besides, it’s “liar, liar, PLANTS FOR HIRE” or “plants for higher”…I’m not sure which. See how I don’t rush to judgement?

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rhuo1vnKE

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      • JC- please don’t side with me I want to be all alone in this. Yes, it’s a strong accusation based on the facts presented in the puzzle book TTOTC. And it’s true.
        I have never met Mr. Fenn in person, nor even talked to him on the phone. My judgement of him is solely based on his writing of TTOTC and I’m playing this game to the best of my ability. So I’ll say it again for all to see….the blaze referred to in his poem entitled. “Where the treasure LIES” is his pants!
        Liar, liar pants on fire!
        Look quickly down and see for yourself JC!

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        • Oh Bob –

          I love your sense of humor – ya know it’s really easy to catch your pants on fire if you get to close to the camp fire! Oh No.

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    • Why not do that privately Bob ? I already asked him if his pants were on fire. lol If being brave by questioning him worked I would have told you about it. 🙂

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      • Deb, I gave up on the privately thing. After emailing him numerous times over the last year and a half I’ve only got back one or two replies. The one I remember the most was when he asked me if I had my IQ checked lately. I just had to laugh out loud i mean because I had sent a solution to his poem and he’s asking me about my indigo queen? Lol! It’s like we are on different planets! This was during the dead of winter! All my queens were dormant and even though I’m in Florida, come on give me a break! Yeah, Deb I gave up trying to talk to that wacko, I just want to win the prize. Doesn’t everybody ?

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        • LOL He isn’t a wacko ! Well maybe that makes me a wacko too, because I don’t have problems talking with him? 🙂

          I just checked prices in Santa Fe for that weekend. Gave me a nosebleed reading them. LOL We never go to Santa Fe for much other than funerals and museums. 🙂 I think they might frown on us trying to camp out on the family plots at the cemetery? LOL

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          • Hi, Deb, You might get away with sleeping in the cemetery if simply light some candles and place them on the graves nearby. If you’re hassled by the authorities you can tell them you’re observing All Soul’s Day by staying overnight (including resting) with departed loved ones…like they do in many countries all over the world…like the Philippines. Surely the authorities won’t stop you from observing your personal religious beliefs…and if they try…they can be informed that you will turn the story into “the shot heard round the world.” 🙂

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  13. .
    There is quite a bit of discussion on line 4:1, and lack of X, at the moment, so making these observations:

    1) The verse 4 mentions the blaze, and has every letter except X
    2) ” the end is EVE drawing NIGHT here’ll be no paddle up your creek
    3) Forrest’s “The Thrill of the Chase” has discussion and artwork related to NIGHT

    4) NO “X”

    translate.google.com/#la/en/nox

    ( and Forrest’s comments related to night)

    (NOX – laughing gas, too)

    astree

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  14. Here is an interesting idea:
    p. 15 of TTOTC: “So now I sit here past midnight, beside my juniper fire, reflecting back to the year when my awareness took its first few steps.*”

    p. 132: “NINE clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end…”

    Stanza 4:
    If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
    Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
    Just take the chest and go in peace

    Stand next to the blaze on the 9th hour of the 9th day of the 9th month and look quickly down. The shadow will lead you to the treasure. But hurry and take your steps of awareness because the shadow will soon move. Any thoughts?

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      • Somehow, the blaze will lead you the treasure. One way that could be is that the blaze will cast a shadow that points to the treasure. I have found other hints that it is a “gnomon”. That may be why you have to look quickly down rather than carefully down and you have to tarry cant. The shadow will be on the ground and it will change location if you wait.

        So if that’s the case, you need a time and date that the shadow will point to the right place. I have been trying to find if he hid a coded date somewhere in the poem. No luck there, then it occurred to me that 9 clues may mean the clues are the number 9, as well as a total of 9 clues. So maybe the time and date is the 9th hour, 9th day, 9th month. Remember that he took two trips to hide the chest?
        Possibly he was there at 9:00 AM on 9/9/2009 and marked the spot and returned later to hide it there.
        Read the solution to the Masquerade treasure hunt. A shadow pointed to the treasure at noon on the solstice.

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        • Jack: The Golden Gnomon angles are 36-108-36 degrees,…and I thought you might enjoy this link showing the gnomon shape used for sundials:

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomon

          I have a very old artistic shadows reference,…that makes me think of the word LOVE,…which I hope will influence someone, someday,…to let me post something,…on that OTHER blog!

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          • Thank you E, interesting information. Hubby found one recently, he will enjoy learning more about it. 🙂

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          • Its a good idea, and maybe original on your part, but I highly doubt it to be correct. If it was, that would make it nearly identical to the solution of the most famous (and the original) armchair adventure “Masquerade” by Kit Williams. In that book, the treasure was found by the shadow of a cross pointing directly to the burial grounds at equinox. Forrest being ill around the time of publication and the scandal that followed, he no doubt took inspiration from the tale but I seriously doubt a man of his stature would up and copy that idea.

            Edit: I didn’t read the bottom part of your post. Indeed, my last few comments stand. Highly doubt Forrest would copy that idea.

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        • SO I must ask. Why wait until September? If you know where the blaze is, go there today and measure the angle. Then calculate where it will be on 09/09 at 9:00.

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    • Such elegance! Such poise! I’m happy to know those “get-ups” or not “in” anymore.
      I think the last “hat” should be made of tinfoil. She’d probably get a much better “reception”.

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      • That “reception” comment relates to Forrest’s comment to the young lady at the grocery story when he said, “How many stations can you get on that thing?” …and nothing else.

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    • .
      Okay, gotcha JC. I thought you might be referring to that Star Wars guy staring at the 42.

      ,,,,,,,,,,

      Just take the chest and go in peace

      This just “in” ….

      “Did you know…
      From Wikipedia’s new and recently improved content:”

      … that in 1862, along with Bill Cust, Canadian gold prospector, fur trader, and merchant Edward Carey discovered the first gold in Peace River?

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      Sure footing is no substitute for sure thinking.

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      • Hey Astree, I have been seeing your posts lately and you have been all over the place with info. Just wondering if all this info, which i’m not understanding, has lead you to your spot or is it just random info you come across not related to your solve. Bur

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  15. “Just take the chest and go in peace” I got to thinking about what was in the chest. Then I looked into the history of the Double Eagle Gold coins which weights .9675 troy ounces. 10% copper and 90% gold….hmmm Then I looked at the Peace coin and its the same. Anyone think there might be a connection? Just thinking.

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  16. inthechaseto:
    I think you ought to send Mike a good photo of yourself so he can put it on the header above.

    Were’s the party?

    More like where’s the strait jacket. OH did I spell strait the right way this time? I never claimed to be an English major.

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  17. Hi all,
    I’ve been out of the loop for a bit. Getting caught back up. So I just want to get this straight. If I take a picture of the BLAZE and send it to FF, I can claim the gold? I have a totally different BLAZE that I believe is the right one. Maybe I should try it and see what happens.

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  18. Bob: Mike- that’s what I was told throughthe curator.The thing the museum doesn’twant is a bunch of people sneaking into displays looking for the treasure.I made it clear all I have done is take pictures of a wooden chest.

    Is the Draper the same as the Buffalo Bill Museum? If it is, I have believed it could be there in the past. They have outdoor exibits that are not in the structure of the building and that is why he gave that clue. The heavy loads is actually their bronze exhibit. If you notice, they are owned by the Smithsonian and he has said that he would like it in the Smithsonian one day if found. Bob is correct that you need to take a picture and send it to Mr. Fenn. That is the reason he includes his email address and talks about getting emails so often. My current line of thought is different, but there are similarities that are the same.

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  19. Mike:
    Yes, but a deal’s a deal, so the treasure is yours.Maybe you could get a loan against the poem and pay it back after you get the inheritance.

    Mike- we better get a ruling from colokidd on that one.

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  20. colokidd:
    LOL!

    I propose that all searchers be allowed to concoct their own rules and solutions to the finding of FF’s treasure chest and to force FF to abide by them.

    Let me be the first.

    Rule#1 – My rule and solution supersedes all other’s past, present and future rules and solutions.
    Solution#1 – I claim FF’s treasure chest and it’s contents to be mine.

    Thank you everyone. It was one hell of a chase!

    colokidd

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  21. ltj:
    Crap

    Now what am I going to do with this GPR I just bought!!!???

    Itj- take it to San Lazaro pueblo and hang out with FF for a day. Drag it around and see what shows up on the screen. FF would love to have help as ” he’s done it tired and now he’s weak” archaeology?

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  22. Bob:
    Mike- I don’t know where the treasure is and, I don’t need to know.
    I laid out the steps to the blaze which will earn you the treasure.
    I won in court.

    Bob

    I am completely perplexed about this GPR thing, and exactly what you won in court.

    Let’s say you have this GPR thing in hand – what’s next?

    I did re-read a lot of the posts and still
    can’t get a grasp what’s going on here.

    Inquiring minds would like to know 🙂

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    • Itj- the court thing is a joke, I did not hire the three stooges to represent me against Forrest. Come on man, really? You don’t see the joke?
      Next, the poem is intended to send the reader into the wilderness. This was Forrest’s goal.
      But if you read the line”if you’ve been wise and found the blaze your quest to cease” it plainly states that all you have to do is identify and find the blaze. The inserted phrase with commas before and after “l

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      • That cracked me up.

        That you think I believed you hired the 3 stooges to represent you.

        But – I did start to believe you actually did take ff to court, because you were persistent in stating it was so 🙂

        I thought is Bob doing a “heist” using the courts as his gun?

        Just a fleeting thought.

        Then I thought – you know these judges these days – deep pockets 🙂

        Just a fleeting thought.

        Thanks for the great explanation in how you intend to use the GPR.

        I’ll probably forget in a day or two and ask the whole thing all over again.

        Reminds me of a friend and me having a few drinks.

        He told me a joke.

        Around 10 minutes or so I forgot he was the one who told me the joke and proceeded to tell him the same joke he just told me.

        He laughed and said – ” I just told you that joke ” 🙂

        Old Age!!!!

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    • Itj- sorry I accidentally hit post comment before I was done. To continue- the phrase “look quickly down” is describing what the blaze is.
      A GPR unit uses a radar that travels at the speed of light.
      Down into the ground to look underground. An archaeologist tool.
      A blaze is a trail marker, so the GPR finds objects underground giving the user a “trail ” to follow. Hence the GPR unit can be considered a blaze. Especially in Fennspeak. The line taken literally tells me this: identify and locate “the blaze” and your search is over.

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    • Itj- it’s not necessary to have the GPR in hand just inform Forrest that you have indeed been wise, identified and located the blaze and are now seeking “title to the gold”

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        • Mike- as I said in the mock courtroom discussion, the poem does not say when, exactly the finder is to receive “title to the gold” I’m thinking now that maybe it is an inheritance thing . Possibly, I’m in his will as an inheritor to be named after his death. This could coincide with “take the chest and leave my bones” all I can do now is wait , and hang out with you fine folks in blog world.

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          • But at some point don’t you have to use that GPR unit? It is buried, right? So, if you don’t know where to go to put that thing to use now, then how in the world will you know where to go after he is dead? Like I said, I’m so confused.

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          • Mike- “it will be there waiting when you arrive”.
            His funeral.
            The chest of gold to be picked up after his death as an inheritance.

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          • Bob these folks will probably advance you funds prior to your reciept of the treasure chest

            www.oasislegal.com/

            and by the way, congrats

            we should probably contact the other blogs and let them know this thing is over

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          • Yes, but a deal’s a deal, so the treasure is yours. Maybe you could get a loan against the poem and pay it back after you get the inheritance.

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        • Actually inthechaseto the fact that Dal banned me from his blog is a triumph. There’s more to that story. So in that regard it is working out quite well for me.

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          • Bob, thats an interesting theory. Something I had considered myself…the part about Forrest holding the treasure for the person who solves the puzzle.

            As to be banned from Dals blog, is that really a bad thing? All you are banned from is speaking your opinion. Everything on that blog and every other blog is just an opinion.

            Forrest found himself people willing to do his bidding. Just as he is using the press to advance his goal or message.

            So Bob since you are inheriting would you like to share what the message in the book is? I would really like to hear….

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  23. Mike:
    I believe that Forrest has a strong connection with a fictional character, and that may be the only hint here.But what character?Hmmm….

    Yosemite Sam He was always looking for the gold His mule was always standing on it

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  24. Bob: I won in court.

    In addition, I am the one who issued what Dal reported to be a “death threat” it’s hilarious. Would you like to read it?

    Yes, I would. You can email it to me, along with the judge’s ruling.

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  25. Bob:
    Chris- gee thanks ol buddy. Lol

    Bob Your G.P.R. conclusion has to many holes in it you better hope you have fresh batteries for it when you find it

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  26. inthechaseto:
    or a rabbit hol = hole den?

    Here is another one. Anagrams of Holden Caulfield: : Loaded niche full
    Unlace field hold, Unclad field hole, Call hounded life

    Probably not clues, but fun to play with anyway.

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  27. Liv: After a discussion with Steph, she enlightened me.
    It is her belief that Forrest would not want people giving away too much.
    She thinks that, and she never said that those were Forrest’s words.

    Well, it is my personal belief that Forrest wants us to devulge the entire solution if we want to. What does it matter? If the treasure is found it will be because SOMEBODY figured it out, and if this “somebody” wants to give it away to whomever can get there first that’s their right, just as much as it was Forrest’s right to hide it in the first place.

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  28. Mike:
    Not what Forrest would want? What? Is this a religion, or a treasure hunt?

    Mike,
    Just to make it clear, that’s what some people at chasechat are saying (same on Dal’s blog, posting dangerous intel is taboo).

    It’s not my point of view, that’s why I decided to come over here (to the dark side) and spill some beans. I want it found sooner rather than later, and since I’m not going to search for it anymore (I went only on one trip to Cimarron), I have nothing to loose 🙂
    I do have a special spot in mind, but I’m not letting that one go for know. Maybe I’ll find somebody to look at it, see if it’s there… but what are the chances?

    I prefer if it’s found by somebody relatively new to the chase, probably because my twisted sense of humor.
    I don’t think that looking in X number of places makes somebody an expert on solving this…

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    • “Taboo” implies some sort of moral “code of the chase” is being violated. I guess that’s what makes me different, and this blog different, I don’t believe that morality flows from Forrest Fenn, and do not seek his approval. This does not mean that I go out of my way to upset him or others, and personal attacks against him are not tolerated here. I believe he is a good man, and I respect him greatly for his service to our country, his entrepreneural spirit, and for creating this chase. But I believe that many have given up all hope of ever finding the treasure (about 20 trips ago) and fame with Forrest is the only “treasure” they will ever get out of this adventure, and so abiding by a perceived Fenn moral code is important to them for maintaining that connection. I am not one of them, my bridges have been burned (but not by me), and the only earthly treasure I seek is hidden somewhere in the Rockies.

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  29. FYI-
    from stanza 4 line 4-
    “just take the chest and go in peace”

    It doesn’t say treasure chest.
    It says chest.
    What chest?
    It is wrong to assume he meant treasure chest.

    Chest definition: a large strong box typically made of wood used for storage or shipping.

    Synonyms: box, case, casket, crate, coffer, strongbox

    The chest referenced by line 4 of the 4th stanza is the chest containing the GPR unit.

    Here again is a direct quote from FF posted by Chris Yates earlier today-
    ” I knew exactly where to hide the chest so it would be difficult to find but not impossible, it’s somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe.”

    Again, he doesn’t say treasure chest, it plainly says chest.

    I’m catching on to the architect aspect of the poem, carefully constructed, follow precisely.

    It is important to note when Fenn uses the words treasure and chest separately and when they are used together.

    FYI
    Your welcome.

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      • Mike- here’s more crazy for ya. Forrest talked about taking it with you when you die. There is a fellow here in Florida who did that. Otto Lightner was a collector like Fenn. He is buried on the grounds of the museum which houses his collections in St. Augustine, FL
        I think Fenn has the same idea, either a new building for his collection or a new wing added to the Buffal Bill historical center at Cody. And like Otto, he will be buried there.

        “take the chest and leave my bones”

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        • There are lots of stories out there, lots of opinions, lots of ideas. Lots of unspoken ideas also.

          I listen to them all and try and figure out where Forrest headed. You know he has stated that he is known to read 4 books at a time? Thats alot of ideas over a lifetime.

          I love all the ideas I have read here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Run with your ideas, find the edges. Nothing is impossible at this point.

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    • In the November 2nd video he says that the original poem read, “take the treasure chest and leave my bones”. So, your are saying that when he didn’t die he changed his mind and decided to hide a GPR unit there instead of the treasure?

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    • But in earlier versions of the poem he says that he did say “treasure chest”: “Just take the treasure chest and leave my bones”, so that indicates that he is likely refering to the treasure chest in that line instead of some other chest.

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    • Bob, taking that line letter by letter = just take the chest= chest= see hest. Lookup hest= a directive. so, “just take the directive”. and go in peace= and go put in peace gives you= p-a-g (start with peace first letter, first letter of and, first letter of go)= p-a-g-e-n-o-a-d-c-e= page no adce= page # add c+e, or page # a+d+c+e, or page (no a) d+c+e. conclusion of this line = just take the directive page # c+e . ( which is either 3,4,5,6,or 9) or could be page (no a) d+c+e . (which is probably 133). letter values of c & e could be different but I come out mostly being c=3, e=3. d always being 1. F.Y.I.

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  30. .
    www.ttotc.com/the-poem/stanza-1-2/#comment-32755

    “The letter groupings of

    ” I CAN KEEP MY SECRET WHERE”

    is suggestive of a positional code”
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    I believe the line “ I CAN KEEP MY SECRET WHERE” is unique in the poem, in supply a word letter count, where no numbers are repeated ( although there may be other similar type codes elsewhere ).

    The poem has so much in it, that it could give one the heebie jeebies.

    Along the path, as part of one coding, the poem contains instructions to “CHASER”.

    As to the positional coding example in the link above, the six-letter CHASER, is rearranged to

    CHASER
    CSHARE

    ,,,,,,,,,,,

    Good Luck,
    astree

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  31. If a butterfly is a flutterby (according to Forrest in the last chapter of his book) then why would we not expect a marvel gaze to be a gravel maze? Isn’t this also in keeping with Forrest’s tendency to “bend a little” with his words? The Rockies are full of things to gaze in marvel at, but how many gravel (or turf) mazes are there? One good thing about the idea of a turf maze, is that they typically lead to a very specific point at the center.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turf_maze

    Just a thought.

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    • I like the anagram stuff. a flutter by is a perfect anagram for butterfly because that’s what a butterfly does. A gravel maze doesn’t really have any relation to a marvel gaze.

      A better anagram for that line would be “turret waves crazy Batman light”.

      From both, you get a sense of urgency and Marvel and gaze.

      If it has anything to do with the Chase, I can’t be sure.

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      • disagree- gaze/watch. grave, bury easily could relate to treasure. If it is a clue to a location, then berm and gravel maze may be the location. Gravel maze could be a winding road. Berm could be the berm of the road. A berm is also a bank of a river or canal.

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        • Yup…bending, lots of imagination, but oh the variations are oh soooo many…then which ones to use for the solve and then to put your money on that solve for another trip and for a new search.

          3+ years, with people bending, and the Chest is still out there…or is it?

          I hope so 🙂

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        • I agree with you astree but you must look quickly down after doing that then be brave and in the wood and then repeat the process of tarry scant and marvel gaze to find the Chest;)

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          • .
            Amazing, azuredeb … it’s a reality check, and another reminder of how the generations have changed over these years. Today, I’d imagine not so many kids would have any idea what that type of work means.

            VG – looking quickly down reveals the marvel, then we skidaddle, then learn that the chest is covered – why people who are close don’t see it.

            astree

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    • That may be, but in my opinion Forrest was speaking about his love of children there. Wouldnt take that as a clue to change the poem around.
      When I was a child I also called them flutterbyes. lol. 🙂

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    • Another thought for tarry scant with marvel gaze – could be he is telling you don’t waste your time here, as beautiful as the scenery is, continue on.

      You could be on the right path – just not at the x-spot.

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    • I took the line as “scant with marble glaze”.
      B and V are allophones, therefore:
      marvel = marbel = marble

      I think that he has a marble headstone with the chest.
      He almost says it as an INNUENDO (the word is there) on the last page of TTOTC.

      If you read it, what jumps at you?
      The epitaph layout, that he wrote with “such profundity” (profound = deep = carved), and I bet it’s chiselled exactly as we see in the book.

      I think that’s why he did it in two trips.
      One with the chest, and one with the headstone.

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      • Liv- are you new around here? I don’t recognize that name Liv.
        Have you taken the pledge?
        No?
        Here.
        Place your right hand on this copy of The Thrill of The Chase.
        Good.
        Now cross fingers on your left hand and place it behind your back.
        Good.
        Now repeat after me.
        I, Liv do sullenly swear to tell half-truths, non-truths and the furthest thing from the truth so help me Fenn.
        Congratulations! Liv
        Welcome to Mikes blog!
        (applause)

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        • Well Bob,
          I cannot take the pledge; it’s too late for me. I already told whole truths so far, without crossed fingers behind my back, so I’m a lost cause I guess.

          I post also on Stephanie’s blog, but she would have none it, I mean people posting solves and whole truths.
          She said it’s not what Forrest would want, but I haven’t heard him saying that yet 🙂

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          • I beg to differ, in my opinion Forrest wrote 2 books with a message behind them. He said,” If I cannot enrich those with whom I interact each day and cause them to be better for having passed their view,then I have wasted my turn.”

            Does that sound like to anybody that he doesnt want us discussing his carefully crafted plan?

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          • I have to make a correction here, and a Mea Culpa.
            After a discussion with Steph, she enlightened me.
            It is her belief that Forrest would not want people giving away too much.
            She thinks that, and she never said that those were Forrest’s words.

            My commanding of the English language, is sorely lacking the understanding of subtlety.

            Guess I’ll never solve the poem 🙂
            Cheers.

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        • Deb,
          I think I’m onto something as well.

          Look at the page in TFTW and see what jumps at you.
          Of course, its again the epitaph laid out exactly as we see it carved in the photograph.
          Therefore this is a little hint telling us the same is true with his headstone.

          Of course, I realized it when I read TTOTC, and when I saw the pic in TFTW it just confirmed my theory.

          By the way, can someone tell me what’s with the feather in his hand? Is it supposed to mean anything?

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        • It’s only his headstone, laying on the ground and probably the chest underneath. Not a definition of a graveyard by any stretch, especially since his body is not there.

          It would lay like the one of the French soldier that he stumbled upon. Remember that HE ARRANGED BACK THE WAY HE FOUND IT.
          The headstone is very unassuming on the exposed side, looking like a regular dark rock (tarry), but glazed and carved with his epitaph on the hidden side.

          One more thing, it could be in a tall grass patch, and here’s why.
          In the “gypsy magic” chapter, he says that (quoting from memory) “by pushing the TALL GRASS aside I could really look up close.”
          In “the war for me” chapter he pushed the TALL GRASS aside to see the headstone, and a few pages later he says “Only the TALL GRASS knows”.

          Did I say too much? 🙂

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          • You are exactly right Liv. That is why I was so excited when I found the rock that looked like a tombstone. This is his way of finishing the deal or having closure because he was disappointed he had to leave so quickly after finding the soldier’s grave. The only thing I might add is that it could be a sandstone slab (words he uses in My Spanish Toy Factory). Lighter weight and easier to inscribe than marble.

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      • Liv, I like your idea. He mentions grave markers, headstones and marble several times, and in my searches I keep an eye out for flat rocks (scant), but I have never considered that he may have brought one with him. It would also allow for him to bury the treasure shallow but yet still have protection from metal detectors, which we know he has considered when burying his bells.

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  32. azuredeb:
    I had a thought, maybe you look quickly down to see if anyone is watching you? Meaning its not low but higher up….

    I believe the sequence is look sideways, down, the up.

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  33. Musstag:
    One other thing, the reporter was talking about clues and ff said” and it mentions WOOD”so maybe I’m wrong about the pep talk. ff also said the placewassecert, a dear place and private.

    heres that post……. forward video to 6:01:
    > youtu.be/ipvIGaVt7C8
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    • new thoughts about look quickly down. Just watched a video posted a day or so ago in the chase section, and FF said just think how thrilling it would be 2000 years from now to put that chest in the Smithsion with all its contents for every one to see “Its just Like he said” .. OOOOO KKKKK he wants this thing to stay out there, ITS Buryed, now i;m sure after all he buried the bells 3 foot deep. This chest may only be a foot or so deep, but ITS BURIED!!! Look quickly down…. I was thinking standing ther on the flat ground how do you look quickly down,,,, Dig silly DIG! or wait and let 2 million years of wind blow away the dirt. I bet Its covered up in some way.

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      • One other thing, the reporter was talking about clues and ff said ” and it mentions WOOD” so maybe I’m wrong about the pep talk. ff also said the place was secert, a dear place and private.

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  34. I’m back in share mode again today so i figured i’d give what i think could be a possible blaze. I’m curious to see if anyone else picked up the trail.
    9 miles east of Lincoln, Mt. is Lewis & Clark Pass, the only roadless pass on the L&C Trail. It’s about a mile and a half hike to get to the summit. It happens to be the only place on the L&C Trail that you may encounter a grizzly bear today. The presence of grizzly bear scat on the summit of the pass attest to their continued presence .
    The travois furrows are there but to see them you have to wait for the sun to cast shadows and then crouch down and look along the surface of the earth to find evidence of the ancient trails that have been used for centuries.

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  35. Musstag:
    I think the last TWO Stanzasare a PEP Talk, like a Coach telling you to keep at it, don’t give up whenfaced with despair, Go Get ‘em guys!!You have to be out there to get the GOLD!!!

    I agree, sort of. IMO, the last two stanzas have no clues that lead to the treasure. The entire trail to the treasure is in stanzas 2, 3, and 4. By the end of stanza 4, the treasure’s location should be known. Chris Yates had the correct idea but in a different way than I see it. Stanza 2 is the beginning of the trail and it takes you to the middle of the trail which is stanza 3, which gives you no specific directions, but describes what you see and takes you to the end of the trail in stanza 4. Some people seem perplexed that the end of the trail would be in the middle of the poem. I’m not sure why. I believe that stanzas 1,5,6 were part of the original poem when he planned to be entombed with the treasure. The middle stanzas were rewritten when the plan changed and a new hiding spot was chosen.

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  36. Becky from WV:
    azuredeb – So you end at heavy loads & water high? Is that where you think it means to look quickly down? If the blaze is not physical, how do you know where to look down for the chest?

    That depends on where your blaze takes you. I cant tell you exactly where it takes me,because that gives everything away. You see my solve is also completely different than what anyone else has talked about. I will say mine is an area others have searched before. It fits the clues too well to just give it up.
    Everyone has to figure out how the clues work for them.The statement Zelda made fits in with where my search is. Some of her other statements make me think we are on similar paths, just not sure about same location.

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  37. In my opinion the blaze is not a tangible object. I have been working on writing up my searches. In each solve, I had an idea of what the blaze could be. I did, however, basically go with the premise that one has to be on the site to identify the blaze. I now think I am wrong. I think the path or trail is the blaze and it is in the poem. As some of you know, I am a poem purist. Any feedback?

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    • Zelda, my thoughts on the blaze are…
      If you’ve been wise and found this trail marker, see rapids below, yor search is over, it’s near a pullout, just take the chest and go in peace.
      On all four of my searches I looked for a sign that said see or view rapids below. I never found one and of course no treasure. I hope this helps someone. In my opinion, the blaze is this trail marker.. Look=see, quickly=rapids, down=below.

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    • Zeldasings I think you are very much on the rite path in your thinking. Well said on the trail or blaze theory . Stick to your intuition .

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    • Yes Zelda I think you are right, the blaze was the path of he took to write the poem which in turn leads to the treasure. He blazed the trail.

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      • azuredeb – So you end at heavy loads & water high? Is that where you think it means to look quickly down? If the blaze is not physical, how do you know where to look down for the chest?

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        • Becky from WV..
          Good point, I am going to require some time to think about what you said. If one looks at the poem as a set of literal directions, then yes, it may seem likely that there is a place where ff means look down now and get T.C. Although, when one looks at it within the realm of the double entendre, hidden meaning, and all the other ways in which we diversely look at the poem; one may chose to disallow the blaze as a tangible object. Hmmmmm, as I said, I have to consider your comment. I’ll get back to you. I am enjoying this discussion.

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        • Oh forgot to mention multiple dimensions in time plays into this. The problem with everyones solves is they are taking everything so literal. For them a blaze is cut into a tree, or carved in a rock, they forget about figuring out how Forrest sees the world.He gives us everything we need to solve this.

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        • Well, I feel in sharing mode lately, so here is a little riddle.

          Don’t you know where to look down?
          Read the poem, the answer is right there in front of your eyes 😉

          Got it?

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          • Josh, my take is:
            Look quickly down on the page in front of you.

            That means, look at the next verse of the poem (quickly), there “your Q is to seize”.
            And the next line cue, as I proposed before, is the “scant with marble glaze”.

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    • I have always thought the blaze is a marker in the poem. On a trail a blaze is something that appears above the trail at eye level marking the way to go. In the poem, I believe the blaze is the line above each clue. Perhaps holding the letters to the clues answer, like an anagram or a game of boggle where you find the words jumbled up.

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    • Another Blaze thought is … you don’t have to GO TO the Blaze, you’ve FOUND it, doesn’t mean you are AT it. maybe even just seeing it from a Distance, maybe even miles away….

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    • Excellent IDEA!!! the poems path being the blaze! Now whats a special place…. I can think if it were me, I would have several special places, from several periods of my life, (i’m 70) so it may be childhood times or life in NM before that day in 1988. I have grown fond of some of my more recent memories and places…as well as childhood memories… just ideas from an old man…

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  38. Found this bit of info to be interesting while studying Folk etymology.
    The French word savior “to know” was formerly spelled scavior on the false belief it was derived from Latin scire “to know”. In fact it comes from sapere “to be wise”.

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    • .

      As previously posted, “in the wood” could be “sap” .. and there are other good reasons to know, that “sap” is likely indicated directly in the poem (without mentioning here)

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      translate.google.com/#la/en/sap

      ” in the wood ” – sap

      dupe .. sap

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,

      Because he has mentioned ” ton o’ fooe(y) water” in relations to “up your creek” and I seem to have seen a comment of his as “banked it”,

      leaves me a bit perplexed.

      astree

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      • I think the last TWO Stanzas are a PEP Talk, like a Coach telling you to keep at it, don’t give up when faced with despair, Go Get ’em guys!! You have to be out there to get the GOLD!!!

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  39. On my first search I went to the blaze. Without revealing too much, it is an extremely strong blaze, actually one of 3 at the location, one leading to the next, then to the next, which makes sense to me because you would need more than one blaze to make a trail to follow. My first interpretation of look down was downstream. That search turn up nothing. Then down hill, still nothing. Then, standing at the blaze, I looked straight down. All areas were searched with a metal detector and soil probes. No treasure, but I saw my two feet and my shadow. Could that be a clue? Why does he say look “quickly down” rather than “carefully down”? My wife pointed out that “quickly down” would imply that you are not looking for the treasure but maybe something else. Is two feet a measurement you need or maybe you have to use your two feet to follow your shadow or some other shadow for your quest to cease? Any ideas on his use of “quickly down” as a clue? Remember, “the Shadow knows”.

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  40. Line 14 9th letter k
    line 13 9th letter e
    line 12 9th letter y

    1 of 2 or 7 keys contained in the poem. This connects the 3rd and 4th stanzas. A second “9” clue in the poem.

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  41. If you;ve been wise and found the blaze…. been wise, you recently or just passed something to do with wise (Thor’s or Mimir;s ‘well’ of wisdom, hot eye) – found the blaze… found….found not see, ITS NOT easy to find, so you need to have some idea of what to look for, your location that you are trying to prove or dis-prove should give you some idea of the type thing to look for..

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  42. I find that the poem is written in multiple dimensions in time and space, one of those being Fenn on a journey to the destination where he hid the treasure. Once the poem has been figured out and you have arrived at the destination of the hiding spot, this stanza tells you where the treasure is.

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    • Yes armany Thursday lines have multiple meanings…in my opinion. Even a few words within the Poem have multiple meanings such as COLD.

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  43. “But tarry scant with marvel gaze” bugs the hockey sticks out of me. Those words, that phrasing, is so inaccessible. Everything else he writes with words easy to parse for maximum readability. But this phrase just stinks. Not as in it’s bad, it’s actually pretty good, just out of character.

    Is it something sticky or that pours slowly or does it have to do with a road? Did he actually mean scent, and we need to use our noses? Something something Marvel Superheroes? Perhaps we will need gauze because we scraped a knee?

    I desperately want to know its meaning. I fear it could be just clever wordplay included because he liked the sound of it. Kinda like songs that have “uh huh” and “oh yeah” just to keep the meter squared up.

    I have twisted this line into cheese and frustrated I now disregard it completely.

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    • “Hockey Sticks”, huh? That’s pretty funny. Don’t give up on it tomwhat! Keep searching… I think I have figured out this line, but won’t know for certain until I get out there.

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      • Tomwhat,
        This is an old post about BTSWMG that I stumbled upon, but I wonder if you’ve come to terms with it?

        I feel the opposite of you- I’ve put less effort and concern into this line than virtually every line in the poem. Not deliberately, of course, but just based upon the nature of my clue solutions.

        Tarry scant does not vex me. But I believe that marvel gaze is an important suggestion about the nature of your blaze, assuming that it is critical to the nature of your TC hiding place.

        SYand42lbsHeavier,
        Halogetter

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  44. A blazr is a trail marker that allows a person to follow a marked path. Since we are following clues in a poem, I believe, the blaze refers to a method of recognizing and solving each clue.

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  45. Ok so he is basically saying that the blaze is difficult to see, find, or figure out for you have to be not smart but WISE!

    OR

    Could he be giving us the region and be as simple as this:
    WISE = (W)(i)(s)consin
    WI = Y for Yellowstone then SE = South East/Entrance Yellowstone

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    • I don’t believe any of the clues in the poem help you find the blaze. I think, for the moment, that the clues to finding the blaze (which could be buried) are found in the book.

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      • I believe I know where to find my blaze in my search in June and to help you with a hint I come up with a tree life span is about 300 years and Forrest says that it can be there for 2000 years so it can’t be in a tree. I found a blaze but it’s a matter of time when it was and that would be a reference point and the look down in a stream that has been there for far more time

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