Poem 4:1

If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,

450 thoughts on “Poem 4:1

  1. Lisa Cesari:
    Homer Simpson – And Forrest’s extended right thumb is in that meadow right below my spot as well, marked by where Forest Creek meets Cabin Creek. And there are even a pair of size proportional ears to my face across the meadow. Hear me all and listen good…

    My imaginings include Forest flying in his Piper plane, circling this area to land at West Yellowstone Airport. All part of his planning process, and the “marvel gaze” in the Poem.

    What about the Unicorn?
    Do you turn left or right there?
    I follow you. I just don’t get how ROY-G-BIV can be divided that way. I come up with a different heading.

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  2. Along the way in my journey – I always wondered what the actual BLAZE really is. Sure there was a saddle in a mountain – there were markers – there were other things – but how would I REALLY know. Then it dawned on me that the blaze is the paper work in front of me. Until today – I had not seen this question and answer on Jenny’s wonderful site………..here it is………

    The Weekly Words for April 29th, 2016 are as follows and combines with the following Featured Question:

    Mr. Fenn,

    Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

    I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

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    • You might be on to something. But I always felt like the paper work was an adventure. But if it is also the blaze we would have to look down on adventure wouldnt we? And if we catch our paperwork on fire then how will we ever find the chest? And if we never find the chest then there is no reason for the paper work. Hmm… is that circular reasoning? I’m confused, maybe I’m arguing my point in the wrong place.

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    • inthechaseto:
      Along the way in my journey – I always wondered what the actual BLAZE really is.Sure there was a saddle in a mountain – there were markers – there were other things – but how would I REALLY know.Then it dawned on me that the blaze is the paper work in front of me.Until today – I had not seen this question and answer on Jenny’s wonderful site………..here it is………

      The Weekly Words for April 29th, 2016 are as follows and combines with the following Featured Question:

      Mr. Fenn,

      Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

      I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

      inthechaseto:
      Along the way in my journey – I always wondered what the actual BLAZE really is.Sure there was a saddle in a mountain – there were markers – there were other things – but how would I REALLY know.Then it dawned on me that the blaze is the paper work in front of me.Until today – I had not seen this question and answer on Jenny’s wonderful site………..here it is………

      The Weekly Words for April 29th, 2016 are as follows and combines with the following Featured Question:

      Mr. Fenn,

      Which direction does the Blaze face? North, South, East or West? Curious. Foxy

      I didn’t take a radial off of the blaze Foxy. I’m thinking it may not be any of those directions. f

      Let’s say the blaze is an eye. It would face out into outer space. It is round and therefore has no direction, but it does have a radius.

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        • Good for you!
          Now is your face a horse?

          Halt is “lame”
          Nigh is left side of a horse
          Meek is a spirited bridaled horse
          Blaze is a spot on a horse or a common horse name.
          Find the “chest” of the horse and take it to “the place of peace”

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          • Nigh is the horse to the extreme left in a team of horses. Meek is a fossil. Remember, Forrest is an Archeologist.

            Both pertain to my solve……Entering the town of Red River, New Mexico there is a sign that says “End”….”The end is ever drawing nigh”….on your immediate LEFT of the sign are the Red River horse stables.

            Meek….there are meek location records east of the Red River area but not West …..”No place for the Meek”

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        • Homer Simpson – Forrest could see this “face” from where Donnie took his picture as he sat on Lightning the horse, who had that white “word that is key”-hole blaze on his forehead. The blazeI speak of was shown in that photo behind Forrest’s left leg, on Lightning’s nigh side.

          www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=44.8923&lon=-111.2842&z=15

          And Isn’t it nice that Forrest has his own name running along the left side of his cheek on this topo map? They just need to add an R to it:

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          • Use just the poem.
            If you have found the blaze, you would also know what water high is, and WWWH as well as HOB.
            All that poking around in the books is there to confirm you were in the correct place, after the fact, and will do little good in actually finding TC.

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          • Homer Simpson – Yes. I found my location by imagining Forrest creating and following the Poem in the West.Yellowstone area, where he spent every joyous Summer in nature growing up. The first version of the Poem, when he planmed.to go “alone in there” to die. And then I.found the Looking for Lewis & Clark story on his blog to confirm my solution. I do not have any of the books.

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          • Lisa Cesari:
            Homer Simpson – Yes. I found my location by imagining Forrest creating and following the Poem in the West.Yellowstone area, where he spent every joyous Summer in nature growing up.The first version of the Poem, when he planmed.to go “alone in there” to die. And then I.found the Looking for Lewis & Clark story on his blog to confirm my solution. I do not have any of the books.

            “Worth” is to equally divide.
            What number did you come up with here?

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          • Homer Simpson – If you change this map to satellite view, you will see another one of my blazes, which I call my Double Omega Island, or my 360 Degree Rainbow.:

            www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=44.9003&lon=-111.2972&z=18

            Forrest said we need to find the end of his rainbow, and the treasure, right? I think it is “worth the cold”.to divide that rainbow at 42 degrees from the trail approach, and go across both Double Omega creeks and up the hill to what.I think is Forrest’s chosen final resting place, which is also “quickly down” from my.hillside blaze.

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          • Homer Simpson – And Forrest’s extended right thumb is in that meadow right below my spot as well, marked by where Forest Creek meets Cabin Creek. And there are even a pair of size proportional ears to my face across the meadow. Hear me all and listen good…

            My imaginings include Forest flying in his Piper plane, circling this area to land at West Yellowstone Airport. All part of his planning process, and the “marvel gaze” in the Poem.

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          • Lisa – can you tell me what the red lines on your topo map means – and why they are numbered like they are?

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          • In the Chase- If you are referring to the red lines that make squares, those are section lines. Section lines are for surveying. each section (red square) represents one square mile or 640 acres. There are 36 sections in a township and sections are laid out from right to left starting in the north east corner to create a 6 square mile township. The other red lines are boundaries to something or roads which are both marked.

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          • There’s a whole lot of square miles out there to search and each one has 27,878,400sq feet in it. That’s depressing if you think about it……….

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          • Well – that’s true if you look at it that way. I think he gave us a way to narrow it down – and especially when he said you will not stumble on it. It’s my opinion it can be found with coordinates….best of luck to you . and have fun.

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  4. Something is not quite right with this quote…………

    Dateline from 2014 and Dal is talking in that video about a question that the producer of the video had asked Forrest. According to Dal Forrest responded that a blaze COULD BE white and went on to mention many different things a blaze could be with the color white.’

    Why just not say it’s white…….odd.

    It (the blaze) could be white…….it either is or it isn’t right? So, this means to me the blaze COULD BE ANY COLOR.

    Possibly it could change colors…..what changes colors?

    The back ground of your computer could certainly change colors. You could use different color paper to write on…..

    I truly think the blaze is the grand finale’ of what you have put together on paper. It is only on paper that I discovered many things.

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      • JC –

        Actually my thoughts on the subject go deeper.

        I kept thinking – how will I know for sure – he said you will go with certainty. He had to “put in” a way you would know for sure.

        And my numbers were not adding up – some what but not completely. I thought I had it right and re-checked everything.

        Then I went back to the poem – what comes after this – look quickly down. What if the paperwork is the blaze – Why do I have to look quickly down…maybe I look at my paper work………….and then I found it.

        The palindrome.

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      • that’s wonderful Bob –

        Sure you’re OK – my feet don’t change color. LOL

        btw Bob – RE: Nancy-Carroll Draper – have you read the book “Heaven High and Hell Deep” ?

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        • intherusetoo- iff you are a black person, your feet are very dark. if you are an oriental chances are your feet are very light. make sense now? the color of the blaze (feet) changes with ethnicity.
          or, what color shoes you happen to be wearing that day you go searching. the color of Harold McCrackens feet do not change.

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  5. i had a efif…a ephifi…a dumm idea last night….if the blaze (trail marker) is a look quickly down, it could be a sign on a path that says “watch your step”.

    huh? is that a good one!
    maybe not so dumb.

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    • Bob –

      Third place behind you and Gey ? That would be a trip – we could still have a party at least. But no darlin, close is only good in hand grenades and horseshoes.

      Gey – that was funny about Lummi Island and Dal – what an idea someone had – mayor of the internet city – wonder if it’s working – 50/50 split would not work for me.

      HI back at ya.

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      • Hmm a trip… Well I have come across some crazy stuff on the internet.

        Some of the lines in the Poem solved by me was to smoke a good bowl Sour Diesel. I can just see a reporters face.

        Got to love Colorado.

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    • Geydelkon- i read the application for online mayor of Lummi Island. doesnt make any sense to me. any time you go online for anything is because you dont/cant/want to do so in person. am i right? of course i am!
      so, whoever in Lummi Island city council decided to seek an online mayor is a whacko. in the application it states that you must be a resident! why? if im an online mayor, i dont even have to be in the united states! i dont even have to be a real person. anyone in the world could mayor Lummi Island. they would need an effigy for parades though.

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  6. the blaze-
    asterisk: a star shaped character (*) used in printing or writing to indicate a cross-reference to a footnote, an omission, etc.

    latin: asteriscus- a small star
    greek: asteriskos- from aster, star

    Forrest used an asterisk in TTOTC to indicate the entire book is the footnote. footnotes are at the bottom of a page (look quickly down).
    the blaze then, is feet. as there are many references to feet within the stories as indicated by the asterisk.

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    • Gee Whiz Bob

      May wonders never cease…….

      I agree with you that the asterisk – is that the book is to be used as a footnote. Happy Day.

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      • ok Into, you can see where i’m going with this. now notice in the book TTOTC, all the references to feet, socks, shoes. and the missing feet in the photos we discussed before.
        look quickly down- to footnotes, feet. the blaze.
        feet mark the trail with footprints, the blaze again. and it’s feet you will find at the display in the museum which houses the chest. right next to it. the feet of a mannikin, harold mccracken.
        step on a crack.

        geydelkon has the photo at titletothegold.com

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        • Yep Bob –

          Why do you think I am Dancing around the room every time I find a clue ?

          FEET is probably one of the most used things in all the scrapbooks – remember the slippers? Remember Deb – with Dr Shoe? And feet is how altitude is measured. And then he used – chains – well, if your area does not have a chain or two hanging around – maybe it’s not the right spot.

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  7. the blaze is feet.
    Mike! the image at the top has a blanket covering the legs and feet of each individual. much like many photos in TTOTC. looks like mike had a hunch a long time ago.

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      • I gotta HAND it to you, Bob. You sure know your feet. (chuckle, chuckle, snort)

        You have a lot of imagination, too. I’ll hand you that as well.

        You’re a handy guy who just might solve this riddle handily.

        Now you just need to find the EXACT spot where Forrest was standing when he took that picture…and tell me where it is!

        The angle of the sun should help identify it.

        Let me know when you’ve found it and I’ll be happy to check it out for you.

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        • JC1117 & Bob, interesting observation on feet cut off. And how about the dismembered legs in a few illustrations… perhaps a reference to “Nehi” soda caps? I’ve been having fun looking at the rebus puzzles which look like the hats worn in ‘guys at campfire illustration.’ There sure are plenty of arms and randy, handy hands.

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    • In 1598 the first Spanish settlement was established on the Rio Grande River by Juan de Onate; in 1610 Santa Fe was founded and made the capital of New Mexico. The U.S. acquired most of New Mexico in 1848, as a result of the Mexican War, and the remainder in the 1853 Gadsden Purchase.

      The following story is important, and should be read. I posted my theory that this is important to solving Our Chase some time ago, either on here or some other FF discussion group’s chat forum. Anyway, check it out…pages.ucsd.edu/~rfrank/class_web/ES-112A/Onate.html

      The petroglyph in this picture is also important. More precisely, it’s location is important me thinks….

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  8. Not to burst anyones bubble but FF said that when the treasure is found, everyone who did not find it is gonna say “Why didn’t I think of that?”

    How do these extremely complex solves fit with this statement? If an overly complex solve is what it takes to find the treasure and it is throughly explained by the finder, similar to what is being discussed here, I certainly will not say ‘why didn’t I think of that’…am would say something like ‘I never would have gotten that in one million years…think about it…

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  9. Lots of speculation about why the first clue is necessary over a Jenny’s so here is my penny or five cents; there are two possible qualities of the blaze that I believe can make sense of what Mr. Fenn said:
    1) The blaze is obvious but displaced from the treasure location ( viewed remotely from the treasure location to find it). Because the treasure is displaced, it can’t be reverse engineered because the blaze is not part of the contiguous nine clues, thus it is imperative to find the first clue and follow the clues in order to get to the treasure location.
    2) The blaze is not obvious and in fact it can only be found upon arrival, thus one needs to find the first clue and follow the contiguous clues in consecutive order to arrive at the correct location to find the blaze.
    The Wolf

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    • The Wolf – Excellent post! Your reasoning is perfect for my Better-than-yours-Wise Blaze,…but then there are the several OTHER blazes,…that form concentric circles,…that are visible from the widshield and pilot side window of Forrest’s Piper Malibu plane (like those darts the little boy threw,…in that “A Big Ball of String” book),…or from Google Earth.

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  10. Everyone – On potential “blazes”:

    E on April 26, 2015 at 6:11 am said:
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    Chris – I believe there are “blazes” also,…located in concentric circles,…gradually pulling you inward,…to THE BLAZE,…in the vicinity of the Bronze Chest. You wrote:

    dalneitzel.com/2014/08/26/blaze/#comment-85555

    “My OPINION is that Hammer is correct. The Blaze, as seen from Google Earth, will tell you that you are close. In my opinion there are three more blazes when boots are on the ground. I feel I must say this though. What I believe or think is probably wrong. Only FF knows.”

    I was inspired by a page from this book, “A Big Ball of String”,…which shows the little boy,…who is sick in bed,…using his ball of string to attach to darts he is throwing at the wall,…and then pulling them back (@1:12):

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTFCrH2VY78

    There is no dartboard,…but I imagined one. The outermost rings can be seen from Forrest’s plane (and Google Earth),…while the innermost rings,…and the bullseye blaze,…can be seen only while having boots on the ground. IMO!

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    • My take on the blaze i very simple , when Becky asked that question on Jenny’s website ” can the blaze be predetermined by the poem or can it only be determined at the search area” Forrest replied “your a rascal to ask that question”. My take on this is how can he answer a question like that if, lets say the blaze is an X, if he says yes he just misled the searchers because there is no X in the poem if he says no well so much for the poem being all you need, because without knowing what the blaze is you cannot go precisely to the chest.
      Also in stanza 4 all letters of the alphabet are used except for the letter X, now look quickly down at your keyboard 🙂 i have noticed in verse 2 of stanza 4 the first nine letters in the qwerty row are used in that verse, there might be a clue right at our fingertips.

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          • anna – Thank you. I really appreciate hearing that right now. 🙂

            And as for those s’s,…did you ever watch that show with Bear Grylls,…where teams compete to survive the tests he gives them?:

            www.nbc.com/get-out-alive

            There was one where he gave them a hand drawn map with symbols for landmarks, etc.,…like a series of pictagrams,…that they needed to follow. I think they corresponded to those symbols used on topo maps,…but I’m not sure. I think I remember the river being an “S” though.

            And in that movie, “Dragonfly”,…with Kevin Costner,…a waterfall was kind of a wavy cross (which he finally discovered on a map, when he was making a plan to go river rafting).

            I have since wondered if this has significance to solving The Poem…

            And I call King’s X on having Bear Grylls as my search buddy,…I called it! 🙂

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          • 49 dollers – When Forrest wrote, “You’re a rascal to ask tht question”,…that made me think of Jesse James,…and that blaze he used,…formed by placing two J’s,…back to back. Do you think Forrest might be alluding to the blaze being two F’s?

            And Forrest may need to make another trip out to my/his spot soon,…to bury several more jars of honey. The Grizz’s job as sentinel just got a lot more challenging.

            And if I were following that other Bear’s symbol map,…and following the Z on it,…I think I might end up Zigging instead of Zagging. 🙂

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          • Yes and he chose not to answer that question but yet he sent it to Jenny to post , a hint in a non answer, tricky. if we place two F;s back to back i wonder what channels we might get, or whose conversation we might hear.

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          • 49 dollers – At the end of that “Dragonfly” movie trailer:

            “Open your mind,…Follow your heart.”

            I couldn’t agree more…

            And didn’t that DRAGONFLY look like two F’s,…placed back to back? 🙂

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      • 49dollers- I don’t think your keyboard theory works and here’s why; Forrest Fenn said that all you need is the poem to find the treasure. He did not say that you also needed to have a computer or typewriter, or anything with a qwerty type keyboard. Just my two cents. Good luck. 🙂

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    • Everyone – I think david has found that bullseye BLAZE!:

      david – I think you are BRILLIANT!:

      dalneitzel.com/2015/05/01/forrest-replies-reporter/#comment-86960

      david villarreal
      on May 5, 2015 at 9:09 am said:
      Its really cut and dry to unlock a poem. It take one key. In order to find the key. You need to open your heart to search forrest heart. The key is located in his heart. Once you know the what the key is. You can decipher the poem and the poem becomes a map.

      But me thinks thou knowest not what thou sayest. 🙂

      And I think Forrest said that the Bronze Chest is unlocked,…and that the key is inside it.

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        • decall – Just an idea,…but what if there are mirror locations,…for the same solve idea,..for Forrest’s Poem,…in Montana AND in New Mexico? Or maybe even in ALL FOUR states? And then Forrest decided,…while he was out and about,…which one he REALLY loved?

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          • E* you’re way too smart 5me to say anything. .. and you’ve said your style of play. .. where the heart of ff longs to be. .. IT doesn’t need the other 2 states, it’s rough when there are so few on my level

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          • decall – I think I got your “5Me” reference,…is it because E is the 5th letter of the alphabet???

            And my “style of play” mimmicks Forrest’s,…because he decided to give it all away,…and so have I! 🙂

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          • decall – And sometimes Forrest can’t spell, either (or chooses not to!). Correction: mimics.

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          • * for me… just a typo. .. i mean it when I say you are too smart. I can’t tell you anything.

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          • hey- if you know what im talking about does the spelling really matter? no, it does not. lots of people dont know what they’re talking about and spell perfectly. see what i mean?

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          • Hi E* sorry that I missed all the fun today. I’m having trouble with the 4.1 thread freezing my ipad, and I worked seriously on solutions to ‘my rainbow grizzly solution.’ (yes, Brutus is donning a rainbow tutu; he’s smarter than the avverage bear Boo Boo.)

            Regarding mirror images, guessing Forrest can recall every mountain top, canyon down and river he’s flown over; has them catalogued inSide his brain with names and history. Inside f’s heart grizzly bears dance to cello music while butterflies land on their noses. Inside f’s mind l can only imagine… (here is one corner of his brain)
            brainden.com/art-illusions.htm

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          • lia – I totally LOVED that link with the art images,…thank you! 🙂

            And I am having trouble with this 4:1 thread also,…so I can’t read and respond until I have another computer to use besides my laptop. Maybe we can talk about the line:

            “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

            Over on Poem 1:3?:

            “I can keep my secret where”

            No one will be ever to find us over there. 😉

            And this is Brutus asking you,…if the pink tutu he is wearing,…after NOT finding the Bronze Chest,…makes him look fat?:

            drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-10/B8HDqMGW1y-2.png

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        • decall- i saw that wagon in an old movie…….

          PROFESSOR FENN
          Acclaimed by the Crowned Heads of Europe
          let him read your PAST-PRESENT-FUTURE
          also: puzzles, fine art

          (professor fenn steps from wagon to find Stephanie and Dal)
          FENN: “well, well, well…house guests eh? And who might you be? No,no dont tell me….lets see…you’re travelling in disguise. no, thats not right. I, uh, you’re going on a visit! No, wait im wrong… that’s it! you’re searching for treasure!”

          Stephanie: “How did you guess?’

          Fenn: “Professor Fenn never guesses! He knows!”

          (Dal steals a hot dog from Fenn’s dinner)
          Stephanie: “NO! Dal we havent been asked yet!”

          Fenn: “That’s quite all right…now where were we? OH yes,yes you are searching for treasure!”

          Stephanie: “That’s right, a bronze box of gold.”

          Fenn: “Oh i’m quite familiar with this (ahem) bronze box of gold…. now. ..isn’t there a home of Brown involved somehow?”

          Stephanie: “Why yes! there is! we are to put in below it!”

          Fenn: “and, now tell me… isn’t your auntie Em’s last name…Brown? uh, Emily Brown perhaps?

          Stephanie: “yes it is…oh wait, are you trying to tell me that my treasure is at home…and that running away will only make Dal eat more hot dogs?’

          Fenn: “perhaps i am child.”

          (Dal belches, takes another hot dog)

          then a tornado comes.

          yep, thats the wagon alright.

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          • Bob, you could write for HOD. Maybe finish finding Carl…
            Are you planning any searches? Looking in MT?

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          • Decall- i could write for HOD, if i knew what it was maybe. no, no searches planned any time soon but you never know when the mood might hit me. Montana? maybe, again depends on my mood. im moody. always have been. and hey! Decall, you could be in Geico commercials.

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          • bob – And then Stephanie and Dal opened a hot dog stand,…right there,…and started selling t-shirts,…so Professor Fenn would REALLY know who the searchers are,…on The Chase! And so Professor Fenn would have something left to eat for his dinner.

            And then Diggin’ Gypsy came out of HER wagon,…onto the steps,…holding her Crystal Ball on high (vs. doing the usual “look quickly down” thing),…and said, “I give you title to the gold”! And then she went back inside and slammed the door.

            And the sign on that door read:

            Diggin’ Gypsies Only!
            No Grizzes Allowed!
            F.F. – You can lay underneath,…and watch me and my friends, the Grizzes, dance around the fire,…ONLY if you are nice! 🙂

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          • E- ya know, its funny i really dont remember that part of the movie. sure, its been a long time since ive seen it but after the tornado, its mostly about Stephanie and Dal as i recall. Professor Fenn reappears at the end, when the curtain is pulled back by Dal. and Stephanie scolds him for fooling everyone. but then, Professor Fenn makes everything allright. and its a happy ending. I think that digging gypsy might be a different movie. but im not sure, like i said it’s been a long time.

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          • E- i am truly amazed. you are the best researcher. Stephanie and Dal were searching West Yellowstone the very day of that tornado. i think they opened the hot dog stand with the money they made from the movie. nobody knows whatever became of Professor Fenn, faded into oblivion probably.

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          • bob – Correction: Aunty Em appears,…at the “home of Brown”,…in the Crystal Ball @ 2:25 in that video.

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          • E- yes i saw that, its sad. i hated that witch for making Stephanie cry. and when Dal escapes she says “run and weigh! run and weigh!” i guess she is concerned about his weight gain from eating so many hot dogs? but he still runs pretty fast.

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          • bob – Yes,…he runs pretty fast,…or so he just said,…on his blog:

            dal on May 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm said:

            dalneitzel.com/2015/05/06/mail07/#comment-87186

            Desertphile-
            I am 67. I don’t have any more brief fits of reproductive fitness. Such a thing could give me a heart attack…or cause my hair to fall out. But I can still run.

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          • bob – And Stephanie should have just kicked over that giant hour glass,…filled with pink sand,…to stop time,…don’t you think? But she is not Professor Marvel (aka Professor Fenn),…so she didn’t think of that, did she?

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    • E- the blisters on FF face are on the side Dal is standing. Are you implying that Dal is the blaze? That his name pronounced dale is the valley in which we are to look quickly down? Ya know, like hill and dale. That Dal’s travels mark the trail to the treasure?
      It could be that simple. But I hope not.

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        • E,E, take a break. This the season to be jolly. Join me in a Christmas carol won’t you?

          Key of E

          Sing now….
          Said the old man to the searchers all
          “Do you see what I see?
          Right there on the wall, the shower stall,
          Do you see what I see?
          A face, a face, staring back at me
          With a look giving me a chill
          With a look giving me a chill.”

          Said Dal to Forrest Fenn
          “Do you hear what I hear?
          Ringing through the sky, Forrest Fenn
          Do you hear what I hear?
          A song, a song right here on this blog.
          (Forrest) what, what did you say?
          My batteries are dead, Dal whatever did you say?”

          Said Dal to mighty Forr-est,
          “Do you know what I know?
          In your palace walls, mighty Fenn,
          Do you know what I know?
          A king, a king shivers in the shower.
          Because he didn’t pay electric bill,
          Not the faces on the wall!”

          Said old Fenn to every-one,
          “Listen to what I say!
          Pray for clues, people everywhere
          Listen to what I say!
          The child, the child, working on the poem.
          He will bring us closer than ever before!
          Closer than ever before.

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    • Bob – You mentioned Forrest’s Scrapbook 115,…over on Blog Buzz,..but I am responding here,…to draw attention to the FACT,…that Forrest is adept with Photoshop (See: my posted photo with the “blisters” above,…from Forrest’s blog,…and the one he created,…with Brad Pitt’s face replacing his):

      dalneitzel.com/2014/12/14/scrapbook-one-hundred-fifteen/#comment-64853

      My response: “Oh,…so, we are using Brad Pitt’s face to replace ours,…now,…are we?” 😉

      And this:

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      • E*- you know who else did that Photoshop thing all the time? VGBoss. Do you think VGBoss taught FF how to photoshop and then retired a rich man? I do. Why else would VGBoss stop looking for the treasure. Or maybe VGBoss realized the competition was just too stiff, and threw in the towel. He could be annoying at times…true but all in all he was ok. Had some good ideas too.well, nothing I would pursue. But still, some good ideas. I’m gonna quit talking about VGBoss now before he shows up. We got next best thing anyway in Marion Imposter. (John Wayne)

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        • LOL Y’all are just too funny. Marion is an acquired taste, he makes me blush and sometimes cringe but he keeps things lively.

          Marion dont get a swollen head reading this.

          I miss VG too but he has a life, and a wife who needs him. I hope he is happy! 🙂

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        • Bob – OK,…this is getting weird. As I posted that image of the Mona Lisa,…with Captain Jack Sparrow’s pirate face pasted over it,…I thought of vgboss. And then I thought of how vgboss could have pasted the vulcan ears onto the picture I posted of Forrest and Dal (the one with the “blisters”),…to make my point to Marion,…over on Forrest’s blog. But, alas,…we only have the earlier works of vgboss to enjoy,…forever. I do try to do my best with what I can find on the internet, though. I hope he is doing well. 🙂

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        • Bob – It didn’t occur to me until later,…that you were making a connection between the screen name, Marion Imposter,…and John Wayne’s real name:

          Marion Mitchell Morrison (born Marion Robert Morrison; May 26, 1907 – June 11, 1979), better known by his stage name John Wayne, was an American film actor, director and producer.[1] An Academy Award-winner, Wayne was among the top box office draws for three decades.[2][3] An enduring American icon, he epitomized rugged masculinity and is famous for his demeanor, including his distinctive calm voice, walk, and height.

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    • Bob – And that was NOT a very attractive picture of Brad,…that Forrest Photoshopped in,…to replace his face. I MUST post this one,…with his bright, toothy grin,…just so I can feel complete:

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        • But,…ohhhhh,…to be a Fennec Fox:

          Fennec foxes are social animals that mate for life, with each pair or family controlling their own territory.[18] Sexual maturity is reached at around nine months old. In the wild, mating usually occurs between January and February for litters to be born between March and April. However, in captivity most litters are born later, between March and July, although births can occur year round.[13] The species usually breeds only once each year.[19] The copulation tie has been recorded as lasting up to two hours and 45 minutes.

          Big ears aren’t everything, right? 🙂

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          • JC1117 – Yes,…I’ll bet those were the days,… before the English Puritans landed on the Eastern shore of our country,…and messed up the “system” of Chief Two Eagles’s ancestors there:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patawomeck

            Robert “Two Eagles” Green was the chief of the tribe from its reorganization until 2013, when he retired and became Chief Emeritus. Green was an adviser to the filmmakers of The New World (2005), about the colony at Jamestown and the Native American peoples and cultures encountered by the colonists.[20] Green appeared in the film in a non-speaking role; his son Jason Green also appeared as a Powhatan warrior.[15][20] The Patawomecks provided the filmmakers with numerous wild turkey feathers and deer antlers to create authentic clothing for the Native American characters in the film. Green also portrayed Powhatan in the episode “Pocahontas Revealed” (2007) of PBS’s Nova.

            Coincidentally,…here is the book I am reading now,…which also deals with that topic:

            www.goodreads.com/book/show/18693612-flight-of-the-sparrow

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          • Yea, 4 hours gone by and I just got started; 40 years ago though; boy was I stupid back then.now I lick for 4 hours is the best I can do.

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      • HEY MARION! Get a load of this…ha ha (you was talking about poop the other day remember?)
        Ha ha ha, HEY! Look at me! I’m sending FF an arrowhead for making a ornament! Ha ha nobody thought about that! Did they? Well I DID! It’s my idea. So here ya go Forrest Fenn, from Marion and me, with love. Ha ha ha!

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      • Marion Imposter – Speaking of Jefferson County, CO,…and toll roads,…and weren’t we talking about “Hang Em High”,…over on Forrest’s blog?:

        jeffco.us/open-space/parks/apex-park/history/

        Finding “mining the miners” brought more wealth than prospecting for rare gold strikes; entrepreneurs began building toll roads to the gold-mining camps. They founded rough supply towns along their toll roads, including Arapahoe City, Golden Gate City, Boulder City, Golden City, Mount Vernon, Bradford City, Piedmont and Apex. A Rocky Mountain News article from July, 1861, reported a confessed horse thief hanging from a tree near the Apex road — the local people “preferred that his trial should cost nothing.”

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    • Argus- since my email is hacked I can speak freely here.
      On frogs and stars, the ancient Arabs had two named constellations. Fomalhaut and Diphda. Two frogs hopping across the night sky. In TTOTC perhaps this is the connection to the mention of Kismet and dirt. Look quickly down for dirt. But in some of the drawings in TTOTC, at night with stars, the individual depicted is always looking up at the stars. How to tie frog constellations? I don’t know. Remove the t from kismet to get kisme. Kiss me, the frog and the princess, royalty,caliph. There ya go Argus, dissect and show it to your kids. Lol

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  11. I’m thinking about the book TTOTC and how FF mentions not wearing shoes a couple of times and when we don’t wear shoes we leave footprints. Footprints tell others where we’ve been. His memoir, TTOTC is a collection of footprints. This could be the blaze. Footprints mark the trail of his life. It is necessary to look quickly down to find them. FF indicates also that he would have liked to follow in his fathers footsteps, upon learning of his cancer and being brave in a difficult situation. Here now, with the book and poem, FF has labored with god in his workshop in educating us searchers.
    FF found treasure, and if you want treasure too- the message is follow his footsteps.

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    • Bob – You wrote,

      “FF found treasure, and if you want treasure too- the message is follow his footsteps.”

      By “his footsteps”,…did you mean the footsteps of “The Grizz” (because of your Draper post)?:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXDjlA4Y9QA#t=42
      (Note: the Vital Ground foundation logo)

      And I changed that applicable Matthew 6:21 Bible quote as follows:

      Where your treasure is, there will your Grizz be also.

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      • E- yes my post had a dual meaning there I combined the two. The bear footprints at the Draper will lead you to the chest mentioned in the poem and if you are young enough to join the Air Force to get flying time, marry a worthy companion, open an art gallery, make time for archeology, then you will have followed in the footsteps(footprints ) of Forrest Fenn and you will find treasure. That’s what I meant.

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    • As a machinist, we shortened the word blueprint to just print. As in..”this part is not to print” or “it’s ok, according to the print”.
      I suppose architects could do the same, for buildings. And if FF felt like an architect in construction of the poem, then the prints would be important.
      Bear prints.

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      • Bob….I know Fenn turned down your search tag along offer down but are you still considering visiting the area by Goose Lake in Red River? ……..I had an idea.

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        • Tom- after I found out that forest road 66 is seasonal, I kind of lost interest. Of course I’m always game for fresh ideas and will have plenty of time while I’m there. Let’s hear it!

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    • Look quickly down is reference to a footnote, an asterisk. Which is a star. Stars burn white hot, blaze. The blaze is an asterisk, which directs a reader to the bottom of a page for clarification. Helping the reader to see clearly.
      Blaze-asterisk
      Look quickly down- footnote
      Footnote=footprints that lead to the chest.

      Footnotes, like Tom Hanks playing chopsticks with his feet in the movie… “Big” was it?

      OO
      oo

      “Dad! Wake up!”

      OO (eyes wide open )
      oo (eyes half open )
      — (eyes shut)

      “Dad ! Go to bed!”

      I remember my kids shouting at me as I napped on the couch after dinner. My eyes would slowly close as my head would nod forward, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly…down.

      Scrapbook 109 knapping=napping.
      Flint knapping
      Flint used to start a blaze.
      But since FF created a scrapbook for this, it can’t be the blaze.
      I’m sticking with asterisk.

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      • Bob – Forrest once wrote that he doesn’t read Dal’s blog much,…because it interferes with his napping. But it appears that he is reading and responding to it A LOT lately,…so I was thinking Tesuque is probably getting lonely,…at naptime,…and might need a new snooze buddy:

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          • they are adorable; my wish now is to become your lap dog, just kidding I would respect you; to a point. I like it rough, I might bite down hard on a nipple or something.

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  12. All,
    I have a theory that the blaze will be oblivious to all but those that have studied the poem over and over and have done a tremendous amount of research (FF has said similar things). A picture says a thousand words. FF says the poem is all you need. So how does one recognize the blaze then? It has to be described in the poem and maybe hinted at in the book TTOTC. I have discovered 7 confirming elements in this blaze.

    With that said,
    1) the picture of the owl in the chalice/grail/cup is a symbol of “wise”. The letters O.W.Lewis anagrams to “wise owl”. The poem’s line – “if you have bee wise and found the blaze”
    2) The cup with the two bars on the stem is actually a chalice or grail. The famous grail was the holy grail which was sought after by the knights of the round table in a quest which is supported by the poem’s words “your QUEST to cease”.
    3) The typical trait of a knight is that they are “brave” and the word grail is derived from the French word grall which means “cup of wood”. This is supported by the poem’s words “brave and in the wood”.
    4) Chal-ICE or ice is supported by the poem’s words “worth the cold.”
    5) The chalice is also in the shape of the Japanese Yen ¥ which is a universal sign for peace supported by the poem’s words – “tale the chest and go in PEACE”
    6) The ¥ is also a stylized “Y” and FF confirms the blaze with the words “Why (Y) is it…” also supported by the poem’s words “hear me all and listen good”
    7) In the book TTOTC, there is a chapter called “Searching for Lewis and Clark”, FF is hinting that we are searching as well only we will only find “LEWIS”.

    The words in the poem used to describe the blaze can also be used to describe in a consistent matter the path to the blaze. Since a picture says a 1000 words, it would take a book to describe each detail of the path that leads to this blaze.

    The Wolf

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    • Wolf- makes perfect sense to me. So, the next instruction would be to look quickly down meaning? To pray, bow, nod, acknowledge?
      Or, see rapids below. Or use ground penetrating radar? Or what? What follows after the blaze is found?

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      • A good question Bob. I better start writing that book – lol

        I was hoping that others would see the connection to Indiana Jones “The Last Crusade” which to me ties in quest/wood very nicely. I liked the line – “Jesus was a carpenter” and thus he chose the wooden chalice – which then the old knight replied – ” You chose wisely”

        The Wolf

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    • Thanks Wolf – that was very generous.

      It was well thought out and if it relates to your spot, which of course it would ….. when are you leaving? 🙂

      I agree – Lewis is the one – but which Lewis. Why is there a dot after the “L” ?

      I still don’t know “what” it is that we are looking at – a grave marker – intriguing.

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      • Oh man if I could only just tell you! wish I could but for various reasons I can’t say anything further at this time. It blew me away when I think of the effort he put into the poem. There is even an awesome explanation for why he used the words..” and found the blaze”. Many have wondered why he used the past tense. The explanation is pretty cool. I guess I better get writing…
        The Wolf

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      • The Wolf – I had fun looking at several of your photobucket photos,…when I connected to that link. That was fun! Hey,…what is that hook mounted on the upper left,…above the alcove?

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  13. E*:
    The Wolf – And what are those numbers or dates,…to the left and to the right,…of the bottom of the cup itself? I can’t zoom in enough,…with my “marvel gaze” on this computer,…to see that level of detail,…and that includes the object contained inside the cup. It kind of looks like the head of a fish to me…

    You mean this:

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  14. E*:
    Me too, Astree:

    WOLF > OWL F

    Excellent photo E*! That would make an very good book cover. Sorry Astree I can’t disclose anything even if I wanted to. I am surprised that no has recognized the elements contained in the poem. Perhaps another photo is in order.

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    • REBEL –

      That’s a gorgeous photo of a 4 x 4 – I’ve got a photo of his girlfriend !

      Thanks – keep them coming – I just love Colorado.

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      • Inthechaseto,
        He is a gorgeous creature . I thought he might have been sizing me up as his new girlfriend , and I was not looking for a romantic relationship with him . It is really beautiful in the Rockies , but my only previous experience had been in the winter of 1961 , when I did 6 weeks of mountain training in the Pikes Peak area with the Army , getting ready to go to Berlin and the wall .
        REBEL

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      • Itct,
        When the 4×4 was sizing me up , my grandson Bradley was with me , but that didn’t make me feel too safe , because I know Bradley can run a lot faster than I can . He would have just been truckin’ on in front of me shouting “Hurry grandad he’s gaining on you .”

        BTW . Is vgboss still around ? Miss his input .

        REBEL

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      • Hey Bob ,
        Do you think Fenn would let us borrow his plane to fly to that secret airport . I can fly if you’re not a nervous Nellie . Haven’t took the controls in a long time … but it’s like riding a bike isn’t it ? Are you ready to go Bob ?
        REBEL

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      • Bob ,
        I’m trying to write a song dedicated to you , sung to the tune of “Home on the Range “. It’s called ” Dome , Dome on the Lake “. It might work if I can get Willie Nelson to arrange it .
        Seriously , Bob , I think you were onto something with that ditch you were digging up there . I just think you should have gone a foot deeper . Fenn did mention something about a 13 year old , didn’t he . Wow , just a foot short of … Eureka !!!

        Oh well , just give me a hand full of pain pills …wind me up and let me go , where I land even I won’t know !!

        See what you’ve started Bob . But it’s all good !
        REBEL

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        • Rebel- “dome, dome in the lake….where the brown and rainbow play….
          Where seldom you’ll see, an idiot like me…diggin fer treasure all night…..

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  15. Here I am on my last trip out to the Rocky Mountains . Catchin’ 20 winks . lol Don’t if it will come up , but also one of my grandson Bradley .

    REBEL

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  16. Well Guys and Gals ,
    Gotta’ go and lay down and rest for awhile . All the pain killers are kickin’ in , and it’s hard to focus on the keyboard .
    Happy trails to you until we meet again .
    Good luck to all seekers and searchers . It’s out there , someone just needs to find it .
    Having read Deb’s report , if I’m wrong about my ideas , then I think she may be the one to follow . Again that’s just one man’s opinion .

    REBEL

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  17. There is no X in the poem , but in most treasure hunts X marks the spot . I know where IMO , the treasure is hidden . Within 5 feet there is a visible X . Also if you look at an X , there are two Y’s , back to back ….wise ….Y’s . Look quickly down your quest to cease . If you find the location of the X marks the spot , you will understand why you have to look quickly down . There is a very good reason . These things are just my opinion , and I don’t have the treasure .
    Good luck to all treasure seekers out there .

    REBEL

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    • Yes there are two “Y”s in the poem :
      1) If you have been Ys (wise) and
      2) So Y (why) is it …

      So I agree X doesn’t mark the spot but perhaps “Y” does. That is probably “Y” he says to “hear me now and listen good”.

      The Wolf

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      • Hi Wolf , My site contains a very visible man made X . And that X contains two Y’s back to back . Also all the other nine clues are there as I have interpreted them from the poem . Of course all my interpretations could be wrong . This is just my opinion .
        Good luck Wolf . You are one of the people I look forward to seeing on here with your valuable ideas .

        REBEL

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        • Thank you Rebel for the kind words. I wish you good luck as well as your observation is very intuitive. My Blaze concept contains the “Y” but also has elements of three other words in the poem (and one from the book) that contributes to the confidence. Of course it could be a just one terrible coincidence (not that I haven’t seen that before – lol).
          The Wolf

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          • Same here Wolf with the coincidences over the past 15 months . But we plod onwards don’t we . If nothing else , it’s helping keep this 71 year old mind active . If Y is important to you , I can tell you that in my solve with the X , the Y’s will be there .
            Mucho good luck to you Wolf . Keep the good ideas flowing .

            REBEL

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      • Hi Bob ,
        Thanks for the reply . Gotta’ say , you are one of the reason I come back on here . I love reading the things you put on , both serious and funny . Keep it up man , you are some character , and I love your write-ups .

        REBEL

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      • Hey Bob , I could tell you where I believe the treasure is located , but you would not believe me because it is so simple IMO . It’s out of my hands tho’ . After 3 trips out there last year , DOC says no more . My deteriorating heart condition can’t take 6500 feet . It’s only 700 feet here in North Georgia . Happy hunting Bob . and please keep up the humor !

        REBEL

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          • Hey Bob ,
            No not a runway . Not even close . I’m talking about a real man-made X within 5 feet of where I consider the treasure to be located . Bob I think most people see this ending at some romantic , historic location , and my solve goes completely against that , so much that people would never consider looking there . He said he hid it , he didn’t bury it , so I think that means it’s above, below or behind something . Last time I was out there I couldn’t search and during the day I was in my van with oxygen on because of the heat and altitude , but my grandson was with me and for 2 days he video-taped the area . When we came back to Georgia I have spent over 6 months studying those tapes to reach my conclusions . It has been very helpful l

            REBEL

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          • Gosh Bob , you are so on the mark . Must be drinking a lot of that Red Bull down there in FLORIDA . When I lived on Miami Beach there was always a lot of BULL around !

            REBEL

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    • Rebel – Did you come up with that idea,…using the comment Nor made about the “Y” in Rocky Mountains,…which was posted on The Map scrapbook,…on Dal’s blog? I loved your “yy’s = WISE” correlation. Yep,…it ALL fits my spot. When I see that map of Montana,…it still looks like Forrest’s profile (the Western border),…looking down on me, here,…and he is saying, “If you go ‘alone in there’,…that Grizz is gonna get ‘ya!” 🙂

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      • Good morning E* ,
        There is no X in the poem , but if one is YY’s , he will then find the X that marks the spot IMO . I know where the YY’s are located .
        Have a good day, and good luck to all searchers .
        Rebel

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    • Astree – You make many WISE anagrammatical discoveries,… which I really appreciate. But I can’t say the WISE found the “blaze”,… because that new Wise Brown Dwarf (HOB?),…is a “worth the cold” star indeed! 🙂

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    • astree-
      Having studied the words in every relationship I can think of (which I’m sure you have as well), I still feel the last word of every line reflects back upon the meaning of the phrases. And the need to rhyme the last words affects the focus on the possible variations of the meanings of those words.

      Last words in order, with rhyming pairs for each stanza adjacent:

      there – there where bold old
      bold
      where
      old
      halt – halt walk down Brown
      down
      walk
      brown
      meek – meek creek nigh high
      nigh
      creek
      high
      blaze – blaze gaze cease peace
      cease
      gaze
      peace
      go – go know seek weak
      seek
      know
      weak
      good – good wood cold gold
      cold
      wood
      gold

      The associations of the rhyming pairs work with my solve, which I’ve said has clue solutions in order but with confirmation elements looping back into the lineup. I believe the rhyming hierarchies, which need to be managed in any rhyming poem, tell a lot about what Forrest’s priorities were in the meanings of the words at the ends of the phrases.

      That probably doesn’t help you with what you’re doing there, your post just reminded me of this.

      SYand42lbsHeavier,
      Halogetter

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    • That is a beautiful poem, Astree. I can totally relate to it with 3 children of my own. There is nothing more innocent and beautiful than children playing. I think it’s how we’re all supposed to get along down here on this spinning mudball we call Earth.

      I don’t mean to detract from the beauty of your post with this post, but life can be so confusing and heartbreaking at times for so many. We feel so helpless and indecisive about HOW TO LIVE that we just want to scream sometimes. Do you know what I mean? One thing is certain, though. The world would be a much different place if we ALL learned to be our brother’s (and sister’s) keepers and to love one another.

      www.metrolyrics.com/birds-fly-whisper-to-a-scream-lyrics-icicle-works.html

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImJpqutxOmg

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      • JC1117:

        We feel so helpless and indecisive about HOW TO LIVE that we just want to scream sometimes. Do you know what I mean? One thing is certain, though. The world would be a much different place if we ALL learned to be our brother’s (and sister’s) keepers and to love one another.

        I have spent some time pondering your comment ( as I know you have made similar comments in the past ), and in fact have spent much of my life thinking about this issue, as a central problem to our existence.

        Many great thinkers / teachers, throughout the history, have made similar points to you. Though, there is an idea, that basically says, that we live in the best of all possible worlds – I would emphasize the word “possible”.

        If this is true, perhaps the world is the way it is, for some larger and ultimate purposem and to know one aspect of life, only by knowing its opposite. I really still do not know .

        However, I can certainly empathize with your statement.

        astree

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maserati_Birdcage.jpg

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  18. astree:
    .
    Chris,

    this isn’t part of what I found, but how old was Forrest when he was found to have cancer, and what letter position are the CES in SECRET ?

    SomeWHERE in the 50?s ?

    astree

    (edit in – but I can tell you that those letter positions of CES, 56, 57, 58sum to
    171 and SECRET is the
    17th word)

    58 was the age when he first found out

    i find a connection between 56/57 and a leaf

    btw astree did you notice the most recent comment from F about a whisper and how it may relate to the most recent thing we talked about

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  19. just wondering if y’all realize when you take a good look at the dust jacket with a magnifying glass, you can clearly see it is CE5 (five)

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      • i dont know if it has meaning to the chase or what that would be

        i recall a searcher saying they emailed F about it, and F said that he was glad people were taking an interest in it

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        • There’s a pretty long thread on here somewhere on the CE5, and I’ve always supported the fact that it’s a 5, not an S.

          Also, relative to the age range of the chest (another debate) the CE5 marking is relatively fresh. I believe it’s done in white paint.

          The CE5 flashed a very specific meaning at me once I completed the end of my solution. The chest begins the chase and is also the end of it, the end of Fenn’s rainbow, and not just because it’s resting there.

          Halogetter

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          • CES or CE5?

            Hello my friends!

            Go to www.oldsantafetradingco.com and see that the 5th tab is RESOURCES…. last three letters are? CES

            Just having a little fun here like old times.

            You all know my stance on The Thrill of the Chase…The answers I already know. Good luck to all those still on your chase. May you all find your blaze. Now back to the Couch I go.

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          • .
            Chris,

            this isn’t part of what I found, but how old was Forrest when he was found to have cancer, and what letter position are the CES in SECRET ?

            SomeWHERE in the 50’s ?

            astree

            (edit in – but I can tell you that those letter positions of CES, 56, 57, 58 sum to
            171 and SECRET is the
            17th word)

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          • astree:
            …. how old was Forrest when he was found to have cancer, and what letter position are the CES in SECRET ?

            SomeWHERE in the 50?s ?

            astree

            (edit in – but I can tell you that those letter positions of CES, 56, 57, 58

            I looked it up, he was 58, so corresponds to “S”, the first letter of SECret.

            Addendum:

            Scrapbook 56

            ” … at the top were George Hamilton, (He made 57 movies) ”

            Look out, Barry Manilow is interested in this hunt! (Oh, Mandy)

            “There is no place like home.

            ff”

            dalneitzel.com/2014/03/11/scrapbook-fifty-six/

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    • .
      Chris,

      I put it under a microscope three days ago, and couldn’t tell if it was CES or CE5 – I did see a possible straight side for the “5”, but the dot matrix print was actually interferring with a clear read. ( I took that close look because of information, not revealed in the next paragraph, that I recently found, and recalling that you had previously mentioned the “5”)

      I have reason to believe, that Forrest “had to have” the chest, in good part because of the “CES”, and it relates to the final phase of the ChaSE and your quest to CEaSe.

      astree

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      • Astree – A good Latin GT translation,…for your “TER + CES”:

        TER CES > three times the jury

        And I like this portmanteau:

        TRE SURE > treasure

        And,…again:

        CES > C’Est SES > This to Be His/Hers

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        • E*:

          Astree – A good Latin GT translation,…for your “TER + CES”:

          TER CES > three times the jury

          Yep, and it ain’t much, but also try Dutch

          ( relates back to the 56,57, 58 three jour’e series )

          So, try TERCES in Latin, and I’ll gladly pay you then, for a hamburger today, ‘cuz I’m really hungry now … off to the microwave 🙂

          ( edit in: E* – this is NOT the way to keep a Thrill secret

          tuesdayssecret.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bandmembers.jpg?w=468 )

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          • E*:
            Astree – I am a little short today,…to repay you, …for all your generous help,…on “The Chase”, …but I will gladly pay you next week:

            And have you considered having a cheeseburger,…instead?:

            It is always good to consider ALL the alternatives,…that is good, logical thinking.

            I had considered the SHAD AND ROE that was mentioned with Forrest, but did actually just finish a cheeseburger before coming into blog ( good call ! ) ( by SHAD AND ROE, was he hinting at DARN SHADOE ?)

            I will try to wathc the video in a bit(e), have a mtg to get to.

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          • Astree – And that children’s poem says that, “Friday’s child is loving and giving”,…and Forrest was born on August 22, 1930,…a Friday. 🙂

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          • E*:

            Astree – When you said to try ‘TER CES’ in Latin,…and then pointed out that it means ‘Tuesday’,…I discovered that TEW can be spelled TIW,…and also means Tuesday (= Tiw’s day):

            This is close to being

            In The Wood

            E*: www.crowl.org/lawrence/time/days.html#Tuesday
            www.englatheod.org/tiw.htm
            And that reminded me of this children’s poem:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday's_Child

            I googled my birthday,…and found that I was born on a Monday.

            🙂

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Children%27s_Hour_(poem)#Poem

            ” A whisper, and then a silence”

            A.We, A.T… A.S.

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          • Astree – I really loved that children’s poem,…by Longfellow,…and I liked Edith best,…because of her golden hair,…and because her name begins with an ‘E’. And I loved his analogy of a battle,… and scaling a wall, too. And that he intended to keep them,…in the dungeon of his heart,…which I understood,…So well. 🙂

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          • I used Google to see that I was born on Tuesday. I’m just glad I wasn’t born on the Sabbath!

            And all this talk about cheeseburgers and Pepsi reminds me of the wise sage, Mel, the cook, on that old show “Alice”. (In Wonderland?) When I was a kid Alice in Wonderland was re-released in theaters. There was a very strong wind storm one day that changed the sign to read “LICE IN WONDERLAND”.

            You can hear some of Mel’s wisdom (from the TV show, Alice) quoted here at about the 2 minute mark:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

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    • I am from the east coast, we have rain jackets; where do I need a dust jacket; oh yea, if I am standing behind my dog when he is digging for the treasure, I for got and I have a head acke too, not tonight honey.

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  20. Astree, I find that interesting that the child saw a person, an actual face associated with his NDE. I wonder what his experience with organized religion was previous to his NDE? Did they address that in the movie? Interesting

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    • azuredeb:

      Astree, I find that interesting that the child saw a person, an actual face associated with his NDE. I wonder what his experience with organized religion was previous to his NDE? Did they address that in the movie? Interesting

      Deb,

      The child’s (Colton) father was a minister. That is part of the controversy, implying that he had pre-conceived ideas that were triggered by internal morphine release.

      Colton seemed to pick up extra-sensory information during his experience, some of which there is a slight chance he could have somehow deduced, or have picked up subconsciously when he was younger. Other info, seems pretty surely esp. ( and others report similarly ) cause things don’t work the same there.

      I know several people pretty well, having had similar experiences. The things seen, were not as common as what Colton saw – not commonly known or discussed, but I believe are even more indicative than Colton’s experience, as to the authenticity.

      astree

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  21. astree: Hi E*,

    There is certainly a lot of interesting information, and controversy, about Aesop.

    However, Forrest did not expect us to know about that, only that Aesop is associated with wisdom… the segue, following his directions, has one move from the place of “heavy loads and water high” to one associated with Aesop, from which one can see the blaze, and all the way to the precise location.( as others have suggested, the stanzas are not in order ).By the way, just curious here … did Forrest ever make any comments about caves ?

    There are other things associated with wise at that place, for example a place of degrees, but I thought Aesop was the strongest association.

    One could find the blaze without knowing about Aesop, but I thought it was a pretty neta way to do it.

    astree

    there is a specific greek mythological story that is being referred to in the poem, it is probably one of many associated w/ aesop, but that isnt important i dont think, knowing which story, is

    also understanding why certain other elements are being incorporated in, that are not part of the story, but are connected to it within a certain arena

    there are quite a few hints in the book and poem, and one of the more convincing to me is the placement of ‘wise’ precisely in the middle of the poem

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    • Chris Yates:
      there is a specific greek mythological story that is being referred to in the poem, it is probably one of many associated w/ aesop, but that isnt important i dont think, knowing which story, is

      also understanding why certain other elements are being incorporated in, that are not part of the story, but are connected to it within a certain arena

      Thanks for your comments Chris. I have not connected to the Greek mythology… I will ponder it. I wouldn’t be surprised; the amount of content and historical info that Forrest references continues to blow me away.

      Forrest did reference Nero at least twice, once directly associated with the blaze ( I didn’t want to include that in these recent posts, gets too messy ).

      Chris Yates:

      there are quite a few hints in the book and poem, and one of the more convincing to me is the placement of ‘wise’ precisely in the middle of the poem

      Understood, and have marveled at that on a number of occasions – again, part of what Forrest has done. I know you mentioned the ‘wise’ connection to E* several weeks ago . Forrest loaded it all so much … and I understand about the “Y”.

      But also, at this point, Forrest has lead us specifically to a place that is W, and then SE … which is pretty much WiSE. What I am presenting is NOT how he did it, only hints at it in the upper levels of his story.

      if you are WiSE and found the blaze, look quickly down, your q-WEST to ceaSE. He is very precise.

      astree

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          • Astree, I am positive he sees a connection. Probably very close to the same one I did. 🙂

            Forrest promised there is a chest hidden north of Santa Fe, so that keeps me searching.

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      • Astree – And on your mention of Forrest referring to Nero,…I found these links,…about the Great Fire of Rome,…and the phrase, “Fiddling while Rome burns”:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Rome
        www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fiddling-while-rome-burns.html

        That made me think of the huge fire Yellowstone suffered,…in 1988,…and that Forrest was “fiddling” with the Poem, then (because that is when he decided to hide TC, right?).

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      • I think ‘wise’ is simply saying; West is East. Or, W. is E.

        I think he is telling us to reverse some things and do them in a way that would seem backwards to whatever overt clues/instructions we see. If he says, ‘go west…’, he REALLY means go EAST. He says ‘up’, we should go down. He says to look quickly down, but really means look slowly upward. Just my humble take on the word ‘wise’ being in the center of the poem like that. I hope this ‘theory’ hasn’t been bandied around on here already….. 🙂

        Peace you Treasure Fiends! (…and please, stay away from my treasure. If you find it, just call me and I’ll come get it from you. I’ll even give you a gold coin or two! )

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    • Chris – I am thinking,…that you are thinking,…of this story:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus

      And on the ‘wise’ word,…thereby,…being in the middle of the line:

      www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/evol/ev-jvmj2.htm

      The cave,…with provisions,…that Odysseus enters,…might have an all-seeing-eye,…in Forrest’s case,…like one of those fancy trail cameras. 🙂

      And Astree mentioned, “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”,…which made me think of the Winter Soldier’s missing arm,…and the monster, Grendel,…in the story of Beowulf:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaj7uCVPCI

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    • Chris – And Wolf mentioned,…in another area of this blog,…that he liked the double entendre,…of my proposed search story title, “The Treasure Is All Mine”,…which came up in that Cyclops vs. Odysseus story:

      In Homer’s “The Odyssey”, when Odysseus is captured by the Cyclops Polyphemus, he tells the Cyclops that his name is Oudeis (?????? = No-one). When Odysseus attacks the Cyclops later that night and stabs him in the eye, the Cyclops runs out of his cave, yelling to the other cyclopes that “No-one has hurt me!”, which leads the other cyclopes to take no action, allowing Odysseus and his men to escape.

      I think Forrest uses lots of literary devices,…like the double entendre,…in the Poem,…and in his communications. 🙂

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  22. JC1117:
    That’s a good question, Bob.I don’t really know the answer to the question.I would assume that people after Aesop labeled the stories fables.I think his point was to tell stories with important life lessons and truths contained within …exactly like Forrest does with his stories.For someone to label Aesop’s stories “fables” is a great discredit to the author.Most people dismiss them out of hand once they’re “labeled”.

    And E*,
    Regarding your comment about Aesop’s death: “It sounds like the Delphians,…had no previous trust,…or context,” was a case of “shoot first, ask questions later”.I suppose they only undertook to ask questions later when they realized the karmic repercussions of their actions.After all, no harm, no foul, right?
    My wife tells me that, in Brazil, cheating spouses use the expression, “What the eyes don’t see, the heart doesn’t feel”.The Delphians could have cared less…except when they realized LATER that their actions had consequences.Only then did they “care”.How much?We can only guess.I, personally, think they felt more sorry for themselves than they felt sorry for what they did.Typical human nature.

    JC – I looked up the definition of the word fable…wow! A day and night difference when a verb or a noun. Incredibly both apply to Aesop. And yes, the history or mystery? Of Aesop is so varied the truth will never be known. Aesop’s origin kind of reminds me of the origin of Tarot cards. Tarot cards were not to be used for fortune telling. They were originally just used as a kind of study guide for young people. An elder of a village would use them to instruct a youngster about the perils of life as they grew older. Giving advice to them using flash cards so to speak. I can see where Aesop, whether real or imagined, the fables could have been used in the same way.

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  23. To me the point is that there is no real proof who wrote the stories that Aesops fables originate from. Just as Forrest says that this book ( TTOTC) wrote itself. 🙂
    Stories handed down throughout time tweaked by different authors and claimed as their own. Think about how far back in history this pattern is repeated.

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  24. Yes the clip does go to the heart of the matter. 🙂 I would love to see that movie.

    So many recent and soon to be released movies on topic this year. I bet it makes him smile to think about. 🙂
    Astree is brilliant, much too deep for my simpleton mind. I am hoping I dont need to be that brilliant to figure this out. If so, thats ok too. 🙂 Maybe one of my kids will do it, they are wired that way. 🙂

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  25. E*:
    azuredeb – Yes,…”and other storytellers”,…so I can prepare for that Fenn-bor-ee,…where I will worship the Golden Statue,…which marks the ultimate source,…of Fenntopia,…where I am sure there will be,…the paying of taxes.

    Golden statue? Is it a FROG? LOL

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    • azuredeb – No,…not a FROG,…more like a LOG (for the Golden Statue,…which I will worship,…at the Fenn-bor-ee,… that is always going on in the virtual world,…of my very creative and imaginative mind!). 🙂

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      • E*:
        azuredeb – No,…not a FROG,…more like a LOG (for the Golden Statue,…which I will worship,…at the Fenn-bor-ee,…

        At your Fenn-bor-ee, will you maintain the ‘tight focus’ of a star-ee, e-star ?

        🙂

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        • Astree – This sort of relates to that Aesop’s fable,…about, “The Diamond and the Glowworm”,…that Halogetter posted:

          Twinkle, twinkle, little star
          How I wonder what you are
          Up above the world so high
          Like a diamond in the sky
          Twinkle, twinkle little star
          How I wonder what you are

          When the blazing sun is gone
          When he nothing shines upon
          Then you show your little light
          Twinkle, twinkle, all the night
          Twinkle, twinkle, little star
          How I wonder what you are

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          • How did you choose your online identity E* ? I have wondered since the first time I saw it.

            Mine was chosen many years ago because at that point blue was my favorite color. That was before my love affair with colors evolved and I embraced a wide array of colors. 🙂

            What led to yours?

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          • azuredeb – And my favorite color,…is kind of a Green-Blue (5-6 on the radar color code ID chart,…hey,…that’s 56,…which is Douglas Adams’s answer,…to the meaning of life! Wait,…no that’s “Six by Nine”,…which equals 54,…but the answer is 42,…oh, …nevermind! But the atomic weight,…of Fe Iron,…is 55.845,…so that is close to 56!),…like the shades of mineral Turquoise,…or the Turquoise shades,…of a glacial lake,…or those of the Aurora Borealis,…in this video:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFmROaqeV0

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          • E*: azuredeb – And my favorite color,…is kind of a Green-Blue

            Aurora B

            See, there’s that Aurora again, which reminds me of THAT Thrill video by Aurora Phyfe… always gives me ants in the pants.

            Your mention of the blue-green … my favorites too … aquamarine … reminded me of a movie we saw on Sunday “Heaven is for Real” …. in which some kids said they saw Jesus and that he has (either) blue-green eyes or (drawn as) green eyes:

            tweleve.org/maranatha/17510-journey-1097.html#post559382

            astree

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  26. colokidd: There are 60 captions in the book and no number “2? in any of them.
    But if you can find one please let me know and I’ll make a correction.

    Tea With Olga

    TWO

    does that count?

    jdh

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    • I should have explained I look at numbers separately now

      So

      Page 30
      Page 72
      Page 76

      There could be more – I’m blonde ya know.

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  27. inthechaseto:
    Thanks for that –

    The number “2? is used in captions in the book also.

    There are 60 captions in the book and no number “2” in any of them.
    But if you can find one please let me know and I’ll make a correction.

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    • Astree – Oh,…I follow:

      In mathematics, a complete lattice is a partially ordered set in which all subsets have both a supremum (join) and an infimum (meet). Any non-empty finite lattice is trivially complete.

      This means “empty set”, btw: {} or Ø

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      • I thought it could be Sagittarius as it is the only symbol in the zodiac, having an x in it – I maybe looking for the x.

        I also noticed the significance of the number 2.

        Just in the poem:

        2 = waters – not water
        2 = same word twice – far
        2 = the word “so”
        2 = the word “in”
        2 = (new and old)
        2 = just (heavy loads) AND (water high)
        2 = Wise AND found the blaze
        2 = Look down AND your quest to cease
        2 = Tarry scant AND marvel gaze
        2 = So why go AND leave trove
        2 = Tired AND weak
        2 = Hear me all AND listen good
        2 = Brave AND in the wood

        Total of 10 AND’s in the poem.

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        • inthechaseto:
          I thought it could be Sagittarius as it is the only symbol in the zodiac, having an x in it – I maybe looking for the x.

          I also noticed the significance of the number 2.

          Just in the poem:

          2 =waters – not water
          2 =same word twice – far
          2 =the word “so”
          2 =the word “in”
          2 =(new and old)
          2 =just (heavy loads) AND (water high)
          2 =Wise AND found the blaze
          2 =Look down AND your quest to cease
          2 = Tarry scant AND marvel gaze
          2 =So why go AND leave trove
          2 =Tired AND weak
          2 =Hear me all AND listen good
          2 =Brave AND in the wood

          Total of 10 AND’s in the poem.

          Inthechase:
          Wow! This is the most astute comment I’ve seen in a long time. You just helped me confirm a lot of things. Unfortunately, I can’t reveal how without giving away too much info. But thanks! BTW I count 11 ANDs and 1+1= 2.

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      • Astree – That number was probably the first one discovered to be irrational (= the hypotenuse of a right triangle):

        1.41421356237309504880168872420969807856967187537694807317667973799

        I did that for Argus33 🙂

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    • Astree – On finding the “blaze”:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_fires_of_1988

      That was “heavy loads” (lightning),…but not “waters high” (rain),…since that was the worst drought year,…for Yellowstone Park,…in a long time (which was the perfect “firestorm”):

      The mountain pine beetle killed a number of trees in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem from the late 1960s through the mid-1980s. This created a heterogeneous forest in which old surviving trees were mixed with younger trees of various ages. This mixed stand structure may have provided ladder fuels that contributed to the fires.[16] In addition, the winter season of 1987–1988 was drier than usual, with the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem receiving only 31% of the normal snowpack.[14] However, April and May 1988 were very wet and the abundant moisture greatly aided grass and understory development. By June, the rainfall stopped and little was recorded in the entire Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem for the next four months. By July, the worst drought in the history of Yellowstone National Park began. Grasses and plants which grew well in the early summer soon turned to dry tinder. Relative humidity levels fell further, desiccating the forest. Fuel moisture content in dead and fallen timber was recorded as low as 5%. By mid-August, humidity levels were averaging below 20% and were recorded as low as 6% on one occasion.[14] To compound the lack of rainfall, the majority of Yellowstone’s soils are rhyolitic volcanic rocks and soils which have poor moisture retention.[12] A series of strong but dry storm fronts also led to the rapid spread of a number of the largest fires.

      Also,…that was the year Forrest found out he had cancer,…and these massive Yellowstone fires,…may have contributed to his decision,…to hide TC.

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  28. .
    “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

    I’ve had some hours to review my work, and am surprised that the principle response to this line (not the only response) seems to be Aesop. Surprised because it is one of the few places that Forrest leads us through, which may not be considered common knowledge.

    Would you consider Aesop to be common knowledge, as compared to the Earth being brown as an example of common knowledge?

    Anyway, because of this solution presented, including the combined use of clues, I took another look at it.

    This is the stanza where Forrest has the hunter standing at the chest, and finishes by telling the hunter to take the chest.

    AESOP
    POSEA

    “posea” is Spanish for “possesses”.

    ( Chris, this is not what I’d label “patern”, but would refer to as an example of the vast intelligence in book )

    astree

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    • astree:

      “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”

      I’ve had some hours to review my work, and am surprised that the principle response to this line (not the only response) seems to be Aesop. Surprised because it is one of the few places that Forrest leads us through, which may not be considered common knowledge.

      I’m am pretty much certain of the Aesop connection, having reviewed this aspect of his puzzle numerous times since the post.

      However, just now finding that the is a secret Aesopian Language, and that there is also

      The
      Aesop
      Romance

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop#The_Aesop_Romance

      which is the acronym for TAR, leading directly to

      and TARRY scant, of this stanza.

      astree

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      • Astree – Brilliant! I agree,…especially on the timing,…of when TAR was purportedly written. In addition to being partial to Aesop’s Fable #42,…I also enjoyed learning about #44:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frogs_Who_Desired_a_King

        I think I was acutely interested,…because I saw the movie, “Transcendence”,…last night,…and was thinking about just that concept:

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sxs4uXn7xA

        From a media article I found:

        Depp, for reasons known only to him, enabled this movie to be made by agreeing to star as the world-famous computer scientist working on A.I. programs because, as he quotes Einstein, “a new type of thinking is essential.”

        Unfortunately a group of anti-computer luddite terrorists pretty much agrees with the scientist who opines “you want to create a God. Your own God.”

        I think Johnny Depp’s character replies to that statement,…made by a scientist in the audience, …with a question, like, “Haven’t we been doing that for centuries?”,…but I couldn’t find the exact quote. Hmmmm…..Aesop’s 44th fable….

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        • Ribbit. Ribbit…
          🙂
          The link to wiki on that fable made me think of the discussion at chasechat about paying taxes.

          But back to Aesop, and other storytellers. 🙂

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          • azuredeb – Yes,…”and other storytellers”,…so I can prepare for that Fenn-bor-ee,…where I will worship the Golden Statue,…which marks the ultimate source,…of Fenntopia,…where I am sure there will be,…the paying of taxes. 😉

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      • Astree – And this one caught my eye,…because ot its mention,… that the axe handle was made of the hardest wood, olive (a WISE wood?),…and because of the drawing of the woodsman,…in TTOTC:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodcutter_and_the_Trees

        In a variation on this, a woodman comes into the forest and begs the trees ‘to give him a handle made of the hardest wood. The other trees selected the wood of the wild olive. The man took the handle and fitted it to his axe. Then, without a moment’s hesitation, he began to chop down the trees’ mighty branches and trunks, taking whatever he wanted. The oak tree then said to the ash, ‘It serves us right, since we gave our enemy the handle he asked for!’ This text comes from the Mediaeval Latin fable collection of Ademar of Chabannes, who comments upon it, ‘You should think twice before offering anything to your enemies’ (Ut cogites ante ne hosti aliqua praestes).[7]

        I still would like to know,…where Forrest, Donnie and Skippy,…and Forrest’s family,…for that matter,…got the logs,…to build the Dude Motel,…and the Fennhaven Motor Court.

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      • astree: I’m am pretty much certain of the Aesop connection, having reviewed this aspect of his puzzle numerous times since the post.

        However, just now finding that the is a secret Aesopian Language,

        which is the acronym for TAR, leading directly to

        and TARRY scant, of this stanza.

        astree

        Forrest used AESOP, which is near the high waters and heavy loads, as a segue; I didn’t find any more use than that.

        However, TARRY Smith had something to say this morning – “expect them to be delivered” – As previously said, ‘like a parsel post pickup’

        www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/04/22/dnt-ky-postal-worker-throws-packages-on-ground.wlex

        astree

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        • Astree – By your, “Forrest used AESOP,…as a segue…”,…were you referring to this?:

          Plutarch[7] tells us that Aesop had come to Delphi on a diplomatic mission from King Croesus of Lydia, that he insulted the Delphians, was sentenced to death on a trumped-up charge of temple theft, and was thrown from a cliff (after which the Delphians suffered pestilence and famine); before this fatal episode, Aesop met with Periander of Corinth, where Plutarch has him dining with the Seven Sages of Greece, sitting beside his friend Solon, whom he had met in Sardis. (Leslie Kurke suggests that Aesop himself “was a popular contender for inclusion” in the list of Seven Sages).

          I based this theory,…on a “heavy loads and waters high” geologic feature,…and this definition of ‘segue”:

          a transition made without pause or interruption

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          • It seems that Aesop was forced to “look quickly down” against his best wishes…no matter how good his judgement was previously…and Aesop was clearly a brilliant man.

            Aesop was dealt a very unfriendly card. 🙁

            “Criticism is something you can avoid easily — by saying nothing, by doing nothing, and being nothing.”
            – adapted from Elbert Hubbard

            However, Aesop could have just as easily gotten killed by saying nothing and doing nothing. Someone “pissed in someone else’s Cheerios”, I suppose. Or maybe someone hated him and framed him. More evil things have happened.

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          • JC1117 – But since Aesop had the gift,…of storytelling,…it was probably all over a WORD,… the wrong one,…that he used,…that was maybe misinterpreted,…kinda like people do,…on these blogs. It sounds like the Delphians,…had no previous trust,…or context,…when it came to Aesop’s diplomatic intentions.

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          • Ah, I see. I didn’t know much about Aesop’s history. In fact, I see it’s a very difficult task to know much about that man. I learned something very interesting about Aesop’s murder just now, though, at this link:

            ancienthistory.about.com/od/greekmenandwomen/a/Aesop-The-Life-Of-Aesop.htm

            “The Delphians, enraged at this treatment, accused him of impiety, and, in spite of his sacred character as ambassador, executed him as a public criminal. This cruel death of Aesop was not unavenged. The citizens of Delphi were visited with a series of calamities, until they made a public reparation of their crime; and, “The blood of Aesop” became a well- known adage, bearing witness to the truth that deeds of wrong would not pass unpunished.”

            As the Beverly Hillbillies would say, “Aesop got a heapin’ helpin’ of Delphian ‘hospitality’ and in return got a heapin’ helpin’ of karmic justice”.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvTE3m5jpM

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          • Ihave a question for either JC or E…. On Aesop’s Fables… Was it Aesop that labeled them fables or was it those who came after? What was the original title of the stories?

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          • That’s a good question, Bob. I don’t really know the answer to the question. I would assume that people after Aesop labeled the stories fables. I think his point was to tell stories with important life lessons and truths contained within …exactly like Forrest does with his stories. For someone to label Aesop’s stories “fables” is a great discredit to the author. Most people dismiss them out of hand once they’re “labeled”.

            And E*,
            Regarding your comment about Aesop’s death: “It sounds like the Delphians,…had no previous trust,…or context,” was a case of “shoot first, ask questions later”. I suppose they only undertook to ask questions later when they realized the karmic repercussions of their actions. After all, no harm, no foul, right?
            My wife tells me that, in Brazil, cheating spouses use the expression, “What the eyes don’t see, the heart doesn’t feel”. The Delphians could have cared less…except when they realized LATER that their actions had consequences. Only then did they “care”. How much? We can only guess. I, personally, think they felt more sorry for themselves than they felt sorry for what they did. Typical human nature.

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          • E*: E* on April 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm said:

            Astree – By your, “Forrest used AESOP,…as a segue…”,…were you referring to this?:
            Plutarch[7] tells us that Aesop had come to Delphi on a diplomatic mission from King Croesus of Lydia, that he insulted the Delphians

            Hi E*,

            There is certainly a lot of interesting information, and controversy, about Aesop.

            However, Forrest did not expect us to know about that, only that Aesop is associated with wisdom… the segue, following his directions, has one move from the place of “heavy loads and water high” to one associated with Aesop, from which one can see the blaze, and all the way to the precise location. ( as others have suggested, the stanzas are not in order ). By the way, just curious here … did Forrest ever make any comments about caves ?

            There are other things associated with wise at that place, for example a place of degrees, but I thought Aesop was the strongest association.

            One could find the blaze without knowing about Aesop, but I thought it was a pretty neta way to do it.

            astree

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          • JC1117 – So,…like I said,…Aesop was murdered,…by the Delphians,…over a WORD,…and that word was, GOLD:

            Having been sent to Delphi with a large sum of gold for distribution among the citizens, he was so provoked at their covetousness that he refused to divide the money, and sent it back to his master.

            I wonder how Forrest feels,…when he sees some of the the blog posts,…that are clearly motivated by a related word,…GREED?

            And I don’t see anything wrong with Aesop’s being labeled a Fabulist,…this link shows he was in good company,…and another I found,…showed that Abraham Lincoln,…was known as a Fabulist, too:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fable

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          • Astree – On your degrees comment,…I am thinking 810 degrees,…for my landmark,…and this symbol: ???

            And Forrest did mention caves,…per this article:

            www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/03/clues-for-finding-forrest-fenn-s-buried-treasure-part-2.html#url=/articles/2013/03/03/clues-for-finding-forrest-fenn-s-buried-treasure-part-2.html

            “Later the family moved from the Fishing Bridge to a campsite in West Yellowstone, which has its own special resonance for treasure seekers. In “Ramblings and Rumblings,” Fenn describes “a secret location” where the family gear was stashed during the off-season. “We just drove the car out into the forest about half a mile, and unloaded everything,” Fenn writes—and it was always there when they returned.”

            Here are a few good links,…about caves,…in the Yellowstone area:

            www.yellowstonestereoviews.com/backcountry/misc.html
            stefa.hubpages.com/hub/A-Guide-to-the-Secrets-of-Yellowstone

            Firehole Canyon Drive:
            Back to the caves, if you keep driving up the road you get into some thick trees where you can’t see anything. Once you pop out of those trees, look straight down into the river. There will be a cave on the waters edge on the opposite side of the river. This cave has bones in it. We aren’t sure what kind of bones those are, but if you figure it out, let me know!

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    • THE DIAMOND AND THE GLOWWORM.

      “A Diamond happened to fall from the solitaire of a young lady, as she was walking one evening on a terrace in the
      garden. A Glowworm, who had beheld it sparkling in its descent, soon as the gloom of night had eclipsed its lustre,
      began to mock and to insult it. ” Art thou that wondrous thing that vauntest of such prodigious brightness ? Where
      now is all thy boasted brilliancy? Alas, in evil hour has fortune thrown thee within the reach of my superior blaze!”

      “Conceited insect,” replied the diamond, ”thou owest thy feeble glimmer to the darkness that surrounds thee ; know
      my lustre bears the test of day, and even derives its chief advantage from that distinguishing light, which discovers
      thee to be no more than a dark and paltry worm.”

      One blaze by day, another by night.

      Halogetter

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    • Astree – That just reminds me of the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake in San Francisco,…and the much more destructive 1906 Earthquake and Fire. Here is a song from the Eagles’ “Hell Freezes Over” album, called “The Last Resort”,…which always reminds me of stories surrounding that event,…when I hear Don Henley singing it (on the album):

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxhngMm4hqs

      And here is a great vignette of historical photos originally set to this great song,…which delivered the song’s message,…but the creator had to substitute another instrumental song,…because of copyright issues:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZAUn-un-Yc

      The lounge is becoming a great place for me to hang out and listen to music while I read posts,…thanks again, Mike! 🙂

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  29. JC1117:
    Probably not olive oil specifically.The poem mentions “water high” which makes me think of the biblical flood.Noah sent out a dove from the ark to see if there was any land.The dove returned with an olive branch.The olive branch has had a significant meaning in many cultures ever since.

    Correct and the significance is “peace” as in take the chest and go in peace.

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  30. Linz,the trail of history I have been following is involved with hints within the stories and within my search area. There are items within the treasure itself that also relate to that history.
    Many of the stories are available online but having the books would make it easier to uncover the hints.

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  31. .
    I believe I have found a solid connection in the book between the words “creek”, “wise” and “degrees” / “PhD” – surprisingly so, unexpected. The implications are numerous. ( has anyone else found it ? )

    Just heavy loads and water high, If you’ve been wise and found the blaze

    In addition to that connection:

    A common joke for Ph. D is “Piled high and Deep” (heavy loads and water high).

    And again, just as the reference to KIT W(illiams) was buried in Forrest’s recent comment about tight focus on a “Word That Is Key”, there looks to be possible homage to Paul Hoffman D(r Krypton) in the PHD ref. (“Treasure – In Search of the Golden Horse).

    astree

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      • I like most everyone’s thoughts on the chase. I read between the lines on many. Its kind of funny at times. I even go back and read mine from time to time and I laugh. Take this thought for what’s it worth. Someone asked FF what will they see when they quickly look down. I think his answer was “your feet”. So one must start from looking up. Just me thinking. So many post to look at tonight. We should have a Monday Evening Post newspaper….hmmmm I am so much like FF.

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        • I think the question I like best – was if I do this === or if I do this +++ or if I do this = would that work? And FF answer was “yes”. So the guy had no idea which one he was referring to.

          The questions people ask should be well thought out before hand – of course you may not get an answer – and most likely not. I e-mail him occasionally and have never nor will I ever, ask a question and every time he has responded… with I might add – no info – which I did not expect and is only fair.

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          • Once again I ponder. I started to read the poem over and over. Soon I will read the book. It seems now not only is the chest in the Rocky Mountains there is something else at the same spot that he has found or knows about and he will also give you the rights to it as well by telling you what it is. Does that make sense? But, I think I have figured out “the end is ever drawing nigh”. That is the only place besides the blaze. I tried the blaze and it did not produce what I expected but I am too too far. I need to get something closer. I seen some on a Ebay. Just thinking, because I am an Indian Scout and a Saint. Wow, lots of great posts today, it got me going again.

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    • OK, so my brother in law went to my search area for me yesterday. He could not reach what I think is the blaze because of snow. He feels that olives are related to the blaze and it is at a lower elevation. Does anyone have any knowledge of how olive oil symbolizes wisdom? Is it a Jewish belief? I would appreciate any feedback.

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        • I thank you greatly JC, and find the information quite interesting. It’s hard for me to spend time googling while traveling. I just get to check the blog a couple times a day. I did find that in Torah , olive oil represents wisdom. Tekoa a city south of Bethlehem was well known for its olive oil.

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        • I thank you greatly JC, and find the information quite interesting. It’s hard for me to spend time googling while traveling. I just get to check the blog a couple times a day. I did find that in Torah , olive oil represents wisdom. Tekoa a city south of Bethlehem was well known for its olive oil.

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        • Since you listen JC, do you think Forrest says we’ll need a pimento sandwich because that is a hint to the blaze? Olives in some way, shape, form or fashion relate to the blaze. Specifically olive oil?

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          • Probably not olive oil specifically. The poem mentions “water high” which makes me think of the biblical flood. Noah sent out a dove from the ark to see if there was any land. The dove returned with an olive branch. The olive branch has had a significant meaning in many cultures ever since.

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  32. Becky from WV:
    inthechaseto – Please allow me to apologize for my shortcomings. Evidently I am lacking the intelligence, education, worldliness, & deductive reasoning with which many searchers have been blessed. But my mama did teach me to be polite & respectful of others. If you would like to suggest “another type of fun thing” for me to do, I promise to give it proper consideration. For someone who hangs on FF’s every word, you seem to have missed one important rule. “Don’t make the alligator mad until you’ve crossed the river.” Pity. Be afraid, inthechaseto. Be very afraid.

    I am only trying to guide you to a spot, and make you know things are not always as they seem. I am not afraid -never – be assured of that.

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  33. inthechaseto:
    I do not believe the blaze is in the book or the poem.

    what you are saying is logically impossible

    if the blaze is not in the poem or book then we cannot know what it is and therefore we can never know what we are looking for and so finding the chest would be impossible

    if the blaze is only identified in something other than the book and poem then that makes it impossible for Forrest to say everything you need is in the poem

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  34. Becky-
    In my view, when you read “If you’ve been wise and found the blaze”, you’re clued into the blaze which only becomes visible from having all the previous clues aligned. The blaze is contiguous with all previous clue solutions, so now you can know where the blaze is. The poem is the tool to find the blaze.

    I don’t believe the poem drops off at water high, although I can see why you said that- it may seem like the flow of information halts. But, as I see it, heavy loads and water high are several of the clues within the poem which, in part, clue you to the blaze, so you understand what to look for. There are confirming hints to the nature of the blaze within the poem and books.

    Once you’ve found the blaze with the poem, the words that follow “blaze” tell you specifically where to go; a particular spot out there in the field, not a large place to wander around searching for a mark. But “Look quickly down, your quest to cease” makes no sense unless you’ve already found the blaze.

    I believe “The clues can take you right straight to the treasure chest”, like Forrest said, and “I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did.”

    I don’t know if this helps you because I can’t know what your clue solutions are. But this is the way I find the blaze.

    Regarding what others have just said nearby:

    inthechaseto: “I do not believe the blaze is in the book or the poem.” I agree the blaze is not “in” the book or poem, but you use the poem to find it.

    colokid: “I believe it is found in both.” I believe it is found “with” both (or utilizing both).

    chris yates: “The poem and the book have clues as to what the blaze is and what it looks like.” I agree with this, and the “looks like” aspect is important.

    becky from WV: “If anyone finds the correct blaze, wouldn’t they also have the treasure?” I don’t think so; you need one more thing.

    So what do you think?

    SYand42lbsHeavier,
    Halogetter

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  35. Becky from WV:
    inthechaseto – Please allow me to apologize for my shortcomings. Evidently I am lacking the intelligence, education, worldliness, & deductive reasoning with which many searchers have been blessed. But my mama did teach me to be polite & respectful of others. If you would like to suggest “another type of fun thing” for me to do, I promise to give it proper consideration. For someone who hangs on FF’s every word, you seem to have missed one important rule. “Don’t make the alligator mad until you’ve crossed the river.” Pity. Be afraid, inthechaseto. Be very afraid.

    So it’s nice to know you are the alligator – didn’t mean to make you mad – I’ve already crossed the river. Maybe finding heart rocks would be a better hobby for you.

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  36. Anyone – I need help. How do I know what kind of a blaze? Marks on a tree, on a rock, on a wall, etc? There’s nothing in the poem to distinguish one from another – just a blaze. I’m unable to hit a target that I can’t see & I don’t even know what I’m looking to find. I don’t consider a waterfall to be a blaze or a crack in a rock wall or even a sign – so what is it? How do we know what is a blaze to FF?

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    • Becky we dont know. That is one of the things he uses to make us think. Many are using landmarks, cravings in trees, petroglyphs, heck they might even be using white spots on an animals face. I am using the trail of history which runs through the book as my blaze.

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      • deb – FF says to follow the clues & go right to the treasure. Hard to believe he wouldn’t give us an inkling of what we should find after the water high. It’s like the poem just drops off & we’re supposed to randomly search for some unknown blaze. That can’t be right, can it? FF says find the blaze, then look down, & voila – there’s the treasure. That means the blaze is up somewhere on something. Definitely not an eternal flame – like on JFK’s grave in Arlington. Furthermore, anyone who says they found the blaze is just guessing it’s the correct one. I think that’s very foolish because FF says “find the blaze, there’s the treasure”. If anyone finds the correct blaze, wouldn’t they also have the treasure?

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          • astree – I think that’s what the poem implies. If you’ve … found the blaze, look quickly down (not go forward or move to another location), your quest to cease – done, it’s over, fini). Then of course take the chest – which I think is right there – & leave with it. Seems to me the treasure is right below the blaze. If not, then where do you go from there? Isn’t that the end? Not the end of the poem, but the end of your search?

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        • Hi Becky –

          FF never said find the blaze and go right to the treasure. Listen to him every carefully.

          If treasure hunting or Mr Fenn, makes you mad – perhaps you need another type of fun thing to do.

          I don’t think any of us are randomly searching for anything. We are following the instructions in the poem, the book, the interviews, other things he writes and any place where the clues lead us. I thought you had been around here long enough to by this time, have formulated some kind of a plan.

          If not, start at the beginning.

          I wish you the best of luck. 🙂

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          • inthechaseto – Please allow me to apologize for my shortcomings. Evidently I am lacking the intelligence, education, worldliness, & deductive reasoning with which many searchers have been blessed. But my mama did teach me to be polite & respectful of others. If you would like to suggest “another type of fun thing” for me to do, I promise to give it proper consideration. For someone who hangs on FF’s every word, you seem to have missed one important rule. “Don’t make the alligator mad until you’ve crossed the river.” Pity. Be afraid, inthechaseto. Be very afraid.

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        • i agree with what Becky said the poem says find the blaze and there will be the treasure

          depends on what you mean by there or how nearby, i think we are talking like 500 to 1500 feet away which is close relative to how far you went to get there, so if you find the blaze then you are in the general place

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        • Becky it sounds like you have a good mom. Listen everyone starts this search learning, and as you research the more things seem to fall in place. If you have ttotc book it is a big help but is not needed to understand your questions. Look at past blogs here and some of the other sites, i know they go all over the place but some tend to go in the right direction. As you see there is a lot of out of the box thinking and I believe that is what is needed. To me the poem and book put you in the right area but the exact spot where the blaze comes into effect is when your feet are on the ground and in that conclusion area. We all guess what it is and I have my guess too but until I’m there it is just a guess. I will find out hopefully pretty soon if I’m right on my research. But Becky do your best and there are hints spread through out these post. Good luck in you quest. Bur

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        • Well Becky, my questions to you are have you been out to search?
          Did you find the treasure under your chosen blaze?

          Why do you think any of us have more answers than you do?

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        • Becky,
          IMHO – there are hints as to where to go after you solved water high. I am sure when the solution is finally revealed that it will be obvious that the answers were tight there. It only makes sense that he says it will take you right to it.

          I disagree about the blaze if found that you would have the treasure. Here are a couple examples for you to ponder:
          1) You find the blaze but realize it is buried and you do not have the means to dig it up. You travelled a long distance and it is your last day of travel. This happened on my first search and I had to return with proper equipment.
          2) The blaze is in a sensitive area, you need to dig it up but are not sure about the laws or ownership of the trove.
          3) The place is guarded or has security and or people around. You need a plan to now retrieve it.

          The Wolf

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      • Hey there Deb, Just a thought does the trail of history relate to the items that Forrest has placed in the chest by any chance …. I don’t have the books too difficult to organise here Australia but was something that crossed my mind to look into.

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        • Linz , I was going to say top on the morning to you but I see it’s time for you to call it a night. I know you directed your question to Deb but maybe other opinions might help you too. Linz the so called trail of history as far as I can see does not relate to what’s “in”the chest , but there is one article in it that as to say shines on the map in TTOTC book map. There is a better map on agypsyskiss.com look for the map -new mexico 1895. There are a couple of indeed hints on it but they are very hard to see so research is the key. If by chance you are planning a trip over here in the near future you might want to make sure the mountains are clear of snow and what I seen on my last searchs in both Wyoming and Colorado they were pretty good after May 8th last year but our weather does change so check weather channels in your search areas. Stay cool and enjoy this chase. Bur

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          • Thanks Bur, Yes getting late here its 11.30pm but I am definitely a night owl! I will be sure to take a look at the map. Unfortunately no chance of a trip over for me just a bit too far to travel.

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  37. It’s good to see posts on this page because I’m at this part of solving the poem; if my theory is right that is. What’s puzzling me at this point is…is this part telling us to look for a blaze or is it congratulating us for finding it in the last stanza.

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  38. A while back, I’ve asked people to have a look at the mirrored picture in Gypsy Magic to see if there is something jumping at them as well.
    No replies yet, so I might as well tell what I think.
    This is what I see under the wise blaze (the fire): I-Q

    Am I crazy? 🙂 🙂

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    • No not crazy, I have seen what appears to be letters of the alphabet in another illustration also. Cant say what it means, dont have any idea.lol

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