Poem 4:4

Just take the chest and go in peace.

93 thoughts on “Poem 4:4

  1. Anna bloom:
    Mike and Bob, the “Draper Museum chest” has been bandied about for years in discussions. Has anyone seen a photo of that treasure chest?? By the way I HAVE MAPPED THE POEM AT THE MUSEUM.

    My theories are only theories, but after meeting personally with Forrest in May (without asking or discussing anything about ttotc) I don’t believe anyone will find his box of gold rocks. Strong intuition and solid reasoning skills tell me that.

    All one has to do is reason well through what forrest says is inside indulgence to realize “no collector” would ever leave the prize possession of his collection … the 2000 yr old Tairona-sinu necklace, or the very personal keepsake necklace from Wolfe for a redneck stranger to melt down or sell off. IT DOESN’T ADD UP.

    I believe he’s a good guy; I believe he wants everyone to enjoy the great outdoors; I believe he has a different plan than what he states publically that “he isn’t ready to talk about yet.” I believe he may have alter-personalities which surface on the blogs to play the game; I believe that in 1988 when he began building his current home he planned for it to be a museum, which would be a wonderful way to share his collection with like-minded enthusiasts. I wish forrest and his family all the best; I pray for the safety of all involved.

    Just my own thoughts.

    Anna, the chest at the Draper is not a treasure chest. its a large wooden box with the letters IN stenciled on the lid. as in “brave and IN the wood”
    i can email you a photo if you want to see it. you wont find a photo anywhere else. there are none on the museums website. this chest is not included in a virtual tour of the Draper. not even the archaeology display in which it sits. the only way to view this chest is to go to the museum. or, i have a photo i took in 2013.

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  2. Lisa Cesari:
    Anna – Maybe I didn’t make myself perfectl-E-clear:

    My name is Elizabeth Anne Cesari. Named after Queen Elizabeth and her mother, Anne Boleyn. I am and always was the blog personality formerly known as E asterisk. Full disclosure. And I am glad to be back here on Mike’s blog. Thank you, Mike.

    And I love this Acrostic Poem by E.A. Poe, speaking of Elizabeth backwards and forwards:

    www.eapoe.org/works/poems/acrstca.htm

    In that case E, it’s great to see you back as L’e’sa. Are you still
    Etch-e-sketching solutions north of Hebgen Lake utilizing trout outlines?
    Looks like you are from Forrest’s old summer haunt in Idaho. How long have you lived near Sun Valley?

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    • Anna – It is so good to be able to share here with you at Mike’s again! And yes, I love to get on mytopo and look down at that great trout outline boundary surrounding my spot. But I haven’t done that lately, cuz I’ve been too busy hiking and using Google Earth to do 3D modeling so I don’t get lost out there. All good practice for The Chase, and I’m in great shape. I could probably outrun My Grizz right about now! I have been trying to get my friend, Brad, from the library to go with me, carrying a Savage 300 rifle, but no go so far. Isn’t it nice that I have a friend named Brad now, too? I guess Angelina Jolie dumped hers…

      And I have enjoyed living in Sun Valley for 17 years, and hope to have you and others from The Chase visit me here someday. Maybe Forrest will come here for his birthday, since we’re celebrating the passover of the Solar Eclipse… it’s going to be crowded though!

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  3. Mike:
    Ok. So perhaps the poem is the story of Fenn’s life, from conception to death- fromputting in below the home of Brown to going in peace?

    the poem can be interpreted as such, yes i think so Mike.
    maybe this is the one important possibility that Forrest talked about a while back that no searcher, to his knowledge had considered. the end of his rainbow. of all the beautiful places searchers have written about, would he be buried at any of those places? i dont think so.
    go in peace
    rest in peace
    pillowed down and scented in.

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  4. Mike:
    You are expecting an inheritance, aren’t you?

    not holding my breath Mike…i have learned to live my life peacefully and expect nothing. this way i’m never disappointed. and if something comes my way unexpectedly, that makes it even more enjoyable.

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  5. Mike:
    “Two can keep a secret of one of them is dead”. Is the dead one Forrest?

    i refuse to speak about the end of his rainbow.

    sgt. Shultz….”i know nothing! NOTHING!!!”

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    • mike, he never said he would.
      he gives us title to the gold. the poem itself is title. the gold is anywhere in the great outdoors the poem sends you.

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        • mike, i would say all of those terms apply.

          and here’s the kicker, remember he said in TTOTC following the poem leads to his treasure and the end of his rainbow?
          i have already established this treasure he speaks of is the great outdoors but what about the end of his rainbow? this must be his own death. and i believe we are all in for a big surprise at his funeral. wait and see. all the naysayers will be silenced and awed.

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  6. bob:
    lets look at this line. why does Forrest use the word “just”?why not say– “take the chest and go in peace”. why is it “just take the chest”.does this imply the taking of the chest is easy? a simple matter of “just” picking it up and walking away? but that cant be, due to the fact that the chest weighs 42 pounds couple that with the fact that you have been tromping around in the wilderness for hours looking for the blaze. you are tired, maybe even cold and wet and hungry. no,no you will not “just” take the chest and go in peace. now is when the difficulties really begin. well, that is if you were wise (not). lol

    how about these instead of “just”,insert any synonym…

    absolutely take the chest
    completely take the chest
    totally take the chest
    perfectly take the chest
    utterly take the chest
    wholly take the chest
    thoroughly take the chest

    all these are a viable replacement for “just” implying ease of removal.

    now lets replace “just” with a word that best fits the typical searchers predicament…..
    dig up the chest and go in peace
    remove the chest and go in peace
    extract the chest and go in peace
    withdraw the chest and go in peace
    clench the chest and go in peace
    retrieve the chest and go in peace
    pick up the chest and go in peace

    all of these represent physical labor whereas the word “just” does not.

    why forrest used the word just is because it is a simple task…”just” take (a photo) the chest and go in peace.
    peacefully, not much effort. no physical labor. no digging.

    I think.

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  7. the chest of the poem is not the bronze box of goodies.

    a 10″x10″x5″ box is barely bigger than a cigar box, hardly a chest. look up the definition of a chest.
    in fact nowhere in TTOTC does FF state that following the poem will lead to the bronze box. he states..”will lead to the treasure and the end of my rainbow.” maybe this is the reason for publishing the dimensions of the bronze box. you can assume that treasure/chest and bronze box are one in the same, but i dont.

    this fact will come in handy in the event of courtroom appearances brought on by wrongful death lawsuits.

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    • Bob, I agree with your wording ideas regarding “chest”. The link I’ve posted shows twin bluffs at Big Sky Montana which resemble a woman’s cleavage or “chest.” Note the paddle shape between them up the dry gulch and large Elizabethan E on left hillside. Ironically the public road which accesses this Private Property is called Plank road. Of course the treasure chest sits on a plank in the photos. The address is 1413 which coincides well with ttotc. Furthermore the property Is conserved with a public trail passing through it and also public waterway passing through it. The property division nearest the large E is shaped like a war club or “war – arm” where warm waters halt.
      At the leading of “E” and another online friend I chased this “chest” property ad nauseum. It ain’t there!

      caltopo.com/map.html

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      • of course the bronze box wasnt there Anna. the bronze box is not out in the wilderness to be found and never was in my opinion. how else can FF state that “no one will stumble on to it” or…”i hope it isnt found for a thousand years”.

        the only way he can make statements like these is if the bronze box was never out there to be found.

        it is the CHEST of the poem that is out there to be found. something completely different from the bronze box.

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        • Fenn LOVES mis-direction and he uses it like a magician, so I don’t doubt that “chest” and “treasure” are two different things. But what do you think he means by “take the chest”? I know….take a picture, right? Oh, now I remember- it’s the chest in the Draper museum, right?

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          • Mike and Bob, the “Draper Museum chest” has been bandied about for years in discussions. Has anyone seen a photo of that treasure chest?? By the way I HAVE MAPPED THE POEM AT THE MUSEUM.

            My theories are only theories, but after meeting personally with Forrest in May (without asking or discussing anything about ttotc) I don’t believe anyone will find his box of gold rocks. Strong intuition and solid reasoning skills tell me that.

            All one has to do is reason well through what forrest says is inside indulgence to realize “no collector” would ever leave the prize possession of his collection … the 2000 yr old Tairona-sinu necklace, or the very personal keepsake necklace from Wolfe for a redneck stranger to melt down or sell off. IT DOESN’T ADD UP.

            I believe he’s a good guy; I believe he wants everyone to enjoy the great outdoors; I believe he has a different plan than what he states publically that “he isn’t ready to talk about yet.” I believe he may have alter-personalities which surface on the blogs to play the game; I believe that in 1988 when he began building his current home he planned for it to be a museum, which would be a wonderful way to share his collection with like-minded enthusiasts. I wish forrest and his family all the best; I pray for the safety of all involved.

            Just my own thoughts.

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      • Anna Bloom – I love the location ad theory you posted above. Keep chasing it, in my opinion. And who is this “E” person, anyway??? An Elizabethan E??? Perhaps….or maybe she actually goes by a shortened version of her formal name,…aka. Lisa?!

        Nice to finally meet you, Anna. 🙂

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  8. lets look at this line. why does Forrest use the word “just”?
    why not say– “take the chest and go in peace”. why is it “just take the chest”. does this imply the taking of the chest is easy? a simple matter of “just” picking it up and walking away? but that cant be, due to the fact that the chest weighs 42 pounds couple that with the fact that you have been tromping around in the wilderness for hours looking for the blaze. you are tired, maybe even cold and wet and hungry. no,no you will not “just” take the chest and go in peace. now is when the difficulties really begin. well, that is if you were wise (not). lol

    how about these instead of “just”, insert any synonym…

    absolutely take the chest
    completely take the chest
    totally take the chest
    perfectly take the chest
    utterly take the chest
    wholly take the chest
    thoroughly take the chest

    all these are a viable replacement for “just” implying ease of removal.

    now lets replace “just” with a word that best fits the typical searchers predicament…..
    dig up the chest and go in peace
    remove the chest and go in peace
    extract the chest and go in peace
    withdraw the chest and go in peace
    clench the chest and go in peace
    retrieve the chest and go in peace
    pick up the chest and go in peace

    all of these represent physical labor whereas the word “just” does not.

    why forrest used the word just is because it is a simple task…”just” take (a photo) the chest and go in peace.
    peacefully, not much effort. no physical labor. no digging.

    I think.

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      • inthechaseto- well, the other just, taken in context, could be replaced with “only”. as in …Only heavy loads and water high.

        just take the chest would be an action and just heavy loads is a descriptor.
        so those are two very different usages of the word just.

        to answer your question though, nothing. im not doing anything with the other capital J.

        I think.

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        • That’s cool Bob –

          I did notice that with each word “just”, there is also the word “and” in the sentence.

          In fact every stanza has the word “and”…so, it’s my thinking that it would be OK to put some of the words together – to make Justin or Justice or both.

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    • Bob, I always liked your solve and the way you discussed it made all the sense you could ask for. But the only thing for me was the “not associated with a structure” clue. Since we’re friends (right), and what you say is true, and your in his will to receive the bounty- could you at least pay for all the drinks at Chili’s next time we meet and could I throw in a appetizer too on you? LOL. Bur

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      • Hey Bur, on Dals blog you can read the cheat sheet to get the full quote about the structure. nowhere in Forrest Fenn’s comments will you read about the bronze box. he always uses the word treasure. and treasure means a national park. his treasure, a national park or the great outdoors is not associated with a structure. thats what he means. Forrest never mentions the bronze box for a reason. its a huge part of the ruse.

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    • JUSTify the poem right
      JUSTify the poem left.
      I justify myy opinion with ffactual evidence… Take a look at the map in tftw justified left rather than centered as originally posted in ttotc. Drop it into a grid and maps will surface .

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  9. Well, here I wait in Fargo for my flight back to Colorado. The PEACE garden state….
    I am very impressed with the area. I did my research and it was a positive few days. Oh what a THRILL. THE POEM…. THE POEM ….THE POEM.

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  10. This line perceives me at times as I stand here looking at no place.
    The innocuous incident made me wonder how important an average individual could be in the whole scope of life. We all live in the small cocoon of our own surroundings and a few friends and places. We are victims of our tiny environments. We stop when the light is red and pay the gas bill when it is due. Strangers move in and out of our lives, only to punctuate the moment with something useful, like a waiter or the paper boy. The human mind somehow wonderfully conjectures that the body in which it resides is important. It is constantly judging others and identifying faults without relating them to itself. In many ways we are but sheep following the dictates of other minds, many of which are not as fruitful as our own. So, is there a deeper meaning to it all? Can we pour all of the non-physical thoughts and happenings into one cohesive boiling pot that will give us something useful? Could some subliminal gene perhaps be the answer to all that we cannot see but know is there?

    How true for a clue,
    Gene

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    • Wow! All I can say is…Wow! That was awesome, Geydelkon. There are a lot of deep thinkers on The Chase.

      It doesn’t appear like the answers to the problems we face are very simple…which is likely a result of the complex world which we have created. We all seem to be in competition with one another…or, like you mentioned, too preoccupied with our own rat race…trying to find the biggest piece of cheese.

      I find it difficult to even write about this “subject” because it deserves all the attention we as humans can give to it. I mean…there has to be a REASON why we’re all here and faced with these challenges in the first place!

      So now it seems really complicated again. This subject is so important that it deserves volumes and volumes of books in vast libraries written all about it!

      In fact, that’s what we already have.

      The answer is already clear to those who see…and so clichê to the blind.

      www.links2love.com/images/quote_love1.jpg

      www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13

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    • The world is a very complicated place with many layers to it. It is naive to dismiss something offhand that you really know nothing about, and you have never thought about until I posted about it a few days ago. LOL

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    • hey Geydelkon. just saw your post here from almost a year ago. you sure got a lot of questions. i’ll give it a shot.

      if i was you heres what i would do- move to an area of the world that hosts tourism, preferably a warm climate so you dont have a gas bill. you will make many new, interesting friends from all over the world. you dont have to stop at every red light. in my case, my mind only needs my body for two things…mobility and a flow of oxygen rich blood. the deeper meaning is this- do you qualify to live forever? Lets not collect all the thoughts, many are worthless. and yes, you gotta have the Gene. (thats you my friend!)

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  11. OH MY GOD.
    What do I have to do to get through to you people?

    Feeding The Griz-
    …I thought I’d show this PHOTO. It was TAKEN by my father….

    Me And The Indian-
    Peggy and I were in high school when her mom TOOK THIS PHOTO…

    Bombs And Charlie-
    …when I SHOWED THIS PHOTO TO MY BOSS,….

    Scrapbook 117-
    ….finally the tusk was completely uncovered and I TOOK THIS PHOTO.

    JUST TAKE THE CHEST AND GO IN PEACE!

    Take a photo of the chest.

    Pick one, there are several. As many chests as the are solutions to the poem. This was his stated goal. To get kids off their hand held games and back to nature. Kids! Bring a camera!

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    • Bob Take a deep breath . Let it out slowly . You will be fine. I will say a picture says a thousand words. Are you FF next to kin ? I don’t think you will inherit what you think . My opinion There is a 5×10 treasure chest . It is there if you can find the there.!!

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      • Woody Bogg! hey its me… Ham Soup. wheres our other old army buddy Aspen Marsh?
        Woody….dont worry about me im fine. no, im not related to Fenn. do you think i would be hanging around here if i was? I’d be suckin that hind tit hard brother if i was a relative! (he’s 87 you know, wont be much longer now).

        naw Woody i aint gettin no inheritance. the old dude will probably send me a bill when this is over just for being a troublemaker. (thats what he calls me) . i dont mind. any attention is better than none.

        Woody how many pairs of boots have you wore out now?

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      • Hey Woody, wish I had known you lived on Flathead Lake.
        I just spent 3 weeks with my parents who live in Bigfork.
        How long have you lived in Sommers?

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    • Astree – How did you miss this ‘EA’ anagram (especially since you mentioned A-leave?):

      Æ (lower case æ)

      Uppercase ash, letter of the Old English (Anglo-Saxon) alphabet, listed in 24th and final position by Byrhtferð (1011). Called æsc “ash tree” after the Anglo-Saxon ? rune.

      I am thinking of Beowulf legends here,…most of which would probably refer to ‘EA’ as being a ‘waterway’? 🙂

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    • Asree – A French GT progression:

      gill > rousseau > stream

      stream – courant, ruisseau, jet, flot, torrent, fleuve
      watercourse – ruisseau, cours d’eau
      creek – ruisseau, crique, couloir
      brook – ruisseau
      beck – ruisseau
      trickle – égouttement, suintement, ruisseau
      fresh – ruisseau, mordu
      gutter – gouttière, caniveau, ruisseau, rigole, drainage
      rivulet – ruisseau, ravine
      rill – ruisselet, ruisseau, rigole, ravine
      bourn – ruisseau
      bourne – ruisseau
      glen – ruisseau, courant
      gill – pêche de poisson, lamelle, ruisseau, quart de pinte
      branch – branche, succursale, section, jet, bras, ruisseau
      runlet – ruisseau

      And then there is:

      gill > lamelle > lamella:

      lamella-noun
      la lamelle – lamella, gill, rhin slice, rhin strip, chip, plate
      la lame – blade, sword, wave, runner, shaft, lamella

      C’est “velae” pour vous? 🙂

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      • Astree – Oops,…I mistakenly spelled that as ‘Rousseau’,…so I’ll add this:

        “How many famous and high-spirited heroes have lived a day too long?”
        Jean-Jacques Rousseau

        That made me think of heroes like Beowulf,…and George Armstrong Custer.

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        • Astree – Hey,…that sounds like “Ash Tree”,…doesn’t it,…Astraea?

          And vgboss will have to get up earlier in the morning,…to beat me to the punch-line,…did you say Wii,…and did he say,…Tiger Woods?:

          www.ea.com/wii

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          • .
            I can’t look at the link now (blocked) but will later – I can already see that it contains so many aspects of the recent dia log

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  12. .
    your quest to CEaSe

    CES

    take THE CHEST and go in pEAce

    CHEST = THE CS

    CS

    astree

    the thrill of the cashe

    the thrill of the ChaSE

    CSE

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    • Astree – I wondered if you knew,…about all these archaic word connections,…for those that you used,…in your anagram study,…of Poem 4:4:

      Origin of CASH

      modification of Middle French or Old Italian; Middle French casse money box, from Old Italian cassa, from Latin capsa chest — more at case
      First Known Use: 1593

      www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/case

      Origin of CASE

      Middle English cas, from Anglo-French case, chase, from Latin capsa chest, case, probably from capere to take — more at heave
      First Known Use: 14th century

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  13. .
    “Just” take the chest and go in peace

    A few notes:

    1) ACE – in pEACe, seems to indicate the trove has been recovered
    2) ACE – from word ‘AS’ (first word of poem, the end to the beginning), meaning take ( ) as a unit
    3) making the substitution of ‘AS’ for ‘ACE’ results in
    PASE, which means PASS
    4) likewise, the end-acrostic of ‘gO iN peacE’ is ONE / ACE

    astree

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    • astree: 3) making the substitution of ‘AS’ for ‘ACE’ results in
      PASE, which means PASS
      4) likewise, the end-acrostic of ‘gO iN peacE’ is ONE / ACE

      Also, the end letters of

      anD gO iN peacE

      DONE

      and somewhat circumstantially supporting the discussion last week-end that the CHEST also has anatomical ref, are the end letters of the first four words of this line.

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    • astree: 4) likewise, the end-acrostic of ‘gO iN peacE’ is ONE / ACE

      working with the phrase some more

      GO IN PeacE

      ONE – last letters
      PIG – first letters ( because one has taken the chest ?)

      PIGEON

      like ACE, can also refer to a card

      “a card, acquired in the draw, that greatly improves a hand or makes it a winner. ”

      dictionary.reference.com/browse/pigeon?s=t

      (VGBOSS – I will try to get to your post later today)

      Be Well,
      astree

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    • .
      Forrest has hidden his signature in various ways, in the book. Here is something, though, that caught my eye.

      “GO” in “PEACE”

      PE GO ACE

      PEG o’ ACE

      Isn’t Forrest wife’s name Peg ?

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      This 4th stanza contains all letters except the elusive “X”.

      While “GO” can be “EXIT”

      “X” IT

      Conspicuous by it’s absence.

      astree

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  14. .
    “Just take the chest and go in peace”
    ……………………..

    This remark from chasechat , I’ll add to it

    www.chasechat.com/chat/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=1133.0#postid-23397
    go (g?)
    n.
    A Japanese game for two, played with counters on a board that is ruled with 19 vertical and 19 horizontal lines.

    …………………

    The word “go” is also Japanese for “5”, which are the number of letters in “peace”.

    As well, to go in ‘pEACe’ is the word ACE

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  15. Bob:
    This line is instructing you to “take the chest” or, take a photograph of the THE chest and go.

    THE chest is not the bronze box. The chest here is the one at the McCracken exhibit at the Draper museum.

    THE chest which contains THE blaze, which is a Ground Penetrating Radar Unit.

    THE blaze: “look quickly down”

    A Ground Penetrating Radar unit uses of course, radar waves which travel at the speed of light, hence “look quickly down”

    “but tarry scant (stay short) with marvel gaze (wonder look)” this describes what we do at a museum as we move from display to display, with camera in hand.

    Oh that’s right… I forgot about the museum and the wooden box. I just can’t seem to make that fit with where the poem is leading me. But I’m still waiting for the photos of that ground penetrating thing-a-ma-jig or du-hickey, or whatever it is that’s in the box.
    jdh

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    • Jdh- the poem is Forrest’s get out of jail free card. Poems by nature, metaphorical. That, combined with Forrest’s use of the double entendre…. Well, I’m free now. Enjoying the thrill of others chases.

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  16. This line is instructing you to “take the chest” or, take a photograph of the THE chest and go.

    THE chest is not the bronze box. The chest here is the one at the McCracken exhibit at the Draper museum.

    THE chest which contains THE blaze, which is a Ground Penetrating Radar Unit.

    THE blaze: “look quickly down”

    A Ground Penetrating Radar unit uses of course, radar waves which travel at the speed of light, hence “look quickly down”

    “but tarry scant (stay short) with marvel gaze (wonder look)” this describes what we do at a museum as we move from display to display, with camera in hand.

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  17. Jim:
    I don’t see any clues here and think its value is on the surface. Every journey like a story has a beginning and an end and I think this line is it.

    Then you’re missing the most obvious meaning. He’s referencing his flying days. Go in peace. Peace can mean a state of concord. The British Concord. Although it’s retired, the reference is to flying first class, because now you can afford it.

    Yes, it’s a joke.
    It’s the only line I have not found a 2nd meaning to… but I’m still working on it.

    jdh

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    • 🙂 JDH,

      Try Lewis & Clark travel area, , handing out 80 PEACE MEDALS (90 in total created) to indian / native american Chiefs for goodwill friendship, they came in 5 different sizes ( importance of Chief) with Thomas Jefferson image on coins. Maybe they lost a coin or 2 in the mountains of Montana, would be a nice find if 1 was found [ this is not about digging up any Native American Chief burial ground ] that was lost in the rough traveling conditions they encountered

      🙂 MSSBFL
      🙂 TGC&CS.

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  18. .
    Just take the chest and go in peace

    Just take the chest and go in rf peace

    go in preface ?

    Not suggesting it is vital to the solution, but looks interesting.

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      • That is exactly the kind of thinking that I think will crack this thing. Fenn loves to play with words, and is a master of misdirection. This is something that would be caught easier if the poem was read to you (while you use your imagination) than if you just read it yourself. Thanks CH.

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        • Mike, hi. I’m curious about something. Why does everyone keep saying things like FF is a master of misdirection. Are there any examples of him misdirecting in a masterful way (aside from the poem) that you could cite? I’m not trying to be a smart@$$ here or anything, I’m just genuinely curious.

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