Stanza 6

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

204 thoughts on “Stanza 6

  1. HEAR ME ALL LISTEN GOOD!
    YOUR EFFORT WILL BE WORTH THE COLD!

    The time to search is now.
    Doesn’t anyone see this? Don’t sit by the fire, don’t make plans to search next spring. This line of the poem tells us to go in the winter. The bronze box cannot be found in spring or summer. Just ask Tom H. Perhaps he is correct about vegetation blocking a view. Not necessarily the view of the box, but the view of WWWH or HOB.

    This guy gets it…

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  2. The two lines effort worth cold and brave and in wood are referencing a winter hunt. It’s easier to track animals in the snow, see their footprints, which marks the trail, the blaze.

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  3. hiimspidey:
    ff may have delayed giving title to avoid claims by a property owner or entity, because the treasure was found on their land. This way there could be no claim that it was ever lost; and in the case of the treasure being found after his death…it would be considered part of Fenn’s estate until found…..my best guess…. it’s in a right of way of some sort.

    Hi Spidey –

    That’s a good thought – I also think his asking for the bracelet back has something to do with it.

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  4. I love the way Forrest uses words to have more than one meaning at the same time. I believe I finally understand this stanza. 🙂

    Things are not always as they appear, dont play it too safe. Dont be afraid to defy the majority. Imagination will win in this game. 🙂

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  5. .
    To summarize current status:

    Spent the last several months on the alst few lines of the Stanza 6 ( he threw up a tremendous hidden path-blocker, of sorts, at the end).

    Believe to have completely traversed the intended route, in so doing generated 9 clues.

    Going forward, to use the information gathered along the route, to understand the intended meaning of the clues.

    astree

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    • Astree-

      So Forrest “threw up” a tremendous…?! Hope he’s feeling better now.

      At the end what may be a “hidden path-blocker” may also be a wormhole to the blaze…

      And regarding “Spent the last several months on the last few lines of Stanza 6”- imagine how many man/woman days that all of the experienced searchers may have spent on each line? I wonder who’s going to end up with the most-read poem of all time. Sure aren’t just passing this vale…

      SYand42lbsHeavier,
      Halogetter

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      Thank-you for the well wishes, inthechaseto .

      Halogetter .. 🙂

      I saw a men’s testoterone supplement called “T-UP”, too. That’s the term my daughters use when they got an upset stomach and about to …… lol. Forrest must have some great intestitude, or something like that.

      “vale” … noticed that before, too. What’s that, a place to ski?

      astree

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      clues are severally tasked

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      While researching the route, believe I have ID’d at least one of the hunters who was within 500 feet. ( male ). Mr. Fenn also includes himself , not clear if he is one of the two he mentioned.
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      Toughest level now .. he appears to want the hunter to make periodic trips to the nearby waterway, to retrieve / identify / find objects. These are at very precise locations, AND NOT ANYTHING DANGEROUS. May not be necessary to task a satellite, or make the trip, to get the info, much of it seems to be available on the computer, and other places.

      astree

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      Transitioned to 4th level of decod, hopefully the last. Seems to be moving rather quickly, when I can find time for this great… masterful, actually… puzzle.

      Much new info coming out, clarifying and adding to previous levels. For example, “look quickly” also seems to contain an element of velocity at that area.

      astree

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      Blown away at Level 3, jaw-dropping amazed at Level 4.

      One of the things I really enjoy, as background material, is that a guy who started out life ( by his account ) not doing so well in school, has gone on to do the things he has in life, and produced this puzzle. He is such an extremely brilliant and talented individual.

      astree

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        • Bur made a possible connection to COLD as the Bronze chest, bronze feeling cool or maybe cold to the touch, maybe ‘in the wood’ could mean you have the chest open, It is lined with wood, so if you have it open, the treasures are in the wood lined chest, when you see the gold, its yours, he gives you title to it.

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          • Meant to add>>>> when you see the gold in the wood lined chest, its yours, he gives you title to it then. There is NO reason to give you title to it before that.

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          • ff may have delayed giving title to avoid claims by a property owner or entity, because the treasure was found on their land. This way there could be no claim that it was ever lost; and in the case of the treasure being found after his death…it would be considered part of Fenn’s estate until found …..my best guess…. it’s in a right of way of some sort.

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    It was mentioned, I believe in the “News” thread, that Forrest quoted the first verse of “Invictus” at the end of his Nov 2 Moby Dickens appearance.

    In addition to his repeated demonstration of his knowledge base, it is also Interesting for several reasons.

    One of these is that the poem is dedicatoin “ToRTHB”, is only one letter off from

    B WORTH (your effort will be worth the cold).

    astree

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      Also, as “Invictus” means “unconquered”, is there a reference to the Chase?

      In “Victus” as well, meaning “in food”, Forrest you are so funny .

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    • To RTHB means to Robert Thomas Hamilton Bruce, who was a Scottish merchant, presumably a dear friend and patron of Henley’s, as Henley dedicated numerous other works to him as well.

      Regarding B WORTH, I won’t comment on that. But adroit call.

      Curious that Forrest just broke into this poem stanza by Henley, without noting the author. But that’s nothing new, as Forrest has even mis-credited other works in TTOTC, and the poem has been quoted by so many other noted persons, from McCain to McVeigh to MLK, and ravaged by some.

      It’s likely that Forrest has known Invictus for a very long time, or has he recently resurrected it? Either way, apparently he held it ready to launch.

      Henley’s quatrains are almost mathematically perfect, unlike the noted variants in Forrest’s poem. And yet his use of capitals curiously echoes him.

      M. Gardner wrote, “The poem (Invictus) is a favorite of those people who see themselves and the human race as unconquerable masters of their fate in a mindless universe that cares not a fig for what happens to them.” If this doesn’t spark connections to Forrest’s feelings as expressed in TTOTC regarding fate and remembrance, perhaps you need another turn.

      SYand42lbsHeavier,
      Halogetter

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  7. Here is a thought.
    I posted on Stanza 3 thread, a possible theory that “heavy loads” is portaging a canoe, up to a lake where you need it to reach an isolated island.

    What if “heavy loads”, “putting in” and being “in the wood” are just hints toward a virtual canoe, but in reality it’s a protected lake and no watercraft is allowed.
    Then consequently, you can access the treasure island only in winter, therefore it’ll be worth your cold.
    Again: just a theory, and a chance for me to say “treasure island”… I’m Kidd(ing) of course 😉

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  8. Considering the fact that Forrest couldn’t remember this stanza (and having worked on the poem for 15 years), I think it’s safe to assume that it is not that important, really. Probably no hints in it.

    If I’m not mistaken, even after reading the first verse, he still continued to read the rest of them.
    I would argue that shouldn’t have been the case.
    Usually if I cannot remember a stanza in a poem (or a song), it’s enough if someone gives the first few words, to remember the rest of it
    I think this applies to all of you. Right?

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    • Hi Liv –

      There could be a few things here in stanza 6 –

      Hear me all and listen good – sounds to me like a town crier on his soap box. So I researched the history of “here ye here ye”.

      In the 1800’s they would have the town crier – announce the end of salmon fishing season.
      And he would do it by ringing a bell —hummmm along with his bellowing voice.

      And that’s just the first line. Remember he said every word was placed for a reason.

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    • In at least one interview, when asked about the clues, Forrest volunteers the “in the wood” as a possible clue, so I think that is important, maybe not an official clue, but important.

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      Liv said:

      ” Considering the fact that Forrest couldn’t remember this stanza (and having worked on the poem for 15 years), I think it’s safe to assume that it is not that important, really. Probably no hints in it”

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      Hi Liv,

      Could you point to the information source, where it says that Forrest couldn’t remember this stanza ?

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      On a sort of side note, which I now find a greater curiosity: From stanza 5,

      “I’ve done it tired and now I’m weak”

      One of the side answer(s), not the main one to the puzzle, which Forrest said is “LIV” (not a typo) … ( he has lived, and now he’s weak) …

      I believe that he was in his 50’s when diagnosed with the cancer, and although LIV = 54 Roman, I am not sure that was his age.

      But it’s mine.

      astree

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    • No liv, I think this stanza is very important. Nobody should throw out any part of the poem, it all has a purpose.
      Most throw out the first and last stanzas, big mistake!

      Just my opinion… deb

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    • astree

      Don’t know if you posted this – since I miss a lot of posts, but cold can also be a virus 🙂

      How it could possibly be related to this search haven’t got a hint, but if there’s any relevance someone like yourself would find it.

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      • Thanks ltj. Nice to explore all possibilities, I will keep that one in mind..

        Also, ” Your effort will be worth “the” … cold.

        There is a claimed quote by Forrest, now circulating this site, which I believe is being tied to ” worth the cold ” ( the quote relates to snow getting in the way ).

        Doesn’t make sense to me, as the implication is that one needs to wait until the cold is over, so it would be worth the warm / hot.

        astree

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        • Astree, I believe Forrest is saying in “worth the cold” – is the bronze chest. In the book TTOTC Forrest was talking to to some students and was letting them touch items in his gallery a George Washington painting and a bronze statue I believe. When the kids touch the bronze in the warm room they told Forrest it was ” cold”. So the bronze is cold even in warm temperatures. Thus your efforts will be worth the “chest”. IMO

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        • Thank-you, Bur. Good reminder, and I believe that is a good link to “the cold”.

          Much of what I post are “asides” to the main puzzle, may be of assistance, but I find interesting non-the-less.

          The bronze as cold, I would consider as such, as it refers to information outside of the puzzle.

          Good Luck,
          astree

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    “Your effort will be worth the cold”

    Worth is also used to imply value, numerical value.

    As previously mentioned, worth “the” (=33) + “cold”(=34).

    “Your effort will be worth 67″

    Quote, p. 67

    ” The long walk home was wet and COLD ..”

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      “Your effort will be worth the cold”

      Worth is also used to imply value, numerical value.

      As previously mentioned, worth “the” (=33) + “cold”(=34).

      “Your effort will be worth 67?

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      At this place along the route, I had been overlooking the single item that is closely associated with the cold item.

      67 = the cold
      67 = ( the numerical value of that item )

      Do not have an understanding of whether is important although it also is art and may somehow relate to Forrest involvement with art for many years.

      astree

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    • astree: astree on December 26, 2013 at 4:28 am said:

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      “Your effort will be worth the cold”
      ( www.ttotc.com/the-poem/stanza-6/s6-line-2/#comment-57601 )

      IWGOLF: page 34
      postmark
      FORT WORTH

      jfoggy:
      32nd degree Mason is freezing and in the wood.

      astree:
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      As previously mentioned, worth “the” (=33) + “cold”(=34).

      Have confirmed that this line of the poem relates to ICE and SNOW, so 32 deg.
      Thsu, sequence 32, 33, 34.

      astree: As previously mentioned, worth “the” (=33) + “cold”(=34).
      “Your effort will be worth 67?
      Quote, p. 67
      ” The long walk home was wet and COLD ..”

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      ( www.ttotc.com/the-chase-0/#comment-85244 )

      Chris Yates: Note that there is a separation of sections, pages 32-33. There is also a separation pages 132-133. I think this is by design as a confirmation that the separation of the numbers 32/33 is important
      In the poem, Stanza 3 L2 tells us what is ‘the end’. It is ‘ever drawing nigh’, or I (s)ever (separating) drawing nigh
      The word numbers for this are 64 (s)ever 65 drawing 66 nigh

      Connect the dots.

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      • 🙂 Astree,

        Cold & Ice, Superman’s “Fortress of Solitude” in the North, his special place…even in Canadian $$ you posted.
        Superman Postmark page 36.
        Place in circle…TEMP…stop halt block
        I used a Blaise Table
        ## 15,
        As dates range from 2 – 28…a difference of 26 (alphabet)
        apply a Ceasar Shift of 2, 15-2=13
        13 alpha letter is M
        so KEY Row on Table is M
        T = H
        E = S
        M = A
        P = D

        Read KEY Column is DASH.

        :)TGC&CS

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    At this place along route, the trail information, in sequence, seems to be instructing to look at see something very specific.

    Still working on interpretation, and reviewing info before and after this place.

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  11. jfoggy:
    Thank you Deb. And the rest for your replies.Good luck! we all need it.Lucky 7. As in # of colors in the rainbow

    Thanks Foggy – I’ll take that seven!
    Hope you can use it too.

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  12. jfoggy:
    Just tried to post long explanation. No ideas about who is. But I’ve always been fan of the number 33 and the s Scottish Rite, I tied it to freezing.Not sure, but rainbows as in girls, works with this to.I think it may have already been posted.Just thought it might help someone.

    thats some good intel, i did some quick googling to learn how the 33 degrees relates to the scottish rite and rainbow girls is a freemason organization also

    if you ever read my post before, i think f establishes keywords smile and dream when he says page 4 story of treasure is true and i hope it brings a smile in your dreams

    there are only 2 pages with smile and dream, page 4 and page 33

    and only 2 pages with smile twice . 4 and 103

    the page 33, the number 33, and it being used in relation to degrees plus some other possible clues, is so obvious i think

    i wont go into all the things on that page but something i just came upon recently is a possible french gold connection

    the scottish rite i noticed has french origin. there is a famous tale of lost french gold in the san juan mountains. notice on the map in the book there is a frog with gold nuggets, and the french were known as frogs.

    on page 33 in the book it starts off saying “i was beginning to learn the value of money …” if you look up this tale of the french gold, many still believe it is out there and the oft tied number to its projected worth you see is 33 million

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  13. I woke up out of a sound sleep last night with the line,
    If you are brave and in the wood,I give you title to the gold. lol
    I finally got that as it applies to what I have found in my solve. Took me long enough! Hahahahaa

    In my solve it is very important to the chase, and to what the chase is about.

    The cold is still a mystery to me though…

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    • Deb ,

      I may be wrong or I maybe right , but my thinking on 0 degrees centigrade and 32 degrees fahrenheit . They are both freezing points . I will leave it up to your imagination of how they might be used .

      Good luck to you on your quest .

      Rebel

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        • Welcome Foggy, yep some fun and intelligent folks here. Am glad you tripped over us. 🙂

          Lots of good ideas here. Make yourself at home!

          I like your ideas about masons. Does it work for you? Hope so.

          deb

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          • Thank you Deb. And the rest for your replies. Good luck! we all need it. Lucky 7. As in # of colors in the rainbow

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          • Just tried to post long explanation. No ideas about who is. But I’ve always been fan of the number 33 and the s Scottish Rite, I tied it to freezing. Not sure, but rainbows as in girls, works with this to. I think it may have already been posted. Just thought it might help someone.

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          • Guess I’m not sure how you properly reply thought I sent you something. Nonetheless, aren’t rainbow girls a masonic youth organization?

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          Hi jfoggy,

          This is one of the reasons I think there may be deeper connections made in the poem. In numerical value, ‘your effort may be

          WORTH THE COLD’
          = worth 33 34.

          astree

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      • @rebel…..I like your train of thought. I am not having any breakthrough thoughts about hear me all and listen good. Could hear me be a clue to big ears. Maybe elephant rocks,…..could listen good be a noisy place, like a train or highway. Or lies in ten……

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  14. Your effort will be worth the cold

    CRACKED … finally !!

    this line has stumped me forever, ive never had any idea what it meant, but now i think i finally solved it

    ive known for the longest time it went with the line, the end is ever drawing nigh, they are both futuristic declarations, and they were both relating to the end of the quest

    but, your effort will be worth the cold, what the heck does that mean, and is it saying how to get to the end (like Line 10 the end is ever ..) or is it giving a characteristic clue about the end …?

    was it saying (1) something different than ‘the end is ever drawing nigh’ or was it saying (2) the same thing, a different way, thereby a confirmation clue of Line 10’s meaning

    the answer, i now think is, #2. it is telling you to go west from there to the end, thereby confirming line 10’s meaning

    Line 10 is telling you to go nigh or left as you look down on a map, that is go west, ‘from there’, to get to the end

    as you head west, you are in a sense, getting colder. you are moving across the lines of longitude, which are what give east/west position, and the degrees decrease as you go.

    moving west in our hemisphere, is increasing the value of the negative number of longitude. so he is saying, your effort, your travel, should be towards the cold, the more minus degrees of longitude, so go west.

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    • Nice read Chris. I enjoyed it very much. Thanks!

      Oh and by the way my “effort will be worth the cold” solve differs from yours a lot.

      Good Luck
      vgboss

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      • I believe that the cold is something else, Chris. But regarding the 32 degrees posts higher up in this thread, the 32nd meridian looks like a pretty reasonable play.

        The 32nd meridian is taken 32 degrees west from Washington , D.C., and is dead on the north/south borders of Utah & Colorado and New Mexico & Arizona. That’s how they created those Borders (and where the book store got its name.. ha). Them states is borderline biddies they is.

        For those of you still on the Green River, CO, trail, this is an alternative wwwh to the Flaming Gorge Dam (or is it a double wwwh, as the clues are often in twos), and from the 32nd meridian just downstream is Browns Hole. From home of Brown it’s no place for the meek; going down that canyon of heavy loads and water.
        Somewhere around this area is also the source of the Fenn Cache, which some people are feeling.
        But alas, I know many have tried…

        SYand42lbsHeavier,
        Halogetter

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    On the map I am using, at this point along the route, there is a bent line – sort of looks like half a swastika. It’s the first one I have run into, although I did see a zig-zag line a while ago ( I think that could mean water).

    Does anyone know what the bent line means ?

    Thanks,
    astree

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      Proceeding from the section of the map where the first bent line appeared … the next section shows multiple such lines.

      This now makes sense in terms of the TAN BELL Forrest displays, it is an indication of ALL BENT.

      Although he has said that a metal detector will not find these, and I believe it based on where he seems to have put them. However, maybe it is an indication of the proving ground, and that he used old bent nails.

      astree

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        “Proceeding from the section of the map where the first bent line appeared … the next section shows multiple such lines.

        This now makes sense in terms of the TAN BELL Forrest displays, it is an indication of ALL BENT.”

        It’s getting sort of surreal at this point. I did not know that maps like this existed before. More and more bent places. A number of forms that could almost be monuments.

        Now the following were not bent, and going from one place in a line to the other, the “monuments” are arranged to spell a question that could be related to geocache ….. I don’t know if thi is s coincidental or not. Sort of reminds me of a garden of the gods.

        astree

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        www.ttotc.com/the-poem/stanza-4/#comment-16416

        Mike wrote:

        Isn’t this also in keeping with Forrest’s tendency to “bend a little” with his words?

        Mike,

        As I have been posting re: Stanza 6, I am running into quite interesting BENT objects at / near the end location ( not sure how far yet ). You see to be making a quote by Forrest – could you repeat back the fuller quote, and source it ?

        I was amazed another recent quote by Forrest, that Chris posted, referencing the first two clues and what they are related to.

        These types of quotes are not necessary to work the puzzle, but find them interesting.

        Thank-you,
        astree

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      • Hi azuredeb,

        There should be a legend associated with the map, but I don’t see it. Unfortunately, I have been googling it quite a bit, but haven’t found the answer yet. Thanks for the advice. I’ll keep looking.

        Good Luck,
        astree

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      Hi azuredeb and linz,

      There was definite use of several anagrams in the previous part of the puzzle ( at least two, one was HUGE ), but I do not believe I ran into an anagram in reference to the route described in this verse – I have a tentative finish on it, but need to confirm the last few lines.

      Linz, re: “Hear Ye”, ” so hear me all and listen good” – as Forrest had mentioned the DIN of the
      HERD, and DIN is also looks like it corresponds to ” hear MEAL l and listen good” – so, not technically an anagram.

      Good Luck,
      astred

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        re: anagrams

        To provide a bit more detail, without giving away too much, and also is a glimpse of Forrest’s genius … at the point in the poem where he refers to ” and leave my trove for all to seek ” …. he is simultaneously leading the puzzler along the route, at this instance he leads one through five place which begin with the letters T-R-O-V-E (not in that order, so you need to seek the anagram of trove, but no extra places that need to be filtered out).

        So, a confirmation that the puzzler is on track, but not a clue. If I recall, there were at least 3 more confirmations to that phrase “and leave my trove for all to seek”.

        Good Luck,
        astree

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        🙂

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oB_Gbz7Ajc

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    This tail end has been toughter than Stanaz 5, for me at least. Tricky for sure, and like latin and west virginia rolled into one.

    astree

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  17. inthechaseto:
    Disagree – I think he put clues to lead you to the chestin the poem and they will take you precisely there.

    I think I know where it is.I know why he put it there.I know when he put it there, I know why he was there and what he did before that. And I know the story behind it all. It’s a love story and if you don’t believe that I’m sorry. So, Iam trying to convince my husband to go now and get it.He said to me, he has never seen me so sure of anything.Any ideas on how I can convince him to go now?He keeps saying I want you to be realistic.

    Inthechaseto, you are 100% on the right track, as I too believe, I have taken my wife searching but came up empty handed before so now she is not interested anymore, so convincing your spouse that you know “for sure” know where the TC is at is very hard to do, so my solve is work some overtime and get the money I need to travel and make that adventure myself. Besides it’s always good to give each other a break, but there has to be trust in your relationship for this to work. Good luck on both, your husband and your fined. Bur

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    • Thanks Bur –

      Good to know I’m not alone. It’s been months of study and also a delight. But we are not there yet. If it’s not in this spot – I’m done, cooked, and kaput. I don’t see how I could ever seclect another spot, so then I would be out of the hunt. If for some unknow reason I can’t find it there – I will print my solve here and you all can have at it and maybe dig deeper that I possibly could. If it is indeed buried deep – that would not be good for me.

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  18. Leslie:
    Please stop looking for the treasure chest, I have solved it. The key lies in you and the answer is Addiction.Email me at leslieannbw@gmail.comHappy to come forward and talk to others!This is not a joke, look at the book jacket and solve the riddle.I look forward to hearing from you!And obviously, this post is for all of you lurkers, like myself!

    Darling Leslie – what a pretty name, Leslie –

    We have created a place here for you – it’s called the couch. Go listen to the doc – in fact I think – now he’s on there twice, that’s 2x times. . Two times ought to be good for your to recovery don’t ya think?.

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    • Please stop looking for the treasure chest, I have solved it. The key lies in you and the answer is Addiction. Email me at leslieannbw@gmail.com Happy to come forward and talk to others! This is not a joke, look at the book jacket and solve the riddle. I look forward to hearing from you! And obviously, this post is for all of you lurkers, like myself!

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    • “if you are brave and in the wood”
      personal speculation at the moment imo,
      Wood refers to bier, as the chest rests upon in the pics of the book.
      That 3′ or 3 1/2′ deep into the earth is buried that bier and that inside there is the bronze chest.
      To be brave means you are gonna have to dig a hole on land you don’t personnaly own.
      It is buried deep enough so not to be found by metal dectector. Inside the bronze box is being protected by the outter Wood box ( bier). The land is park land of some type.
      My second thought on wood means forest, probably a national forest park.

      The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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      • IWGOLF, my pinpoint metal detector beeps a about 8 to 10 inches for something the size of the chest, so 3 to four inches is no problem. Again the chest has been at it’s place for 3 years and Mother Nature has maybe covered it with leaves, grass, branches and yes even dirt with the wind, rain and snow so yes it might not be easy to just see when looking, you might need a metal detector and a probe to locate it. As Mike said at one time ” I will not travel without a metal detector anymore” or something like that. I’m not investigating unless I hear a beep and then it’s time to do what it takes to locate what made it go off. So that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. LOL. Bur

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        • HI BUR,

          Just my thoughts are that it is buried 3 feet or deeper,

          so no one out using a metal detector would accidentialy come across this box,
          especially if they were metal detecting right area and that they never heard of ff,

          by burying it reduces the accidential find and will help insure that a finder will have solved the puzzle, so it lengthens the time the chase goes on,

          and ff comment as to not making it a clue to me is a clue in itself…it keeps him out hot water with government officals if hidden secreted box is on public owned land

          As to use of metal detectors or other tools to assist one in searcing is fine, but don’t want anyone in trouble caught using one in a risky area
          enough risk in being on govt land

          A thought why does the chest have a copy of TTOTC inside
          Anyone who has the book, uses the websites already knows the story…but 1,000 years from now this could have went the way of the dinosauers, but still unfound
          so it seems that ff is confident in the degree of difficulty to solve his puzzle that he includes memoir info that all of us are aware of now for a far future finder

          If he expected the chest to be found in a short peroid of time, it would be found by 1 of those trying to solve puzzle now and the memoir would not be needed

          if noting is accidential and chance finding is eliminated.. no picnic finds
          or metal detecting club users should ever find this chest by accident…the same with hikers, maintence personal, construction workers, etc…

          then there is a specific answer to be discovered that is precise…
          brave enough to risk and dig

          imho
          The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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          • Disagree – I think he put clues to lead you to the chest in the poem and they will take you precisely there.

            I think I know where it is. I know why he put it there. I know when he put it there, I know why he was there and what he did before that. And I know the story behind it all. It’s a love story and if you don’t believe that I’m sorry. So, I am trying to convince my husband to go now and get it. He said to me, he has never seen me so sure of anything. Any ideas on how I can convince him to go now? He keeps saying I want you to be realistic.

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          • Yes I agree you have to be careful when using detectors on government land and I always make sure no ones around my search areas when searching for the TC for obvious reasons, but 3ft I believe is to deep for the chest to be hid by FF and the condition he was in at that time. It’s hid that’s for sure and will take some searching to find it. IWGOLF you do have some good points tho. Bur

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          • I’m relying on my memory on this – which in that case usually means I am wrong 🙂

            However for what it is worth – didn’t ff say about the only thing that would affect the location of the TC would be an earthquake?

            Even less sure he said a fire.

            If that is the case – being buried deep – it would be less a concern.

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  19. .
    So hear me all and listen good

    Forrest’s reading selection includes ” sone “, which is possible for this, since sone is a meausure of sound volume, and begins with the first word of the sentence “SO”

    astree

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    • Hi astree,

      Thanks for all your posts,
      A long time ago, one thing i found interesting is that the military uses
      T (#20)
      to identify ( designations ) aircraft that are
      Trainer: T- 6
      hmm T, color reddish photo caption

      The Golf Chess & Cheese Society

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      • .
        HI IWGOLF,

        Thanks for that. I did find a reference to TRAIN, but not sure how far to take it.

        Will keep it in mind.

        Wishing you well,
        astree

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  20. “So hear me all and listen good” has never really been discussed in detail. My belief is it’s a statement made to prepare for what was to come early on in the Chase. Telling everyone to listen closely to the interviews, statements he made, along with his blog. It appear’s to me to be part of the master plan he has.

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  21. VGBOSS wrote:

    “Hey astree!!! What’s up? Where have you been? Hey listen…you should post that comment of your’s within the Stanza 6 page on this blog and maybe I will respond to it…lol”

    “So why is it that I must go (not addressed here)
    And leave my trove for all to seek ? (not addressed here)
    The answers I already know (lie)
    I’ve done it tired (lie) and now I’m weak” (not addressed here)

    … as in lying down

    www.ttotc.com/2013/06/01/the-9-clues/

    “astree post some dangerous intel!!!”

    Got a few deep-cover operatives working Stanza 6. They refuse intel until we take them off the NOC list.

    Okay … would you believe a few computers hooked up to the internet.

    … how about a 93-year-old librarian with a dictionary … ?

    For you, tootsie ..

    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g396/astree0/Maranatha/Maranatha_NonCore/ToC_Thrill_Letters_05Jun13_zps3c5e7e08.jpg

    ( actually, jammed up at a critical point of the poem )

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  22. “I give you title to the gold.” There is a chance we are out there looking for a key or a combination to a safe deposit box, a la Dan Brown and The Divinci Code where they found the cryptex. Perhaps the Chase doesn’t even end there..

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    • I thought that the chest might just hold a key to a safe deposit box or something like that. It would avoid title issues. I believe Dal finally asked forrest and he said no it is out there.

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      • ok here goes VG with the DANGEROUS INTEL!!!! that you are always putting out feelers for!
        LOL I’ve been see- sawing about even giving this to you guys! OMG!………………. I’m excited!!! LOL
        ok under that running man in your pic number 2, is 3 circles and in the middle one, it looks like a Phillips head screw driver, right?
        Well that lead me to Phillipsburg,MT. and in my quest since I love looking at pictures, always click through the ones on Mapcarta to see where all the things I want to go see are. LOL
        ok so anyway while I was looking at one I noticed the name on the top of a store, so curious, I typed it into google, of course…. ME doe and company… as in Deer a female deer a drop of golden sun, me a name I call myself, Fa, a long, long way to run, lol… aren’t you glad that I’m subjecting you to this story….. LOL
        Soooooo, I then come to how they use to trade. And remember how FF says he likes being in the middle and how he won that bracelet playing pool with the rich guy’s son and heir?…… Well to me that bracelet when I saw the pic of it, looks like a bunch of O’s, all the turquoise beads.
        So if you now go to this link….. you will see what I am talking about…. maybe I shoulda posted this on the marvel gaze stanza page. LOL
        Now remember me…. for sure….www.thetokenstore.com/store.php?seller=TheTokenStore&navt1=25920&navt2=25924&per=5&num=80 when whoever finds it 🙂 lol Hmmmm, what is missing whenever you eat a donut?
        lol loook at the pool page>>>>>

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      • Chaser – Forrest Fenn says words out his mouth but didn’t he say to stick to the POEM! All you need is the POEM is what he has stated when it all started. So why go by what he is currently saying? He said that all you need is the Poem!!! Poem is the truth everything else from him is well…I don’t take it serious….because of what he said in the beginning of it all…ALL YOU NEED IS THE POEM!!!

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        • To each his own VGBOSS. You can go searching in areas below 5000ft elevation, south of Santa Fe, or not in the Rocky Mountains. Knock yourself out. Me? I’ll evaluate every “might be a clue” independently, and make my own judgment on a case by case basis.

          However, the comment “All you need is the poem” was out of Mr. Fenn’s mouth as well (it’s not explicitly stated in the book.) Nevertheless, I believe it is one of the top 3 most important truths for solving this puzzle, but obviously many people disagree.

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          • Chaser thousands upon thousands of people on this Chase are starting their search below 5,000ft elevation. They are starting it on their desktop computers, laptops, cell phones, tablets, and many start their search by going to Santa Fe, NM first….so beginning it below 5,000ft elevation is what majority people, on this Chase, have done and are doing…from there they can go up and up in elevation deeper in the Rockies.

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        • Eureka I have found it! A blog that is. “If you are brave and in the wood” has nothing to do with the physical quest in my opinion. Fenn is going to give you title to the gold in person so in my opinion, this refers to being bold and proud in his office or library or formerly owned bookstore. The blaze is huge! In yer face but you won’t know it! Just my opinion carry on with your searches.

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  23. So hear me all and listen good. Makes it sound like something important is to be revealed here.

    Brave and in the wood is interesting for anagramers.

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