Poem 6:3

If you are brave and in the wood

90 thoughts on “Poem 6:3

  1. this probably belongs under blog buzz but im putting it here.
    over at dals the newest thread is “the key word”
    which is in reference to a statement by Forrest- “few are in tight focus with a word that is key.”

    of all the suggestions of what the key word might be on Dals blog, I dont see anyone talking about the tight focus part. i’ll break it down…. “few” meaning two folks and that is myself and my search partner Zelda. “are in tight focus” that is we took a photo…. “with a word that is key” and that word is IN. this word IN is painted on top of the chest at the Draper Museum. what makes it key is that once you are brave by touring the draper, this word opens the chest for you. it gives you that aha moment. the word IN identifies the chest as the correct one. the are other chests at the museum but only this one has the word IN, PAINTED! on top. the paint has soaked into the wooden chest. we have in fact taken (a photo) of the chest and gone in peace. the backpack he used to hide the chest is still there, in the display. it actually covers the rest of the word. the letters or word IN are only a portion.

    of course i realize none of this makes any sense to anyone other than myself or Zelda because we have been there with boots on the ground….and photographed Harold McCrackens- boots on the ground, right next to the chest…. but two feet away.

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    • Oh Bob looks like you caught that dreaded Fenn virus. The virus shows up in the patient as an overwhelming thought that they are who Forrest is talking about. It causes them to do strange things that could cause them to get arrested or possibly injured . Good luck with your recovery !

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  2. Ahhh…….. Forrest never ceases to amaze me…………

    Today it is about the “WHAT IF’S”…………

    All you have to do is look up “What If’s” on WIKI………..

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Ifs%3F_of_American_History

    and there it is………. The Pitt’s……

    I’ll give you a big clue – it’s not the elder or the younger – You will know immediately if – if you have done the proper research.

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  3. Hey ya all –

    Did ya all just see that game with the Broncos and the Browns – Overtime finale was great – Broncos Won – ya……………Go Co…….

    Speaking of brown – I also along with other things – think it’s a color that’s a hint. Did you see the discussion over at HOD ? The book TFTW has changed colors a few times. Whew – you don’t think that is a clue – I do.
    When I found that one I just sat there in awe…..It’s pretty amazing and something you will never think of in a million years unless you do the extensive research. There are lots of colors of brown – chocolate being one of them – but chocolate – is not it.

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  4. Into, you said,
    “A giant part of me – just like you, does not want this to end either – but I keep saying to myself – if you don’t go get – someone else will and then you’ll be sorry.”

    Exactly. 🙂

    But I’ve also run into a lack of continued interest, or shall I say faith in the chase, from my husband. He’s tired of breaking his back chasing my rainbows.
    I’m thinking of grabbing my daughter and boot scootin’ boogy on out there pert near directly…lol. 🙂
    Who knows, sometimes my moods change with the wind. 🙂

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    • JD –

      I hear what you are saying – in the beginning my hubby thought I was crazy – then every once in awhile I would tell him a clue – and eventually he came around. He doesn’t use the computer or blog – so he doesn’t know what it’s like. Men can be such a pain at times.

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  5. Did Forrest think of everything – way beyond what I could have thought of –

    When I found the X – I also found a second X – it’s about 100 yrds away and more hidden than the first. It appears to have been placed there before the first one I found.

    So, here is what I think he did – he placed the first one there – years before the second. No one found it or tampered with it. Perhaps a test site. Then he secreted the second and real treasure. So when the treasure is found – and perhaps no one found the first one – He will announce that there is something else there and the hunt will continue – what do you think ? – I think he didn’t leave it up to the searcher to leave something else – I think he did it.

    If the treasure is where I think it is – I won’t tamper with the second spot so all will still have a chance to find what is ever there.

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      • Crowdog – no not in Montana – I’m looking in Colorado

        UA – I thought about posting a photo of the X – but not right now……..I don’t think it’s going to be over ……… a second Search will start with the exact same criteria ……You have no idea what he placed under the second X (it could be something more in value) and I will take photos of that and will not tamper with it in any way. My husband does not even know where the second X is.

        A giant part of me – just like you, does not want this to end either – but I keep saying to myself – if you don’t go get – someone else will and then you’ll be sorry.

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  6. A list for Newbies –

    As your adventure is just beginning perhaps I can give a few pointers on what to do and what to avoid as you start in the chase. If you do these things early on – I think it will save you time in the long run. I wish someone would have done this for me – but we were all new then. 🙂

    Read the book, then read the poem over and over, then go back thru the book slowly looking for hints.

    Keep copious notes – decide how you are going to do that –

    I like plain white paper – it allows me a freedom to draw – trace and place things where I want – not where the lines tell me.

    Keep like things together – for instance –
    FF quotes
    Clues
    Hints
    Research
    People
    Areas
    History
    Words
    Ideas
    Anagrams
    to do list
    junk file (don’t throw any notes away – you’ll
    be sorry)

    Organize your favorites to fit with the chase –

    You might want to read about what it takes to be a good detective.

    You might want to read about other treasure hunts and how they where solved.

    Avoid taking what others are saying on the blogs as fact – check it out yourself. Many times things are taken out of context and really very true – but it it changes the entire meaning.

    Read Goofy’s cheat sheet – it’s a good one

    Use you intuition (that gut feeling) and imagination – backed up with facts.

    Be inventive – find ways to narrow down a good search area – and a starting point. Without the right starting point – you have nothing.
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    Do extensive research on the clues/hints you do find. Most info is available on the internet.

    Know that Forrest made this chase not only for adults but also for children – so if your research is taking you into dark and terrible places – you are most likely wrong.

    Ask questions on the blogs. You might get a good answer. There is no such thing as a stupid question.

    Do extensive research on the area you find. Are there old treasures already buried there? Where the indians there? What did the old timers do – who where they and what did they do? What where their names. Was there major flooding in the area. What are the hidden secrets?

    What is there – is there a city nearby – are there clues to the city? Is there a song about the area?

    Learn how to use the internet to it’s full capabilites. Learn how to use Google Earth. Learn how to use the way back machine. The best part is, all these things are free.

    Is there a theme to the chase?

    Leave no stone unturned – but pls put it back.

    Later on – when you have a good start point –
    Get a topo map of your entire area – if your not really serious – you can
    forget this one. 🙂

    I would like to add this is just a few of the things I have done and it is not in any way to be taken as the only way to do this – just a few things that may be helpfull and is totally my opinion.

    Happy Hunting and Have Fun

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  7. I’m sure most of you remember when FF said the most important thing you can read is “My War for Me”.

    To me that chapter explains the spot…………and so does the poem. When I read that chapter it glowed a passion in me like no other.
    I thought NO, he couldn’t have picked my favorite place on earth…what are the chances of that ? I thought I had picked that very spot as my very own….to always have a special place in my mind – that I could go to and have complete peace – with awesomeness and wonder at the beauty of nature and all the things I love.

    Here is the long version of that chapter……
    www.85fis.doncondra.org/Forrest%20Fenn%20Story.htm

    So I am wondering what is your favorite place on earth…..and why?

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    • Reading Forrest’s story “My War for Me” reminds me of the importance of those we love. It’s so easy to get caught up in the system of self gain, as we chase our jobs, deal with bureaucrats, and struggles of this world. I believe we are often mislead or blinded and end up pursuing what doesn’t bring peace. I’m reminded of the good Samaritan who was left half dead on the road. The Priest and Levite passed by, but the good Samaritan helped the stranger in need. Of the three, the Samaritan I believe is the one that attains peace; a pouring out of love that can do so much more for the spirit than any fiscal gain. The loving bonds we make in life should be cherished, it’s easy to forget. I believe the depth of these bonds are greatest in the splendor of nature. This is where we develop memories that we treasure when the physical goes away. I know I have been most at peace being outside with those I love.
      I am however in the camp that there is a physical treasure out there, but I believe there’s a larger treasure(the loving bonds with others) that we should seek on the way. Hats off to Forrest for motivating us to get outside with others and spend time cherishing the peace that nature brings!

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    • That would be my grandfathers garden. I think my most favorite spot is connected to feeling safe, surrounded by beauty. Knowing that nobody in the entire world could harm me in that place.

      When Forrest was shot down, his mind went to the place he was most at peace. With his father on the Lampas river, I think is what he said.

      Arent most peoples favorite places some place they shared with someone they trusted entirely with everything they have?

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    • My favorite place in the world? That’s easy if I am only counting where I have been. Well, I’d have to say home on my little pi-lot with my favorite beaux. Why? Because that’s where all the love is. My war for me = Wy amore mr f. A special place I am sure.

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  8. The Wolf:
    Well 42 I am not insistent on the donation concept, I just thought it would be nice.I do share your view that one way or another if I was able to help someone solve this puzzle would be very rewarding in itself.Take care and I note, I too am out of the chase!

    Wolf, I meant I (not u) have no expectations of strangers spending the treasure on a cancer fund. (I need stronger readers;-)

    It’s obviously a wonderful idea!

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  9. 42:
    Further evidence IMO that “32? POINTS to the location of the treasure chest:

    Integral to the poems architecture X(32) + Y(32) =64 6stanzas 4lines

    The “32 point compass rose” printed on F’s TFTW map is a Weems compass rose. Weems is the father of celestial navigation in the air – he taught early aviators such as Lindbergh and Earhart’s navigator.

    Evidence in the poem is H A L ‘T’
    T plotting a cross or X with Coordinates running thru sections 32..

    32 directional “points” of the rose literally point out X, Y direction axis.

    In TTOTC numerous references to circle, quarter circles, 16, 32 further illustrates how ff incorporated hints to a 32 point compass.

    On page 55,The long ride home, you read Forrest recounting he and Skipoy making a 1600 mile trip with a flat tire every 50 miles. Simple calculation 1600 divided by 50 yields “32 STOPS”my opinion based on facts from poem, both books, and f’s maps says your X,Y
    Stops are on section 32 – which also works nicely with WWWH.

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    Wow you really want this over with. Thats there is some dangerous information in the right hands!

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    • Deb, IMO my hard earned info regarding plotting X & Y coordinates running straight through 4 land sections numbered 32 (in the correct state and location) will lead someone to find th chest. It’s intell that doesn’t just work, it fits perfectly with Forrest Fenn and his poem. I truly don’t want anything to do with searching again or solving further. I’ve always had generosity of heart – but the real test of generosity is not how much you give; but what you keep for yourself.

      I just gave to strangers exactly what I believe will assist one to the chest. They’ll likely never say thanks and may claim the method as their own; but it only matters to me that I’m true to myself and gave it away.

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  10. into:
    Deb –

    Here’s one from FF……… I wonder if yours will get this big…………..

    library.bbhc.org/cdm/ref/collection/MS438/id/88

    Doubtful, it would take alot more moisture than we get here. I do have some Austrian Coppers old roses that are drought tolerant and prolific if you ever want any. They are coming out of my ears.lol

    I got the first one from a neighbor lady 40 years ago, she needed it dug out of her lawn. That lovely lady died not even four months later. Divisions have traveled with me my whole married life, have given away dozens of them to friends and loved ones. The rose type has a long history itself. 🙂

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  11. Spallies:
    Hey Deb, What do you suppose the 36078 numbers means on the far right side of the photo? His original catalog number?March 6th 1978? Julian… the 360th day of the year 1978?

    I have no idea, it could be a marker from either the museum or the photographer. My husbands grandfather was a photographer, he marked lots of negatives and prints in the margins.

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  12. I need help ——

    When FF did his big map here is what benchmark said……….

    Enhanced features include the original poem from The Thrill of the Chase, a special compass rose that has a Fenn history all to itself, and our gold seal.

    So what is the history behind the compass rose – does anybody know?

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        • The compass rose has an interesting history, not sure why they used his name in it though. Let us know if they answer you and it turns out to be something, please. I suspect its just the of history though.

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          • Further evidence IMO that “32” POINTS to the location of the treasure chest:

            Integral to the poems architecture X(32) + Y(32) =64 6stanzas 4lines

            The “32 point compass rose” printed on F’s TFTW map is a Weems compass rose. Weems is the father of celestial navigation in the air – he taught early aviators such as Lindbergh and Earhart’s navigator.

            Evidence in the poem is H A L ‘T’
            T plotting a cross or X with Coordinates running thru sections 32..

            32 directional “points” of the rose literally point out X, Y direction axis.

            In TTOTC numerous references to circle, quarter circles, 16, 32 further illustrates how ff incorporated hints to a 32 point compass.

            On page 55, The long ride home, you read Forrest recounting he and Skipoy making a 1600 mile trip with a flat tire every 50 miles. Simple calculation 1600 divided by 50 yields “32 STOPS” my opinion based on facts from poem, both books, and f’s maps says your X,Y
            Stops are on section 32 – which also works nicely with WWWH.

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    • Captain Weems was the father of celestial navigation in the air. Taught Lindbergh, Earhart. My research and opinion show that ff used an historic Weems 32point compass rose whose 32 directional points literally point to the chest’s location.

      Captain Weems, the founder of our business, Weems & Plath, would follow sea navigation and we approached with great anticipation. We had heard that much of this portion of the exhibit was dedicated to Weems and his relationship with the many well-known pilots, inventors and navigators of the early years of air navigation. We were not disappointed. Every display featured Captain Philip Van Horn Weems. Smithsonian curator, Roger Connor says, “Weems was a rock star!” He worked with every big and small name in the early era of flight – Charles Lindbergh, Harold Gatty (Wiley Post’s navigator), and Fred Noonan (Amelia Earhart’s navigator).

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  13. Jeremy
    on August 13, 2015 at 4:38 pm said:
    When he was on CBS and released his latest clue, that it isn’t in a mine, I didn’t really find it noteworthy because I never really considered a mine.

    But the way he talks about it not being in a mine in this video it takes on a whole different meaning. He says no tunnel, snakes might drop on you, and so on. These are things you might say about a cave as well. But he doesn’t say cave, hasn’t ruled out caves, and it almost seems like he’s avoiding saying “cave”. Anyone else get that?

    Feels like he might be avoiding saying it’s not in a cave because the actual place could be a shallow hole or grotto or something someone might consider to be a cave.

    42
    on August 13, 2015 at 6:30 pm said:
    Jeremy,

    I concur that it could still be in a cave. There are specific references to caves in both memoirs, and also “vena cava” or hollow vein.

    When ff mentions “they” can fall in in you, I thought he meant stay out of man made mines and tunnels because the mines can fall in on you (not snakes)

    Those who think we can walk right up to the chest or it’s easy because ff was 79 or 80 may wish to contemplate Forrest’s statement made in 2014 (approx June or July) on Mysterious Writings…

    Forrest made a strong and IMO telling statement that to return to hiding place of the treasure chest “would be the BOLDEST thing he’s done.”

    For a fearless fighter pilot to make that statement should raise eyebrows. Why would it be the boldest thing he’s done?

    [If anyone has the reference point from MW to post here that would be appreciated.]

    Note possible important definitions for BOLD are cliff and dwelling

    Fearless and daring; courageous.
    adj. Requiring or exhibiting courage and bravery.

    adj. Unduly forward and brazen;

    impudent: a bold, sassy child.

    Clear and distinct to the eye;

    conspicuous: a bold handwriting.

    *Steep or abrupt in grade or terrain: bold *cliffs.

    *A dwelling; habitation; building.

    “TREASURES
    BOLD”

    I predict it is in a cave on a cliff face or opening on a very steep hillside you approach from below.

    Furthermore, there is
    no P, but ADD ‘LE’ to the side of that hill or cliff.
    “No paddle”

    Reply ?

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    • Yes, 42 –

      Bold, old. gold. cold.

      The word “old” is in the poem right in our face – 4 times. Now look at the position of them in the poem. Beginning stanza, second and last line. Ending stanza, second and last line. Forrest was second born and last to live. So again, pointing to everything in the middle.

      Right there it is pointing to what this is all about. The beginning the middle and the end. He carries that thru everything that is important.

      It was for sure the boldest thing he’s done – as he went in there ALONE. Nobody does that. The way he did that was with a key. There was the threat of his car breaking down – there’s no cell phone service. (someone once used just that info to find a spot – pretty good). Since no cell phone service – if he fell, turned an ankle, if he was attacked by a wild animal – if he had a heart attack – so many things could have gone wrong. I don’t blame him at all for saying he’s not going back there again. One can’t bring the past back. Things would be and are so different now.

      I don’t remember that statement about him being bold to go back – I’ll look for it.

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        • 42 –

          I’m saying there is no cell phone service – not FF. 🙂

          I found where he said the above –

          Is the chest hidden in the (exact) same spot that you would like your bones to be found, or is it a short distance away for reasons beyond your control? ~ Phil

          The spot is the same, but in less than two months I’ll be 84 and that means many of the things to which I once aspired are no longer available to me. I still anticipate, but I may be unable to grasp such a transient pleasure before my trail shows signs of growing too weary for the journey. To make that success would be the boldest move I ever made and to that end I just want it all the more.f

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    • 42 and into – A great, helpful discussion between the two of you. I always appreciate hearing your insights. I also don’t believe there is cel service where the Bronze Chest lies. Does that mean GPS service is unavailable there also, btw? I have a cheap flip phone without GPS capabilities,…but I am just curious if searchers could use that feature to help them locate the exact spots they found previously on Google Earth.

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      • E* –

        GPS works fine. I remember standing in our driveway and watching the first satellite go over in the night sky. Something I will never forget and it is so amazing how far we have come. A very dear friend of mine helped to create the first GPS. Yes, the USA did that. 🙂 He told me they were missing something and he awoke at 3:00 in the morning and it came to him and it worked.

        History changed on October 4, 1957, when the Soviet Union successfully launched Sputnik I. The world’s first artificial satellite was about the size of a beach ball (58 cm.or 22.8 inches in diameter), weighed only 83.6 kg. or 183.9 pounds, and took about 98 minutes to orbit the Earth on its elliptical path.

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    • Reverence for wood- Jospeh and his Jesus our Lord were both carpenters maybe thats why there is a reverence for wood- or is it He that labors in the teaching of child is as working in God’s workshop.

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    • in the wood could mean several things however the state soil is Fork-wood get it! but it is forkwood
      and some of that stuff is just absolutely awful

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  14. “Brave and in the Wood”
    I am going to write about this next. But I need help from Will. Thats right Will, you have acquired something special made by Forrest on Ebay, something Bronze and only 15 were made.

    Will, Can you post a picture of your beautiful “Brave and in the Wood” cast by Forrest?

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    • You missed a couple. He also mentions extra handkerchiefs in his back pockets as he danced around while his father struck him with a rod.

      I took the statement as an emphasis on the pole star, polaris. The ritual of being forced to obedience by his father hitting him. Just like you cant change the earth from spinning.

      I never felt comfortable with the idea of his father hitting him just because he was upset and Forrest saying it was ok if he got hit for reasons other than what he had actually done. It didnt ring true to me.

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      • I really like that quote:
        “He also mentions extra handkerchiefs in his back pockets as he danced around while his father struck him with a rod.”
        It fits well with my “lightning rod” theory.

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  15. ,

    Chris Yates:
    anyone notice that after the word ‘brave’…”and in” has all he letters for ‘Indian’reusing the i

    if you understand what is in TTOTC that literally means ‘wood’ in the original language, it leads you to an indian

    Chris,

    brave AND IN the wood I

    the BRAVE INDIAN wood ….

    This relates back to my first solve of the TOTEM Cafe, which I linked several days ago.

    which included beginning in MT and going into WY

    astree

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  16. /
    If you are brave and in the wood.

    Chris Yates:
    i asked this on the other blog and thot id ask it here too

    is there something in the book TTOTC that from the original language literally means “the wood” ?

    also ive found a connection to virginity in the chase.

    the chapter dancing with the millennium has subtle hints to it

    Chris,

    Looking for “Level ONE” interpretation can prove to be exhausting and nebulous.

    A puzzle normally has information which is much more self-contained (unless you have found “virginity” to be referenced in his source material, which would be interesting … although Peg Leg would also be possible, I guess). I am only saying this because you often have shown to be working with the information in the book, not external sources.

    An example using the phrase in question –

    the END is Ever Drawing Nigh
    iN thE wooD

    “tight focus”

    “EYE give you title to the gold” – makes sense at this point, within the context of the subsequent levels.

    astree

    ( edit in: Chris, I DID find a connection to virginity in Forrest’s work … that was probably six puls months ago, it was fairly blatant .. sorry, I forgot. )

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    • astreeturover

      the virginity i refer to is not really virginity per se but a subtle reference to a particular ‘system’

      when the subtle hints in dancing with the millennium are understood properly and applied within the system, they direct you to a certain general area such that now you know not only the State, but also what region of that State

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