Poem 6:4

I give you title to the gold.

61 thoughts on “Poem 6:4

  1. I love music.
    It has been fun everyone. I am working on my last music picture video pertaining to the chase. It is going to be a good one.

    Bet, you are right, it is time.

    “Don’t only practice your art,
    but force your way into its secrets,
    for it and knowledge can raise men to the divine.”

    ? Ludwig van Beethoven

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      • Yes, INTO it is all about the art.
        Well, it is time for me to leave Mike’s blog and head home. It was fun to be a part on many of the blogs relating to the chase. We will be going out for a little joy ride soon, not sure what to expect. Take care everyone, Peace.

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          • INTO, No problem with you or anyone else. I need to continue to run my websites. I get lots of traffic and emails. So I need to focus on that. I have other things in the fire right now as well. Trying to run a business takes all of my time. I work 7 days a week and I have 4 other websites I am trying to run as well.
            You mentioned the music on how it influences one lives. Yet, that art is sometimes forgotten and where does it really all begin?
            I have made my rounds on the blogs and now it is time for me to go.
            I asked my wife yesterday what she thought of my solution. She feels I am 90% right. Now how is that for being 10% nigh. So I hope that answers your question.

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      • I will try to get this one right Mike….

        JC, very nice. I see you are still working hard on the Poem.

        Here is another Geydelkon hint:
        If you don’t hold on tight to the bracelet then you will never have the treasure.

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    • “If we are together, nothing is
      impossible. If we are divided, all will fail.”
      — Winston Churchill

      This quote is what its all about to the India comment. Think about this place….

      “Dal, I am sure you remember that the little girl from India was the lark of Jenny Kile, who inserted it into a question she asked me. It might just as well have been a boy from Waxahatchee, where my father was born, or an Arab kid from Marrakech, a city that Winston Churchill said was the most beautiful place in the world. He was an excellent artist and I once sold his oil painting of that city. We are getting a lot of mileage from that little girl from India, doncha think?”f

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  2. I am back for a few post. I just heard the radio interview at www.santafe.com/thevoice/podcasts/forrest-fenn-dal-neitzel-on-the-hidden-treasure-and-leon-gaspard

    Not a whole lot to consider or apply to what everyone has heard before.

    ” I give you title to the gold”

    I am wondering since I figured what he meant by this last statement, will the chest be there?

    I wonder about the location since last week I figured the last line. I think it is also related to a play from the 1940’s. I haven’t seen it yet but there is a movie I found on IMBD. I cant wait to see it.

    Take care everyone, I am going underground.

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  3. Alongside my mother in row 4 of block 23 at the Hillcrest Cemetery, and that’s about it.

    Many of your are wondering about my recent post. I need that one lift to get me going. I am giving everyone a small taste of what the nine clues are. I have them all but I am not done. What am I suppose to do with them? I think about it only a few minutes a day. Block 4 row 23 is a “M” and next to it is a letter that is important to me and to those who want the answers. Forrest has sure thought of everything.
    So keep coming back to TTOTC.COM. I don’t post on any other blogs. Too much crazy stuff going on over there or did the cabin fever finally break. Even though I read most all of the blogs daily, not much has changed. I am thinking of put the nine clues out there with all the rights…..but when. Who wants to know the nine clues? It will cost you. Any bids?

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  4. “I give you DEED to the gold”

    Deed as in task, a job. So what is the deed the poem describes?

    Taking a photo of the chest.

    Which chest and where it is located, is up to the readers imagination.

    GET BUSY!!!

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  5. deb:
    Great stories guys !

    My olive jar is from the Myths of Hercules . Hercules was cheated out of his rightful title of King of Greece by Hera’s interference in his birth. her nephew Eurytheus was named King by being born first due to Hera’s deeds.

    Read the stories of the labors of Hercules and you will find that Eurytheus hid in a giant olive jar every time Hercules came to his palace.
    If you follow the stories you can tie them to the stories in the book…

    Deb- I can’t argue with you about Hercules. But here’s another way to tie olives to Cody. Russian Olive trees are prominent near the river at Cody, a riperian shrub. Their fruit has no taste and it was rather “tasteless” of John Charles to wave that jar in Forrest’s face. Wouldn’t you say?
    Also, the name of the golf course at Cody is Olive Glen
    And, street names of Cody are associated with Buffalo Bill of course.

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  6. Bob:
    Hey Bur! Good to see your name here. It gets quiet when you talk about Buffalo Bill.
    I’ve got visions of the wizard of oz spinning round and round in my head lately. He sure lit up the stage….until they pulled the curtain back. And little toto went yip! Yip !
    (Ankle biter)

    Quiet is good at times Bob. You and I know there are just tips on the icebergs posted most of the time (of course who would post anymore then that). People are opening up and thinking out of the box more on directions on things that have meaning, but like Forrest stated once, they went right by it. People say they know Forrest but I believe the only one that knows him sleeps beside him every night. People also say when they write him with their solves and searches that he gives them hints back in his replies but mostly they are just general comments of encouragement, it’s the one that he comments back to and he searches for words trying to change their direction of thought and you see you have chosen the right apple without the worm, but it hasn’t quite ripened yet but close, very close. It’s been awhile for me here and it’s nice to see everyone’s posts again, the best to all who still continue to search for the answers to the solve. Bur

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    • Hey bur check out the proposed conference for TTOTC at Dals blog. I hope you can make it. Waiting for some dates to be set so I can finalize my plans to camp with the KOA tribe of Santa Fe. They have reservations all over the US, I’ve stayed with them before. Most of their ancient customs have been lost due to accommodations for the white man but their elders are there in spirit.

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  7. Inthechaseto- I can’t post at Q&A Jenny Kile so it’s here, for you. No I don’t know what you are talking about. The big picture he speaks of is an important movie. On the big screen….in TTOTC , important literature gets thrown away, making the movie important. The chapter, Important Literature has no little square box at the end of it meaning, it is not “tied” to his life story. WWWH is a rainbow to me and I’m posting here at the line title to the gold because it may be the most important line in understanding the poem and book.
    What does he mean by title to the gold?
    What title does he have to give us?
    What gold? Where?
    Title: book title, movie title, ownership document, proper name?
    If the correct answer to title to the gold lies in any of these “titles” then the poem is purely metaphorical, and a puzzle not directions to a location.
    Then, he says “the gold” he doesn’t say- the treasure, the bronze box, the cache, the trove. The gold could just mean something of great value. I’ve been thinking title to the gold could mean in the way it is measured, in ounces. Or abbreviation: OZ
    A title to a treasured movie is The Wizard of Oz. that’s the big picture.
    And from the original book series OZ, auntie Em’s full name is Emily Elizabeth Brown. It was her home that landed on the witch that killed her, and then Dorothy put in just below it to start her journey through the haunted Forrest on the yellow brick road. Also, in the original book by L. Frank Baum is the Trick River which changes direction, making paddling difficult. Baum’s books are similar to Lewis Carroll in imagination.
    I’m sill working on a complete solution. It’s difficult.

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    • Yes, Bob –

      I believe the wizard of oz movie is involved – but not in the way you are thinking – I believe you are on the right track – but sort of over thinking it.

      Remember the poem is in layers. First layer being directions. Second layer being hints to history etc. The area itself will give hints – if you have the right area.

      Yes, the literature chapter is important as a hint. The hints combined will give you the coordinates – which will give you complete confidence to go get the gold which is in the treasure chest – the one with the photo on the back of the book. If Forrest did not have a chest as pictured – I don’t think that would be the way he works. I have found him to be very straight in what he says – pertaining to hints. 85 % right in the book – is probably right on.

      The giffer is not involved – There is a very specific way to know that – and that took me two years to complete – and I am still working on it.

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      • Inthechaseto- I disagree, 15% is correct and 85% is puzzle.
        …”because nothing is worse than facts written wrong. Just because Napoleon said that history was nothing more than fables agreed upon, doesn’t mean it’s true.”

        This is a clue to check his facts. This is a Voltaire quote. Most of FF stories are not true. They are mirrored images of Buffalo Bill Cody, just like the drawings are mirrored images of Rockwell drawings. Drawings ever nigh, drawings to the left. Drawings backward. Mirror images.

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        • Inthechaseto- on FF silence about Colorado, and the layering effect- WWWH=rainbow=colorful Colorado. Although I don’t think this is the answer to WWWH,it’s there.

          Here’s some other things FF doesn’t talk about in his memoir of childhood memories that I would have if I wrote a memoir. The reason I think these things aren’t mentioned is because he didn’t need or couldn’t use them in a way to mirror his life to Bill Cody.

          First bicycle
          First love
          Illnesses- measles, chicken pox
          Going to the doctor
          Going to the dentist
          Injuries- broken arm? Broken leg?

          The earliest memories I have of my life are the most traumatic ones. I’m sure some of these things happened to FF, yet he makes no mention of any of these. Also, very little mention of his mom. I feel the book supports the puzzle aspect of his endeavor, more that his actual life.
          But, I’m wierd too, and dumb. Lol

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          • Yes, Bob –

            That’s very astute. He is kind of Quarky about those things. Friendships seem to be very important to him. He’s met some very famous and accomplished people.

            I don’t know about Bill Cody – will think on that one.

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          • For me, it would have been my first car, something in my life I will never forget.

            Car – he wrote about does indeed fit the profile. Buffalo Cowboys – pg 65 – mentions Cody the buffalo – he even lost his shoe in the ordeal.

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          • And about my first car – it was a 1954 MG TF – I paid 700 dollars for it and sold it for 14 thousand dollars. I know now, that I was smarter at age 16.

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    • Bob: Then, he says “the gold” he doesn’t say- the treasure, the bronze box, the cache, the trove. The gold could just mean something of great value. I’ve been thinking title to the gold could mean in the way it is measured, in ounces. Or abbreviation: OZ
      A title to a treasured movie is The Wizard of Oz. that’s the big picture.
      And from the original book series OZ, auntie Em’s full name is Emily Elizabeth Brown.

      Bob,

      You are picking up some interesting connections.

      The first and last words of the poem

      AS …. GOLD

      Here is a definition of “AS”, I will quote directly:

      noun, plural asses

      1. a copper coin and early monetary unit of ancient Rome, originally having a nominal weight of a pound of 12 ounces: discontinued c80 b.c.

      2. a unit of weight equal to 12 ounces.

      dictionary.reference.com/browse/as?s=t

      astree

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    • I am wondering how does the olive jar tie into your ideas ?
      I find it all very interesting how we all see something different in the stories and poem. 🙂

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      • Deb- I had to call fellow a-team member Bur and ask him permission to relay this story as it was his hard work and research that discovered it. Thanks Bur.

        Waving the olive jar in Forrest’s face is a hint to a card game in Springfield, Missouri involving Wild Bill Hickok as witnessed by Bill Cody. Cody wasn’t in the game, just an observer. Hickok caught a guy cheating and shoved a pistol in his face and said….”I am calling the hand that is in your hat!”
        Like the olives, bullets are placed in a revolver one at a time, neatly. And Since FF’s father was the principal at Lanier, John Charles and other kids felt like FF was cheating.

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        • Bob, thanks for calling… Deb added bonus, Major General “John Charles” Hecksher went on a invited buffalo hunt with Buffalo Bill Cody and believe he even had one of the campsites name after him as Cody also name other sites after friends and companions on his hunts. A name of a “mirror” Rockwell illustration in the TTOTC book also comes into play regarding this too. Bur

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          • Hey Bur! Good to see your name here. It gets quiet when you talk about Buffalo Bill.
            I’ve got visions of the wizard of oz spinning round and round in my head lately. He sure lit up the stage….until they pulled the curtain back. And little toto went yip! Yip !
            (Ankle biter)

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          • Hello, Bob (and Bur). As you both likely know, Toto is a Cairn Terrier of Scottish origin…obviously somehow related to this:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairn

            They are very playful and curious animals. When they’re not busy biting ankles…or humping “pillows”…or other mischief…they can be found sleeping. There’s not much else in between…unless they find themselves locked up…then it’s just a matter of making a Great Escape! Who knows WHAT they’ll do once they make that escape! They remind me of Forrest Fenn.

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw_i0OE5D-I

            Typical Cairn Terrier thought process: “Bangor?…I just Metor! …besides…I love my “pillow” more than life itself.” 🙂

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          • JC- hold on one minute are you suggesting that toto is the cairn, blaze, trail marker? That the bronze box is somehow related to toto? Two two? 22?
            I thought I was wise and found the blaze created by the wizard before they pulled the curtain back. You know, “I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL WIZARD! (Fire, Fire) WHO ARE YOU?”

            That blaze JC.

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          • Hello, Bob. I’ve had to think for a while about what you wrote and how you meant it. My first instinct, I now feel, was wrong…so I better go with my gut instinct, instead. 🙂

            So, YES!, the bronze box IS related to Toto…even if (some might say) the “real-life actor” Toto was only moving the curtain because he (actually she) smelled a sandwich or doggy treats behind the curtain. So much of history is completely misunderstood or not understood in the least. Like Toto, for example:

            www.neatorama.com/2012/09/11/Toto-iThe-Wizard-of-Oz-Dogi-1932-1945/#!bEOoa7

            So, if it takes Toto to pull back the curtain on the back-peddling, “all powerful” wizard…then God-speed Toto! BLAZE ON!!! 🙂

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          • Hey guys –

            Maybe I am trying to stretch a point here – but I think the hint here is Judy Garland.

            The reason is her favorite drink of choice was – Tea and Vodka. Any type of tea.

            I do believe a dog is involved – but not Toto.

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          • Great stories guys ! 🙂

            My olive jar is from the Myths of Hercules . Hercules was cheated out of his rightful title of King of Greece by Hera’s interference in his birth. her nephew Eurytheus was named King by being born first due to Hera’s deeds.

            Read the stories of the labors of Hercules and you will find that Eurytheus hid in a giant olive jar every time Hercules came to his palace.
            If you follow the stories you can tie them to the stories in the book… 🙂

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          • JC1117 – Did you know that ‘Brown’ can mean ‘Breast’,…especially as it relates to the Scottish and Welsh root of the word ‘Cairn’,…as in the Brown Willy Cairn?:

            en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Willy

            The first part of the hill’s name is a common Brythonic element meaning “breast, pap; hill-side, slope, breast (of hill)”, which is frequent in Welsh placenames.[2] It is sometimes suggested that the name came from the Cornish bronn ughella meaning “highest hill”, as it is the highest point of Bodmin Moor and of Cornwall, but the toponymist Craig Weatherhill disagrees. The name has evolved through a variety of historical spellings as follows: Brunwenely c.1200, 1239; Brown Wenely 1239; Brenwenelyn 1276; Bronwenely, Brunwely 1280; Brounwenely 1350, 1362; Broun Welyn 1386; Brounwenyly 1401; Brownwenelegh 1450, 1470; Brounwellye, Bronwelly 1576; Brown-wellye 1584; Brounwellie 1639; Menar Brownuello 1754.[3]

            That gives a whole new meaning to the Home of a Brown,…if it is a Cairn,…doesn’t it? Got Milk? 🙂

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  8. I give you title(s) to the gold

    All the lines in the poem refer back to chapters in the book. This line refers to the entire book.
    “Is the book important? Yes because the poem is in ( on ) the book.”

    The poem is the book, the book is the poem.

    The person who finds the treasure will have read the poem and read the book many times over. “All you need is the book ”
    Title to the gold is the book…The Thrill of The Chase.
    The poem contains nine clues if followed precisely will lead to the treasure. 23 of the 24 lines of the poem are clues to a chapter in the book. Pick out just nine of them and it wll lead you back to the book, where you started. You don’t need all 23.

    Hagrid- “well then Bob, where is the bronze box of gold ?”

    Bob- “I don’t know”

    Winston T. Pooh – “think, think, think”

    Piglet- “buh buh Bob! I know where it is!”

    Bob-“where piglet ”

    (piglet turning pages of TTOTC )
    Piglet-“r, r, right in front of you ! p, p, page 126!”

    Thank you Piglet. You are some pig!

    Piglet- ( no stutter ) “wrong book Bob! Come on dude! Try to keep up!”

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    • Bob – May I be the first to express my sincere appreciation,…for your taking the time to post all of your inspired insights,…I, for one,…definitely appreciate your efforts. I thought the Tea With Olga explanation,…of Forrest’s perspective from his plane,…was particularly helpful. I read each and every post,…carefully thinking about each one,…but I do not own either TTOTC or TFTW,…so I do not have the ability to cross-check your awesome references.

      But, in general,…I have always thought that the fact that TTOTC was originally written to benefit Forrest’s children and grandchildren,…and the generations of his family going forward,…was important. That made me think that the Poem was probably like a table of contents,…of the book,…which follows the trail of the adventures and experiences of Forrest’s life. So,…when I read your thoughts,…that fit right into my theory. I used to have links that corresponded to all those correlations I made,…about how the Poem followed Forrest’s life,…but a Trojan virus on my computer destroyed all that. I did email Forrest with that thought, though…when I first began “The Chase”,…with a few of those links.

      Thank you for so openly sharing with us, Bob. 🙂

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      • E- thanks! Sometimes I use this blog for its original intention…to help solve the puzzle. If just one thing I write, other than the entertainment, helps someone to find the treasure then I have accomplished my goal and that of Mike for starting this blog in the first place!

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        • Bob – Yes,…right,…to solve the puzzle,…but sometimes to entertain each other,…to make each other smile,…as we endure the Trials of the Universe,…keeping some of us from going out on the hunt! And if Forrest ever reads Mike’s blog,…I am sure he has found it entertaining, too. 🙂

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      • Winston T. Pooh- “I’m sorry mr. E but piglet can’t read, he loves picture books. Has mr. Salinger ever assembled a picture book? ”

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        • Winston T. Pooh – I was making a point about humility,…which I believe Piglet knows all about,…which is why I think he was humbly referring to page 126 of J.D. Salinger’s “The Catcher in the Rye”. Maybe you could read this to him?:

          themycenaean.org/2013/03/the-hidden-super-star-in-winnie-the-pooh/

          In the popular Winnie the Pooh stories, Pooh is seen as the lovable, humble, and most important character. But the book the Te of Piglet suggests that Piglet is just as important, if not more so, than Pooh.

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          • Winnie- “look piglet! It’s us walking to Christopher Robins house that day last winter! Imagine, our photo on mikes blog…we’re famous !”

            Piglet – ” yayyy! We’re famous! Buh , buh, pooh…what is famous ?”

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          • Winnie – And not to put too fine a point on it,…but didn’t you learn a bit of humility,…in this little adventure? Didn’t you say that Rabbit’s hole was too small? And be careful,…that non-native honey can be just as addictive as “The Chase”:

            www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDm3NlSSJyg

            p.s. Tomorrow, June 22nd,…just happens to be MY favorite day! 🙂

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          • E- thanks for the link to the Te of Piglet. I’m truly at a loss for words. Not sure what’s going on right now. All I can say is thank you.

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          • Winnie and Piglet came to see me. They are having fun with the cats and dogs, one happy family. 🙂 They were telling me about how Bob sent them on the journey and they only got lost once when they made a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
            They are welcome anytime , Meg will be so excited to hear about their travels. She loves animals so much. Thank you Bob, you are a good friend. 🙂

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    E*: E* on April 3, 2014 at 11:59 am said:

    azuredeb – I hope you respond soon,…I just don’t want little Godzilla to get mad

    E*,.

    Per my current read on the deeper (metaphorical) use of the poem, the “end” (of the circle of Life) corresponds to the end letters, of the end of the poem:

    i give you title tO thE golD

    translate.google.com/#cy/en/oed

    DEO

    Speaking of “oed”, and using the conversion-to-Pig-Pen-to-Freemason cipher, the phrase

    “riches NEW AND OLD”

    contains

    REWARDS

    astree

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