The Spot

Stanza 3, Line 3 of The Poem reads:

There’ll be no paddle up your creek,

 If you expand the contraction you get this:

 There will be no paddle up your creek,

 Which anagrams perfectly to:

 Buried polyurethane rock, deep well

There, now don’t say I’ve never given up any real dangerous intel, but I’m not worried, because there are a lot of rocks in the Rockies, and plenty of wells too I’m sure, so I haven’t given up too much concerning my spot.  I am really not much into anagrams, but if Forrest wanted to hide a clue about the final resting place of the treasure, wouldn’t this be a cool way to do it?

Like many people, I think I’ve figured it out (again), but it’s that last little bit that frustrates me. Does anyone believe that the treasure is just resting on top of the ground in plain sight, situated directly beneath the blaze?  I don’t.  Is it buried?  I don’t know, but I’m taking a metal detector next time just in case.  I have been focusing on this one aspect of the Chase since my last trip in September, the final resting place of the treasure– The Spot.

My current theory is that it is behind a tree (plenty of trees in the Rockies too) because Forrest talks so much about being behind a tree in both books.  But which tree?  I have got that narrowed down too, and I am running to that very tree on my next trip out.  But I have already seen that tree, and there is nothing but dead pine needles and rocks around it.  Maybe one of those rocks is a fake like the ones found here.

Well, I am open to suggestions.  What do I do when I get to my spot?  Forrest says that if the poem is followed “precisely” it will lead to the treasure.  There has got to be something there that pin-points the final location.  What is it?

Mike

83 thoughts on “The Spot

  1. JC1117:
    That’s a great idea, WoodyBogg.

    Maybe we could meet up there in Cody one day and have a look-see.I have a couple of nice detectors…and soon will purchase a nice pulse detector out of Germany.

    I plan to use it to hunt for meteorites in the desert.

    Well I have 10 different metal detectors now and Am prepared I think!!! Only one is a PI detector and there’s no discrimination so you dig a lot of junk like nails !! I would be willing to take a weekend off to go to Cody!

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  2. bob:
    Mike, im glad you created this thread titled “the spot”

    and since the line from TTOTC states the poem followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure.i would like to discuss the end of his rainbow as being “the spot” instead of the treasure. because it may be that it is easier to find the end of his rainbow, than the treasure.

    while on all my searches to Wyoming and a side trip to Montana i would always ask myself this question when i got to the spot to look for the bronze box…..”would Forrest want to be buried here?”

    on my two searches in Colorado, same thing….”would Forrest want to be buried here?”

    one trip I made to the Taos area, the vietnam veterans memorial in particular i asked myself…”would Forrest be buried here?”

    the answer was always no. even so I looked for the bronze box.
    then comes the legal questions…..”can Forrest legally be buried here?”
    the answer is always , no.
    and what about his family? i would think that at some point in the future they will want to visit his grave to place flowers. so I would ask myself…”would Forrest’s family come visit him here?” the answer was maybe, but I doubt it.
    my point in all this is rather than looking for clues to the bronze box, our time may be better spent trying to figure out where his final resting place is. because where ever that place may be, the treasure is there too right now waiting for Forrest.
    in the Epilogue he goes into detail about his fathers death and funeral. Forrest gives respect to his father for being an educator and planning his own funeral. i think Forrest has the same thing in mind. he has planned his own funeral at a place where education is important.

    the only place I thought Forrest may want to be buried when I searched Wyoming was the graveyard at Lander. the town of Lander is in the Popo Agie river valley. but their cemetery is high up on a hill. the view there at the graveyard is a panoramic splendor. but I just cant make enough connections to Forrest Fenn and Lander Wyoming to think that he would want to be buried there.

    then there is the separate question of Peggy and her death. wont Forrest and Peggy be buried side by side? what if Peggy dies first? we then would know where Forrest wants to be buried?

    and then maybe the “end of his rainbow” isnt his death, but something else.

    sigh.

    Assuming that Peggy will want to be in the same place as Forrest and Assuming that she will be Buried verses cremated . Looking at how and where OLGA wanted There is a flaw in thinking if Peggy passes first we as in the public will know is Questionable!!

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  3. Mike, im glad you created this thread titled “the spot”

    and since the line from TTOTC states the poem followed precisely, will lead to the end of his rainbow and the treasure. i would like to discuss the end of his rainbow as being “the spot” instead of the treasure. because it may be that it is easier to find the end of his rainbow, than the treasure.

    while on all my searches to Wyoming and a side trip to Montana i would always ask myself this question when i got to the spot to look for the bronze box…..”would Forrest want to be buried here?”

    on my two searches in Colorado, same thing….”would Forrest want to be buried here?”

    one trip I made to the Taos area, the vietnam veterans memorial in particular i asked myself…”would Forrest be buried here?”

    the answer was always no. even so I looked for the bronze box.
    then comes the legal questions…..”can Forrest legally be buried here?”
    the answer is always , no.
    and what about his family? i would think that at some point in the future they will want to visit his grave to place flowers. so I would ask myself…”would Forrest’s family come visit him here?” the answer was maybe, but I doubt it.
    my point in all this is rather than looking for clues to the bronze box, our time may be better spent trying to figure out where his final resting place is. because where ever that place may be, the treasure is there too right now waiting for Forrest.
    in the Epilogue he goes into detail about his fathers death and funeral. Forrest gives respect to his father for being an educator and planning his own funeral. i think Forrest has the same thing in mind. he has planned his own funeral at a place where education is important.

    the only place I thought Forrest may want to be buried when I searched Wyoming was the graveyard at Lander. the town of Lander is in the Popo Agie river valley. but their cemetery is high up on a hill. the view there at the graveyard is a panoramic splendor. but I just cant make enough connections to Forrest Fenn and Lander Wyoming to think that he would want to be buried there.

    then there is the separate question of Peggy and her death. wont Forrest and Peggy be buried side by side? what if Peggy dies first? we then would know where Forrest wants to be buried?

    and then maybe the “end of his rainbow” isnt his death, but something else.

    sigh.

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        • Mike I have not seen toby’s video either! I do have a question for you or bob or lisa ! Are you able and prepared to go on a search this year or this summer. I can’t get away anytime soon . @ least not for more than a day or two.

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          • WoodyBogg – Weirdly, I have been communicating for about the past week or so with Anne from Worn Wear, a subsidiary of Patagonia, because their crew was first here in Sun Valley and then headed to Lander, Wyoming for the International Climber’s Festival last weekend. They have been keeping up with me on Instagram with their posts, including this one. Another weird coincidence:…

            www.instagram.com/p/BWlZFfVhi7y/

            But I have never been to Sinks Canyon myself. I have only studied it as an area of interest, through pictures and videos. I would love to go there and Cody, Wyoming to the museum and the McCracken Research Library anytime we can gather a group to do so.

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          • Lisa! count me in for a Cody meet up. but i wont go anywhere else. theres no point in going anywhere else.

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        • On his youtube vlog. I think it is the “Timeline” one, but could be wrong. He makes the case that Lander is straight north of Santa Fe, and he could easily fly there on a tank of gas. Also, it is near Cody, Wyoming where, as you know, he is a trustee at the museum there.

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          • Mike -You say you spent the night next to the Animas River . Were you north of durango near cascade or silverton, The Hermosa mnts ? Do you live near there or???

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          • mike- i checked out Toby’s stuff. all i can say is been there done that…and more.

            also i forgot to mention if at “the spot” ask yourself this question too…”can anyone stumble on to the bronze box if it were here?”

            my answer to that question was always yes. especially at Sinks Canyon…too much human activity.

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          • Cody , Wyoming is really a neat place to visit and I’ve always wanted to wander around and see if I could find some cool places to go metal Detecting . That is one place I never had a chance to do that!! It is really rich with the culture of the west and the finds would be awesome!!

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          • That’s a great idea, WoodyBogg.

            Maybe we could meet up there in Cody one day and have a look-see. I have a couple of nice detectors…and soon will purchase a nice pulse detector out of Germany.

            I plan to use it to hunt for meteorites in the desert.

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          • Mike and Bob –

            Let me jump in here as I don’t believe Bob read my comment to Toby about Lander.

            Toby claims that Fenn mentions the Popo Agie river, but he specifically says “little popo agie”. That is a different river or branch and it does not go to the sinks.

            So Forrest said he spent the best 4 days of his life on the Little Popo Agie outside Lander searching for arrowheads etc.

            His plane could fly 6-7 hundred miles on a tank making Lander about as far as he could get heading north. That means he could not reach Cody, Yellowstone or anywhere in Montana on a tank by plane.

            This leads me to also consider, how far can he get on half a tank so that he can return easily? I suggest Pueblo Colorado where the military plane museum is.

            www.pwam.org/

            I’m not saying the treasure is there, just putting together ideas and sharing.

            Lugnutz

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          • Bob we don’t actually know how far he can fly in that plane. I am just basing my ideas on what Fenn said in the vid.

            Paraphrasing

            I can fly 6 or 7 hundred miles before I have to worry about that.

            The real question is:
            Does anyone think he would have refueled and flown further on the morning that he hid the TC?

            You can come up with shorter distances or longer.

            Lugnutz

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    • Bob- I know that your comment was targeted and addressed to Mike. No disrespect Mike but if I may I would like to respond. The spot or the there is and has been very Special to Forrest and I think you are correct when you say ” The End Of His Rainbow ” Both are about his Life, his death and Is Something Else. If you find that Spot or Place You will realize The Significance of the Spot Instantly.

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  4. into:
    Radio Show this morning………..

    audioboom.com/boos/3900899-millionaire-adventurer-forrest-fenn?t=0

    New quote by FF – IF YOU CAN FIND THE TREASURE CHEST – IT WON’T BE HARD TO GET IT.

    so this is interesting

    i dont think that most other searchers on other blogs are aware of this comment

    i have never seen anyone else reference this, but i coulda missed it

    i clicked on the link but ti said permission denied. i might to need to sign up there, i dont really wanna do that

    has anyone else here listened to it, and heard that this is the quote?

    “if you can find the treasure chest, it won’t be hard to get it”

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    • No digging, not under water, easy to get, a child could get it, etc. The hard part is the finding of it. There is something that helps us find it. I have a theory, and I am going back to my spot in about 3 weeks (haven’t been there in 2 years) to test my theory.

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  5. I found that polyurethane rock anagram (mentioned in the “Links” post) several years ago, and forgot that I created this post about it (man, I’m getting old).

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  6. E*:
    lia – Great post! I’ll take a DOUBLE Blue Ice Vodka Martini,…shaken,…not stirred,…with two Spanish Olives (the ones with those Pimientos in them). Cheers!

    media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/66/63/c26663892b15aa5f680b5bf70c4905bc.jpg

    🙂 love those olives!! E* – your grizz may be a bigger star, (prima Donna) but mine behaves better. Is your Grizz still on the loose in that creek along the Madison River harassing the tourists and fishermen? Kinda scary.

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    • wELL NOW, LET IN YOU ON A SECRET I MAY, DOES ANYONE EVER FOLLOW A BLAZE ? yOU WOULD IF YOU HAD A UV FLASHLIGHT. AT NIGHT, WISE LIKE A OWL. tHE BLAZE ?
      FLORESCENT ROCKS THAT GLOW UNDER A BLACK LIGHT, LIKELY SHAPED IN A DOUBLE RAINBOW……ONE UNDER THE ABOVE ONE, MAKING A BULLS EYE.
      WHERE DID FORREST CATCH THE 18 LB. RAINBOW?
      A) IN THE MOUTH
      AND YES, IN CRYPTIC TERMS, HE TOLD ME THE SECRET HE HASN’T TOLD ANYONE ELSE……OSO CLOSE.

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    • JG – Welcome! Thank you for joining us. IF I have time,…I get over to do my Read Only thing,…over on Dal’s blog. But it is always WAY too much fun here,…and on the very educational pages of Forrest’s blog,…so if I don’t make it over there,…oh, well! 🙂

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  7. ,
    Mike said:
    “There will be no paddle up your creek,
    Which anagrams perfectly to:
    Buried polyurethane rock, deep well”

    Memory lane –

    You guys remember when Chris, over on Dal’s thread, talked about slowing his car down, opening the door, and scooping up the chest-in-rock from the shoulder on the road.

    Only thing I didn’t get was, if Chris is on the left side of the car driving, and the shoulder is on the right, how would that work? A very long arm ? I mean, you were talking about using your hand to snatch it, right Chris?

    Chris, I know the whole thing was a joke. Sometimes, those days seem a long time ago, sometime like yesterday. Time is going by …

    astree

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    • i remember that. funny cuz i was just thinking about this comment a few days ago. not sure why it came back to my mind.

      my ideas of the where and the how were very different back then.

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        • .
          Oh my, that could spawn a discussion that could eclipse this hunt. Speaking of, in the beginning, it is said that there Waters existed, and they were separated.

          So anyway, last night, I took one of my daughter to see “Vampire Academy”. It was directed by Daniel and Mark Waters (born in 64, IW). Waters produced something else directly related to this hunt, and my understanding is that they will produce more in the future.

          astree

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  8. …ever drawing nigh; ( semicolon, so what follows is being referenced )
    There’ll be ( paddle is nixed ) just heavy loads and water high up YOUR creek.

    He states what there won’t be, then what there Just will be. And what there will be is related to The end…, the entire phrase before the semicolon.

    And ( apologies for my caps, but ) it’s already YOUR creek. If you don’t already have your creek by now, you need to retrace your steps and find it.

    Your house, your car, your kids, your creek; you already have them. That’s why they’re called yours.

    SYand42lbsHeavier,
    Halogetter

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  9. Bob:
    Inthechaseto- change of plans we all are coming to your house for super bowl party! Forrest didn’t want us tracking mud all over his expensive rugs after throwing the football around. Come on everyone! Last one there is a rotten egg! Ha ha ha!

    Bob –

    Ya all come on over – we will party hardy. Oops, I forgot the lemonade – Oh well – we can do without that.

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  10. There will be no paddle up your creek,

    Which anagrams perfectly to:

    Buried polyurethane rock, deep well

    muset:
    I don’t know if it helps, but here’s one that requires no modification to the original line:

    There’ll be no paddle up your creek = kneel by crude propeller, head out

    Very neat anagrams. Thanks both. I have also under consideration, that the chest may be masked by something like a large rock / boulder ( artificial would certainly work ). Although, it would have to be at a spot precisely defined by the clues, or marked in a way explained by the solve.

    Another approach on the line is to use only letters per Fibonacci (the “natural” sequence):

    THERE’LL BE NO PADDLE UP YOUR CREEK
    (1), 1, 2,3,5,8,13,21

    (T), THE, EBOA

    THEE BOAT (your creek), for example, or

    TEA BE HOT ( your effort will be worth the cold)

    and HOT is well-known in treasure hunting to mean “very close”.

    astree

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    • Astree –

      I’m wondering why you think – if it is an artificial rock – that it would have to be marked? Does the poem say it is marked? I am not being a smart A** here – I really want to know. The coordinates should led you to the exact spot – No?

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    • .
      inthechaseto,

      Your question is something I am pursuing, at the moment. I wouldn’t want to say where in the book the info could be. But, for example, previously mentioned that “3 stones” ( as a unit of weight) = 42 pounds. I am coming across some information that may indicate markings after identifying the blaze, but not certain about it yet.

      Hope that at least somewhat answers your question … the solve will either give an exact location (or close enough to easily identify), or additional markings once the blaze is realized.

      (If it is an artificial stone(s), and not in a precise location or arranged in a way to be easily recognized, would not be fair … I really don’t think Forrest would do that .. with what he has demonstrated with his work.)

      astree

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    • I like my Tea with Orange twists cooled down to about 13 degrees. It keeps my East Indian chakras aligned magnetically. That’s 13 degrees Celcius, of course, because Fahrenheit would be frozen solid! It translates to about 55 degrees Fahrenheit- which is neither here nor there. If my Tea is much warmer than that I tend to want to spit it out of my mouth.

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      • I love tea, always have. Not the herbal stuff, it needs to have tea leaves to be called tea. lol That other stuff should be called herbal infusions. 🙂

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          • Inthechaseto- change of plans we all are coming to your house for super bowl party! Forrest didn’t want us tracking mud all over his expensive rugs after throwing the football around. Come on everyone! Last one there is a rotten egg! Ha ha ha!

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          • InTheChase, there are some great discussions here to read back through, and the tea sounds good, but I’d rather have a martini with two olives, in one of those long glasses that L oo ks like a Y (wise) or like f the fox 0y0. What do you think, maybe twin trees? I’m still confused about sticking to an exact longetude or going with fox eyes right smack dab in the middle since f likes the middle. What do you think?

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        • LOL Into, that works too.

          Bob, Im the rotten egg! Went out searching, came home with cooties.LOL
          Will be keeping my cooties in check with zinc and green chile chicken soup. Have to love the power of food to heal. 🙂

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  11. I don’t know if it helps, but here’s one that requires no modification to the original line:

    There’ll be no paddle up your creek = kneel by crude propeller, head out

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  12. i think THE SPOT is in colorado

    possible hint references in surviving myself

    he mentions that scissortails are a different color, color of course is a big part of the name colorado and also color in spanish can mean ‘tail’

    colorado can simply mean colored or dyed

    dyeing something means you are changing it to a different color

    “I’d always take the tail feathers off before I got home so no one would know what it was”

    i think is a subtle hint that F is going to make a concerted effort not to draw attention to what state it really is

    this is all found on page 38, and Colorado was the 38th state admitted to the union

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    • expounding a bit on the removing the feathers because they were a different color

      i think the point is he is practicing deception, making his brother and sister think its something else when its actually a scissortail

      like making people think its NM, or WY, or MT because thats what he writes about, but its not

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    • Cold
      Doller
      Dollar
      Oreos
      Colorado
      You effort will be worth the cold
      Take ‘cold’ out of colorado and you have ORAO
      Change the A to E, just like Dollar was changed to Doller, and you have Oreo

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      • in the chapter First Grade, biting on a hard biscuit may be subtle reference to Oreos that were originally called Oreo Biscuits and made by Nat’l Biscuit Co, now shortened to Nabisco

        and in that paragraph it mentions Ora Mae. her first name Ora may go along with the idea of putting Cold with Oreo but using Ora instead of Ore

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      • My grandfather Carl (the “C” in my name) was a WWII pilot. Legends tell how the P-51C Mustang Red Tail could fly like an Eagle…although they were a lot smaller than other planes of that era. It spite of their “inferior” size they played a critical role because of their unique capabilities and speed. The B-29 Superfortress was nearly defenseless and on critical runs was typically accompanied by many P-51 Mustangs for protection. Because the Mustangs were so fast they were forced to fly large, swooping Lazy-S curves to stay near the B-29s. The two worked beautifully in tandem for the future benefit of all mankind.
        forum.armyairforces.com/What-is-a-lazy-quot-S-quot-curve-flown-by-P51-Escorts-m235771.aspx

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    • Chaser: 1. You’ve messed with the poem (contraction to non-contraction) and we’ve been advised not to do that.
      2. Fake rocks are made out of polyethylene, not polyurethane.

      Well yes, I did expand the contraction, a minor infraction. I do not doubt that some fake rocks are made of polyethylene, but if you go to www.fakerock.com you will discover that fake rocks are also made out of polyurethane. Besides, I said I am not that much into anagrams. It was just an interesting discovery.

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  13. Lots of false trails laid for us all to follow. That is why it took so long to write. 🙂 Im not ready to give up my spot yet. But have some interesting ideas I am testing out.
    Of course we all gravitate to trees because of the” wood” line. Similarly we all think of water because of all the references in the books.
    Someday we will all sit down and discuss our ideas but only after we are confident about ruling out our spot.

    I mean there are only so many generalizations you can make without going into detail. LOL

    Have a great day everyone! Its time to do the saturday shuffle! 🙂

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  14. IT is truly an enigma to uncover what Forrest Fenn thinks. For me, at the spot I chose, I try to place myself into the equation literally. I consider all the Ponderosas and the Aspens…and the Lilies. “Consider the lilies, how they grow: they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say unto you, Even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.” – Luke 12:27
    When I consider the Ponderosa and the Aspen, I Ponder my role as a Sapien and hope that others might see – when my turn on stage is through – that I was very considerate of others…which is the same as loving one another.

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  15. Very good work Mike –

    I do not believe it is in a well – but time will tell. There’s just no reason to have a well where I am going. It could mean a depression in the earth?

    If it is in a well – how do you propose to get it out?

    How did he put it down there – with ropes? Pretty hard to do. No, I don’t think he did that. He made it as easy on himself as he could.

    Course my hubby thinks he had help. I don’t. By the way, in the beginning of my search – my hubby was not interested – that has changed and now he is totally on board.

    I do think it is by a tree. I do not believe it is buried, but could be partially covered with dirt etc. It looks so real and I think that is why he was laughing. I think he hauled a big polyurethane rock in there and then put the treasure in it. This would protect it from the elements except fire.

    This is a perfect reason that he could not do this with people around and so went in there alone. It is not round – but flat on the bottom so it will not roll, and not anything like the size of the chest itself.

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    • I don’t think it’s down a well (like another searcher long ago), but if this anagram is not a coincidence, then it could be near a deep well– a water tower for example.

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      • 🙂 Mike,

        Wow, that’s a lot of work !
        Nice result, makes sense.

        polyurethane rock..buried well…deep
        polyurethane rock deep…well buried
        polyurethane well buried rock deep

        🙂 Golf

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        • A water tower? Well, well, well…
          That reminds me of one of my favorite poems. Below is a rough translation – made to rhyme in English – but conveys the basic meaning.

          “Uznik” (“The Prisoner”)
          From April 1820 until July 1823, Pushkin lived in quasi-exile as a foreign ministry employee in Kishinyov (Chisinau, today the capital of Moldova), where he was sent by administrative transfer after being interrogated about certain political poems.

          I sit behind bars in the dankest of blocks.
          A captive young eagle, the king of the hawks,
          My sorry companion here, lifting his wings,
          Pecks bloody food by the sill, pecks and flings,

          And looks out the window, away, away off,
          As if he, with me, fell to thinking one thought.
          He summons me now with his look and his cry,
          And wants to speak plainly, aloud: “Let us fly!

          “We’re free birds in truth; it is time, brother, time!
          To go, where o’er clouds, the high mountains are white,
          To go, where the sea realm’s as blue as the sky,
          To go, where the wind alone wanders… and I!”

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      • I had a blaze orange and white water tower in my first solve and search trip. It was a great learning event on how different things appear on google.

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  16. Mike, interesting anagram. Could be a connection there to his using Rockwell art in his illustrations?

    Chris, I think Tea with Olga holds some important clues also. I’m curious if you see the red, green, black as the clue to the trees or to something else?

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    • something else

      as with the poem there may be multiple layers of clues here, the one thing i found though i think is the major clue

      another small hint that i dont think is a major clue would be possibly drinking Red Tea is related to ‘TiRED’ n the poem which has Red and T in it, and it is the 133rd word, the map and dream page

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  17. in tea with olga is mentioned aspen and ponderosa. i believe these are the 2 trees found in the area of THE SPOT

    yes i said it, THE SPOT, the place where the treasure is at

    ya

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    • I agree, Chris. Ponderosa is also mentioned in “Mountain Man” and hinted at in a couple other chapters in TTOTC (which we have discussed). Forrest mentions a pine tree specifically several times.

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